TOS: "For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky." Yonada, an asteroid with a sublight drive/generation ship. The size of a small moon seems pretty big to me.
Watching Star Trek the Motion Picture in 1979, Veger had to be bigger than that. The Enterprise just wanders around inside it for like, over an hour. I thought it was about the size of the moon. It had to be at least 400 km in length.
The energy cloud and space was 40 or 80 AU’s. 40 AU’s is the entire Sol System. Discovery DMA is 5 light-years in size. The biggest object created by organic beings while Anti-Time from Next Generation is the size of Alpha Quadrant but it was created by Q.
@@antongoykhman They "retconned" the 82 AU down to just 2 AU in the DVD special edition because the cloud would be so big that it would have engulfed the entire solar system long before the ship even arrived. However, in the bluray version they left the 82 AU in, so speculation now is that when they make the comment "cloud dissipating rapidly" that it was 82 AU, but by the time it reaches our solar system, it was down to only 2 AU and then disappeared completely when it reached Earth.
For real, 200:1 is nonsensical. TMP went way out of its way to make its point about how mind-explodingly enormous V'Ger was... The structures in individual scenes would have to have had 100km-like dimensions. The Enterprise was like a bumblebee flying down the deck of the USS Iowa...
Heavy vessel carriers and spaceports are really wonderful than other small aerospacecrafts. More space journey includes floating cities has considered as mothership networks to new extroplanets, if starfleet members has longer space mission in ships.
@@Thurgosh_OG Hmm ... I'm not sure I believe those numbers, at least not from what I see on the screen. But it's hard to judge from the show alone since we never get a good measure of distance to a b-cube.
The reason for why the Narada was so big for a mining ship is because it had been greatly enhanced with Romulan controlled Borg technology prior to being accidentally transported to the Kelvin Timeline.
Fun fact: The Dyson Sphere is so big that it really can only be the work of pure sci-fi because in order to build a habitable "planet" around a sun would require so many materials and resources that it would be impossible to gather them up into one place. Then to have a workforce large enough to construct the thing would be nearly impossible, even if you were to divide it up among robots/drones, you would still have to build them and the tools needed to build the sphere. Then you have to house all those people somewhere while the sphere is being built and even then it would take so long to build the damn thing that literal generations would pass and by the time it's done, they will wonder why it was being built in the first place. This is why I hate ideas like the Narada and Starkiller base (Star Wars). The Narada is a mining ship capable of drilling a hole into the core of a planet, but you are still building tiny ships with torpedoes and phasers. You literally have a weapon so powerful that no one can stand against it. Starkiller Base is another one of those "we didn't think about that" ideas because the ability to carve out the entire side of a planet to build a weapon in just a few years tells me that you already have the weapons at your disposal, just make them more destructive and you wouldn't NEED to build a world destroying... world... base (god, that makes my brain hurt). Micheal Bay did it with Devastator in Transformers. You have this MASSIVE robot that can literally step on your enemies, but what does it do? It just eats sand. I hate Hollywood sometimes.
