What's The Deal With BJJ Belt Tests?

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    VIDEO DESCRIPTION
    Rick Ellis discusses his belt tests in Jiu Jitsu, exploring why they can be a very powerful rite of passage.
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Комментарии • 125

  • @rockymarcianobrasil317
    @rockymarcianobrasil317 Месяц назад +8

    I am Brazilian and over here more and more academias have belt tests. It's a nightmare that lasts for months. The level of skills and number of techniques have no end. And it turns Jitsu from fun into tons of worries.
    This demonstration thing sounds fun. Roll with the flow.
    The real test is and day to day. Is embracing the journey and fighting kids, monsters, new guys and shortly debriefing the training in a way that helps you being aware of how good things went and keeping in mind most of the new informations lightly and effortless.

  • @terrynichol577
    @terrynichol577 Месяц назад +9

    Everyday on the mats is a test with your coach or professor and your training partners, your professor will know, that's the test

  • @midwestmartialartsacademy
    @midwestmartialartsacademy Месяц назад +1

    We will see you there!!!

  • @danilecashin4126
    @danilecashin4126 Месяц назад

    Jimmy purple belt demonstration was what introduced me to roy and his teaching. Ive been following him and now your work as well 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @TheTrudean
    @TheTrudean Месяц назад +8

    Listen, Blue Belt requirements changed my life as a white belt. Now, as a Brown Belt, I still cycle through some of those old videos.

    • @msag6033
      @msag6033 17 дней назад

      how did the blue belt requirements change your life ?

    • @TheTrudean
      @TheTrudean 16 дней назад

      @@msag6033 It gave me guidance and a solid reference point for the fundamentals that I should be learning at white belt. It also taught me how to learn and how to prioritize my training.

  • @kenaikyoshi416
    @kenaikyoshi416 Месяц назад

    Beautiful. Thanks for the great content, as always

  • @robmaviglia8568
    @robmaviglia8568 Месяц назад +1

    I follow you and your fantastic channel since I started practicing bjj (2 years ago),,, I'm a 2 stripe white belt (of 49 years), and I found "here" a lot of interesting contents,,, tnks 4 that
    In the gym where I go, every time is a test on the mat , that is the way our professor (a fresh black belt of 40 years) runs his dojo... as you perfectly now (you told it multiple times in videos), there are good days , and horrible days ,,, consistency and perseverance are rare qualities , and make the difference.

  • @justinribbens2337
    @justinribbens2337 Месяц назад

    My gym does a test for blue and purple. My fiancé and I have started planning the structures for our blue belt tests. It has been an amazing experience to work on this together highlighting the differences in body type and strength.

  • @kennetholsen6314
    @kennetholsen6314 Месяц назад +2

    Also from a Roy Harris lineage.
    I am split, it's very proscriptive, and very focused on that type of pedagogy.
    However it does keep the standard up.
    It does force people to have a well rounded skill set.

  • @ravilangabriel6689
    @ravilangabriel6689 Месяц назад

    One the best channels. This demo and rite of passage should be passed on

  • @christophervelez1561
    @christophervelez1561 Месяц назад +3

    I think the test is good as long as it is not charged. The fact that you're not paying to test allows for the test to remain with integrity. Where I think most people have an issue with tests when money is tied to it. I think the belt test can be good especially for people that aren't competing to put something difficult to mark the occasion.

  • @ericparis224
    @ericparis224 Месяц назад

    Great video! I think from the outside at the time the old school guys like me did see it as strange and karate like or like a belt sale for a school that needed to pay a light bill. It looked like that from an uneducated person like myself. I could have mistakenly made this assumption. However I think your description of the experience brings nuance and shows you have to do whatever you feel is necessary to demonstrate your knowledge and skill. I look up to great martial artists and you guys certainly are that. I think most coaches do a similar thing just through time and observation instead of a making sure before the promotion. These videos are great, thank you.

  • @DrBillRoach
    @DrBillRoach Месяц назад +4

    The Gracie Combatives test is by definition a demonstration. I started at a CTC and went through that test. People joke about it but that test was rough.
    However, now I train at a school that doesn’t require tests. I am a brown belt and haven’t had a test in years. There are strengths and weaknesses to both approaches.
    I also have black belts in other martial arts. Both required tests all along the path. You definitely prepare differently for a test and have to “own” the techniques for the day. I also will never forget those tests days until the day I die.
    In short, I like the demonstration approach.

