Whiskey Two Four is possibly the most underrated gear manufacturer in the world. I've been using whiskey two four gear for a long time and I can't recommend them enough.
You know what time it is 0:00 Intro 0:49 Notes on future changes 3:14 Pricing 4:08 Front plate bag 10:33 Shoulder straps 11:34 Inside/body face of plate bags 13:04 Rear plate bag/back panel 17:44 Cummerbund 22:52 Internal of plate bags 24:28 Overall thoughts
After recently swapping from a JPC 1.0 to an SPC, then seeing this...I'm starting to edge right up to a bit of buyer's remorse. The on board comms routing loops, the access routing, the admin pouch. Very cool.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj I love my SPC a lot, no rush to be rid of it. But I recently also got an AVS in multicam black and honestly if I could just have two AVSes I would go that route. The AVS is god tier.
I just received my Plate Carrier 24 today, and I have noticed a few improvements over what is shown in the video. It is even better than the one EODFish received.
Love WTF. Never been a huge fan of their carriers but this seems like a big step in the right direction for them. Are the shoulder straps angled a bit or vertical like Spiritus does? Vertical straps have been a big gripe of mine bc most ppl don't have squared off shoulders, they're angled. So the majority of weight rides on the inner edge of the strap and will start to dig into my neck without really nice pads. The Ferro style angled straps are way more comfortable for me.
Vertical shoulder straps are for really skinny small framed guys, and companies trying to save money on fabric cuts while still selling their carriers for as much as everyone else does.
Great video is always. It's funny that I woke up to seeing this this morning. I was checking out this carrier and cumberbund yesterday. Been using WTF products for a while and this is truly a total package.
I am really liking the design of this carrier. I haven’t handled this carrier so I’m not entirely sure but based on seeing this video I don’t think I would call it an AVS killer I would say it’s more of a gap Bridger between Load bearing carriers like the AVS and the minimalist carriers that have flooded the market. I think it can carry some decently large and heavy loads but not as much as the AVS but it can carry significantly larger loads than say the LV119 or more affectionately called by me the $300 overhyped piece of hot garbage. I think this fills a deficit between those two classes of carriers. I’m sure I’m going to buy one of these I was eyeballing the thorax but this seems to be a better design with features I like more than the thorax. Great vid BTW Derek I did have a question are they using a proprietary design back panel zipper system or what. I’m curious if Crye or spiritus panels would fit.
It is a proprietary panel. I haven’t checked zipper compatibility but best case the panels aren’t going to line up right like the rest of the panels in my recent video.
@@EODFish gotcha yeah well that sucks man so many manufactures are going with their own zip setups it’s a little maddening ha I’m curious does it look like there is a way to mount a 3 band Crye cummerbund over top of the structured one curious if that’s possible maybe if was jerry rigged on.
@@EODFish yeah that’s what I was kinda thinking yeah. The carrier seems to be incredibly capable and I think at a killer price as well considering the feature set and how much thought went into its design of the carrier.
I’m curious on this same question. But at the same time, I believe that the AC1 is for light weight (low vis) applications and this is more of a battle vest. I think both would be good to have in your locker.
@@alanwright782 I would say so. Unlike the AC1, the WTF 24 has the ability to adjust the plate ride height, run side buckles for faster and quieter on/off, structural but stretchy cummerbund for more stability and comfort, Velcro on the inside to run padding, molle on the cummerbund for greater pouch flexibility, admin pouch for sharpies/batteries/etc, ability to run a back panel for water/storage, etc. The AC1 isn't terrible for what it is, but now that I've seen the WTF 13 for $100 I should've just gotten that for a cheap carrier.
@@eazybrah I got the AC1 on Black Friday for $130 and like it pretty well. I just put my order in for the 24 so I’m excited for the additional pouches and attachments. I also ordered they hydro back panel to go with it. Thanks for the quick replies and info!
Any recommendations for replacing the side buckles with something else? I like them better than the velcro, but getting the second one buckled is a pita.
Im curious about using the g-hook style triglide instead of gator clips for the front cummerbund attachment. It would reduce the bulk but be easy to use.