Very great points, they'd have to consume *SO* *SO* freaking many solar systems that I honestly can't begin to fathom the math's logistics. Agree with you fully, JJ seems to forget that Star Trek is partly founded on the concept of so much free energy can be generated that we literally throw our power sources at bad guys for our weapons. Abrams approaches it like a standard military complex, having missed the point. Take care my friend
Much of what you said applies in some scifi worlds, but doesn't apply in real life. So, here are a few points to bring this into the real world: *1)* *You wouldn't (and couldn't) build something like a Dyson sphere with "a workforce".* It's impossible. You'd use automated "dumb" manufacturing facilities that could be manually prompted to make more of themselves. You plop one such plant down on an asteroid. You tell it to mine material, and then separate and refine it. Then tell it to use those refined materials to build the components necessary to build another factory. Then have it ship those components to another asteroid. In order to avoid having fully "self-replicating" factories (which might get out of control), you insert as many "hard breaks" in the process as you deem necessary, where outside material or input is necessary to continue the process. Regardless of how you choose to structure the process, 1 factory becomes 2 becomes 4 becomes 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, etc etc etc. After a mere 30 doubling events, you have over 1 billion factories. If every factory takes a full year to make a new factory, after 30 years you have a billion factories. After 31 years, 2 billion. After 36 years, 64 billion factories. Suffice to say that using automated factories, mining, refining, and building enough components to make a Dyson sphere is not an issue. You'd never end up in a situation where you were attempting to house and feed quadrillions of workers to manually build and assemble a megastructure in space. That's something that could only happen in fantasy books. *2)* In real life a literal Dyson "sphere" would be gravitationally unstable, and would collapse into its host star. *However, in the original (and current) real world concept, the Dyson Sphere is actually a swarm of power stations that encircles the star, which is both plausible and physically feasible in the real world.* Indeed, we could start building a partial shell today if we put our minds to it. We have the basic technology necessary. Unfortunately scifi writers misunderstood the concept, and created truly dumb, physically impossible versions of it for books, TV, and movies. This tarnished the real world idea, adding on to it a lot of imagined baggage which doesn't exist outside of scifi. Getting back to the swarm, each station in the network has a microns-thick "sail" type power collector that it uses to both manoeuvre and generate power, which is in turn beamed to central facilities to be used for things like creating and maintaining Stellasers, Matrioshka Brains, or Kugelblitz black hole generators. Or, in less obscure terminology: interstellar transportation, large scale General-AI, and the manufacturing of tiny black holes to use as extremely energy dense "batteries" or powerful sublight engines (they're far more efficient than fusion or even antimatter engines). Or you could use it for whatever you wanted. Sky's the limit. *3* *It does not require the mass of many star systems to create a Dyson Sphere.* Yes, if you were to create a thick habitable shell around a star, it would actually take that much mass. But as already established, that's an idea created by particularly stupid scifi writers who couldn't be bothered to research the idea they were talking about before putting pen to paper, not by people who know what they're talking about. The minimum mass necessary to build a full scale single layer Dyson Sphere (often called a Dyson Swarm nowadays to distinguish it from the dumb scifi concept) is approximately the mass of Mercury. Each additional layer of swarm you build allows you to more fully capture the energy of the star, but with diminishing returns on each layer built. (Basically, no matter how efficient the solar power stations in your swarm are, they're going to radiate away most of that energy. If you want to capture that lost energy, you need a second shell. And then a third, and then a forth, etc. I suspect you'd never build more than 1 or 2 layers in real life.) You also don't need to build a full swarm, nor would it necessarily be advisable to do so. Even a swarm with 1% coverage would provide sufficient power for the incredibly power hungry futuristic applications mentioned above. Beyond that we'd be looking for things to do with the energy we captured. For a 1% coverage swarm of near-unthinkable power generation capability, we'd only need a few of the solar system's moons. Or we could skim a bit off the surface of Mercury. 1% of the Sol system's smallest planet's mass is still a lot (it's almost unimaginably huge to a human mind), but with auto-factories it's not difficult to achieve, nor would it necessarily take that long. Low single digit centuries is a decent real world estimate. Compare that to a decent real world estimate of the time necessary to fully terraform Mars: 3000 years. Of course, once you're able to do the scifi sounding things we've dreamed up today, you might have other, far better things to do with the power instead. And you might want more of it than a 1% single shell could provide. For example, at the beginning of the electric age, small scale generation was thought to be all you'd ever need, because all they wanted to power was light bulbs. Once they'd made enough power for light bulbs and they had a surplus in some areas, new uses started to pop up. Those new uses quickly came to dominate power demand, but where themselves quickly supplanted as more and more power hungry applications came online. Maybe we'll build a 1% coverage stellar shell because we think Stellasers are the best idea ever, only to realize that we can "grow" and expand outward at the speed of light a spacial substrate (or "subspace") inside of which we can control variables like the speed of light, rendering slower-than-light Stellaser powered journeys unnecessary. Until we have those unimaginable levels of energy available, it's hard to fathom exactly the uses we'll discover for them.
Dan Simmons "Hyperion Cantos" books has what he calls Eco-Spheres. Basically Dyson spheres made of trees that are several km tall with roots hundreds of km long. Billions of trees surrounding a star, fed water from ort clouds and comets. With hundreds of billions or trillions living in an around the trees.
