Anyone a child that is incarcerated threatning suicide or trying to complete suicide should have a mental health assessment. And a plan for treatment put in place,
That may be true. But the real question is what does proper treatment look like? If a psychiatrist can’t get near her because she out of control. If you have to pin her down to accept medication and she can’t safely be around other people what is the answer. Ultimately you are left with the same result. Isolation and restraint of an individual that is a harm to herself and others. If you’re going to blame the correctional officers then you need to suggest a safe alternative. What do you do if reasoning and negotiation go out the window?
Gavin Cole I agree with both of you. There was definitely a need for mental health and behavioral issues but she was out of control. These correctional officers are not to blame really. They only do what they've been taught to do. What they are equipped to handle. If her own mother and father couldn't handle her or anyone else then how can we place blame on the officers? The girl was strangling herself repeatedly! Constantly! If my child was doing that, I'd get them some mental help and I'd tie them down too in a heartbeat if it persisted. She had some emotional issues for sure. Something does need to change though. I just don't know what and obviously others don't know either or I'd say they would be doing that instead. However, again, the officers aren't to blame. Some correctional officers are jerks but in this situation, what else could they have personally done for this particular girls who was out of control? Maybe they could've been kinder? I don't know. I just know this story saddens me but we have to place blame where it goes and that isn't on people who are just doing their jobs.
@@gavincole9733 real treatment looks like her not being in the prison system to start with. She needed inpatient mental health and psychiatric care, and they would know how to administer that!
@@gavincole9733 appears to me that she never had a chance to leave isolation that started the day she arrived. There wasn't psychiatric treatment until long after she had been in isolation. I think the isolation alone would give the most stable adult mental health problems. She was a teen with 2 minor offenses when incarcerated. I can't see how this inhumane treatment was even allowed in today's society. It's barbaric!!! The system escalated the problems and created her downward spiral. And to just stand there while she died!!! No one deserves to be treated like this. So unreal and mindboggling that this is truly happening and she wasn't the only one receiving this treatment. And it sounded like it was still being used. If you think being locked down at home during the current covid-19 crisis was hard, it's heaven compared to the treatment of a teenage child who didn't even live long enough for her brain to finish developing. You know, the frontal cortex that allows us to make rational decisions, it can take until 25 years of age to be fully functional, true for every human.
seeing him wear that outfit made me think he does more than just warden prisons. I was thinking he was probably abusing men who have mental issues if you catch my meaning.
Obviously, she was mentally ill. The whole system needs to be overhauled. This is not the way to treat the mentally ill. Some of these tactics resemble Mediaeval torture.
I think she became mentally ill BECAUSE of these horrible people. She threw a fkn apple and this is her punishment. That’s crazy to me. Being driven insane and suicidal until ultimately death. What is wrong with these people “nobody knows what’s wrong with her” She was being abused!
Her parents never disciplined her, they let her get to an immense size and she was a danger to society. Her parents failed her by not raising her correctly, they only thing mentioned here was she was learning disabled. I wouldn’t want this woman walking the streets, she was out of control and HUGE! That’s a good point you make, everyone failed her.
@@misanthropic985 You're pretty judgy. She was a child with mental health problems. WTF does her weight have to do with anything? And you don't know anything about her parents. She was failed by the system.
@@misanthropic985 what the heck has her weight got to do with it 😡 what a disgusting thing to say! You think she's HUGE, I would hate for you to see myself then. Go away, if you're going to make comments like that
@@misanthropic985 You are part of the problem! This child wasn't given the opportunity to interact with normal human contact for years. That would turn most feral; compound it that she did have mental illness. I agree that everyone failed her from the juvenile system all the way through the corrections system! Animals get treated more humanely. There should've been heads role from the very top down! This was criminal!!!
..... what type of 21st century system is this? If that had taken place at home it would have been a case of “ child abuse”.... this has shocked the living daylights out of me. 3 burley intimidating men entering a cell placing their hands around a teenagers neck pushed up against a wall with the weight of one man leaning on you let alone two or three is UNacceptable. You don’t TORMENT the mentally tormented.... you TREAT THEM!😡😡 FIX the friggin system..... IT IS BROKEN!. Gobsmacked to know Ashleigh had not been given a mental health assessment to begin with ......... and wtf was that warden thinking sending her to an adult prison facility??
@Carol Watkins .... as a child I thought what a wonderful world we live ... and in my childhood years of wonderful, I grew up to discover as an adult .... that the ‘ wonderful’ I knew as a child, wasn’t that wonderful at all. On a whole I do not like the human race .... we are unforgiving toward our brothers and sisters, there will never be ‘ world peace ‘.... sad.
Carol Watkins .... SOME are only bought to justice that work in facilities like this and abuse their power.....many get away with such behaviour and it physically sickens me . This behaviour went on a hundred years or so ago...... and evidently still goes on...we have learned nothing!
@Carol Watkins ... Agree A compassionate heart would not allow any of what these men did to and did not do for this girl. There should have been a public outcry and investigation into the treatment and death of this girl long before this footage was uploaded. I’m disgusted in the behaviour displayed by these cowards. Not one man put their job on the line to render assistant to a child’s life that was slowly slipping away in front of them .... gutless somewhat? That alone speaks volumes as to what ‘ type’ of men we can see in facilities such as this ... nothing but sadists. This facility should be completely ‘RESTAFFED’ imo. blessings ✨
Omg..put any sane person in one of those rooms for 23 hrs a day with no where to sit or sleep and no one to talk to and nothing to do and watch them go crazy..let alone someone who has issues. at least she's not suffering now.
Hmmmm.. well she was not complying when they asked her to. what should they do? I work in the mental health field and some people are dangerous to themselves or others. Unless you're in the situation, you can't comment.
This kid arrived to her adoptive parents at 5 days old. Mental health issues are impacted by social support available. Everyone who encountered that infant up until she was taken away (in her teens) for anti social/hostile/degenerate, criminal behavior should be scrutinized and held just as accountable as the prison system that was forced to deal with the mess that kid was when she entered their system. These problems for significant and severe way before she ended up being a ward of the government the lack of mental health the lack of research as to why she was so psychotic (pretty obvious that there is a huge chance that she was abused by one or multiple people for an extended period of time). I don't know how I always end up seeing videos of adoptive kids who are failed, tortured, abused but I seriously have a fear of giving up a child for adoption. Aborting first term would probably be less painful than what this girl went through before she finally ended her life.
Eugene Jackson Jr some people just have chemical imbalances that they’re born with that cannot be corrected. It was not necessarily someone in her life.
WTF am I watching. besides torture. hog tied - lay in her own waste, tasered, 4 walls to stare at.. only part way in. don't care what's wrong with her. her treatment is inhumane. I'm shocked
Cara Chantler you're SHOCKED??? This is NOT exactly an uncommon situation in these so called CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES! IT ISNT EVEN AN UNCOMMON SITUATION IN YOUR LOCAL TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT JAIL CELL! WAKE UP!
As her dad says she was to have a psych assessment and that never happened. I think a guard should see how long they can last in a cell with nothing and no social interaction except with the guards hands on all the time.
There was a TV show in the UK a couple of years ago, a psychological experiment on solitary confinement. These people had a few things with them in their 'pod' to keep them occupied, and STILL quickly started to display concerning declining mental health signs. They knew they were safe and could quit at any time and it was still overwhelming for them. I feel very sorry for this young girl, she needed mental health support and rehabilitation, not solitary confinement for all those years. www.thesun.co.uk/living/4341425/tv-experiment-solitary-confinement-five-days/
I don't understand how it's still used, it's proven torture and they think mentally ill people are going to get better and behave after that, riduculous.
Because Ashley was so violent and assaultive that she added that much time to her sentence. If she’d not been so violent she would have gotten out on time.
@@k0ufaR you call her pure evil...wow...did you read your link? A mentally ill child is tortured by the state for years and manages to kill herself while being closely watched.....and you say she is oure evil. Putting a child in solitary for months is pure evil. Tasering, pepper spraying and tying up ill kids is pure evil. YOU are pure evil...
@@k0ufaR How is she pure evil, did you see what those guerrillas/guards did to her?! I sure do hope you come back to revisit this story 10 years from now, maybe you will have matured enough to have formed your own opinions! It's not cool to be a follower, especially when you are following idiots. Jus sayen. ✌😊
@Jennifer 6strings that only started AFTER she was sent to juvie and was placed in solitary. Before then what was the worst thing she did? oh right, throw CRABAPPLES at someone. hardly "hurting"
@@horsluva0758 -'WHAT mental condition. NO MENTAL CONDITION WAS MENTIONED because she didn't have one. Jessi - She had her parents, teachers, and schoolfriends just like 99.99999% of all other children.
@@joeya6795 You're right. They don't belong in society. They belong in a controlled, calm environment with all the help they need so that they can reform themselves and eventually be ready to engage with society as a whole. Not this kind of thing, Joey. Nobody benefits from something like this.
When did they mention her problems? Cuz u heard even her own dad say she was just a trouble maker who did whatever she wanted, I heard no evidence her being mentally ill
I agree with you 100% I currently work with troubled teenagers girls in a rehab center and any of these young girls could be Ashley Smith it is very concerning
Don’t feel Ill Corrine. Chuck some uniform on and go in there and hug some of the lovely unicorn fairy’s in there. Nup just stay in your PJs in your comfy bed and comment about those evil prison guards that work with the lovely fairy’s day in day out.
Is it just me or did anyone else notice that they never said a word about her history, all they said is about puberty she started rebelling, I wonder if she was ever disciplined, if not then that explains a lot. If you never hear anyone tell you no until for 13 or 14, yeah you're going to have major issues, which is what I think has happened here.
Yep! That’s what I keep commenting. Her own father literally said she was a brat who wanted t get her own way and if she didn’t, she lashed out. She was an over grown brat who never learned and got herself killed. The other cell mate even said she loved to mess with the guards and it was entertaining to her to make them angry. Sounds to me like a dumb kid thought she was invincible and got killed.
Ashley was definitely mentally ill and was behaving like a child, meaning a very young child. She didn’t get a diagnosis which is insane. She should never have been in a solitary confinement like a violent prison inmate. I can’t believe he said ( don’t do anything unless she isn’t breathing ) and the guards actually listen to this murderer yeah sure let’s just wait until she’s dead and make a move. Nobody had a moral compass or a sense of the wrong thing kinda voice kicking in. And The parents should have been more involved. They saw the cuts and that she didn’t see anyone to figure out the solution and that solution was definitely not being strapped in a body bag in prison in solitary.
Problem with this particular documentary was the reporter. She was biased at the start. At the end, repeating the guards didn’t act when she killed herself... the girl was playing that game of strangling herself hundred of times. How come the parents didn’t act during all those years ?
I would be biased too she already got the story so ye she was on Ashley's side biased lmao not. What a crock she never got and treatment for her mental health. Your dam comment is stupid sorry
Exactly. Teenagers learn a lot from those defiant years. Its a right of passage in growing up. All 3 of my teenagers are very selfish humans. I know they will grow out of it! They are just growing.
That's heartbreaking to see a young girl go through so much suffering and all because she was denied the legal right for proper psychological help. The laws need to be changed and strict penalties need to be put in place for those who unlawfully engage this kind of treatment towards ppl with psych issues. It's disturbing and uncalled for.
Her mom did not advocate for her daughter at all! Just accepted the deplorable treatment Ashley was getting! No way, no freaking way would I let my child be treated like this and she's no criminal. I would be doing everything in my power to get her the treatment she needed and deserved. But first I would have taken my child out of these centers that clearly were making her condition worse. Poor child😟
I agree that the Mum did not appear to be trying to help her daughter. After she saw the scars on her arms and realised how much weight she has lost, why did she not demand an investigation?? You cant just take your child out of prison but you can certainly kick up a stink if they arent being taken care of adequately.