I have been told by WTF that they are not. I don’t know the extent of that though. The zippers may match like ferro where the panel ends up in the wrong spot.
yea, nice and big opening. Only downside to the double zipper is the noise which you don't really get with jsut a single zipper. But you could simply wrap some electrical tape around them or smth.
im really hyped for this and will order one asap. Question tho: How is it an AVS killer? Why the AVS is so popular is because its one of the few carriers that isnt a sandwich design. (i.e the cummerbund attaches on top of the plates pressing them into you). The AVS is a Harness that Grabs you and simply holds 2 Plate pockets on Top of that. the WTF24 is not. This while looking amazing is nothing else but a sandwich carrier. it still presses the Back plate into you like any other plate carrier. When i first saw it i kinda wished they would make it so the Cummerbund interslots below the Plate on the back meaning you just have the Harness(cummerbund strapping around you and the Platebag sits on top of that like the AVS). now its just a Sandwich carrier with a cool Cummerbund. This is the same thing ive noticed with the SPC. yea it has the little slots at the front but thoose do nothing to add comfort like an AVS so i am always confused when people compare them. adding padding and Structure to the Back plate bag and then having the harness attach on the inside would be an AVS killer. (imagine an avs with just a cummerbund but you add a pad like an AVS1000 Pad below so you just have padding Hug you and the Plates just sit on top. Im gonna order one and get my own opinion on it but to me it just looks like back pain 8hours into wearing it. i had a FCPC but this looks honestly better than that for the money. the entire bags with their wire routing etc are just mind blowing. what do you think about a perma mounted zipper admin? worries about field repair?
The cummerbund attaching inside the plates isn’t what makes the AVS different in my opinion. It’s just a different path to being a structured setup. The harness on the AVS is absolutely the best functioning structured setup on the market but it comes at a huge cost in bulk, rucking with an AVS is not fun at all. This system removes essentially all the redundant front and back bulk while providing the majority of the comfort derived from the harness. This is also why the SPC and the FCPC to a lesser degree are so popular.
Doing that adds a lot of cost and bulk to the system. I'm sure WTF considered it but decided to keep it more affordable and streamlined. They've been producing relatively simple and affordable carriers so doing a full harness type carrier prob isn't something they wanna do just yet. But this is a nice step in that direction.
@@EODFish o for sure thank you. Only concern is i run a mag and baton internal with bwings but want to run a mot radio internally. The gap looks close to firsr spear tube gap as well without the buckles so im on tge fence
The buckles take up a column of molle and you don’t have to use them. Zip off backpanels exist to keep you from having to rethread everything on the panel, not to make changing them and instant swap.
Whiskey Two Four is possibly the most underrated gear manufacturer in the world. I've been using whiskey two four gear for a long time and I can't recommend them enough.
Agreed.
You know what time it is
0:00 Intro
0:49 Notes on future changes
3:14 Pricing
4:08 Front plate bag
10:33 Shoulder straps
11:34 Inside/body face of plate bags
13:04 Rear plate bag/back panel
17:44 Cummerbund
22:52 Internal of plate bags
24:28 Overall thoughts
After recently swapping from a JPC 1.0 to an SPC, then seeing this...I'm starting to edge right up to a bit of buyer's remorse. The on board comms routing loops, the access routing, the admin pouch. Very cool.
The Crye SPC is a better design IMO.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj I love my SPC a lot, no rush to be rid of it. But I recently also got an AVS in multicam black and honestly if I could just have two AVSes I would go that route. The AVS is god tier.
I just received my Plate Carrier 24 today, and I have noticed a few improvements over what is shown in the video. It is even better than the one EODFish received.
We should get an updated review :3
Love WTF. Never been a huge fan of their carriers but this seems like a big step in the right direction for them. Are the shoulder straps angled a bit or vertical like Spiritus does? Vertical straps have been a big gripe of mine bc most ppl don't have squared off shoulders, they're angled. So the majority of weight rides on the inner edge of the strap and will start to dig into my neck without really nice pads. The Ferro style angled straps are way more comfortable for me.
They look angled like Ferros to me
They do have an outward cant to them.
@@davemichael4808 Thought so too but wasn't sure.
@@EODFish Nice. Thanks.
Vertical shoulder straps are for really skinny small framed guys, and companies trying to save money on fabric cuts while still selling their carriers for as much as everyone else does.
Great video is always. It's funny that I woke up to seeing this this morning. I was checking out this carrier and cumberbund yesterday. Been using WTF products for a while and this is truly a total package.