@@wren7195 Agreed - the Dyson Sphere is ABSURD! Its surface area would be 5,026,548,245,774,366,918 km² - that's nearly 10 billion times the surface of the earth. To visualize the sheer scale of this: If you shrank the earth down to just 1mm in diameter, at that scale, the Dyson Sphere would be just slightly smaller than the size of the whole earth! That's a LOT of surface construction!
Yes, this all depends on the definition of "vessel." I would define a vessel as a ship... something that is meant to interact with others and has its own propulsion. In that case, the largest vessel I've seen in Star Trek is the city ship of the Voth. I'm not counting starbases... they don't move. I forgot about the whale probe and V'ger. I guess they count, even though neither had organic life abroad. (I know... I'm picky) 😄
There were two sizes of the Dominion battleship. There was a conventional 1200 Meter version, which the Valiant fought and succumbed to, and the 4500 meter assault ship, which was encountered guarding Cardassia along with the remaining Dominion fleet in the final hours of the war.
@willaforevar My sources? The fucking episodes, dumbass. Watch them. Does it make sense for the Dominion ship to be only 1200 meters when it dwarves every other Dominion ship in the Blockade by multiple orders of magnitude? No it doesn't. Also, your statement of "I don't believe they would do that" holds no weight because it is your own belief. The contrary is true. Here's a statement from the Memory Alpha article on the Dominion battleship, where it clearly states there are two size differences for the battleship used in the show: "According to Jake Sisko's statement, which Nog confirmed as "accurate" assuming he was referring to length rather than mass, the battleship is 1,284 meters long if taken literally. This is supported by the close-range engagements in "Valiant", which establish a size several times larger than that of the Defiant-class. The same approximate scale is maintained for the battleships during the Battle of Cardassia. However, in the final shot of the Dominion fleet around Cardassia, the battleship was scaled several times larger than previous. Although this was presumably done to enhance the ominous effect of the fleet."
You missed Sol Station that replaced Space dock. Its L = 62,500m/W = 20,833m/H = 62,500m. Powerful enough to shield the whole planet and hold off an entire fleet for quite awhile.
The 10 Biggest Star Trek Space Vessels Ever: 10.Dominion Dreadnaught 9.Varo Generational Ship 8.Narada 7.I.S.S. Charon 6.Vax City Ship 5.Starbase 74 4.Delphic Expanse Sphere 3.Yorktown Star Base 2.Whale Probe 1.V'Ger
@@ZeorymerX9 The Enterprise J of Star Trek online is in no way an accurate size. Its original size is that of the greater Atlanta area, or two Berlin. The J houses over 100,000 people along with a vast city with skyscrapers and even forests, lakes and rivers.
Enterprise J is way bigger than this, the Enterprise - D is 641 meters. Largest Dominion ship is battleship is 1,284 the battleship from DS9 valiant. this video looks like it was put together by an AI and uploaded for clickbate.
@ZeorymerX9 in regards to the false chart they're using with it being smaller than the jem hadar battleship, it is completely wrong, and nit even mentioned in this video.
So hold the ai generated voice and keyboard the borg unimatrix and dyson sphere are being excluded from a ship video because they're too big instead of not actually being vessels as they are buildings with warp capability like every space station . Ok nevermind this is an arbitrary list of big things in star trek.
@@stiimuli No Phones were used in the video or in my comment. My comment after the word so is thus "Hold the ai generated voice and keyboard", with the same diction and cadence as such phrases as hold your horses, hol' up etc.
no matter what anyone says I don't consider the Kelvin Universe canon nor any of the Star Trek movie remakes. I just barely consider Discovery and Strange New Worlds canon.
