Waves Audio Doesn't Care About Me or You!
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2023
- Waves Audio Doesn't Care About Me or You!
@RiotHomeRecording
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I'm not paying for any plug-in subscriptions, ever. Neither should you.
Yes sir!
I concur. I have spent hundreds on waves plugins. This subscription is bullshit!
Right on!😢
@@RiotHomeRecording Well. As of today, waves has brought back perpetual licenses. They heard the complaints!! Have to give them credit for admitting they were wrong
"Waves Audio Doesn't Care", so true. This is a wake up call to all people interested in making music. The only plug-ins I'll buy will be software synths from here on in.
If we subscribe to DAW's, plug-ins, photo editing, video editing, operating systems, etc., etc then we'll have no money to run a car, heat our home, buy food and clothes, and afford gifts at Christmas. Waves will get nothing from me.
You 100% correct! They get no more money from me
I am rethinking plug ins vs hardware. You make a great point. They can't take the hardware from ya
+1 here. I mean …listen to Riots Mixes…they do sound amazing…and his great Sound don’t come from any Plugin. Maybe a little consolation at this Point. Regarding to your Toolset @Riot….Heads up ….there are so many good Plugins out there without a Subscription Model.
Man! Your words along with some ( a lot of ) others, got them to their knees. They will do the old style of business along with subscription now. 4 hours ago.... Thanks!
AMEN! This is why it’s important to have hardware and you nailed it. They can’t take it away from you. I use both.
“What a shame” i felt that one in my chest man 😂
“It’s the principle” .. Facts! 💯
In the late 90’s, I had their Renaissance Compressor and EQ. My computer crashed and I contacted them to get the challenge response so I could reinstall the plugins. The said they don’t support that version anymore and wouldn’t give it to me. They told me I had to buy a later version. I didn’t need or want a later version. I just wanted to reinstall the same plugin on the exact same system. I have never bought a Waves plugin since.
Yes! You summarized it perfectly, they're holding their plugins hostage and we're supposed to pay for their release.
Correction: they are holding our plugins hostage. Remember: You've already payed for them.
@@dirtyharry1881 And they wanted us to pay again and again. But they've folded now, they're bringing back the perpetual licenses alongside the subscription plan, still a trash move in my opinion.
They’re milking on the same plugin code for the last 20 years. They should be ashamed for asking more on those old ones.
It's like buying a house, forced to give it back if you need any repair work, then pay rent to live there
Uh?
Wow, I can't belive they just went back on it. Well done, everyone. I have lost soo much software to rip off subscription only services over the last few years, I wish more companies would care about costumer feedback.
Don't patronize subscription plug ins. Protest anytime a subscription service is promoted by RUclipsrs
I remember talking with a, "big time" engineer about 12-15 years ago on this very topic. he said this was going to happen, and now it has, which is why I chose(then) to go with all outboard gear. never did get into plug ins, like most have, and I'm grateful that I didn't.
They wont be getting any more cash out of me - Plugin Alliance & Arturia here I come!!!
Kudos for speaking up. Too many youtubers are rounding up the corners, whereas in fact it's a huge shame for Waves.
This is the reason why I don't update my Windows.I don't want to pay again and again.But this time is time for good bye forever Waaves.Enough is enough.
Warning: In the T&Cs it says
"All updates are provided to you on a license exchange basis such that you agree, as a precondition for recieving an update, that you will terminate all your rights to use any previous version of the software."
Thus if you sign up for the subscription, in turn you update your plugins and no longer have license to older versions (that your perpetual license sit under!)
Dont support this company anymore and send a message to the rest of the industry! besides, who wants to put their projects behind a paywall that a company like waves can at any point crank up the pricing? don't do it, own your tools.
Very good
Fully agree, I’m done with waves. This is bullshit. We spend a lot of money of these plugins over the years. They should have gone the way of Plugin Alliance, you can subscribe or buy. Very stupid burnishes practice and ultimately they will close shop in about 2 years is my guess or change their tune and offer plugins to purchase if enough of us move on.