    • @TheGunnyBadger03xx
      @TheGunnyBadger03xx Месяц назад +2

      I went through the Gracie Combative DVDs as a brown belt and have a fond appreciation for them. While not perfect, I think they're an EXCELLENT intro to BJJ for those who are learning the art and have limited time and experience. Sparring with MMA gloves is also an eye-opener for many. The punch-block series is $$$

    • @DrBillRoach
      @DrBillRoach Месяц назад

      @@TheGunnyBadger03xx have you seen the updated version? It has just released.

    • @TheGunnyBadger03xx
      @TheGunnyBadger03xx Месяц назад +1

      @@DrBillRoach Yes. I bought them on release day.

  • @juliusthompson4794
    @juliusthompson4794 Месяц назад

    We have a very similar approach to are testing at the school I train at, and I honestly love that approach. I like the pressure of expectations and the eyes being on you. I just received my purple belt and the way that test grew from blue to purple was huge. The number of guard passes (20+), sweeps, escapes, takedowns, and combinations. Then the shark tank. For me it was just the right amount of physical and mental stress. That going through it allowed me to feel that I earned this rank.

  • @RicoMnc
    @RicoMnc Месяц назад +1

    I was tested for my blue belt. It was at one of multiple locations of our "brand" of school which did not have regular presence of a black belt during our training. The main instructor at this school was a brown belt, but he was a very excellent instructor, plenty capable of taking white belts to blue belt. FWIW this school did not stripe white belts at all. We were the newest school and had mostly white belts.
    The other locations did not test for blue belts because they had black belts there who were able to train and observe the progress of their students and award a blue belt when they were satisfied with the progress.
    Sometimes students from our school would travel to another location to test, and other blue belts there would sometimes comment they weren't sure they could pass this testing. I'm sure they could.
    It was all but a done deal by the time we tested. Our instructor had already let us know he was focusing our training on preparing for the test a few weeks ahead of time. Our testing curriculum only included about 40 fundamental BJJ techniques, but added about 30 from the traditional Gracie self-defense curriculum, sometimes called "Gracie Combatives". Not all of them were tested.
    I remember three distinct reactions from the grading black belt. 1. "Good", 2. "Eh, ok", 3. "oooh, we gotta' fix this", the last one followed by a discussion and going over the technique again. I mostly got the "eh", with a couple "good", and only one remedial review, heh.
    Nobody failed that session.

  • @daddad6127
    @daddad6127 Месяц назад +1

    Requirements for us is usually entering a tournament. Also the student must roll with the professor and show good skills.

  • @justBlake11
    @justBlake11 Месяц назад +3

    I prefer it being up to the coach to decide and it not being a spectacle you have to put on in front of a crowd. For me it would be difficult because of brain fog even if I knew all the techniques I feel like I would fold under the pressure and that's probably a common thing that can happen.

    • @fromsamuraitoscience7184
      @fromsamuraitoscience7184 Месяц назад

      Who would be the crowd? I did gradings like this in judo and bjj, it was me, my partner and the examiners in the room, no issues with that

    • @Decado1628
      @Decado1628 Месяц назад

      That freezing up is actually one of the reasons we do test. It demonstrates that you know the material in stressful situations.

    • @Decado1628
      @Decado1628 Месяц назад

      @@fromsamuraitoscience7184 during our tests we have our coaches, other students who are testing, students that just want to observe a test to see what they are in for watching. It adds stress to those that are not used to having all eyes on them.

  • @fromsamuraitoscience7184
    @fromsamuraitoscience7184 Месяц назад +2

    Problem in bjj is nothing is really standardised even within one province of the same country. I remember having to relocate a couple of times due to work before getting a blue belt, each time under a different coach. Some had a curriculum which differed, others not even a curriculum

  • @joshhackett6639
    @joshhackett6639 Месяц назад

    I trained with you and Jimmy in bend! Got my 4 stripes as a wb there. Actually ran into Donald a cpl years back up here in the Portland area at my gym, Impact jj. I'm so fortunate the have had roy and you guys provide me with a solid foundation. I've had instructors call me out and tell me they see Roy in my rolls. Miss that place and so happy to see your growth Rick!