Jenna Fine Watch me. If that was one of my kids, I'd play the system with such innocence and relentless effectiveness that after I won their freedom, you'd never even suspect me as the hand behind the cold and all consuming vengance that ensued.
Ashley was screaming out for help, instead of someone taking time to listen to Ashley, she entered into a nightmare that got worse every single day. Ashley was let down by those who should have kept Ashley safe. RIP.
It was a simply shocking video. So much wrong with Canadian 'health care'! Heartbreaking story of how Ashley was failed and abused by the very people who should have helped her.
@@Africangirl55 really? you think people never tried to help her? she was obviously a lost cause.. incurable. If you have a problem with the Canadian Health/Mental Care then maybe you should either get a degree or at least volunteer in the industry. Most of the Mental Health Nurses are there to actually help plus their pay-cheques are good too...
@@duMaurier15 I am a registered professional nurse in another country and spent 10 years at a mental health facility. I know we failed many patients altho some were helped.
@@Africangirl55 you failed because you and your staff neglected them or because they refused help, meds, counselling, or change their lifestyle? My opinion and yes it is a harsh opinion but if someone refuses help and continues to act and be a degenerate.. what more can society do for them? If they want to die let them.. some people just can't move on. Miss Smith appears to be one of those disrespectful, selfish, narcissistic person. I am sure medical and security staff treated her with respect the first years they had to deal with her. Thank you for your service btw.
Put a sane person in an empty room for 23 hours without human connection.. I would love to see how the PERSON WHO GAVE THE ORDER stay inside for 60 days... OMGGG!
Then she should have behaved herself...the guards need to keep themselves safe too ...the friend admitted she did it out of amusement and to annoy the guards ..she’s out of control and she assaulted staff she deserved what she got ...I was a difficult child and teenager but I knew right from wrong and so does she she knows what she’s doing would hurt people..she’s no victim
callie. .... that's easy to say when you don't have or don't understand mental illness. I am not even going to explain it because this video covered it all but yes people like you and I would have just done as we were told but this girl didn't think like you and I because she had a mental illness. I seriously hope that you go away from here and actually learn something about mental disorders (I know it's hard to understand them especially as it's not something you can see but I assure you they are very very real) and them hopefully you'll have some compassion for people such as this girl.
+solidcatink torture is the exact word that came to my mind too. It is hard to believe this is happening in a youth facility in the developed world. How anyone could expect her to improve her behaviours when she was continously treated as if she was subhuman mystifies me. I realise that dealing with people with complex issues is extremly difficult but surely we can do better than this.
Seriously this was so disturbing. And she was wrapped for suicidal attempts, not for "not following the rules", if this is how you treat a suicidal person in a juvenile facility it IS torture. The helmet and everything was so incredibly excessive. I understand restraints but to let her sit in her own urine in a lit cell is awful.
I can't believe they never bothered to have a psychologist/psychiatrist come see her to try to find out what could be going on with this young lady. She needed someone to help her & they wound up failing Ashley on multiple levels. This should have never happened. RIP Ashley Smith.
the doctors would not have been any help. I was a severely angry youth and there was nothing that could have been done at that time to stop my behaviour
This treatment is inhumane. She is a child and her metal capacity is child-like. If parents treated their children like this it would be classed as abuse. If the approach isn't working try something else and get advice. Clearly the physical response to her behavior was only escalating the situation.
They keep talking about efforts to "help" her, when every step from beginning to end had probably made her infinitely worse. Throwing a fourteen-year-old girl in segregation. I was frightened and isolated enough in a hospital eating disorder unit at 16, but she was "troubled" in a way that marked her for the kind of treatment you'd expect to be used on grown men. What a complete travesty.
penniesfromheavon I agree with you. if i do the same thing to my son, I am arrested. Canada should review the system, otherwise close those useless facilities. it must be difficult to deal with someone like her but they should know about boundaries.
This looks to be a young girl with behavioral problems quickly be turned into mental health problems by a broken criminal justice system and the correctional facilities. "RIP Ashley, your suffering is over" 👼❤ 🕊
@ Lynnsalways smilen ... she has conduct disorder which which is a mental disorder. It is a very serious condition where criminality is involved. She probably had oppositional Defiant disorder and developed into conduct disorder as she did not get treatment
They were told not to go in there unless she wasn't breathing. If someone's face is turning purple, shouldn't you automatically assume they're not breathing??
My nephew died in a jail cell alone he was only 18 years old. He's how it happened. His family grew concerned about him. He suffers from mental illness his mom's side of the family have alot of the family members that suffer from this illness. So his dad and his sister took him to the hospital get him evaluated to get him into the mental hospital. So the whole day was for them to tell the family they would need them to take him to the crisis response center to get him help. Well when they took him it's getting harder into the day. They started to ask questions. Well they told them the truth that he did have a warrant for traffic violations. So they called for the cops to take him to jail. To the crisis response center it was easier then doing there job to get him into a mental hospital. Well there's video that shows how they treated my nephew. They stripped him naked and then put the suicide best thing on him. Then they threw him into a padded sell for suicide watch. Well after only 8 days they found him dead. But they thought he had finally went to sleep becouse in those 8 days he didn't eat or drink any thing or sleep in the whole 8 days ge was there. When he was going though the manic episodes. He couldn't do anything for himself whats so ever. But they found him in his own urine and crap on him. They knew he was mentally ill and they didn't help him in anyway. They basically killed him. When they did the autopsy they found out he had lost 40 pound becouse they weighted him when he was put into jail. The messed up part no one got in trouble for his death. Like I said you can look up this case. My nephew came is Marc Anthony Moreno this happened on March 11, 2016 im Washington state in Benton county. This has news videos and more details about everything. But if you or I would had left him to die, we would be charged for murder and in Marc case no one has been held accountable for his death. I'm still so angry over his death. I feel everyone that was involved with running the jail That was supposed to be watching my nephew suffer should have to pay for his. And they should be put in jail for what they've done to my nephew. I feel so sad that this young girl went though the horrific situation. Jails need to change how there able to treat people like animals and get away with how cruel they treat inmates. Yes they have done something to be put in jail but that shouldn't give the guards the right to treat them like animals in the pound. They are humans and animals shouldn't be treated cruel either. Just wanted to make that clear to. RIP this young girl and Marc. They suffered horrible deaths but now they are free to fly and be happy in a better place. God bless everyone.
I think we're all troubled by the treatment of this girl, but what exactly do you do if you're law enforcement? It's fine for people to get mad about this, but I'd like to see them try to care for this young lady.
Rob Hildebrand Law enforcement should have not shuffled her around every 90 days and Law Enforcement could have also made sure she was seen by a Dr regularly maybe if they had of and she could have been put on proper meds that could have helped her with her disorders and she wouldn't be dead
Poor, poor criminals...I HAVE NO COMPASSION!!! All inmates ate given written: rules, regulations, list of violations/offences and action/charges taken for violations, schedules, any forms needed to submit, instructions, etc.- It is the size of a dictionary! There is STRICT protocol for ANY use of force. I.R.s must be completed and entries are made in shift logs. Her in-house records transferred with her. To many of my family in gray have been mutilated and/or died at the hands of these monsters!!!Civilians could not stomach working a shift in an actual corrections facility!
Rob Hildebrand I am very pro-LEO! Worked for a PD and family members are officers. Ashley Smith was not where she needed to be. She needed a mental rehab facility.
She is not in denial but if you do not know what to do or how to go about it then what do you do? These detention and prison personnel’s were and are evil. This is and was physical abuse on ALL levels. Where is the empathy, the care; they did not on occasions give her tissue or feminine towels. Who does that where was the basic - I am sure that Canada is signed up the UN CONVENTION “”The Rights of A Child” This young girl did not even experience have a glimpse of it. Be very care what you say about other people because the same thing might visit you!
No her daughter was not an angel but she was a child who had mental health issues and was guilty of throwing crab apples. She received a sentence that our most violent offenders in Canada don't receive!
@@skaarup33 she did file an 11 million dollar lawsuit... they talk a lot about human contact... Ashley hated her mother. She was placed in 3 different foster care homes.... did the mother visit her? Write to her? Try and support her? No. That's reality.
@@patrynunes some people should never have been parents. I would or could never treat my daughter that way. My daughter will always be nr. 1 in my life.
This is so sad. There's a part of me that wants to say that this girl asked for her life to be so hard but then there's another part that says that she shouldn't have died, that the guards were careless. It was very sad to see her father at her grave.
I do think antagonize the guards because you're bored does mean a person bares some responsibility. I mean, she was purposely acting like she was going to hang herself many times. In some ways she put herself in these situations. Also, her parents weren't concerned that a one month sentence turned into over 3 years???
They were concerned parents.. she never got a full assessment for mental health or diagnosis. Regardless of her behaviors she has rights and those facilities had a responsibility for her health and life.. They failed her and trapped her in a cell. Your comment is stupid.
It's aggravating on both sides. Guards have to deal with this kid doing stupid stuff to herself, on purpose, and she has to deal with the mistreatment from them. It's an endless cycle that neither side wanted to quit. Pitiful no one was brave enough to stop before Ashley stopped it permanently. P.S. This isn't a stupid comment.
Miss.Phoenixx really, smh. Wow wtf. This is insane. This was in Canada. Where did you see her suicide tape. That shouldn't be out. This is so sad. She was just a child.
Watching this has me overwhelmed as if I’m the one being taped 😑 why didn’t someone push to have her evaluated she’s clearly having some deeper issues.
I thought my life was cursed.. This poor young lady should have never been abused like that. I say the system failed and should be held accountable for murder.... This is 💯 evil.
Franaflyby I thought my life was bad too. I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, depression, & intermittent explosive disorder but I was diagnosed with autism as a child (I’m 22 now)
Calling this a failure of the system is unfair. They tried numerous multiple things for years and years with this girl. Had she been medicated here'd he people criticizing that. She obviously was seriously disturbed. I feel for her parents and they seemed to try their best but this is not anyone failing her.
She was treated worst then an animal.There should have placed her in a mental health hospital,seems to me as time went on her mental state was something they shrugged off, she was so young 3 formative years as a teenager spent in a cage. only to end in her death,those who were fired should have been arrested for man slaughter, they are all responsible for her death. oh and love the question your job or her life? There was a hesitation! wHO CARES a job is replaceable a life is not. This is the most disgusting display of control by the legal system i have seen. A pychiatric hospital could have delt with these issues medicine therapy people showing her care a soft bed clean clothes healthy food so much could have been done for her.
totally 100% agree. though ultimately she in the system, she was a minor child which made her more visable & the parents raising flag, blowing whistle,calling every news network around i Truly believe this child be alive today. her mother came across as very detached and cold as she only blames others for the same though she did. nothing but let her die. God help
+Molly B Yes, glad you noticed that about the mother. I was trying hard not to judge her harshly but i know if it were one of my kids i would by hysterical and beyond irrate. No matter how old your kids get they are still your child and a prison lock down is the last thing you would ever want to see your kids in. I believe the mother could have done much more.
+Gina Di Camillo I was a child out of control, my mother put me in an awful place like this but now as an adult I don't blame her,there was nothing else she could have done after she tried all the doctors, therapy and medications. At 12 years old I had such anger issues I was a threat to seriously harm anyone around me. I'm sure it was heartbreaking for the mother but I'm sure there were no other options
Well good to know your ok now. Her mom didnot put her there it was jail for a minor crime but because of her issues she remained there for years. Somebody should have had her on medication and in a pych hospital. No jail is equipped to handle the mental problems she had. Maybe the mother did her best who knows, i am thinking that she could have tried harder though and seemed a bit cold and detached.
the comments here are as cold as the guards in this film. the fact that a young girl was left to die alone on the floor of a cold cell, being "bad" for human contact! come on commenters, this person just needed to be listened to by a loving person. God will be waiting for all those involved. In fact, God will be seeing all of us. Love each other!