Thanks for your comments. I haven't bought any plugs in. Will get hardware compressor.
Used Waves for years, but I have a hard and fast rule that whenever anything goes to subscription then it gets replaced. Sub models are just greed. You go from buying to renting forever, and there's no excuse.
There are loads of great free or one-time buy plugins out there which can do the job just as well.
Don't be sorry about the rant - you expressed very well how i felt about Waves a couple of years ago when I realised that I would have to keep paying for the plugins I thought I owned. That's when I gave up on them.
I've had the PluginAlliance Mega and Mix&Master bundles for a couple of years and it's good for a few bits but not so many as I'd hoped they would going into it.
A mixed bag of great and suck. Worth getting a bundle or two and then using vouchers during their sales. Careful with that auto-pay in your account setup; I got burned by it once, asked for a refund and was ignored.
You can get all their best stuff for well under $800-1000 with good timing - some nice channel strips (esp. the Focusrite and Neve), the Elysia and SPL stuff, the Vertigo and Black Box saturators , and BX_rooMS. I like the Amek 200 but not many other of their other EQs.
The generous use of M/S and the 'mono maker' are very handy in many of them. But many of the GUIs can be a waste of space and hard to read, most wont resize.
I suggest looking into TDR and Klanghelm for some bread and butter tools that beat both waves or brainworx for similar or less money.
And if you don't know who Chris at *airwindows* is yet, then you probably should.
They were like "People only bought the same software from us 3-4 times, we should have them "buy" it every month instead."
Exactly right!
What a sham. I've been using Waves since '90. No more money from me!
This is why I don't update my studio computer. Found a system that works and have kept using it for 8 years now.
I’m still on Mac Pro 3,1 with El Capitan because it works but I could switch to hackintosh in a heartbeat
@@PrinceWesterburg Mac pro 1.1 (2006) until 2022 running Mountain Lion ProTools 9. The last work was an album mixed IN THE BOX (!). This machine is a real hero!
I'm done with Waves, Avid, and SSL if they go full subscription model as well. SSL won't release the 4KB plugin as a perpetual license. That's subscription only, so it's only a matter of time before they do the same thing to drive people to buy their hardware which makes them more money. Waves is about to find out why the customer is always right, unless they don't care. I can't imagine that the pro scene can keep them going. Even if they change later on and have both perpetual licenses and subscription model. Nah, they won't ever get my business again. I already unsubbed from their emails and reported their emails as spam so I won't ever get them again.
4kb and blitzer are now available as perpetual. Probably in reponse to Waves
I Stand by you on this one!
Waves your hands in the air, and Waves 'em like they just don't care.
Damn this man has the physical boxes that’s an OG
Waves just said they are not going through with the subscription models now 😂😂😂
They still never gonna get my money again!
A lot of people are with you. That's why hardware always wins, even though it's more work, especially on re-call. But, I love my hardware.
And to further emphasize my point. Ask yourself, why do Windows users not go through this only Apple users. The only time as a Windows user that I had to upgrade my plugins was when Steinberg decided to not support vst2 and only do vst3. Other than that in all my engineering years I never had to upgrade because I upgraded my hardware. This is entirely an Apple thing. And I'm only emphasizing this to say that Apple are kind of in collusion with these software companies to force customers to continuously pay out-of-pocket. And they are equally to blame for situations such as this.
It has nothing to do with type of user. It is the World Economic Forum with Klaus Schwab's Great Reset in full effect. "You will own nothing and be happy!".
Call me a conspiracy theorist. Call me wappie, lunatic, retard or whatever. But what you see here are facts and it is the result of the Great Reset with The Agenda 2030 that is worldwide unfolding.
It's happening everywhere and it is 100% what the message "You will own nothing and be happy" inherits: everything is gonna be rented, leased etc. Cars, software, bundles of food deliveries on monthly subscriptions. Anything. You mention it, you use it and by the year 2030 you will only be able to NOT own it by having all the necessary subscriptions to everything.... leaving every consumer in the world in a position where you are depending on companies services for eternity, to be paid on a monthly debt base.