    • @TheArtofSkill
      @TheArtofSkill  Месяц назад +1

      Hi Josh! That’s so cool! Say hi to Mike Chapman next time you see him at Impact.

    • @joshhackett6639
      @joshhackett6639 Месяц назад

      @@TheArtofSkill will do man! Have a great weekend and keep up the great videos for us old guys!

  • @uwillnevahno6837
    @uwillnevahno6837 Месяц назад +2

    There should be a list of skills provided to a student/practitioner that they can be objectively measured against and more importantly use to measure their progress AND weaknesses.
    I miss the mat.
    I don't miss being told "We're all on a journey, it's different for each of us but we can't give you anything but ambiguity in measuring progress. You just need to go out on the mat, get thrown around by senior belts and not get any feedback of where you need to improve/what you're doing wrong."
    Since the journey is different for all of us we adapted teaching styles.
    I remember an over 40 Brown Belt, tossed me during a pass the guard session in 2 seconds and was like "next". WTF I didn't learn a thing.
    Retired zero stripe white belt.

    • @Psichlo1
      @Psichlo1 Месяц назад

      That isn't all BJJ gyms. You should always be able to talk to a coach and ask about where your weaknesses and strengths are and what you should work on. Having said that, as you train longer and longer, it becomes more difficult for a professor to objectively tell you things because you are developing your own game, and in order for those techniques and concepts to work for you, you have to find where your own weaknesses and strengths are and work to close the holes in your game. That isn't to say that the coaches can't help, but there is tendency to teach how you learned or to influence other to roll as you do because it's what you know. The great thing about the world we live in today is that there is a limitless resource that can help with just about any issue that you may be having, the only difficulty is sifting through the worthless garbage and picking and choosing information that furthers your game and knowledge of Jiu Jitsu. Cheers

  • @bradf9977
    @bradf9977 Месяц назад +3

    I demonstrate im worthy everyday!!!

  • @BachausX
    @BachausX Месяц назад

    Coming from a Karate background, I like the tests they make sense. I know what is expected of me for each belt, and still get to build skills based on our inclination and body capabilities for a quiver of techniques to draw from.

  • @aeryck4665
    @aeryck4665 Месяц назад +1

    I might have to mention that Old Grappler Summit in class. I'm just over 40 but we got some real geezers in there! (who can all wreck me without sweating)

  • @robertarcher4308
    @robertarcher4308 Месяц назад +2

    The school I attend requires two-part tests with a demonstration of techniques, and live rolls that include a 10-minute shark tank to wrap up the rolling. To pass the tests I've been fortunate to be able to take part in privates with Coach to go over the techniques that are required. The techniques are tailored to my skills based on the test requirements, including multiple takedowns, guard passes, submissions, submission escapes, etc.

    • @DonGately
      @DonGately Месяц назад +1

      And he charged you for the privates and the test.

    • @robertarcher4308
      @robertarcher4308 Месяц назад

      @@DonGately Yes. I don't mind however, he is grading the test and he's looking for specific movements within the techniques. I could test without the privates, but it is my choice to pay for the extra lessons.

  • @FR-ty5vn
    @FR-ty5vn Месяц назад

    I love ❤ all the Roy Dean demonstrations - I train under Royce black belts and we test for every belt - blue was tournament style - purple was mainly self-defense - brown is coming up for me, will be self-defense and yes, we roll as well…I always wondered if those who are fresh go a little lighter knowing the person testing under Roy has it all in the line and is already tired…or it’s really no mercy?!

  • @austinmarshalldad
    @austinmarshalldad Месяц назад

    We do more of the second part demonstrations for belt ranks. Positional sparring and objectives. Then 5 x 5 minute rounds of sparring. Makes for about two hours of exhaustion.