What was the plan for her release? No training, no counselling, no exercise, just left to self harm and play with her floor tiles or faeces ? This is shameful.
There are a lot of people that think Canada gets "free health care." This is what "free" gets you. Also, before anyone tries to comment about not knowing, I'm from Canada myself and it's absolutely terrible for health care/mental health where I'm from. I feel absolutely sorry for what this family as well as what Ashley had to go through, this is so heatbreaking.
I would disagree. The care for most physical stuff is good. The mental health is where we have a habit of falling totally flat. And unlike the US, we don't have to choose between health care and rent/food.
@Vixen Feline I never said I agreed with their methods, obviously there are more effective ways but you also have to ask yourself what was different between her an some of the other girls there. the parents themselves said she was out of control, it's not just throwing the apple thing at the mail person. Her behavior itself on some of the tapes were evidences that something was wrong with her. My statement about mixed feelings is not saying either was right just that there's a reason she was there
She needed a comprehensive physical evaluation: - genetic testing: shows nutritional weak areas where the body needs supportive supplementation (ie: B vitamins and magnesium for the brain) - organic acids testing: to assess toxicities due to heavy metals, molds, candida (all these can cause inflammation in the brain, which obviously won't allow it to function optimally) - detailed blood testing (assessing nutritional aspects - deficiencies and imbalances) After nutritional/hormonal/neurotransmitter testing helps achieve homeostasis within the body, only then can a patient begin to participate fully in counseling. It doesn't mean you can begin counseling sooner (with more mundain strategies), but too much change at once is indeed stressful, which can create/add to brain inflammation. Anyway. Just pointing out that there **are** strategies to help someone, but not all practitioners are trained in these (functional medicine) strategies.
I bet things have not changed and KIDS are still being treated like this. I can totally understand why she acted the way she did. That was the only stimulus she really had. She needed help not disaplian
im in uk. i was shocked that modern Canadian did this to inmates. she shouldn't be an inmate, she shoud be treated as a patian at that time. she was seeking an attention to be treared nicely, not wrongly. they just tried to correct her behaviour with handcuff, a mask, etc like an animal. if someone does the samethimg to an animal would be arrested. i think they knew about it and wouldn't do the same thing to their own dog!! they made her behaviours difficult more and more. she needed a homey place and take some pycotherapies. what she got? just humiliations. she was demonstrating to resist to them who was so useless to help them.
A sex assaulter can get 2 years to life and throwing crabapples at a mailman gets 4 years?? so a sex assaulter (which is way more illicit than a crabapple thrower) can get a lesser sentence... well done government WELL DONE!! :)
Marina M behaving stupidly? she attempted suicide many times... guards got used to it and started ignoring it. are you educated in this? yeah, probably not. you cannot ignore suicide attempts. yes, she would act out, throw tantrums... but can you imagine being by yourself 23 hours a day? yeah, that's what I thought. most, and I mean MOST people go crazy. silence is the loudest sound. learn a thing or two, moron.
she was treated worse than a dog. I can't believe she lasted that long. And what about her mother? What did she do to intervene---did she visit every day and be defiant in defense of her daughter. That girl fought a lonely battle, very disturbing
Marina M ...IF --God FORBID -- u are ever put in an absolutely inhumane situation such as the one Ashley was continuously subjected to (because of ignorance, coupled with incredible apathy even from her own mother), then maybe, just ...MAYBE...u might understand enough to judge whether Ashley's behaviour was "stupid" or she was merely crying out for HELP!
Me too. & No. that's not it LOL.... and you're in for a surprise. Because I've been dead 💀 and came back. Actually dead 💀 Witnessed by others. Honey we do go on, and get ready to trip balls.
I think it was a situation that was not dealt with before and the system didnt know what to do with her or how to handle someone like this. Go in and be attacked. Dont go in and risk her death. If you blame the person who gave the order not to go in unless she stops breathing you have to ask about the problems it would have caused them with the amount of trouble they received for having too many discipline orders. At the end of the day it was Ashley that tied the knot around her own neck not anyone else. They had tried a lot of things to deal with her and would have stopped many many suicide attempts by her. This one they didnt. Perhaps she should have been in a mental health setting but that not the prisons fault. They were handed her and had to deal with her in the prison setting that they had.
You're missing the point. No one is blaming the institution for not being able to "fix" or handle her. Even professional mental health experts can't help someone who refuses to be helped but Ashley was NEVER GIVEN THE OPPOURTUNITY TO GET ADEQUATE HELP. This wasn't a case of a few management staff mistakes or lack of ability of staff. All they had to do was make sure she was getting help - keeping up with psychologist, making sure she was being throughly assessed, creating management plan based off assessment and so on.. How did they allow a psychologist to not asses her let alone not diagnose her? Instead they did the bare minimum by providing a psychologist see her everyday and left it at that. Institutional management teams are not stupid, they will create a thorough intensive plan when it comes to behavioural management, release concerns, and risk assessment yet couldn't collaborate with mental health workers to create an action plan. "They had tried a lot of things to deal with her " .. Did we watch the same video? No they didn't try "lots of things" they used one strategy in forms of different tactics: the rack, segregation, taser, pepper spray and finally neglect (once they noticed their use of force statistic report was higher than they wanted exposed to the public). AND did you not see how they manipulated policies to their advantage - prolonging mandatory assessment by shipping her off to different institutional SEG in which the 60 days of confinement was renewed? Did you see all of that? Did you see the shift in the behaviour of CSC and Ministry after she died ? If CSC or experts THEY hire are not capable of handling her why does the they pride themselves in providing mental health care to the public but once she died it's all " no comment" and pointing fingers elsewhere. LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY= CONFIDENCE OF CSC TO CREATE A BREEDING GROUND FOR CORRUPT STAFF MEMBER AND HIGHER- UPS...... Im sorry for the rant but you should be more sorry for your ignorance.
Agreed. Some people have suggested Ashley was Mentally Ill (Psychiatrically Ill) but the problems with Ashley started at home long before detention for throwing apples at the Postman. The Focus of this investigation should have been concentrated upon her environment at home, when she began to change her moods and her, "Cry for Help" became apparent. When a child changes her behavious suddenly at home, the authorities start their investigatoions with those with whom she is living. I am not making accusations but I would like "The Fith Estate" to explain which adults were investigated for suspected abuse of Ashley, long before she became a deliquent, by throwing the apples at the Postman.. I understand her father pays a visit to Ashley's graveside every day... Ummmmm, strange behaviour of a father wracked with guilt or simply a caring father? Maybe we'll never know. RIP Ashley
I think the parent's played a big part at end by leaving her there. She had no hope. Teen's are teen's. But for both of your parent's to keep locking you up?
For those people blaming the guards, they did not necessarily have training to deal with the type of person she was. They are doing the procedures they are trained to perform
Tragic circumstances around Ashley Smith's life and death. I know that the media and Ms. Ashley's mother portrayed prison staff as heartless. But, this individual was extremely violent with total diregard for herself and others. As quoted from Wikipedia "Behaviour that Smith exhibited included many attempts at choking herself into unconsciousness; guards responding were often attacked by Smith, sometimes with weapons she had manufactured and concealed.[2]" She was often kept in solitary confinement because of her behaviour. Why should prison staff risk repeated injury or even death because of this dangerous narcissistic person? If someone responds that it is part of their job- no, it's not! Nobody should be assaulted, injured or abused in their job. As for a facility that could treat Ms. Smith she was moved to more than 10 facilities with no change in her behaviour. Prolonged isolation and physical and chemical restraint seem to be the only tools at facility staff's disposal. I know many will cry out that this was a violation of her human rights while little regard is paid to the rights of numerous employees injured while caring for this person and possibly suffering PTSD. I would suggest that many of those wringing their hands over this tragedy seek employment as guards who have daily contact with such clients as Ms. Smith. Hopefully, they will have more enlightened ideas on how to handle them.
I feel the same. I posted this above because this one just didn't seem right after watching the girl she met to begin with and then after all of her recorded incidents: As I watched this I wondered why she kept getting items to strangle herself. I understand it's not right to leave a person unclothed - I certainly wouldn't want that either but there's no way I would want to risk this. Also, the other girl in the beginning stated that Ashley like to push their buttons... I'm in no way saying that anyone should lose their life at 19 this way, but I feel that if it was a true mental issue someone should have pushed A LOT harder. There are plenty of punk kids just pushing their luck. Please know I'm not saying that was what she was doing! But there are plenty of them out there
Liberal hand-wringing glosses over or avoids a few things. The mad or bad dichotomy is not approached. This young woman saw a psychologist every day. That does not strike me as neglecting her mental health. Perhaps I missed it, but we did not hear anything from the mental health professional that was seeing her. She was also given an advocate, who may have recommended psychiatric intervention, but we only have her word for it and she was not qualified to make a recommendation. It does establish, however, that Ashley had at least two people a day who were focused on her support. She did not have to choke herself to get human company. This young woman also behaves in a way consistent with reason -self-interested reason- she wants attention, so she does whatever is necessary to get it. I understand that someone with a real mental health issue would be far more erratic, delusional and oblivious to self-interest. I see nothing here that even hints at that. Ashley simply behaves badly. When the authorities try to be humane, like issuing her with a television set, she tears it apart and uses the shards of glass to attack the guards. Another point is that this woman came from an articulate middle - class family. This would have equipped her with the skills necessary to comply with the system and win her release. The amount of man-power her behaviour was eating up, plus the danger to the guards, must have meant they would have been pleased to see her leave. She didn't get out simply because her behaviour was so consistently violent, arrogant and disorderly in the extreme. We do not want to consider the possibility of "bad" so titles are made up to try to avoid the philosophical landslide that such a word would cause. Someone behaving now "suffers" from Serial Killer Compulsion Disorder or Child Rape Ideation Syndrome. Forgive what may appear flippant. I do not for a minute disregard the serious nature of the above. My invention serves only to illustrate the point: these violent, disorderly people do not "suffer" from an illness, which is why they cannot be treated. They cause suffering to other people by the free expression of their deviance. I must finally express my sympathy with the prison guards struggling to deal with such an obnoxious and aggressive person. At this point in history we do not understand the mechanism in the human constitution that causes such behaviour, but we do ourselves no favours by excessive sympathy for that which is bad and making those struggling to deal with it -or even the victims of it- the ones where we center all responsibility.
Isolation has been proven to worsen or cause mental health issues. Take a look at kids in China and Romania who have been left in orphanages. They were born healthy children and end up with mental disabilities or mental illness. So keeping this girl in isolation for over three years obviously was making her worse. She needed help. Not to be left in a cell everyday with only negative interaction from the guards
They made her sicker and sicker and now she is dead. Those in need of help the most are left to the wolves, not the guards and the wardens. She was a child having her character and brain shaped by confinement and cruelty, no wonder she just did whatever she could for attention, that's the closest thing to love that she knew. Poor Ashley, they wrote on your blank slate and they wrote with hate. Hope you are at peace now and hope your story will help others in a similiar position.
This is a tricky one. You want them rehabilitated without making them feel like they are being rewarded. Also, you want them punished to give them a clear message without overdoing it. I think they were just fed up and, as it is always the case, resources/staff numbers were limited and a lot was invested in her on a daily basis. So they did what they did maybe? The guards were scapegoats though. Go in, you are fired. Do not go in you are fired. And where she faked it so many times and apparently tried to attack them, no one believed her any more. Tragic.
There was no punishment needed in her case, she was a struggling child with mental health issues who was guilty of throwing crabapples. What she needed was inpatient mental health support.