You run out of money to pay the monthly subscriptions? Too bad for you. Then no car. No food. No Software.
Agenda 2030. The Great Reset. W.E.F.
No joke, no conspiracy. Facts. Happening right now in front of all our faces.
completely agree. I think I need to migrate away from Waves completely. The only thing I can't replace is Clarity
This is why i tend to shy away from DAW recording and production. I use it, yes, but sparingly. I'm absolutely fed up with the constant 'update' regime of digital! 👎
It’s horrific.
Well said, thank you for taking the time to do this. Hopefully if enough engineers speak up things will change. No need to apologize, it’s not ok to take advantage of their clients like that. I’m p o as well.
Yep..waves can wave me goodbye!
Thanks for the video.
I stopped giving them money when they wanted upgrade payments al the time. Ive still got a small handful left but eventually they will all disappear. Just a rip off company and I wont ever spend any more money with them. Absolutely zero customer loyalty. I think they will reverse this as they are about to lose the bill of their customers in my humble opinion but I will never go back.
Thanks for the video.
Couldn't agree more. Huge piss-off. I suspect they're gonna pay for this in time.
I hope they do!
it's like buying a house and then one day you're kicked out and offered to stay against a high monthly rent.
Couldn’t agree more - Waves no longer has my hard earned £’s in future - this is daylight robbery…
UR RIGHT MAN! I use waves also, and they hurt me very much!
Lotta people saying "This is the future." Not if you don't want it to be! Vote with your wallet. Steven Slate will never get a dime from me, nor will Waves.
Agreed. Its like you buy a hardware and have to rebuy every year to use😂
I bought renaissance pack back in the day. Got the train to London, bought waves, went back home excited. I didn’t have an ilok, as they were new then and I’d never heard of them. Back on the train to London, I buy an ilok and go home excited again.
The waves bundle doesn’t work. It was when Mac switched to intel/binary - I rang waves and they said I had to pay £200 for their aftercare to get the updated AU units. I said I just bought the bundle as a new product and why were they selling old products - they did not give one single care. £850 later, I had a £600 pack of plugins. Since then, I’ve boycotted Waves and would never go back.
I have many multi-platinum discs without them.
Use stock plug ins. Because the average consumer couldn't tell the difference between ableton
live EQ or waves EQ
I left using Waves completely , the moment I realized their "Version Upgrade" BS. Now I happily use Slate Digital, Plugin Alliance and UAD Native.
Waves must have found a deal on bankruptcy insurance. If someone really likes the subscription system, UA or Plugin Alliance has one.
I was just getting into doing some recording myself and was thinking about purchasing a few of their plugins for $29.99, to which were on sale recently. I got TONS of emails…buy buy buy…and then Boom…nope. Subscription-based only. They lost any future business from me, and I hope many many other people. What’s with these companies anymore. Fucking greedy. $30 for some software code you get to sell to thousands isn’t good enough? Lame.
I hope their shit news opens up the doors to some really cool plugin companies that we can all support.
People still use Waves? That's so 90's.
Thanks you for making this video. I am in exactly the same boat. So, so pissed with Waves. Was a loyal customer paid the WUP only 2 weeks ago!! The WUP was bad enough a rip off. Now this! Younglings in the game you must avoid Waves for your sanity.
Stopped buying there stuff cause of the update but I wanted that tape emulation plug-in but I'm going with someone else, I have one with my Daw . But waves crazy. If my stuff stops working,or doesn't work if I upgrade my computer it ok I'm done with them. I know enough now to find other VST's that do what I want.
Yeah, Waves always has always sucked in some regard and this is just the natural progression of that suckage! I understand paying something reasonable now and then for maintenance (HW or SW) but this is ridiculous. Personally, I'm going to take that $250 and spend it on FabFilter or some other company that isn't hostile to me. But on a happier note, your studio looks really amazing! What kind of board is that?
I love the fab filter.
My console is a 1976 Mci 428 that’s done lots of big rock records.