  • @andrewmc2445
    @andrewmc2445 Месяц назад +12

    I have mixed feelings - as a 50 year old in a class largely dominated by people 10-30+ years younger, the thought of testing out from blue to purple and rolling with other blues / purples / others fills me with dread for a demonstration - there is just not a significant enough gap in skill level v youthful strength and exuberence that wouldnt mean I dont end up on the losing side. I think there is a lot of merit to the "kata" type approach, almost every single time I leave a class I think about a situation and realise I knew I could have done something else, I just do not consider it at the time, for example I got caught with a double leg by a young wrestler and all I could think was "oh s&&&" but when I left I was like why didnt i hit the guillotine and sprawl, I obviously know it, I just didnt think of it

    • @mouthguardcomic
      @mouthguardcomic Месяц назад +3

      I am 50 years old as well (Brown Belt, one stripe) and face the same younger crowd too. However, I believe that my skill level has always been a hedge against any other factor. Also, I believe that my style of grappling has naturally kept me in good stead. I have a Judo background, so I have always been able to dominate most BJJ guys in stand up and this include most former middle and high school wrestlers (since most wrestled in high school or middle school years ago).
      My stand up allows me to get the takedown and dominant positions from the start. Additionally, I have gotten so good at pinning, I can usually control the grappling situation from start to finish. I avoid trying to tap out my rolling partners multiple times during a roll, because that leads to constant resets and over multiple rolls that leads to too many scrambles and transitional battles. To round out my game, I work guard and back defense with lower belts. Additionally, a few years ago, I concentrated on escapes for a long period of time. That confidence of not worrying about being submitted helps me go on the offense without worrying about being submitted.

    • @aeryck4665
      @aeryck4665 Месяц назад +1

      Focus on your frames and breathing, maintain pressure and don't let their energy infect you with the same drive. Keep your own energy level at one you can maintain. Limit explosive movements for the right moments. Those younger guys will wear themselves out on you and practically beg for a submission so they can rest.

  • @Oktanesevensun
    @Oktanesevensun Месяц назад

    Devin Henry was at Kadena Airbase

  • @Shinbusan
    @Shinbusan Месяц назад +2

    I am fresh after black belt exam in aikido. And two years ago I got blue belt in bjj. Black belt was long preparations and it happen to be a big thing in my life. I was really happy after graduating.
    Blue belt - I still feel like an imposter. I do not think I really earned it. Although I got it right after winning country championships in white belts in master class.
    So as far as I love to get something for free ;) , I really appreciate earned belts much more.

    • @RicoMnc
      @RicoMnc Месяц назад

      "I still feel like an imposter" - Almost 2 years as a blue belt and still feel this way sometimes. I've had some really good sessions with relatively experienced white belts close to my size where I was able to flow and move, work on technique and not get too intense, felt almost like I had super powers, but I still often get shut down and overwhelmed by larger, stronger, younger athletic white belts at times. FWIW 63 year old 130 lb blue belt.

  • @Tomclarkdeathshred
    @Tomclarkdeathshred Месяц назад

    Is it normal to kind of want to stay at a certain belt? I’m 4 stripe purple and loving it here! Grading is coming up and I have mixed feelings and it not that I’m someone who has that belt but gets smashed by blues and purples. Maybe it’s my ego wanting to feel like I’m decent for my belt?

  • @calvin6715
    @calvin6715 Месяц назад +1

    When I watch the blue belt demos, it makes me question how I got my blue belt knowing so few techniques.

  • @AlexisMigueles
    @AlexisMigueles Месяц назад +3

    This is Brazilian Jiujitsu, do you like "tradition"? ok th BJJ tradition is earn your bealt in every roll for years and years. That is the test. And a bjj practicioner is no joke. Its no "bullshido" (they have test certanly) More than 10 years (and many injures) to become a black belt. Let the "test" to japan. I have a work, and family

  • @kromeknifemind
    @kromeknifemind Месяц назад

    I am a ronin. No particular school I train at. I just travel and learn from schools around the world.

  • @Psichlo1
    @Psichlo1 Месяц назад

    I have no problem with the idea as RIck talks about here. The only issue that I have as I have experienced is that it can turn into an attempt to validate a promotion. Having said that, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you get striped or promoted, as long as you keep coming to class and rolling you will gain the same skill. I would rather spend a longer amount of time at a belt and just keep getting better and better than to rush to a promotion, and feel like I can't back that rank up. To use a cliche I have heard and do believe to be true, "if you didn't get promoted, then keep training, if you did get promoted, keep training, nothing changes. The variety in which gyms set their promotion standards is one of things that contributes to the frustration at the beginning of BJJ. A lot of gyms don't have a set performance level that they look for, and it seems like it varies from student to student, which makes it hard when you're starting to focus on the things you really need to work on. As I have trained longer and longer, I have found that fundamentals get lost on a lot of people who train for longer. Fundamentals will absolutely make or break your journey and it's good to refresh yourself regularly on concepts and fundamentals and worry less about specific techniques. Just my 2 cents. Love your videos Rick. Keep em coming.