It doesn't work that way, but Ashley was in prison much longer than her sentence! How did those guards justify such violent behaviour towards a girl? How could they still sleep at night? How could the person who ordered the guards to not do anything anymore, no matter what she did, still sleep? That hasn't happened even to the worst criminal.
This case is a failure of the Canadian system. My condolences to a fellow young woman. Officers need training in phsycology and compassion. There are too many abuse incidents that correlate with lack of understanding/ignorance on the part of police and correctional officers. Militirized training only provides a narrow set of abilities which is actually kill someone. A little bit shocking we still havent evolved to a modern and humain way of treating mental illness. This case sadens me and it is a reminder that our country is only as good as it treats it's sick or disabled people and Canada clearly has a way to go. Thank you CBC these stories inspire me to fight for our human rights and to demand the quality of care Canada advertises to make sure it fabricates in reality.
A mother..... a mother who says she lost track of where her daughter was? I’m honestly not trying to judge but did the mom really deeply care as much as she said she did?
This is totally absurd when it boils down to the fact that this girl died over CRAB APPLES!!! I ask you, which was worse? A postman getting hit with crab apples ( not condoning this), or what was done to Ashley?
juliagulia....This poor girl was subjected to all of this because she threw crab apples at a mail carrier. I believe the system was wrong the way Ashley Smith was treated. How do you think this situation should have been handled?
Peggy Hill she got 1 month for the assault on the postman. She remained incarcerated because, as her friend said, she assaulted the officers every time she interacted with them. She was coming at them with shards of glass. THAT is why she stayed there.
But i really feel so sad for Ashley Smith Any Real Loving Parent would go to Court With Judge and Jurey They would not except money In an out of court Settlement So I Pray all of Canada will see this comment of mine And see the truth
I would've sued.. but then again..from the beginning the mom should've taken Ashley to a therapist then none of this would've happened.. why didn't the mom or dad visit Ashley? Thy just didn't want nothing more to do with her cuz she was out of control so thy locked her up and didn't look back..also if Ashley was out of control..the parents should've controlled her when she was younger..thy didn't provide proper parenting RIP Ashley
I don't think that the Mom wanted her any longer. Her sentence was one month and then goes to almost 5 years? I think that the parents refused her back into their home...it's very sad though, because at the end of the day, Ashely was just a child, a child that was in pain.
When a prisoner is in segregation they don't get visits and make store. That's here in Louisiana I'm sure most prisons are the same. Visitation is a privilege and if u getting written up as much as she did her parents wouldn't be able to.
If her parents noticed "unfit mental behaviour" they should have taken her to the psychiatric ward of a hospital where she could be examined by a team of professionals and receive medication. It's sad to say, but jail is jail and guards don't care about whether you're guilty, innocent, sane, insane ect. Their job is to react to an inmate's behaviour. It's sad but the jail should have done more to ensure her mental wellbeing, but it must have been difficult when the perpetrator or a crime must face the concequences but also needs additional assistance.
It's obvious that she brought all this punishment on herself. All she had to do was follow simple directions and she chose not to. She could have been out of there in a month, one month if she had sucked it it up and behaved. I have no pity for her, she was an incorrigible human being and you can't tell me that she was incapable of behaving herself on any level, you have to take responsibility for your actions, we all do things every day that we don't want to and I don't feel she was mentally ill. All she had to do was stop and I am truly sorry that she never figured that out.
When i was a teen, i was placed in a treatment facility housing kids from ages 4-17. The staff were not trained, they didnt want to be there, college kids just getting easy pay. This was a place that was suppose to provide kids with agriculture therapy and ourdoor therapy. Beautiful property, youd think this would be ideal for any disturbed patient. But no. Theyd lock us in our rooms and not allow us to go outside. My first week there I always wondered why kids wouldnt comply. But you literaly go crazy! When there is nothing but you and your mind locked in a room, bored to death, not a good mix. Only thing to do is to fight. This is not ok. I understand there is lack of funding and staff but wtf. Sexual predators, child abusers, molesters, rapist do not get treated like this!!! Not fair. I hate our system.
Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a DSM sited mental illness. The fact that what we are seeing here are the tapped interactions makes it appear there is some level of accountability... but a lack of therapeutic talent on the part of the institution. Unfortunately, these people don't really have a tool box for dealing with an issue they've seen a hundred time and that's the real crime. A metal cell is no place to put a child who suffers from an obvious chemical imbalance and requires interpersonal support. It's a pity for everyone involved.
You're mostly right. Let's assume that someone with a conscious and a love for kids is being instructed by management that THIS is the way they need to deal with THIS behavior. They're being trained in a way that goes against their instinct.....and that would be to handle it differently. Don't get me wrong, I know that some hard a^^ sadists love to work in a place where they can oppress and punish, but the fact the whole interaction was on video makes me think there's a "cover you a^^" issue at this place and management might be trying to dodge some heat....unknowingly drawing more of it. Pity....but for the stupidity.
She should have gone to a treatment center for troubled children. So in Canada you can be tried twice for the same crime, even if it's not murder? After she turned 18 she should have been released. Then as an adult if she messed up again, go back in to the system. If you treat people horribly they will take that in, and who knows how they will react. This is not the right way, I don't know the right way but this isn't it.
I'm totally disgusted in the way they did this young women. Instead of the "special treatment" of ignoring the choking, how about they realized she needed one on one real help, love, and care by professionals. She was different but not alone in her self destructive behavior. If you constantly treat someone as though they are nothing what is their reaction expected to be? I realize no one is perfect not the staff or Ashley. But I pray that you folks are looking at other measures for ppl like this in the future. She won't be the last to have problems.
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They don't care
To be fair, she's a foul mouthed, violent 14 year old who happens to be the size of a hippopotamus.
@@user-sm7og6fi3j May very much be true, but she didn't receive the help necessary.
Oh it's bad she was treated like animal
She was a animal!
Anyone a child that is incarcerated threatning suicide or trying to complete suicide should have a mental health assessment. And a plan for treatment put in place,
Anyone not just any child
Don't work
*She clearly had mental health & behavioral issues, but she needed proper treatment. Not to be man handled like she was Hannibal Lecter!*
That may be true. But the real question is what does proper treatment look like? If a psychiatrist can’t get near her because she out of control. If you have to pin her down to accept medication and she can’t safely be around other people what is the answer. Ultimately you are left with the same result. Isolation and restraint of an individual that is a harm to herself and others. If you’re going to blame the correctional officers then you need to suggest a safe alternative. What do you do if reasoning and negotiation go out the window?
Gavin Cole I agree with both of you. There was definitely a need for mental health and behavioral issues but she was out of control. These correctional officers are not to blame really. They only do what they've been taught to do. What they are equipped to handle. If her own mother and father couldn't handle her or anyone else then how can we place blame on the officers? The girl was strangling herself repeatedly! Constantly! If my child was doing that, I'd get them some mental help and I'd tie them down too in a heartbeat if it persisted. She had some emotional issues for sure.
Something does need to change though. I just don't know what and obviously others don't know either or I'd say they would be doing that instead. However, again, the officers aren't to blame. Some correctional officers are jerks but in this situation, what else could they have personally done for this particular girls who was out of control? Maybe they could've been kinder? I don't know. I just know this story saddens me but we have to place blame where it goes and that isn't on people who are just doing their jobs.
@@gavincole9733 real treatment looks like her not being in the prison system to start with. She needed inpatient mental health and psychiatric care, and they would know how to administer that!
Queen of Diamonds Treatment for WHAT? They didn't know what was wrong with her enough to help her
@@gavincole9733 appears to me that she never had a chance to leave isolation that started the day she arrived. There wasn't psychiatric treatment until long after she had been in isolation. I think the isolation alone would give the most stable adult mental health problems. She was a teen with 2 minor offenses when incarcerated. I can't see how this inhumane treatment was even allowed in today's society. It's barbaric!!! The system escalated the problems and created her downward spiral. And to just stand there while she died!!! No one deserves to be treated like this. So unreal and mindboggling that this is truly happening and she wasn't the only one receiving this treatment. And it sounded like it was still being used. If you think being locked down at home during the current covid-19 crisis was hard, it's heaven compared to the treatment of a teenage child who didn't even live long enough for her brain to finish developing. You know, the frontal cortex that allows us to make rational decisions, it can take until 25 years of age to be fully functional, true for every human.
Love how the ex warden has the balls to wear that fringe leather vest but not to answer anything about Ashley
You know... I was thinking the exact same thing
seeing him wear that outfit made me think he does more than just warden prisons. I was thinking he was probably abusing men who have mental issues if you catch my meaning.
He looks like Melvin p Thorne in best little whorehouse. The Watchdog!
@@daniplaysoneasy-9454 I don't know who that is but I'll trust your judgement on that one
Jamie Conner - the guy with the fringe was a senior advisor not a warden. The warden refused the interview.
Obviously, she was mentally ill. The whole system needs to be overhauled. This is not the way to treat the mentally ill. Some of these tactics resemble Mediaeval torture.
Vanessa Shaw this is not the way to treat people, period.
I think she became mentally ill BECAUSE of these horrible people. She threw a fkn apple and this is her punishment. That’s crazy to me. Being driven insane and suicidal until ultimately death. What is wrong with these people “nobody knows what’s wrong with her”
She was being abused!
I agree.
You got that right..
Wait till they use electric shock and drugs ...next.
torture wont help someone recover . this is absolutely inhumane
Yeah criminal responsibility should be raised to 15
Yeah its toture
Everyone was involved with her death, including her parents for not hiring an attorney immediately upon problems.
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Her parents never disciplined her, they let her get to an immense size and she was a danger to society.
Her parents failed her by not raising her correctly, they only thing mentioned here was she was learning disabled. I wouldn’t want this woman walking the streets, she was out of control and HUGE!
That’s a good point you make, everyone failed her.
@@misanthropic985 You're pretty judgy. She was a child with mental health problems. WTF does her weight have to do with anything? And you don't know anything about her parents. She was failed by the system.
@@misanthropic985 what the heck has her weight got to do with it 😡 what a disgusting thing to say! You think she's HUGE, I would hate for you to see myself then. Go away, if you're going to make comments like that
@@misanthropic985 You are part of the problem! This child wasn't given the opportunity to interact with normal human contact for years. That would turn most feral; compound it that she did have mental illness. I agree that everyone failed her from the juvenile system all the way through the corrections system! Animals get treated more humanely. There should've been heads role from the very top down! This was criminal!!!
three big man squeezing 14 old girl's neck. Yeah that is security
..... what type of 21st century system is this?
If that had taken place at home it would have been a case of “ child abuse”.... this has shocked the living daylights out of me.
3 burley intimidating men entering a cell placing their hands around a teenagers neck pushed up against a wall with the weight of one man leaning on you let alone two or three is UNacceptable.
You don’t TORMENT the mentally tormented.... you TREAT THEM!😡😡
FIX the friggin system..... IT IS BROKEN!. Gobsmacked to know Ashleigh had not been given a mental health assessment to begin with ......... and wtf was that warden thinking sending her to an adult prison facility??
Disgusting
@Carol Watkins .... as a child I thought what a wonderful world we live ... and in my childhood years of wonderful, I grew up to discover as an adult .... that the ‘ wonderful’ I knew as a child, wasn’t that wonderful at all. On a whole I do not like the human race .... we are unforgiving toward our brothers and sisters, there will never be ‘ world peace ‘.... sad.
Carol Watkins .... SOME are only bought to justice that work in facilities like this and abuse their power.....many get away with such behaviour and it physically sickens me . This behaviour went on a hundred years or so ago...... and evidently still goes on...we have learned nothing!
@Carol Watkins ... Agree
A compassionate heart would not allow any of what these men did to and did not do for this girl.
There should have been a public outcry and investigation into the treatment and death of this girl long before this footage was uploaded.