You can hear it with my tape deck here
ruclips.net/video/Sqz5YaHx26g/видео.html
The first time that Waves required me to pay again for the new version of the same plugin was the last time I gave them my money. That was years ago. Live, learn, and move on.
I’m so glad you made this video. Without your feedback (and others like it) they wouldn’t have reversed their decision.
Thank you Tony.
We are hurt❤ hope they recall the decision.
I mix on single ended silver wired Class-A valve (tube) gear and I dropped Waves plugins because they are mushy as hell.
Get Universal Audio!!!
Truth. I ran into the same thing. Ck out Brainworx SSL. I like it better than the Waves one. And SSL endorses it. Plenty of other fish in the sea. Same goes for DAW’s!
Guys, there is life outside of the Waves Audio environment, trust me!
There are still so many amazing companies out there that can easily replace Waves. I'm sure that if you want to prove it to yourselves, you could mix an entire album without any Waves plugin.
Just start with a song for now. Just one song! You'll see I'm right.
The biggest problem with subscription based product, is while all these various product and services want you to subscribe, people have a limited amount they can spend each month. So something has to give. Something has to miss out. Sub for your streaming service, your internet, your plug-ins for various brands, an online collab service, and more. This may be fine if you are a busy pro- studio using all this constantly to generate income, but what of the greater number of less full-time users who are prepared to buy a licence for something they can justify on their budget. Very tunnel vision, short sighted move for a company to remove the purchase option. Slate have a great subscription model, but still allow you to purchase licences if you choose.
I feel you. Time to move to hardware. Just going to take me a little time to get the pieces I would like to have. Haven’t used Waves for a while now and not about to start.
Looks like we're back!
-Piracy
When a person has theat much equipment and he/she is still pissed off from the robbery of these plug-ins, you know that its genuine! Great stuff my guy! Thank you! I quit using plug-ins a while ago because of stuff like this!
You said it very well man. Plugin makers appreciate customers on the way up but once everyone relies on the products they leverage that to get more money out of you and they owe their success to us in the first place.
looks like Waves has apologized and is reenabling perpetual licenses and upgrades; Just got an email from the CTO (which most of you have prob too if you are a Waves user). The sub model will continue, likely for new users or users who seldom use their plugins and benefit from a monthly cost basis.
Good job guys for standing up! This is good news.
As Klaus Szwab said, you will have nothing, you will be happy. So if you don't own anything, you'll be happy. And everyone is doing a subscription model now. Reason 12 came out and now they have subscriptions too. Only Fruity loop behaves to clients as it should.
Reaper treats you right as well.
Yes for sure, Reaper is more than fair and not "marketing-minded" at all, and their stock-plugins are excellent, too. They do not blend with beautiful wrapping and hollow phrases but with quality from inside. There is an older interview with the founder Justin Frankel on RUclips, and I wish the people at Waves would listen to it in order to learn how to lead a business correctly.
Welcome to the club. I bought so many of their plugins, and they want to charge me a fee to re-activate them because my activation stopped working? So now I just pirated the whole Waves library. No regrets!
I'm just a small home studio guy recording and mixing my own music. Had 3 waves plugins I paid for twice already after a system update. The third time I switched to other plugins that are at least the same in quality. Never buy from them again!
No corporate fascist subscription plan for me thankyou very much! There's plenty of superior competition that doesn't force their users to 'own nothing but be happy'! Bye bye Avid and bye bye Waves!
I despise all subscription models… same crap with adobe… screw those companies
Months before all of this- I started buying Warm Audio stuff. I agree 100% hardware sounds WAY better, and in 5, 10, or 15 years from now, when I go through new computers- I don't to buy these plug ins AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN...GREAT rant, I'm a NEW fan- I'm on the EXACT same page with you! Liked, and Subscribed~ Btw- The Tegeler Creme is AMAZING...It exceeded ALL expectations. It's worth looking into~
I am done with Waves. Not another dollar. Goodbye. I will find alternatives.