  • @skuirrelTV
    @skuirrelTV Месяц назад

    Can someone fail a demonstration? Has that happened before in your lineage?

  • @MitchMacLeod-mr5pw
    @MitchMacLeod-mr5pw 24 дня назад

    Can't say I would ever submit myself to a belt test or promotion class.

  • @78logistics
    @78logistics Месяц назад

    At 65 I no longer submit to testing or promotion rituals of any kind. And don't compete. Juat happy to be on the mats four or five times a week. I leave all that stress to others. I fully anticipate never being promoted as a result. If someone decides I am worthy of promotion fine, I will accept the belt graciously and probably switch to No Gi exclusively.

  • @Paintballman251
    @Paintballman251 Месяц назад

    If I had to do a belt test I would just stay a white belt. You still gain the knowledge as you train after all.

  • @jaycie2213
    @jaycie2213 Месяц назад

    May I ask you how old you were when you got your blue belt?

  • @danilecashin4126
    @danilecashin4126 Месяц назад

    I thought and still think it was brilliant how roy did the belt testing/demo. Yes I had to do a test and demo ( both) for my blue-black belt.

  • @tededo
    @tededo Месяц назад +1

    I miss somethings here. Roy yells the command of the technique and you perform it ? Later, you put together some combos on your own without him telling you ?

    • @TheArtofSkill
      @TheArtofSkill  Месяц назад +2

      Huh? No, nothing like that at all. He give you a list: I want to see 4 guard passes, 4 sweeps, 4 throws, etc. And I want you to create 10 multi-technique sequences. It's up to you to assemble it and show up ready to perform that day.

    • @tededo
      @tededo Месяц назад

      @@TheArtofSkill 10 multi-tech ? Like each set of 10 is including, 10 techniques and moves linked together ?

    • @JRBardown
      @JRBardown Месяц назад +1

      @@tededo going from closed guard to triangle choke to omoplata. = one multi (2) technique sequence example. Do something like that, 10 times.

  • @Paintballman251
    @Paintballman251 Месяц назад

    I hope that belt tests/demonstrations do not become the norm in bjj.

  • @mr.saturn7833
    @mr.saturn7833 Месяц назад +19

    Isn’t the whole point of training four to six times a week for months and eventually years, and the fact that you go against your instructor and higher belts enough to earn you a belt? Seriously, people have careers and jobs! At some point time becomes a factor. I always thought that a martial art’s purpose was twofold, to make you adequately competent in a self-defense situation and to keep you physically fit. Also, I do way more NoGi than Gi, how does that square with tradition?

    • @William.H.Bonney
      @William.H.Bonney Месяц назад +8

      Relax buddy. If your school doesn’t do belt tests what are you tripping out for lol

    • @tearsintherain6311
      @tearsintherain6311 Месяц назад +2

      It’s just different approaches, even with belt tests it’s way different from judo and other martial arts where they literally just do kata and have a specific curriculum. In BJJ the belt means proficiency, not knowledge.
      A good reason for belt tests for example are, say you study with a lower belt like brown belt, or a newer black belt. Now imagine his black belt teacher, who is the highest in the dojos lineage only rolls with you every few days or weeks. He doesn’t see you roll every day, he might not know how you roll in a good day vs a bad day, he doesn’t see your progress as well as your “main” instructor, but out of respect he is the one who gives the promotions because he is the most senior. Your instructor might tell him he thinks you’re ready but you still have to prove yourself to him, that is one reason for tests.
      Another similar reason is because maybe your dojo belongs to a family or “clan” (idk how they call them in America but this is a Brazilian concept that comes from Japan, similar to yakuza and samurai “families” or clans)
      Rules might say that your instructor gives out stripes but every month you all go to the main dojo of your clan and the leader of the clan gives out belts. How does he know the instructors are doing a good job with choosing who gets promoted? He has to make sure the other branches of his school is promoting students correctly or it could affect his image. That’s another reason for tests
      As you might imagine this is mostly a traditional thing, bjj has a lot of influence of Zen Buddhism where the lineage is very important, a monk studying with a master would identify himself as the masters student, because in Japan the culture of master and apprentice was how people knew how a worker was as legit, in a time before government certification and school systems this was how things were done and it’s why it exists
      So instead of saying I am X type of monk or X type of martial artist you would say I follow master X or (last name x) style
      It’s why mcdojos always make up a fake “ryu” name cause they’re trying to emulate how Japan martial arts used to be