I’m disgusted in the behaviour displayed by these cowards. Not one man put their job on the line to render assistant to a child’s life that was slowly slipping away in front of them .... gutless somewhat?
That alone speaks volumes as to what ‘ type’ of men we can see in facilities such as this ... nothing but sadists.
This facility should be completely ‘RESTAFFED’ imo.
blessings ✨
Omg..put any sane person in one of those rooms for 23 hrs a day with no where to sit or sleep and no one to talk to and nothing to do and watch them go crazy..let alone someone who has issues. at least she's not suffering now.
You're spot on with how you're wording this!
Hmmmm.. well she was not complying when they asked her to. what should they do? I work in the mental health field and some people are dangerous to themselves or others. Unless you're in the situation, you can't comment.
This kid arrived to her adoptive parents at 5 days old. Mental health issues are impacted by social support available. Everyone who encountered that infant up until she was taken away (in her teens) for anti social/hostile/degenerate, criminal behavior should be scrutinized and held just as accountable as the prison system that was forced to deal with the mess that kid was when she entered their system. These problems for significant and severe way before she ended up being a ward of the government the lack of mental health the lack of research as to why she was so psychotic (pretty obvious that there is a huge chance that she was abused by one or multiple people for an extended period of time).
I don't know how I always end up seeing videos of adoptive kids who are failed, tortured, abused but I seriously have a fear of giving up a child for adoption. Aborting first term would probably be less painful than what this girl went through before she finally ended her life.
Eugene Jackson Jr some people just have chemical imbalances that they’re born with that cannot be corrected. It was not necessarily someone in her life.
horsluva075
WTF am I watching. besides torture. hog tied - lay in her own waste, tasered, 4 walls to stare at.. only part way in. don't care what's wrong with her. her treatment is inhumane. I'm shocked
Cara Chantler I agree with u. she was not a bomber.
Cara Chantler, exactly true!! This was a child with mental illness
Agree with all comments. Bad
Cara Chantler you're SHOCKED??? This is NOT exactly an uncommon situation in these so called CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES! IT ISNT EVEN AN UNCOMMON SITUATION IN YOUR LOCAL TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT JAIL CELL! WAKE UP!
Cara Chantler You get treated in the manner you treat others. That's just life.
As her dad says she was to have a psych assessment and that never happened. I think a guard should see how long they can last in a cell with nothing and no social interaction except with the guards hands on all the time.
There was a TV show in the UK a couple of years ago, a psychological experiment on solitary confinement. These people had a few things with them in their 'pod' to keep them occupied, and STILL quickly started to display concerning declining mental health signs. They knew they were safe and could quit at any time and it was still overwhelming for them. I feel very sorry for this young girl, she needed mental health support and rehabilitation, not solitary confinement for all those years.
www.thesun.co.uk/living/4341425/tv-experiment-solitary-confinement-five-days/
Where’s all the mental institutions gone? Thats where these people need to be they need meds and help!! Not to be locked up!!
I don't understand how it's still used, it's proven torture and they think mentally ill people are going to get better and behave after that, riduculous.
If I had a child laying on a cold cement floor 23 hours a day, I'd stage a break out if I had to.
Ya Robbie 100 % with you on that
Absolutely!
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Lmao and wind up in prison with them. r/iamverybadass
17 more suicides since Ashley, wow! Great system, ridiculous!!!
Awful. Clearly not learned.
You're kidding! So sad
Louise Mansfield that's for the entire federal prison system, not just Ashlee's prison
@@DarkAngel71180 And that justifies it or what's the point of your comment?!
Who else? If I may.
how in the world did a 1 month sentence turn into 4 years?
Because Ashley was so violent and assaultive that she added that much time to her sentence. If she’d not been so violent she would have gotten out on time.
Because she was pure evil www.cbc.ca/fifth/m/blog/the-life-and-death-of-ashley-smith
@@k0ufaR you call her pure evil...wow...did you read your link? A mentally ill child is tortured by the state for years and manages to kill herself while being closely watched.....and you say she is oure evil. Putting a child in solitary for months is pure evil. Tasering, pepper spraying and tying up ill kids is pure evil. YOU are pure evil...
@@k0ufaR
How is she pure evil, did you see what those guerrillas/guards did to her?!
I sure do hope you come back to revisit this story 10 years from now, maybe you will have matured enough to have formed your own opinions! It's not cool to be a follower, especially when you are following idiots. Jus sayen. ✌😊
@@aescel3402 Yes, I read the link, I posted the link, your logic is poor. Just tell me what are your suggestion exactly, then?
“Human relationships” where did this poor girl have a positive human relationship?
Her story breaks my heart.
Her parents raised her right... tried to get help for her. She had a mental health diagnosis. Should have been on meds.
@Jennifer 6strings that only started AFTER she was sent to juvie and was placed in solitary. Before then what was the worst thing she did? oh right, throw CRABAPPLES at someone. hardly "hurting"
@@horsluva0758 -'WHAT mental condition. NO MENTAL CONDITION WAS MENTIONED because she didn't have one.
Jessi - She had her parents, teachers, and schoolfriends just like 99.99999% of all other children.
Jessi Sheikh Her mother said 3x she saw her the whole time 😕
@@horsluva0758 k(
it doesnt take a genius to figure out leaving someone alone with these problems is not beneficial, nothing positive, inhumane!
Locking up people is the right thing to do, especially when they have mental problems. They don't belong in society.
@@joeya6795 You're right. They don't belong in society. They belong in a controlled, calm environment with all the help they need so that they can reform themselves and eventually be ready to engage with society as a whole.
Not this kind of thing, Joey. Nobody benefits from something like this.
What had you done if you were here?
When did they mention her problems? Cuz u heard even her own dad say she was just a trouble maker who did whatever she wanted, I heard no evidence her being mentally ill
@@joeya6795 exactly! When they act like this, especially! I don’t want this overgrown brat walking free
TORTURE is all this place is doing.
Anyone would choke their self to get out of this place!
Exactly
I feel nauseous...That poor girl was tortured for having behavioral issues. I don’t even think I can watch anymore... This is outrageous.
I agree with you 100% I currently work with troubled teenagers girls in a rehab center and any of these young girls could be Ashley Smith it is very concerning
I couldn't even watch more than one minute. Heartbreaking
Turning away and avoiding it to feel better doesn’t help anyone
Don’t feel Ill Corrine. Chuck some uniform on and go in there and hug some of the lovely unicorn fairy’s in there. Nup just stay in your PJs in your comfy bed and comment about those evil prison guards that work with the lovely fairy’s day in day out.
Have any suggestions to the lowly paid cops working the prisons? What were they supposed to do?
Is it just me or did anyone else notice that they never said a word about her history, all they said is about puberty she started rebelling, I wonder if she was ever disciplined, if not then that explains a lot. If you never hear anyone tell you no until for 13 or 14, yeah you're going to have major issues, which is what I think has happened here.
Agreed!!!!
Agree
They said she was adopted when she was 5 months old It’s pretty common for children that have been adopted to pick up behavioural problems
Yep! That’s what I keep commenting. Her own father literally said she was a brat who wanted t get her own way and if she didn’t, she lashed out. She was an over grown brat who never learned and got herself killed. The other cell mate even said she loved to mess with the guards and it was entertaining to her to make them angry. Sounds to me like a dumb kid thought she was invincible and got killed.
@@valerierodger7700 the only said learning disabilities in this program
Did you not hear what her own father said?
Ashley was definitely mentally ill and was behaving like a child, meaning a very young child. She didn’t get a diagnosis which is insane.
She should never have been in a solitary confinement like a violent prison inmate.
I can’t believe he said ( don’t do anything unless she isn’t breathing ) and the guards actually listen to this murderer yeah sure let’s just wait until she’s dead and make a move.
Nobody had a moral compass or a sense of the wrong thing kinda voice kicking in. And The parents should have been more involved. They saw the cuts and that she didn’t see anyone to figure out the solution and that solution was definitely not being strapped in a body bag in prison in solitary.
They drove her crazy by locking her in a room and leqving her fir months an years
That's what I said she was responding like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.
@@valerierodger7700 still don't give them a reason to lock her up for as long as they did and also keeping her in SW 24 7 didn't help much either
19:20 I cant take any man serious wearing that...if that guy worked for me I would tell him to grow up or fire him.
Too funny but absolutely 💯 % CORRECT !!!
Yesss 😂😂😂
Problem with this particular documentary was the reporter. She was biased at the start.
At the end, repeating the guards didn’t act when she killed herself... the girl was playing that game of strangling herself hundred of times.
How come the parents didn’t act during all those years ?
Exactly
That’s a good point
Agreed
You wouldn't be coherent after a few days as an adult and you expect perfect behavour from troubled child being tortured for 3 years?
I would be biased too she already got the story so ye she was on Ashley's side biased lmao not. What a crock she never got and treatment for her mental health. Your dam comment is stupid sorry
Too much information is missing form this documentary for it to make sense. What I did see and understand was very sad.
What you said: “This is no place for teenage defiance.”
What you meant to say: “This is no place for teenagers.”
Was going to say the same thing
Exactly. Teenagers learn a lot from those defiant years. Its a right of passage in growing up. All 3 of my teenagers are very selfish humans. I know they will grow out of it! They are just growing.
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That's heartbreaking to see a young girl go through so much suffering and all because she was denied the legal right for proper psychological help. The laws need to be changed and strict penalties need to be put in place for those who unlawfully engage this kind of treatment towards ppl with psych issues. It's disturbing and uncalled for.
She DID NOT NEED IN PRISON!!!!
I don't think her parents wanted her back. They could have intervened.
I wouldn't want that King Kong back either. Have some sympathy for the parents.
@@hellahounds4753 😥
@@hellahounds4753 that's really disrespectful
I wouldn't want to deal with her either.
@@beckypalmer8511 you'd make a horrible parent, don't become one. If you already are I feel sorry for your children
Horrific. This is how a troubled teenager is treated. The conditions in this cell are shocking. The system is the one 'out of control'.
The real criminal is the person who made that jacket @19:14
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This girl should have been placed in a secure treatment center where she could have got help.Not in that jail.
Solitary confinement just makes ppl crazy..
maureen heaps wrong NEVER should have been incarcerated ....
Her mom did not advocate for her daughter at all! Just accepted the deplorable treatment Ashley was getting! No way, no freaking way would I let my child be treated like this and she's no criminal. I would be doing everything in my power to get her the treatment she needed and deserved. But first I would have taken my child out of these centers that clearly were making her condition worse. Poor child😟
Kimberly Simpson you can't take your child out of federal prison
I agree that the Mum did not appear to be trying to help her daughter. After she saw the scars on her arms and realised how much weight she has lost, why did she not demand an investigation?? You cant just take your child out of prison but you can certainly kick up a stink if they arent being taken care of adequately.
Jenna Fine Watch me. If that was one of my kids, I'd play the system with such innocence and relentless effectiveness that after I won their freedom, you'd never even suspect me as the hand behind the cold and all consuming vengance that ensued.
Kimberly Simpson
Yep and now she's pointing the finger at everyone else. 🙄
Kimberly Simpson You are right Mam
Ashley was screaming out for help, instead of someone taking time to listen to Ashley, she entered into a nightmare that got worse every single day. Ashley was let down by those who should have kept Ashley safe. RIP.
It was a simply shocking video. So much wrong with Canadian 'health care'! Heartbreaking story of how Ashley was failed and abused by the very people who should have helped her.
@@Africangirl55 really? you think people never tried to help her? she was obviously a lost cause.. incurable. If you have a problem with the Canadian Health/Mental Care then maybe you should either get a degree or at least volunteer in the industry. Most of the Mental Health Nurses are there to actually help plus their pay-cheques are good too...