@4:18 I've always preferred software over hardware, but your argument right here has definitely got me reconsidering my position!
Waves have been like this for ever. Eg, you had to buy the same thing three times AND you might have spent 7 grand straight up.
BTW, in Australia, it's around 40 bucks a month
And this is why I don’t use a computer anymore to make music. Waves said “fuck all y’all!”
Great Video
I used to pay WUP every 1-2 tech cycles
Now I am leaving, I'm in the process of replacing the Waves plugins, doing good so far.
I totally feel you! I look now for an alternative to MV2, IR1, Abbey Road collection and NS1! Pls give me ideas
few years ago i was debating buying a waves audio plugin bundle, glad i never did. i ended up getting Native Instruments Komplete, and I've been very, happy.
"THIEVES Plugins" WAVES = THIEVES .. We do not like Being FORCED into Subscriptions - When I Open An Old Session for a Client I Want To Know My Plugin Investments Will Be There and Active. *Mercury, *Abby Road, *Studio Classics, Owner - 20 Years Invested and Stolen Away In 1 DAY 🤮
I’m glad I invested into UAD before I spent too much on waves. They went subscription too but you’re still able to buy them outright aaand now native as well. I
YUP. I own my UA plugins and they're great.
One thing to say about a ‘hardware dongle’ with UAD, they can’t take it from you because it’s tied to the hardware and doesn’t phone home to check if you still paid them to rent the software. I invested like 1300 into waves, but waaay more into UAD. I got waves stuff before UAD eventually got UAD to run some stuff on the DSP chips because i ran out of CPU, then I heard the plugins and was blown away.
I have a lot of hardware and trust me UAD, acustica audio and goodhertz are the three plug-in companies that are closest to analog equipment，the absolute transparent plugin is the Fabfilter company，waves has no more than ten plug-ins comparable to these.
analog obssesion is free and sound better trust me!!!
Let’s hope they change their minds!
That is why many people pirate this software ......no need for subscriptions or dongles and you can use it on any OS meaning Windows 7 64 bit etc......they even do free updates no charge what a great package.
I don't condone it but when companies start slapping you into a monthly online contract time for PARADOX, CORE , and R2R and simply sit back relax and enjoy the free version with no BS!!!!
I hate these software corporations they steal from you but its legal for them.....time to find some free stuff and let them choke on it....cheers mate
All these companies use strategies making us believe that we need more and more plugins.
I know people with hundreds of plugins (legal and pirate) and still think they need more for their greatest composition on earth.
@@refruja8483 Very true mate
You only need a few good plugins and they do everything just fine yet some artists think they have to keep reinventing the musical wheel with upgraded plugins that do the same thing but cost you money to buy again its all a scam
I have been composing music for years and I have paid for many plugins 1000's of dollars just to get a plugin that bugs out and they send you a bad patch fix in a month ...its so frustrating for sure.
@@ridcomics9364 Maybe being busy with one plugin after another is a way of avoiding the roots....be creative.
@@refruja8483 Hear hear well said
I'm now down to my last 2, and I'm seeking alternatives. They mis-sold them to me.
It's the world we're living in. Sad but true.
The sticking point is that we are using the Waves plugins on three computers at the same time. But not all 220 but only 10, which are only in the most expensive version for $24,95. In order to receive updates we would now have to use the subscription model 3 times for a total of $74.85 per month. For something that we have already paid dearly for. Waves just dug her grave. We will gradually replace this plugins.
And it seems the whole software industry is shifting towards this abusive way to do business, the times when you will not own anything and you will be happy.
I guess they are pushing us to buy hardware once again, stuff that you actually own and that it will keep its price over the time
Something like this has been likely to happen for awhile. More and more companies have been trying to move to only subscription for awhile. But even Avid saw they were getting pushback against it.. Waves arrogance seems to have got the better of them.. I think this is a tipping point for the subscription model. Perpetual needs to be offered by nearly all companies who don’t want severe pushback from customers after this
Man, I've been done with them for a while. Starting investing in analog gear and I've never been happier. As for plugins, Analog Obsession is where it's at for my needs.