    • @mr.saturn7833
      @mr.saturn7833 Месяц назад +2

      @@William.H.Bonney I’m not tripping, it’s a comment. Just something to say. Nobody gives a crap about your comment or mine. Also, I’ve trained at number of schools over the years, that’s the test, how you advance and grow. If what you’re doing works against a resisting opponent, then you’re on the right track. Finally, you pay to train, that’s good enough.

    • @William.H.Bonney
      @William.H.Bonney Месяц назад +2

      @@mr.saturn7833 well that’s just like your opinion man…

    • @mr.saturn7833
      @mr.saturn7833 Месяц назад

      @@tearsintherain6311 Detailed explanation. No doubt tradition is a part of the martial arts community, but the reality is that it’s also a business and young people don’t see it that way anymore. Some don’t care much for the old ways. I personally love history and knowledge, but not in training. My oldest son is twenty-four, he’s been training for six years and does strictly NoGi. He played football and wrestled, it’s just a way to keep training for him, except now he’s not just good at takedowns, but he’s also good at guillotines and leg locks. He doesn’t even think about a belt or promotions. When everyone is wearing a rash-guard and shorts, they’re just fighters.

  • @travistaliaferro5542
    @travistaliaferro5542 Месяц назад +1

    I'm a newly minted Royce Gracie Blue Belt. For my academy , there is a belt ceremony put together. Live rolling with 50-60 people. Those who are tested are first wore out and then brought to the back for fundamentals testing adequate for your rank. I noticed this time around those who tested for Brown Belt , a similar demonstration was required. Black belts are only awarded by Royce at a private location with only black belts. 😎

  • @user-bj4nk8sq5k
    @user-bj4nk8sq5k Месяц назад

    Don't believe in colour belts; believe in your training.

  • @Polarzbek
    @Polarzbek Месяц назад

    White belt here, close to blue I'm told. My academy does mostly the old school way of spontaneous promotions, though often the person knows in advance and gets sparring similar to what you describe with fresh opponents. Or, sometimes people are promoted during some other bigger event like a seminar.
    I recently competed, and while I didn't win anything there my game improved drastically. I have more sweeps, new subs, and better escapes than ever before b/c of that experience. You are spot on there.
    What I like about the demonstration method of promotion is it gives you a chance to show off during the "kata" portion. I have way more techniques than what comes out in rolling. Let's face it, sometimes your opponent has a better day than you, so you can't possibly show everything you know. The chance to show off what you know and invite your family to come watch is something that appeals to me.

  • @Decado1628
    @Decado1628 Месяц назад

    I am not sure if you observed a test when you trained with us in Maine. As a Brown belt at the Academy in Maine I have tested for every stripe for every belt. Every test includes random review questions from any of your previous tests. Every 4th stripe test includes a Shark Tank where the duration increases as your rank goes up. Black Belt test is a different animal. You have to demo everything on the curriculum starting with white belt warmups all the way through brown belt. The shark tank for Black Belt has no time limit but averages 45 minutes to an hour. I think the record has been 55 people to roll against. Although testing is always stressful the thought process behind the why & how we test is excellent.

    • @TheArtofSkill
      @TheArtofSkill  Месяц назад +1

      Yeah, I did. Jay Jack takes the concept to a whole ‘nother level! His black belt test are terrifying.

    • @Decado1628
      @Decado1628 Месяц назад

      @@TheArtofSkill Yes it is!

  • @michaelsands9963
    @michaelsands9963 Месяц назад

    What? Rick was a white belt?