@@duMaurier15 I am a registered professional nurse in another country and spent 10 years at a mental health facility. I know we failed many patients altho some were helped.
@@Africangirl55 you failed because you and your staff neglected them or because they refused help, meds, counselling, or change their lifestyle? My opinion and yes it is a harsh opinion but if someone refuses help and continues to act and be a degenerate.. what more can society do for them? If they want to die let them.. some people just can't move on. Miss Smith appears to be one of those disrespectful, selfish, narcissistic person. I am sure medical and security staff treated her with respect the first years they had to deal with her. Thank you for your service btw.
Charles Mansfield got treated better than this
Put a sane person in an empty room for 23 hours without human connection.. I would love to see how the PERSON WHO GAVE THE ORDER stay inside for 60 days... OMGGG!
I'm a stay at home mom. And I go crazy being stuck inside for more than a day or two.
She was held there for over 3 years.....
wow, that wrap is completely torture
Max R I would have freaked out like crazy- I had a knot in my throat watching it
Then she should have behaved herself...the guards need to keep themselves safe too ...the friend admitted she did it out of amusement and to annoy the guards ..she’s out of control and she assaulted staff she deserved what she got ...I was a difficult child and teenager but I knew right from wrong and so does she she knows what she’s doing would hurt people..she’s no victim
All you have to do is do what you're told and you won't be put in it.
@@juliexx1980 You are a self righteous hypocrite!
@@tempo1889 You're another self righteous cowardly slave!
wow, 12:51 this is by definition, torture. She was no angel, but you cannot treat other humans this way.
lol this is not torture, all she had to do was follow the rules and nothing would have happened to her
people like you make scare me. the rules were arbitrary, and diametrically extreme punishment can not be tolerated. she was tortured.
callie. .... that's easy to say when you don't have or don't understand mental illness. I am not even going to explain it because this video covered it all but yes people like you and I would have just done as we were told but this girl didn't think like you and I because she had a mental illness. I seriously hope that you go away from here and actually learn something about mental disorders (I know it's hard to understand them especially as it's not something you can see but I assure you they are very very real) and them hopefully you'll have some compassion for people such as this girl.
+solidcatink torture is the exact word that came to my mind too. It is hard to believe this is happening in a youth facility in the developed world. How anyone could expect her to improve her behaviours when she was continously treated as if she was subhuman mystifies me. I realise that dealing with people with complex issues is extremly difficult but surely we can do better than this.
Seriously this was so disturbing. And she was wrapped for suicidal attempts, not for "not following the rules", if this is how you treat a suicidal person in a juvenile facility it IS torture. The helmet and everything was so incredibly excessive. I understand restraints but to let her sit in her own urine in a lit cell is awful.
I can't believe they never bothered to have a psychologist/psychiatrist come see her to try to find out what could be going on with this young lady. She needed someone to help her & they wound up failing Ashley on multiple levels. This should have never happened. RIP Ashley Smith.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
the doctors would not have been any help. I was a severely angry youth and there was nothing that could have been done at that time to stop my behaviour
But that was you, not Ashley Smith.
Right, that wasn't you... if I'm not mistaken this was in Canada, am I correct, because I couldn't see this bs going on in the states 🤬 🤬
This girl had no chance. Her agony is finally over... 😔
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This treatment is inhumane. She is a child and her metal capacity is child-like. If parents treated their children like this it would be classed as abuse. If the approach isn't working try something else and get advice. Clearly the physical response to her behavior was only escalating the situation.
Helen Davidson in reality what are you supposed to do when someone that size gets physical with you other than physically restrain them
Helen Davidson how could grown men do this to a child. A young girl. I'll never stop crying inside over this.
Helen Davidson she was 19 not a child
Helen Davidson omg they killed her. Why??
They keep talking about efforts to "help" her, when every step from beginning to end had probably made her infinitely worse. Throwing a fourteen-year-old girl in segregation. I was frightened and isolated enough in a hospital eating disorder unit at 16, but she was "troubled" in a way that marked her for the kind of treatment you'd expect to be used on grown men.
What a complete travesty.
:(
she was troubled in a way that made her violent to others.
inhumane disgusting treatment
Yeah, could almost be American...
Das Dimplz right!
her suicide video is on youtube. the person who made the order not to intervene should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
penniesfromheavon I agree with you. if i do the same thing to my son, I am arrested. Canada should review the system, otherwise close those useless facilities. it must be difficult to deal with someone like her but they should know about boundaries.
penniesfromheavon
Canada needs to be more harsh on criminals!!!
I think they did her a favour since she would never leave that hellhole. I would do like she did if I had to spend rest of my life in isolation.
SO RIGHT PENNIESFROMHEAVEN X
PoorBelfs agreed !
This looks to be a young girl with behavioral problems quickly be turned into mental health problems by a broken criminal justice system and the correctional facilities.
"RIP Ashley, your suffering is over" 👼❤ 🕊
@ Lynnsalways smilen ... she has conduct disorder which which is a mental disorder. It is a very serious condition where criminality is involved. She probably had oppositional Defiant disorder and developed into conduct disorder as she did not get treatment
23 hours in a Cell alone, regardless of diagnosis, would do it to anyone.
Lynn, always smilen NO she murdered herself, no peace in that what so ever !!! Nice try
They were told not to go in there unless she wasn't breathing. If someone's face is turning purple, shouldn't you automatically assume they're not breathing??
My nephew died in a jail cell alone he was only 18 years old. He's how it happened. His family grew concerned about him. He suffers from mental illness his mom's side of the family have alot of the family members that suffer from this illness. So his dad and his sister took him to the hospital get him evaluated to get him into the mental hospital. So the whole day was for them to tell the family they would need them to take him to the crisis response center to get him help. Well when they took him it's getting harder into the day. They started to ask questions. Well they told them the truth that he did have a warrant for traffic violations. So they called for the cops to take him to jail. To the crisis response center it was easier then doing there job to get him into a mental hospital. Well there's video that shows how they treated my nephew. They stripped him naked and then put the suicide best thing on him. Then they threw him into a padded sell for suicide watch. Well after only 8 days they found him dead. But they thought he had finally went to sleep becouse in those 8 days he didn't eat or drink any thing or sleep in the whole 8 days ge was there. When he was going though the manic episodes. He couldn't do anything for himself whats so ever. But they found him in his own urine and crap on him. They knew he was mentally ill and they didn't help him in anyway. They basically killed him. When they did the autopsy they found out he had lost 40 pound becouse they weighted him when he was put into jail. The messed up part no one got in trouble for his death. Like I said you can look up this case. My nephew came is Marc Anthony Moreno this happened on March 11, 2016 im Washington state in Benton county. This has news videos and more details about everything. But if you or I would had left him to die, we would be charged for murder and in Marc case no one has been held accountable for his death. I'm still so angry over his death. I feel everyone that was involved with running the jail That was supposed to be watching my nephew suffer should have to pay for his. And they should be put in jail for what they've done to my nephew. I feel so sad that this young girl went though the horrific situation. Jails need to change how there able to treat people like animals and get away with how cruel they treat inmates. Yes they have done something to be put in jail but that shouldn't give the guards the right to treat them like animals in the pound. They are humans and animals shouldn't be treated cruel either. Just wanted to make that clear to. RIP this young girl and Marc. They suffered horrible deaths but now they are free to fly and be happy in a better place. God bless everyone.
I think we're all troubled by the treatment of this girl, but what exactly do you do if you're law enforcement? It's fine for people to get mad about this, but I'd like to see them try to care for this young lady.
Rob Hildebrand Law enforcement should have not shuffled her around every 90 days and Law Enforcement could have also made sure she was seen by a Dr regularly maybe if they had of and she could have been put on proper meds that could have helped her with her disorders and she wouldn't be dead
Agree.
Poor, poor criminals...I HAVE NO COMPASSION!!! All inmates ate given written: rules, regulations, list of violations/offences and action/charges taken for violations, schedules, any forms needed to submit, instructions, etc.- It is the size of a dictionary! There is STRICT protocol for ANY use of force. I.R.s must be completed and entries are made in shift logs. Her in-house records transferred with her. To many of my family in gray have been mutilated and/or died at the hands of these monsters!!!Civilians could not stomach working a shift in an actual corrections facility!
Rob Hildebrand I am very pro-LEO! Worked for a PD and family members are officers. Ashley Smith was not where she needed to be. She needed a mental rehab facility.
I agree! Sad all the way around, but what is the answer. It’s very complicated.
Reminds me of the girl who cried wolf
Yep
Someone brave enough to say what we are thinking
Her mom is in big denial about her angel of a daughter
Yup you would too if it was your daughter
She is not in denial but if you do not know what to do or how to go about it then what do you do?
These detention and prison personnel’s were and are evil. This is and was physical abuse on ALL levels.
Where is the empathy, the care; they did not on occasions give her tissue or feminine towels. Who does that where was the basic - I am sure that Canada is signed up the UN CONVENTION “”The Rights of A Child” This young girl did not even experience have a glimpse of it.
Be very care what you say about other people because the same thing might visit you!
No her daughter was not an angel but she was a child who had mental health issues and was guilty of throwing crab apples. She received a sentence that our most violent offenders in Canada don't receive!
Yes she couldn't control her, so expects the govt. to.
Why was her Mom not speaking up.
Mom is completely delusional.
What was she to do....tell me.... tell her mom....it is easy just sit there and write that. Shame on you.
@@skaarup33 When the state has you in their hands you are at their mercy... All of them are sick SOB's.
I'm guessing your an expert? Or just good at judging? Opinionated You Tube comments... Is that your expertise?
@@skaarup33 she did file an 11 million dollar lawsuit... they talk a lot about human contact... Ashley hated her mother. She was placed in 3 different foster care homes.... did the mother visit her? Write to her? Try and support her?
No. That's reality.
@@patrynunes some people should never have been parents. I would or could never treat my daughter that way. My daughter will always be nr. 1 in my life.
This is so sad. There's a part of me that wants to say that this girl asked for her life to be so hard but then there's another part that says that she shouldn't have died, that the guards were careless. It was very sad to see her father at her grave.
I do think antagonize the guards because you're bored does mean a person bares some responsibility. I mean, she was purposely acting like she was going to hang herself many times. In some ways she put herself in these situations.
Also, her parents weren't concerned that a one month sentence turned into over 3 years???
Responsibility? She was a child barely past grade school age.
They were concerned parents.. she never got a full assessment for mental health or diagnosis. Regardless of her behaviors she has rights and those facilities had a responsibility for her health and life.. They failed her and trapped her in a cell. Your comment is stupid.
It's aggravating on both sides. Guards have to deal with this kid doing stupid stuff to herself, on purpose, and she has to deal with the mistreatment from them. It's an endless cycle that neither side wanted to quit. Pitiful no one was brave enough to stop before Ashley stopped it permanently.
P.S. This isn't a stupid comment.
I saw her suicide video and they could've stopped her, easily. This sucks so bad.
Miss.Phoenixx really, smh. Wow wtf. This is insane. This was in Canada. Where did you see her suicide tape. That shouldn't be out. This is so sad. She was just a child.
Miss.Phoenixx what's it called?
*Edit*
The video is on RUclips called "Ashley smith death video" so sad. Viewer discretion is advised!!
No you didn't.
pfriderfan it's online. Simply google it. Her mother made sure it was public.
Rebecca Jane it on youtube, the death of ashley smith
Watching this has me overwhelmed as if I’m the one being taped 😑 why didn’t someone push to have her evaluated she’s clearly having some deeper issues.
You can say that about any child in juvenile detention
I thought my life was cursed.. This poor young lady should have never been abused like that. I say the system failed and should be held accountable for murder.... This is 💯 evil.