I have a hard time with this interpretation, because we've known since the 1960s that there was a lot of "timey-whimey-wibbily-wobbily... stuff" going on in the Star Trek universe. The TNG era demonstrable doesn't take place in the same timeline as TOS does. The US and Russia weren't manning nuclear stations in the 1970s in the TNG timeline, nor had Khan been launched on an interstellar spacecraft by the end of the 1990s. Nor did Voyager's or DS9's various Earth related time travel episodes take place in anything even approximating TOS's timeline. Strange New Worlds does the best job of... Doctor-Whoing (I guess you could call it) the Star Trek timeline. There are "fixed-ish points" in time that sheer historical inertia will see happen, even if time travellers disrupt the past. Time travellers keep messing with the timeline, but the same general events keep happening, because they had already happened, and modifying the timeline to make them not have happened would take an enormous amount of energy. Too much to be practical to anyone who wasn't a Q type being. Applying this to the real world, imagine that you went back in time and tried to stop WWII. Ok. Great. You stopped it. Congrats. But now the Americans didn't ship billions of kilograms of tanks and APCs to Europe. So in order to make WWII never have happened, you have to input enough energy into the system to shift all of those atoms back across the ocean (if not back into the ground). Because without the war, the Americans never super-industrialized. Nor did the Soviet Union, at least not on the scale seen in our timeline. That's historical inertia. You might go back in time and stop the war from happening like it did, but *something* would have to happen in its place, or you'd have to shift a heck of a lot of matter around. Maybe a global plague that involved 100+ million deaths (to make up for the lives that would need to be unlived) and a huge global relief effort that involved... shipping millions of kilograms of steel, fuel, and chemicals (the same ones used to make gunpowder) over the Atlantic. Anyway, because of all the timetravel (looking at you Gary-7, because you definitely had future knowledge given to you by those aliens!), saying "I don't think this one particular timeline makes sense!" doesn't seem logical to me. We've already seen dozens if not hundreds of timelines onscreen. Every few episodes seems to take place in a slightly modified reality from the previous set. So why not have a Kelvinverse? It's no more silly than Gary-7 and Sanctuary Districts existing in the same timeline (which they obviously don't).
Idk where you got your sources but I do recommend checking multiple sources like beta cannon, some ships you were off on there size (example enterprise j, you mixed up it's size with the enterprise d, the j was measured about 2 miles in length)
@@digitnerdhtv9662 right, but anyway the dominion battle ship in the show was specified as "twice the size as a galaxy class" if taken literally it would make it about 1,400 meters much smaller then the enterprise j (granted the ship was never given a cannon size and its debated to this day but was definitely not bigger then 2 miles)
@@CristySFM1234 There's a fan argument over the size because of a giant version that appears in some of the last scenes of the Dominion War. The CGI model was scaled up to make it more impressive in the shot, but it resulted in debate over the 'normal' scale battleship, and the oversized behemoth version that looks exactly the same.
@@CristySFM1234 Its sheer size during the Valiant's attack run, not to mention the appearance around Cardassia Prime in "What You Leave Behind", temporarily suggests a much larger vessel than the estimate discussed by Jake and Nog in "Valiant". For some reason, the Defiant-class was often a victim of scale in order to make certain vessels look more imposing, as we saw this with the Regent's Negh'Var as well as the Enterprise-E, but with this particular Dominion vessel, it looks to have been scaled up rather than everything else reduced in size. There could've been two classes of battleship with subtle design differences, much like the Maquis raider and fighter, with one being much larger than the other... or just lazy writing/CGI. As such... who knows? :)
No one ever mentions the generation ship; someone did their homework- good one Also to be fair nerada was enhanced with borh tech which made it so big but that still counts for overall size comparison
I don't think space stations should be in this listing - since they are not technicaly ships but instalations that were supposed to be stationary - and if stellar instalations are on the list then a dysonsphere should be in the first place...
@@russellharrell2747 And the Enterprise-D looked barely bigger than a shuttle in one episode, and bigger than a decent sized moon in the next. They were utterly unconcerned with visual scale. They've outright stated "we used the 'rule of cool', and didn't try to match visual scale from one scene to the next". Dialogue is only somewhat more reliable, but it *is* more consistent, so it's all we can really go by.
"Series", Shows a Kevin Timeline movie. Yes, I wrote Kevin and mean it. xD The only good ship from those movies is the Kelvin herself. Named mine in STO the U.S.S. Hemsworth.....
In Star Trek, V'Ger is estimated to be about 78 kilometers long and surrounded by an energy cloud that's at least two astrometric units in diameter. One astrometric unit is the distance from Earth to the sun, so the energy cloud is large enough to engulf the inner solar system. In Star Trek Discovery, the DMA was 5 light years in size.
I wonder, does the Dyson Sphere they featured in an episode of TNG count as Space Vessel? If so, this would be the biggest with a few hundred million kilometers of diameter.
@@Thurgosh_OG 82 again in the most recently released HD versions. It doesn't matter either way, because the energy cloud evaporates by the time it gets to Earth, and all we're left with is the core structure.