  • @tededo
    @tededo Месяц назад

    The last academy I registered and attended last year had a brutal curriculum for the guys. Most of em did the test and often were forced to layoff for a few months, cause injuries would result du to the severity of the sparrings during the testing.
    The new school I'm a part of has no curriculum. The instructor will follow a linear protocol to stripe up or belt students. Last year, few guys (adults) ranked up from white to blue and one from blue to purple.
    Later on, few good white belts got stripes up, then the kids saw a rampage of stripes and belt up for a while.
    I can tell if a blue belt got decent skill last year, and I came in almost a year late after him, I know he'll get striped up and much later belt up since I came in late.
    The key component is improvement/evolution/transformation.
    The instructor rather have guys overdue as opposed to underrated. Guys get stripes up and belt up under a very slow and controlled steady pace to the discretion of the instructor. In the meantime, each one need 4 stripes on his belt before ranking up to the next belt.
    The anecdotical story I love to tell is when a decent blue belt 3 stripes visits us, and I manage to technically get the best of him, and I have no stripe on my blue. Just love this.

  • @danielskrivan6921
    @danielskrivan6921 Месяц назад

    I come from a TKD (3rd degree) and HKD (1st degree) background. I'm now a blue belt in BJJ. I really wish I had something like this to get my blue belt. It would definitely help with the imposter syndrome if I did something concrete and objective to earn it.
    Even just in training BJJ, I often feel aimless. There's so much to learn. If I had a specific set of items that I needed to work towards, I feel it would help.
    Don't get me wrong, I love my gym, the coaches, the people I train with. It's not something I would leave the gym over. But it is something that I think would be nice.

    • @moremoney2264
      @moremoney2264 Месяц назад

      Set micro goals for yourself when you roll. “Today my goal is knee on belly” etc

  • @MongooseJJ
    @MongooseJJ Месяц назад

    It’s probably the best way to accurately promote someone alongside world championships success.
    Everyone should do this.
    Everyone is saying that belts don’t matter because they don’t mean anything anymore as they do not accurately reflect the level of someone and mat time isn’t accurate either.
    This is the best method overall.

    • @Bradley9967
      @Bradley9967 Месяц назад +1

      You could just say that once you win 3 competitions at a level, you go onto the next. The problem with these tests are 1 it's different from one academy to the next.
      2 A technical demonstration doesn't translate into being good at sparring. It also harms performance by making you less meta stable.

  • @chriswilsonyu2599
    @chriswilsonyu2599 Месяц назад

    Nope, no requirements - we're on the "Brazilian" method :) As a former Aikido brown belt, I do kind of miss the demonstration testing, and wish we would do at least a little something like this. On average the "instructor perception" approach works out OK, at least at my gym, but I think clearer expectations plus demonstration testing would actually foster better development in the sport of jiu-jitsu. It would also fine tune the instructor perception with a more levelized field of observation, rather than the more haphazard impressions gained from watching a room full of people drill techniques or roll during open mat.

  • @jeffreydamonte67
    @jeffreydamonte67 Месяц назад

    Belt tests are a big step towards turning BJJ into Karate Kata BS. BJJ should be more like wrestling, boxing, and Muy Thai and less like karate and TKD. If you want to prove yourself go to competition and practice for that, don’t arrange a jiu jitsu recital it’s painful to watch.

  • @shawng746
    @shawng746 Месяц назад +2

    Our association does testing for belt promotions. This has been a point of friction for me. My coach tried for a LONG time to get me to test for my blue belt. I finally just explained to him that I wasn't there for belts. That I have no desire to teach in the future or to ever compete, so "sandbagging" would never be an issue. I'm simply there because I enjoy it, it's something for me to do with my son, it helps me stay for, and I enjoy the people. Formal tests take the fun out of it for me. I told him that as long as I'm getting better and still enjoying it, I'll keep coming. He eventually just decided I wasn't going to test and promoted me.

    • @sliderx1897
      @sliderx1897 Месяц назад

      Just take the test bro. Dont make things difficult for your instructor if he does things a certain way. You are also setting a good example to your kid by showing you respect the instructor and his methods.

  • @mouthguardcomic
    @mouthguardcomic Месяц назад +1

    When I had my final test in front of my Ph.D. committee, I had six months to prepare. I studied for eight hours a day, every day up until that time. I have never felt as smart as I did on that day. Every question they asked, I was able to answer with a sharpness that shocked me. I felt like a superhero. I can relate.

  • @sliderx1897
    @sliderx1897 Месяц назад

    Anyone associated with seibukan jj should read the book the true believers by louis d martin

  • @user-bj4nk8sq5k
    @user-bj4nk8sq5k Месяц назад

    Colour belts don't mean nothing.

    • @78logistics
      @78logistics Месяц назад

      So they mean everything?