*The cable routing is outstanding!*
I am really liking the design of this carrier. I haven’t handled this carrier so I’m not entirely sure but based on seeing this video I don’t think I would call it an AVS killer I would say it’s more of a gap Bridger between Load bearing carriers like the AVS and the minimalist carriers that have flooded the market. I think it can carry some decently large and heavy loads but not as much as the AVS but it can carry significantly larger loads than say the LV119 or more affectionately called by me the $300 overhyped piece of hot garbage. I think this fills a deficit between those two classes of carriers. I’m sure I’m going to buy one of these I was eyeballing the thorax but this seems to be a better design with features I like more than the thorax. Great vid BTW Derek I did have a question are they using a proprietary design back panel zipper system or what. I’m curious if Crye or spiritus panels would fit.
It is a proprietary panel. I haven’t checked zipper compatibility but best case the panels aren’t going to line up right like the rest of the panels in my recent video.
@@EODFish gotcha yeah well that sucks man so many manufactures are going with their own zip setups it’s a little maddening ha I’m curious does it look like there is a way to mount a 3 band Crye cummerbund over top of the structured one curious if that’s possible maybe if was jerry rigged on.
VXV concepts Grid can cover that need. It would be on top of the cummerbund but under the back panel.
@@EODFish yeah that’s what I was kinda thinking yeah. The carrier seems to be incredibly capable and I think at a killer price as well considering the feature set and how much thought went into its design of the carrier.
The WTF backpanel is compatible with Spiritus so there's one. And whatever is compatible with Spiritus would be compatible with the WTF
Will this cummerbund fit the LV119 OTB rear and front plate bags
I like their design, its a well thought out product
Do you think this is the best plate carrier at the $340ish price point? I'm upgrading from an AC1 and want something more future proof.
I’m curious on this same question. But at the same time, I believe that the AC1 is for light weight (low vis) applications and this is more of a battle vest. I think both would be good to have in your locker.
@@alanwright782 I picked up the WTF 24. Much higher quality and features than the AC1. Honestly the AC1 isn't that much more low profile.
@@eazybrah so you’re saying it’s worth it?
@@alanwright782 I would say so. Unlike the AC1, the WTF 24 has the ability to adjust the plate ride height, run side buckles for faster and quieter on/off, structural but stretchy cummerbund for more stability and comfort, Velcro on the inside to run padding, molle on the cummerbund for greater pouch flexibility, admin pouch for sharpies/batteries/etc, ability to run a back panel for water/storage, etc. The AC1 isn't terrible for what it is, but now that I've seen the WTF 13 for $100 I should've just gotten that for a cheap carrier.
@@eazybrah I got the AC1 on Black Friday for $130 and like it pretty well. I just put my order in for the 24 so I’m excited for the additional pouches and attachments. I also ordered they hydro back panel to go with it. Thanks for the quick replies and info!
Any recommendations for replacing the side buckles with something else? I like them better than the velcro, but getting the second one buckled is a pita.
Keep one side fixed with Velcro and buckle the other.
Ferro Cobra Buckle kit.
Im curious about using the g-hook style triglide instead of gator clips for the front cummerbund attachment. It would reduce the bulk but be easy to use.
I'm sooo hype for these
any chance he makes that top admin panel as a stand alone? I love the design.
No idea. You could ping him to offer it.
What plates are you rockin in the medium plate carrier ?? Awesome video thank you !!
Esapi and Crye backers
theoretically, could you use an avs harness with it?
I’m trying to picture how you would attach it. I don’t think it would be fun.
@@EODFish yeah looking at it, I think would rather eat glass or watch Transformers 2
So for your only general purpose carrier. The wtf 24 or the Shaw arc v2?
ARC V2.
What plates do you recommend? I’m not sure which to go with
That’s way outside of my lane.
what size plates go in there? it says no 10x12
Medium Esapi
What’s the best way to add pouches for soft armor on the sides of this?
I’m not sure dude. Maybe the Crye sleeves?
Excellent ideas in this PC. I personally would financially be limited to WTF's Plate Carrier 13.
Would you take this over an FCPC v5 or LV119?
Easily
So 10x12 plate won't fit in this plate carrier right ?