1:00 LOL How about paying for a narrator who ACTUALLY knows what she's talking about instead of just reading from a script. OR Use AI that can pull it off! DAMN!
@@lordadrianrichter3409 It's a bit hard to tell, but I think some of the mistakes made in this video sound like a human script reader, not AI. But it's hard to tell, especially if they bothered to get one trained to be a decent text-to-speech engine.
Leave it to Jar Jar Abrams to make the dumbest looking mining vessel ever. It makes no sense for it's shape and size. I expect nothing less for JJ's stupidity.
That wasn’t the original shape of the Narada. It was modified by Borg tech into the ship we see. There’s a whole backstory we don’t get in the movie. Look it up.
Ok 7:03 is WAAYY Different from 7:44 or 7:44 is WAAY off and Wrong !? V’ger 97,500m = 97.5km Other chart: V’ger 78km = 78,000m However EXTREMELY LARGER than Whale Probe 😅🤷♂️ Hold on Whale probe: 73,500m = 73.5km Other chart: Whale probe 8km = 8,000m That’s where the other chart is WRONG
IF YOU HAVE NOT ALLREADY WATCHED IT Star Trek Discovery THAT LAST Ep ~ Story DO NOT BOTHER WASTE OF AN Hour and Twenty Min , . I LOVE STAR TREK BUT THIS .
Still not as bad as the ending of Enterprise. And while it had 3 different distinct endings, that's still not as many as Picard had, which reminded me of nothing so much as LotR: The Return of the King. So bad. Discovery isn't great, but compared to some of the other crap that has issued for from Star Trek writers over time, it's not terrible in comparison. It is, however, not on my rewatch list;).
This video is ruined because you don't show any familiar ships like the Enterprises, or even DS9. The frame of reference you give is the "Enterprise J" which is a really obscure reference from "Enterprise" which most Trek fans won't even recognize. That ship is already VAST compared to the Enterprise so it's impossible to get a sense of scale from this.
The ones from the Kelvin timeline look like a convoluted mess. I haven't watched enough of Discovery to get the point of the ISS Charon, but I'm not a fan of nu Trek, so I'm not willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
your scriptwriter writes your scripts like a 10 year old that has to do a presentation in school. you lack of basic presentation skills. 1. X The X is..... 2. Y The Y is..... 3. Z The Z is....
TOS: "For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky." Yonada, an asteroid with a sublight drive/generation ship. The size of a small moon seems pretty big to me.
Since we're including stationary bases and objects, the Dyson Sphere from TNG should have made the list.
Yeah, the title specifies "vessels", but most of these aren't vessels.
00:41 At the very beginning of the video they said they're not including the Borg Transwarp Hub, the Borg Unicomplex or the Dyson Sphere.
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They see us rollin, they Gem-Haytin'.
"Damn these diamonds. Damn them to Hell."
Gems suk
Watching Star Trek the Motion Picture in 1979, Veger had to be bigger than that. The Enterprise just wanders around inside it for like, over an hour.
I thought it was about the size of the moon. It had to be at least 400 km in length.
The energy cloud and space was 40 or 80 AU’s. 40 AU’s is the entire Sol System. Discovery DMA is 5 light-years in size. The biggest object created by organic beings while Anti-Time from Next Generation is the size of Alpha Quadrant but it was created by Q.
@@antongoykhman They "retconned" the 82 AU down to just 2 AU in the DVD special edition because the cloud would be so big that it would have engulfed the entire solar system long before the ship even arrived. However, in the bluray version they left the 82 AU in, so speculation now is that when they make the comment "cloud dissipating rapidly" that it was 82 AU, but by the time it reaches our solar system, it was down to only 2 AU and then disappeared completely when it reached Earth.
@@antongoykhman Q didn't create it, Picard did, though Q did set the stage.
For real, 200:1 is nonsensical. TMP went way out of its way to make its point about how mind-explodingly enormous V'Ger was... The structures in individual scenes would have to have had 100km-like dimensions. The Enterprise was like a bumblebee flying down the deck of the USS Iowa...
Ship itself is 75 miles long. Cloud is 80Au
I used to know a Jim Hader. Nice guy. Always brought his own sandwiches.
Yeah, he was Napoleon Dynamite! Ahh, good times. Wait...