I feel you, brother that’s why I stopped buying Wave plug-ins.
Done with Waves. Not another dime.
I'm right with you on this 1. I have hardware 2. There are so many other plug ins UA and Plug in Alliance. But here is something cool. I just got an Antelope interface and the full Plug in library comes with it. The plug ins they have sound great. And...you can track through them.
I try this and it's true, antilope plugins are great. What interface you bought from them?
Yes I got the Orion Studio Core. I love it. I just found out you can use the Thunderbolt 3 and the USB at the same time for more routing options and in and out capabilities
@@radio22king nice play. I'm thinking to switch from Zen Q to Orion 32+ gen3 because I'm also switching to analog board and output gear.
@@dusandanilovic21 I was as well but you can still get the whole FX library with many other units from Antelope. Also, the gen 3 is Thunderbolt 2 not 3 like the Studio
@@radio22king Yes yes, but i need 32in/out, and this is bang for buck
you are so right! I see a simularity between software users (us) en drug users: we both need te " use" (and are addicted in a way) ... and Waves is now acting as a drug dealer.... this is bad to the bone.
This is why I’ve always told people hardware is better and plugins - while they are basically a necessity today - they are a bad investment... yea. A lot of them sound great... I love my UA plugs ... but I know that they have a shelf life... my Dolby 361a’s in my rack... they are for life.
That hardware sitting behind you is looking better and better with age :)
They claimed theyre backing away from subscription only. The cofounder just posted an apology letter on the Waves site 😂
What waves did is like apologizing for punching someone in the face. The damage is already done from that punch. I moved on from Waves years ago. I'm just waiting for the day when my H-delay doesn't work anymore and several of my song masters will never sound quite the same again. buh-bye waves!
Pro Tools and Mac OS updates caused major issues and the cost of those updates was ridiculous so I made a major decision, I took my Studio Computer setup offline and it was a great move. My Mac Pro runs OS 10.6.8 and I run Pro Tools 9.0.6 and I have been running this setup since 2008 without any issues. I was tired of booking a recording session, going to the studio to start up the Mac to discover that Pro Tools is turned off and an email in my inbox telling me I need to update Pro Tools to the next version and oh, your Mac OS is out of date too and the update costs $399. I can happily say I have at least a studio setup that works without the "Dog & Pony Show" of constant updates. I would be considered an "Old School Recording Engineer" so I use recording techniques to get the job done, I don't get excited about plugins, for me they are just an effect like a SPX1000 or a DBX compressor. The plugins work, the mixing board software works and my interface is working well. All I do is occasionally do a "Mac Disk Aid" and I re-install the Pro Tools update program for PT 9.0.6 and all is good. To have a presence online, my office computer is connected to the internet and has email and any audio files I transfer to the studio by a USB stick. It is something worth considering, get a system that works well, and sticking with it. It is hard enough to make money in the music industry these days and to have companies like Pro Tools and Waves sucking money out of my pocket and into their gigantic bank accounts really sucks, I want to buy groceries, buy gas for my car, pay bills, have a nice home and give my family a good life too. The big music industry companies should visit a small studio to see how the other half live. That's my thoughts.
Don't simply just be mad at Waves also be mad at Apple. Whenever Apple upgrades the OS Mac users end up with compatible issues. As a Windows user I never had to deal with this issue ever. Over 15 years and 5 different studio computers. All my old plugs including Waves will work with no need for an upgrade. Not to say I agree with Waves. They suck big time for this. I know I'm not going to be using Waves plugins in the future because of this. But the way Apple treats their customers when getting a new computer, phone or tablet is aiding and abetting the issue.
Waves have been a pain in my arse for years with upgrades. This is just the icing on the friggin waves cake of doom.
Good video and thanks for speaking up. I avoid subscriptions. The only Waves plugin I have is R-Bass and I use it frequently, but I'm going to quit using it now. I'm sure there's workarounds for doing what it does.
Thanks for sharing!