Get a medium sapi and it'll be fine.
On the website it says this plate carrier isn’t meant for 10x12 plates. What size plates is it designed for??
Actual sapi sized plates.
@@EODFish I’m running sapi cut steel plates. So I’d be ok??
No but that’s because they are steel.
@@EODFish would that be because of the lack of thickness??
I think SinistralRifleman uses their chest rig and has a review on his channel
Me and Mr. Rifleman started at the same time at an 07/02 more than 20 years ago.
Glad to see it fits plates and backers cleanly, do you know if the zippers are crye compatible?
I have been told by WTF that they are not. I don’t know the extent of that though. The zippers may match like ferro where the panel ends up in the wrong spot.
Wow, admin-pouch done right.
yea, nice and big opening. Only downside to the double zipper is the noise which you don't really get with jsut a single zipper. But you could simply wrap some electrical tape around them or smth.
Would it work with AXL Equinox Cummerbund?
Not as it sits.
@@EODFish Thank you for prompt response!
im really hyped for this and will order one asap.
Question tho:
How is it an AVS killer?
Why the AVS is so popular is because its one of the few carriers that isnt a sandwich design. (i.e the cummerbund attaches on top of the plates pressing them into you).
The AVS is a Harness that Grabs you and simply holds 2 Plate pockets on Top of that. the WTF24 is not.
This while looking amazing is nothing else but a sandwich carrier. it still presses the Back plate into you like any other plate carrier.
When i first saw it i kinda wished they would make it so the Cummerbund interslots below the Plate on the back meaning you just have the Harness(cummerbund strapping around you and the Platebag sits on top of that like the AVS). now its just a Sandwich carrier with a cool Cummerbund.
This is the same thing ive noticed with the SPC. yea it has the little slots at the front but thoose do nothing to add comfort like an AVS so i am always confused when people compare them.
adding padding and Structure to the Back plate bag and then having the harness attach on the inside would be an AVS killer. (imagine an avs with just a cummerbund but you add a pad like an AVS1000 Pad below so you just have padding Hug you and the Plates just sit on top.
Im gonna order one and get my own opinion on it but to me it just looks like back pain 8hours into wearing it. i had a FCPC but this looks honestly better than that for the money. the entire bags with their wire routing etc are just mind blowing. what do you think about a perma mounted zipper admin? worries about field repair?
Great thought out question and would also love your opinion @eodfish
The cummerbund attaching inside the plates isn’t what makes the AVS different in my opinion. It’s just a different path to being a structured setup.
The harness on the AVS is absolutely the best functioning structured setup on the market but it comes at a huge cost in bulk, rucking with an AVS is not fun at all.
This system removes essentially all the redundant front and back bulk while providing the majority of the comfort derived from the harness. This is also why the SPC and the FCPC to a lesser degree are so popular.
Doing that adds a lot of cost and bulk to the system. I'm sure WTF considered it but decided to keep it more affordable and streamlined. They've been producing relatively simple and affordable carriers so doing a full harness type carrier prob isn't something they wanna do just yet. But this is a nice step in that direction.
@@EODFish I'd love to see you do a comparison btw AVS and CPC.
@@charlieghague honestly 0 reason to use a CPC if you dont use the soft armor in it.
Has anyone tried using 10x12 plates? I wanna get this but I have 10x12 plates
cant believe its 200$ do u think it would carry the weight of 210 rnds 5.56 baton radio and assorted tools?
It would carry that just fine. Keep in mind the $200 is just the PC, not the structured cummerbund.
@@EODFish o for sure thank you. Only concern is i run a mag and baton internal with bwings but want to run a mot radio internally. The gap looks close to firsr spear tube gap as well without the buckles so im on tge fence
What size plates does a large take?
Large
Does anyone make a pass through wing for a Baofeng? The 152 pouches are just way too big.
AXL b-wing
Another great video
Feell like those buckles take up some space and swapping back panels looks like a hassle
The buckles take up a column of molle and you don’t have to use them.
Zip off backpanels exist to keep you from having to rethread everything on the panel, not to make changing them and instant swap.
@@EODFish missed the part where you said you don't gotta use the buckles.
Just wanna tell all the loot drops good job keep prepping 😉
Looks like a fcpc rip off with changes.
Sure, as far as both of them retaining plates go.