Franaflyby I thought my life was bad too. I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, depression, & intermittent explosive disorder but I was diagnosed with autism as a child (I’m 22 now)
Calling this a failure of the system is unfair. They tried numerous multiple things for years and years with this girl. Had she been medicated here'd he people criticizing that. She obviously was seriously disturbed. I feel for her parents and they seemed to try their best but this is not anyone failing her.
She was treated worst then an animal.There should have placed her in a mental health hospital,seems to me as time went on her mental state was something they shrugged off, she was so young 3 formative years as a teenager spent in a cage. only to end in her death,those who were fired should have been arrested for man slaughter, they are all responsible for her death. oh and love the question your job or her life? There was a hesitation! wHO CARES a job is replaceable a life is not. This is the most disgusting display of control by the legal system i have seen. A pychiatric hospital could have delt with these issues medicine therapy people showing her care a soft bed clean clothes healthy food so much could have been done for her.
totally 100% agree. though ultimately she in the system, she was a minor child which made her more visable & the parents raising flag, blowing whistle,calling every news network around i Truly believe this child be alive today. her mother came across as very detached and cold as she only blames others for the same though she did. nothing but let her die. God help
+Molly B Yes, glad you noticed that about the mother. I was trying hard not to judge her harshly but i know if it were one of my kids i would by hysterical and beyond irrate. No matter how old your kids get they are still your child and a prison lock down is the last thing you would ever want to see your kids in. I believe the mother could have done much more.
+Gina Di Camillo I was a child out of control, my mother put me in an awful place like this but now as an adult I don't blame her,there was nothing else she could have done after she tried all the doctors, therapy and medications. At 12 years old I had such anger issues I was a threat to seriously harm anyone around me. I'm sure it was heartbreaking for the mother but I'm sure there were no other options
Well good to know your ok now. Her mom didnot put her there it was jail for a minor crime but because of her issues she remained there for years. Somebody should have had her on medication and in a pych hospital. No jail is equipped to handle the mental problems she had. Maybe the mother did her best who knows, i am thinking that she could have tried harder though and seemed a bit cold and detached.
if you repeatedly make suicidal threats, and refuse to stop, what choice do they have?
the comments here are as cold as the guards in this film. the fact that a young girl was left to die alone on the floor of a cold cell, being "bad" for human contact! come on commenters, this person just needed to be listened to by a loving person. God will be waiting for all those involved. In fact, God will be seeing all of us. Love each other!
She pretended to be dead so she can attack the guards, sometimes with glass.
Linda Keaton sooo truu
ohaymargs itsyou right. these people know exactly what they're doing.
Linda Keaton no she needed lots of medication
The you take these individuals in your home. Together with your kids. 🙌🏻✌🏻😀
What was the plan for her release? No training, no counselling, no exercise, just left to self harm and play with her floor tiles or faeces ? This is shameful.
There are a lot of people that think Canada gets "free health care." This is what "free" gets you. Also, before anyone tries to comment about not knowing, I'm from Canada myself and it's absolutely terrible for health care/mental health where I'm from. I feel absolutely sorry for what this family as well as what Ashley had to go through, this is so heatbreaking.
I know. Everyone talks about how Canada is the perfect country with free health care, and it's just ridiculous.
I would disagree. The care for most physical stuff is good. The mental health is where we have a habit of falling totally flat. And unlike the US, we don't have to choose between health care and rent/food.
I have mixed feelings about this....
@Vixen Feline I never said I agreed with their methods, obviously there are more effective ways but you also have to ask yourself what was different between her an some of the other girls there. the parents themselves said she was out of control, it's not just throwing the apple thing at the mail person.
Her behavior itself on some of the tapes were evidences that something was wrong with her.
My statement about mixed feelings is not saying either was right just that there's a reason she was there
Mariah Ali
I do too.
I agree
She needed a comprehensive physical evaluation:
- genetic testing: shows nutritional weak areas where the body needs supportive supplementation (ie: B vitamins and magnesium for the brain)
- organic acids testing: to assess toxicities due to heavy metals, molds, candida (all these can cause inflammation in the brain, which obviously won't allow it to function optimally)
- detailed blood testing (assessing nutritional aspects - deficiencies and imbalances)
After nutritional/hormonal/neurotransmitter testing helps achieve homeostasis within the body, only then can a patient begin to participate fully in counseling. It doesn't mean you can begin counseling sooner (with more mundain strategies), but too much change at once is indeed stressful, which can create/add to brain inflammation.
Anyway. Just pointing out that there **are** strategies to help someone, but not all practitioners are trained in these (functional medicine) strategies.
It’s always someone else’s fault, the mother is in denial
I've seen them do better jobs on hard core criminals. These people don't know what they are doing.
stop, before you attempt to deny anything, stop. WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH IS TORTURE
I bet things have not changed and KIDS are still being treated like this. I can totally understand why she acted the way she did. That was the only stimulus she really had. She needed help not disaplian
It seems that its always someone else's fault.
And
That was a terrible thing to watch...
This is disgusting!!!! She is being treated like a caged animal. She obviously needed medical treatment. So, so upsetting.
im in uk. i was shocked that modern Canadian did this to inmates. she shouldn't be an inmate, she shoud be treated as a patian at that time. she was seeking an attention to be treared nicely, not wrongly. they just tried to correct her behaviour with handcuff, a mask, etc like an animal. if someone does the samethimg to an animal would be arrested. i think they knew about it and wouldn't do the same thing to their own dog!! they made her behaviours difficult more and more. she needed a homey place and take some pycotherapies. what she got? just humiliations. she was demonstrating to resist to them who was so useless to help them.
they just encouraged her nagative behaviours. what they could do was stop moving her. i can't believe it happend today not before WW2.
may long I'm in the UK also May! This treatment would never happen here! We asr so lucky to live here :)
Ger Tob they did something north Korean does.
Absolutely disgraceful!
A sex assaulter can get 2 years to life and throwing crabapples at a mailman gets 4 years?? so a sex assaulter (which is way more illicit than a crabapple thrower) can get a lesser sentence... well done government WELL DONE!! :)
Marina M behaving stupidly?
she attempted suicide many times... guards got used to it and started ignoring it. are you educated in this? yeah, probably not.
you cannot ignore suicide attempts. yes, she would act out, throw tantrums... but can you imagine being by yourself 23 hours a day? yeah, that's what I thought. most, and I mean MOST people go crazy. silence is the loudest sound. learn a thing or two, moron.
Cheryl Loke and that's only IF they don't deem it a "he said she said" case, which is how 75% of these reports end up. Backwards right
she was treated worse than a dog. I can't believe she lasted that long. And what about her mother? What did she do to intervene---did she visit every day and be defiant in defense of her daughter. That girl fought a lonely battle, very disturbing
happy new year
Marina M ...IF --God FORBID -- u are ever put in an absolutely inhumane situation such as the one Ashley was continuously subjected to (because of ignorance, coupled with incredible apathy even from her own mother), then maybe, just ...MAYBE...u might understand enough to judge whether Ashley's behaviour was "stupid" or she was merely crying out for HELP!
This breaks my heart, I lost my daughter and no daughter deserves this treatment. Why? She is a human being and needed help with her mind.
RIP Ashley. Hope you're in a much better, much happier place now.
Not really, when your dead man that's it, finite,gone.
Me too. & No. that's not it LOL.... and you're in for a surprise. Because I've been dead 💀 and came back. Actually dead 💀 Witnessed by others. Honey we do go on, and get ready to trip balls.
La Red What happened?
I was strangled to death 💀 in February 2012. Oh yeah. We definitely go on. It’s so crazy. I have written in detail about it if you want to hear it.
La Red I would love to hear it. Can't imagine what it must be like to experience something like that...
Mom you gave up on her first. Blame the system if it makes you feel any better
I think it was a situation that was not dealt with before and the system didnt know what to do with her or how to handle someone like this.
Go in and be attacked. Dont go in and risk her death.
If you blame the person who gave the order not to go in unless she stops breathing you have to ask about the problems it would have caused them with the amount of trouble they received for having too many discipline orders.
At the end of the day it was Ashley that tied the knot around her own neck not anyone else.
They had tried a lot of things to deal with her and would have stopped many many suicide attempts by her. This one they didnt.
Perhaps she should have been in a mental health setting but that not the prisons fault.
They were handed her and had to deal with her in the prison setting that they had.
Well said
You're missing the point. No one is blaming the institution for not being able to "fix" or handle her. Even professional mental health experts can't help someone who refuses to be helped but Ashley was NEVER GIVEN THE OPPOURTUNITY TO GET ADEQUATE HELP. This wasn't a case of a few management staff mistakes or lack of ability of staff. All they had to do was make sure she was getting help - keeping up with psychologist, making sure she was being throughly assessed, creating management plan based off assessment and so on.. How did they allow a psychologist to not asses her let alone not diagnose her? Instead they did the bare minimum by providing a psychologist see her everyday and left it at that. Institutional management teams are not stupid, they will create a thorough intensive plan when it comes to behavioural management, release concerns, and risk assessment yet couldn't collaborate with mental health workers to create an action plan.
"They had tried a lot of things to deal with her " .. Did we watch the same video? No they didn't try "lots of things" they used one strategy in forms of different tactics: the rack, segregation, taser, pepper spray and finally neglect (once they noticed their use of force statistic report was higher than they wanted exposed to the public). AND did you not see how they manipulated policies to their advantage - prolonging mandatory assessment by shipping her off to different institutional SEG in which the 60 days of confinement was renewed? Did you see all of that? Did you see the shift in the behaviour of CSC and Ministry after she died ? If CSC or experts THEY hire are not capable of handling her why does the they pride themselves in providing mental health care to the public but once she died it's all " no comment" and pointing fingers elsewhere.
LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY= CONFIDENCE OF CSC TO CREATE A BREEDING GROUND FOR CORRUPT STAFF MEMBER AND HIGHER- UPS...... Im sorry for the rant but you should be more sorry for your ignorance.
I'd like to know more of the parenting style of her adoptive parents.
Agreed. Some people have suggested Ashley was Mentally Ill (Psychiatrically Ill) but the problems with Ashley started at home long before detention for throwing apples at the Postman.
The Focus of this investigation should have been concentrated upon her environment at home, when she began to change her moods and her, "Cry for Help" became apparent.
When a child changes her behavious suddenly at home, the authorities start their investigatoions with those with whom she is living. I am not making accusations but I would like "The Fith Estate" to explain which adults were investigated for suspected abuse of Ashley, long before she became a deliquent, by throwing the apples at the Postman..
I understand her father pays a visit to Ashley's graveside every day... Ummmmm, strange behaviour of a father wracked with guilt or simply a caring father? Maybe we'll never know.
RIP Ashley
Agreed!
I think the parent's played a big part at end by leaving her there. She had no hope. Teen's are teen's. But for both of your parent's to keep locking you up?
she was adopted. adoption causes masssive problems for mother and child. adoption is UNHEALTHY on so many accounts.
@@catherinehooper9039 it wasn't her parents choice to make. That's not how the correctional system works
So many stories just like this one over and over. My friend had been locked up for 18 years for something he didn't do.
a lot of people have their opinions but they was not the one dealing with this girl.
For those people blaming the guards, they did not necessarily have training to deal with the type of person she was. They are doing the procedures they are trained to perform
This is absolutely heartbreaking. Did anyone actually sit down and try to talk to the poor girl. So so sad and so preventable.
She needed her parents to support her and then she would have left.
She was poor girl 😢😢😢
Are you serious?
how could grown men do this to a child. A young girl. I'll never stop crying inside over this.