  • @apaiva788
    @apaiva788 Месяц назад +1

    Nope...this kinda stuff is a big turn off for me...we roll multiple times a night...your instructor knows what level you are without some special demo...just my opinion

  • @Bradley9967
    @Bradley9967 Месяц назад

    So I have problems with this.
    My first instructor was super traditional, Brazilian, old fashioned and cult like.
    Warm up, techniques, drills and sparring. You couldn't ask questions.
    My second teacher (same school) was friendly completely professional, a qualified teacher and still taught techniques.
    Finally I went to an ecological school.
    Here techniques weren't taught but we were given task based games.
    It shocked me how good his students were.
    I now realise that techniques shouldn't be taught, so there's nothing to be demonstrated.
    It's also amazed me how good I've got not learning techniques. You do different things depending on the situation, I may only do something once in the same way in my life.
    I also don't agree with the philosophy of jiu-jitsu "position before submission" this is bad for several reasons.
    It means your myopic about forcing certain positions to get certain submissions. It's like saying "The only way we will score goals is by first getting the ball to halfway point, then always passing it to bob, no matter where he is on the field "
    There's a reason kit dale got his black belt in 4 years, he didn't learn techniques.
    I believe more in the philosophy of catch wrestling. You catch anything anyway you can and you see how your partner responds and what that opens up. Your more fluid and meta stable with your thinking.
    It upsets me that techniques are taught as it's not fair for begginers and slows down learning. Only those that have seen the other way of teaching come to the same way of thinking.

  • @justinjex1
    @justinjex1 Месяц назад

    Of all the cultural trends that BJJ has that is wrong, is the “on the podium promotion”. This is the most despicable ways to disrespect the competitors. You know, they get their gold on the stand, and then…Surprise, you get a belt promotion . To me this reveals that this individual was really more advanced than how they were representing themselves. Surprise blue belt, you actually lost to a purple belt. Or whatever belt you want ( fill in the blank.) It really is bad.

    • @Bradley9967
      @Bradley9967 Месяц назад

      A referee upon seeing the promotion should disqualify that person on the grounds of sandbaging.
      I simply don't buy that he went up a belt level in the last 5 minutes.

  • @madprophet4790
    @madprophet4790 26 дней назад

    I loathe belt tests. Absolutely useless

  • @curraja14
    @curraja14 Месяц назад +1

    jiu jitsu kata? no thanks.

  • @Speciation
    @Speciation Месяц назад

    Glad my school doesn't have tests... sounds stupid.

  • @brentreichert2998
    @brentreichert2998 Месяц назад +1

    Belt testing is for egomaniacle teachers

  • @TherealJohnMarshall
    @TherealJohnMarshall Месяц назад +1

    Belt tests are dumb. Instead of focusing on belt promotions, focus on acquiring useful skills 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @moremoney2264
      @moremoney2264 Месяц назад +1

      You need certains skills to get a promotion thats the reason for testing

    • @TherealJohnMarshall
      @TherealJohnMarshall Месяц назад

      @@moremoney2264 Does testing prove skill? Or is it something someone can prepare and rehearse for?

    • @jdog4303
      @jdog4303 Месяц назад

      @@moremoney2264 Or live rolling proves the skills. I have never had to test for any belts. My professor decided I was ready and just awarded the belt.

    • @moremoney2264
      @moremoney2264 Месяц назад

      @@TherealJohnMarshall testing can prove knowledge just like any test other test a student prepares for

    • @moremoney2264
      @moremoney2264 Месяц назад

      @@jdog4303 i got mine off of live rolling. As a white belt i had to test for each stripe to show i had an understanding and the basic moves transitions & submissions

  • @solotx8798
    @solotx8798 Месяц назад

    The idea of belts is so cringey.

  • @michaelchen3208
    @michaelchen3208 Месяц назад +1

    Professor RickEllis, Where is your Dojo / Academy’s Location to visit?

    • @TheArtofSkill
      @TheArtofSkill  Месяц назад +2

      My home base these days is at Clark Gracie’s in San Diego. I sold my school.

    • @michaelchen3208
      @michaelchen3208 Месяц назад +1

      @@TheArtofSkill How could I contact you?

    • @TheArtofSkill
      @TheArtofSkill  Месяц назад

      @@michaelchen3208 rick@rickellis.com