Tragic circumstances around Ashley Smith's life and death. I know that the media and Ms. Ashley's mother portrayed prison staff as heartless. But, this individual was extremely violent with total diregard for herself and others. As quoted from Wikipedia "Behaviour that Smith exhibited included many attempts at choking herself into unconsciousness; guards responding were often attacked by Smith, sometimes with weapons she had manufactured and concealed.[2]" She was often kept in solitary confinement because of her behaviour. Why should prison staff risk repeated injury or even death because of this dangerous narcissistic person? If someone responds that it is part of their job- no, it's not! Nobody should be assaulted, injured or abused in their job. As for a facility that could treat Ms. Smith she was moved to more than 10 facilities with no change in her behaviour. Prolonged isolation and physical and chemical restraint seem to be the only tools at facility staff's disposal. I know many will cry out that this was a violation of her human rights while little regard is paid to the rights of numerous employees injured while caring for this person and possibly suffering PTSD. I would suggest that many of those wringing their hands over this tragedy seek employment as guards who have daily contact with such clients as Ms. Smith. Hopefully, they will have more enlightened ideas on how to handle them.
I feel the same. I posted this above because this one just didn't seem right after watching the girl she met to begin with and then after all of her recorded incidents: As I watched this I wondered why she kept getting items to strangle herself. I understand it's not right to leave a person unclothed - I certainly wouldn't want that either but there's no way I would want to risk this. Also, the other girl in the beginning stated that Ashley like to push their buttons... I'm in no way saying that anyone should lose their life at 19 this way, but I feel that if it was a true mental issue someone should have pushed A LOT harder. There are plenty of punk kids just pushing their luck. Please know I'm not saying that was what she was doing! But there are plenty of them out there
She needed a Dr's care not a jail💔
Liberal hand-wringing glosses over or avoids a few things. The mad or bad dichotomy is not approached. This young woman saw a psychologist every day. That does not strike me as neglecting her mental health. Perhaps I missed it, but we did not hear anything from the mental health professional that was seeing her. She was also given an advocate, who may have recommended psychiatric intervention, but we only have her word for it and she was not qualified to make a recommendation. It does establish, however, that Ashley had at least two people a day who were focused on her support. She did not have to choke herself to get human company. This young woman also behaves in a way consistent with reason -self-interested reason- she wants attention, so she does whatever is necessary to get it. I understand that someone with a real mental health issue would be far more erratic, delusional and oblivious to self-interest. I see nothing here that even hints at that. Ashley simply behaves badly. When the authorities try to be humane, like issuing her with a television set, she tears it apart and uses the shards of glass to attack the guards.
Another point is that this woman came from an articulate middle - class family. This would have equipped her with the skills necessary to comply with the system and win her release. The amount of man-power her behaviour was eating up, plus the danger to the guards, must have meant they would have been pleased to see her leave. She didn't get out simply because her behaviour was so consistently violent, arrogant and disorderly in the extreme.
We do not want to consider the possibility of "bad" so titles are made up to try to avoid the philosophical landslide that such a word would cause. Someone behaving now "suffers" from Serial Killer Compulsion Disorder or Child Rape Ideation Syndrome. Forgive what may appear flippant. I do not for a minute disregard the serious nature of the above. My invention serves only to illustrate the point: these violent, disorderly people do not "suffer" from an illness, which is why they cannot be treated. They cause suffering to other people by the free expression of their deviance.
I must finally express my sympathy with the prison guards struggling to deal with such an obnoxious and aggressive person. At this point in history we do not understand the mechanism in the human constitution that causes such behaviour, but we do ourselves no favours by excessive sympathy for that which is bad and making those struggling to deal with it -or even the victims of it- the ones where we center all responsibility.
Kerry Horwitz exactly right
I felt like I was watching bona fide torture of a child. I had to stop looking at it for a while. It's rough.
Isolation has been proven to worsen or cause mental health issues. Take a look at kids in China and Romania who have been left in orphanages. They were born healthy children and end up with mental disabilities or mental illness. So keeping this girl in isolation for over three years obviously was making her worse. She needed help. Not to be left in a cell everyday with only negative interaction from the guards
They made her sicker and sicker and now she is dead. Those in need of help the most are left to the wolves, not the guards and the wardens. She was a child having her character and brain shaped by confinement and cruelty, no wonder she just did whatever she could for attention, that's the closest thing to love that she knew. Poor Ashley, they wrote on your blank slate and they wrote with hate. Hope you are at peace now and hope your story will help others in a similiar position.
Once again, if you treat people like animals the result is obvious. Most of the prison population deserves rehabilitation.
animals should not even be treated like this!!!
"The degree of civilization can be judged by the way it treats its prisoners."
I thought it was how they treated animals.
@@mariadoherty633 animals have better rights
This is a tricky one. You want them rehabilitated without making them feel like they are being rewarded. Also, you want them punished to give them a clear message without overdoing it. I think they were just fed up and, as it is always the case, resources/staff numbers were limited and a lot was invested in her on a daily basis. So they did what they did maybe? The guards were scapegoats though. Go in, you are fired. Do not go in you are fired. And where she faked it so many times and apparently tried to attack them, no one believed her any more. Tragic.
She did not belong in this system to start with. She needed inpatient mental health and psychiatric care.
There was no punishment needed in her case, she was a struggling child with mental health issues who was guilty of throwing crabapples. What she needed was inpatient mental health support.
So mom never asked to get her released?
Appallo Kelley yea moms can just ask for their kids to be released from prison and they will just open the doors and let her walk out of jail!!
@@truecrime98 sperg
Appallo Kelley Well...it doesn't really work that way lol.
It doesn't work that way, but Ashley was in prison much longer than her sentence! How did those guards justify such violent behaviour towards a girl? How could they still sleep at night? How could the person who ordered the guards to not do anything anymore, no matter what she did, still sleep? That hasn't happened even to the worst criminal.
it only works that way if you in politics and have cash doesnt work like that for the normal working family sorry i geuss the person asking didnt know
This case is a failure of the Canadian system. My condolences to a fellow young woman. Officers need training in phsycology and compassion. There are too many abuse incidents that correlate with lack of understanding/ignorance on the part of police and correctional officers. Militirized training only provides a narrow set of abilities which is actually kill someone. A little bit shocking we still havent evolved to a modern and humain way of treating mental illness. This case sadens me and it is a reminder that our country is only as good as it treats it's sick or disabled people and Canada clearly has a way to go. Thank you CBC these stories inspire me to fight for our human rights and to demand the quality of care Canada advertises to make sure it fabricates in reality.
ami amii thank you very much for her memory /Merci pour elle Ashley 😇repose en paix
ami amii :- Psychology is merely a set of ideas as is religion and science.
A mother..... a mother who says she lost track of where her daughter was? I’m honestly not trying to judge but did the mom really deeply care as much as she said she did?
Shame on you Canada.
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This is totally absurd when it boils down to the fact that this girl died over CRAB APPLES!!! I ask you, which was worse? A postman getting hit with crab apples ( not condoning this), or what was done to Ashley?
Peggy Hill Are you serious??!!
juliagulia....This poor girl was subjected to all of this because she threw crab apples at a mail carrier. I believe the system was wrong the way Ashley Smith was treated. How do you think this situation should have been handled?
Peggy Hill it technically was assault, she did deserve to get punished
Peggy Hill she got 1 month for the assault on the postman. She remained incarcerated because, as her friend said, she assaulted the officers every time she interacted with them. She was coming at them with shards of glass. THAT is why she stayed there.
But i really feel so sad for Ashley Smith Any Real Loving Parent would go to Court With Judge and Jurey They would not except money In an out of court Settlement So I Pray all of Canada will see this comment of mine And see the truth
I would've sued.. but then again..from the beginning the mom should've taken Ashley to a therapist then none of this would've happened.. why didn't the mom or dad visit Ashley? Thy just didn't want nothing more to do with her cuz she was out of control so thy locked her up and didn't look back..also if Ashley was out of control..the parents should've controlled her when she was younger..thy didn't provide proper parenting
RIP Ashley
I don't think that the Mom wanted her any longer. Her sentence was one month and then goes to almost 5 years? I think that the parents refused her back into their home...it's very sad though, because at the end of the day, Ashely was just a child, a child that was in pain.
When a prisoner is in segregation they don't get visits and make store. That's here in Louisiana I'm sure most prisons are the same. Visitation is a privilege and if u getting written up as much as she did her parents wouldn't be able to.
If her parents noticed "unfit mental behaviour" they should have taken her to the psychiatric ward of a hospital where she could be examined by a team of professionals and receive medication. It's sad to say, but jail is jail and guards don't care about whether you're guilty, innocent, sane, insane ect. Their job is to react to an inmate's behaviour. It's sad but the jail should have done more to ensure her mental wellbeing, but it must have been difficult when the perpetrator or a crime must face the concequences but also needs additional assistance.
It's obvious that she brought all this punishment on herself. All she had to do was follow simple directions and she chose not to. She could have been out of there in a month, one month if she had sucked it it up and behaved. I have no pity for her, she was an incorrigible human being and you can't tell me that she was incapable of behaving herself on any level, you have to take responsibility for your actions, we all do things every day that we don't want to and I don't feel she was mentally ill. All she had to do was stop and I am truly sorry that she never figured that out.
if corrections is abut people relationships and nonsense then why segregation and isolation
When i was a teen, i was placed in a treatment facility housing kids from ages 4-17. The staff were not trained, they didnt want to be there, college kids just getting easy pay. This was a place that was suppose to provide kids with agriculture therapy and ourdoor therapy. Beautiful property, youd think this would be ideal for any disturbed patient. But no. Theyd lock us in our rooms and not allow us to go outside. My first week there I always wondered why kids wouldnt comply. But you literaly go crazy! When there is nothing but you and your mind locked in a room, bored to death, not a good mix. Only thing to do is to fight. This is not ok. I understand there is lack of funding and staff but wtf. Sexual predators, child abusers, molesters, rapist do not get treated like this!!! Not fair. I hate our system.
Agreed
So how do you control such a disturbed youth like this, a nice chat and a cup of tea? a one-sided programme I think.
Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a DSM sited mental illness. The fact that what we are seeing here are the tapped interactions makes it appear there is some level of accountability... but a lack of therapeutic talent on the part of the institution. Unfortunately, these people don't really have a tool box for dealing with an issue they've seen a hundred time and that's the real crime. A metal cell is no place to put a child who suffers from an obvious chemical imbalance and requires interpersonal support. It's a pity for everyone involved.
I agree
Your spelling is awful
Melanie Willard sorry? What you said makes zero sense
TMIDiva it's a pity for the kids locked up and only them. it's a shame for everyone involved my axx
You're mostly right. Let's assume that someone with a conscious and a love for kids is being instructed by management that THIS is the way they need to deal with THIS behavior. They're being trained in a way that goes against their instinct.....and that would be to handle it differently. Don't get me wrong, I know that some hard a^^ sadists love to work in a place where they can oppress and punish, but the fact the whole interaction was on video makes me think there's a "cover you a^^" issue at this place and management might be trying to dodge some heat....unknowingly drawing more of it. Pity....but for the stupidity.
She should have gone to a treatment center for troubled children.
So in Canada you can be tried twice for the same crime, even if it's not murder?
After she turned 18 she should have been released. Then as an adult if she messed up again, go back in to the system.
If you treat people horribly they will take that in, and who knows how they will react.
This is not the right way, I don't know the right way but this isn't it.
"If you treat people horribly..."
Good description of her behaviour
*This is a healing environment*
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I'm totally disgusted in the way they did this young women. Instead of the "special treatment" of ignoring the choking, how about they realized she needed one on one real help, love, and care by professionals. She was different but not alone in her self destructive behavior. If you constantly treat someone as though they are nothing what is their reaction expected to be? I realize no one is perfect not the staff or Ashley. But I pray that you folks are looking at other measures for ppl like this in the future. She won't be the last to have problems.
I read possible racism against Ashley
I was hoping that she get out and get married to live happily ever after.
This is a crazy messed up story , my heart goes out to her mother , terrible what she went though !!