Where's the DOOMSDAY machine?
Smaller than anything on this list being only 2 kilometers in size.
@@DeathBYDesign666smaller but can destroy all ships shown here, except for V'Ger.
@@southsidetattoo 5,000m
The whale probe, aka "we're shooting this on next to zero budget so make the thing a plain rough cylinder with a volleyball hanging from it".
The cock-and-ball?
The AI voice is so off-putting. Had to turn this off as soon as said Jen Hay-der
What makes you think the narrator voice is Ai generated?
I can hear her breathing on the mic when she says certain words, she just isn't good with English, that's all
@@stiimuli Mispronounced names are a giveaway.
@@CantankerousDave Yes because real humans never mispronounce names
I'm pretty sure it is a real actual person, just they're reading a script
Heavy vessel carriers and spaceports are really wonderful than other small aerospacecrafts. More space journey includes floating cities has considered as mothership networks to new extroplanets, if starfleet members has longer space mission in ships.
What about the Fesarius?
Best ship ever!
Love that tranya!...😉
I was going to say he same. That ship gets over looked all the time and it was huge !
The Fesarius is approx. 1.6km across. Big but smaller than a Borg cube.
@@Thurgosh_OG Hmm ... I'm not sure I believe those numbers, at least not from what I see on the screen. But it's hard to judge from the show alone since we never get a good measure of distance to a b-cube.
What about the Reman Warbird Scimitar?
Length: 890 meters ; Beam: 1,350 meters
The reason for why the Narada was so big for a mining ship is because it had been greatly enhanced with Romulan controlled Borg technology prior to being accidentally transported to the Kelvin Timeline.
Fun fact: The Dyson Sphere is so big that it really can only be the work of pure sci-fi because in order to build a habitable "planet" around a sun would require so many materials and resources that it would be impossible to gather them up into one place. Then to have a workforce large enough to construct the thing would be nearly impossible, even if you were to divide it up among robots/drones, you would still have to build them and the tools needed to build the sphere. Then you have to house all those people somewhere while the sphere is being built and even then it would take so long to build the damn thing that literal generations would pass and by the time it's done, they will wonder why it was being built in the first place.
This is why I hate ideas like the Narada and Starkiller base (Star Wars). The Narada is a mining ship capable of drilling a hole into the core of a planet, but you are still building tiny ships with torpedoes and phasers. You literally have a weapon so powerful that no one can stand against it.
Starkiller Base is another one of those "we didn't think about that" ideas because the ability to carve out the entire side of a planet to build a weapon in just a few years tells me that you already have the weapons at your disposal, just make them more destructive and you wouldn't NEED to build a world destroying... world... base (god, that makes my brain hurt).
Micheal Bay did it with Devastator in Transformers. You have this MASSIVE robot that can literally step on your enemies, but what does it do? It just eats sand.
I hate Hollywood sometimes.
Very great points, they'd have to consume *SO* *SO* freaking many solar systems that I honestly can't begin to fathom the math's logistics. Agree with you fully, JJ seems to forget that Star Trek is partly founded on the concept of so much free energy can be generated that we literally throw our power sources at bad guys for our weapons.
Abrams approaches it like a standard military complex, having missed the point.
Take care my friend
Much of what you said applies in some scifi worlds, but doesn't apply in real life. So, here are a few points to bring this into the real world:
*1)* *You wouldn't (and couldn't) build something like a Dyson sphere with "a workforce".* It's impossible. You'd use automated "dumb" manufacturing facilities that could be manually prompted to make more of themselves. You plop one such plant down on an asteroid. You tell it to mine material, and then separate and refine it. Then tell it to use those refined materials to build the components necessary to build another factory. Then have it ship those components to another asteroid. In order to avoid having fully "self-replicating" factories (which might get out of control), you insert as many "hard breaks" in the process as you deem necessary, where outside material or input is necessary to continue the process. Regardless of how you choose to structure the process, 1 factory becomes 2 becomes 4 becomes 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, etc etc etc. After a mere 30 doubling events, you have over 1 billion factories. If every factory takes a full year to make a new factory, after 30 years you have a billion factories. After 31 years, 2 billion. After 36 years, 64 billion factories.
Suffice to say that using automated factories, mining, refining, and building enough components to make a Dyson sphere is not an issue. You'd never end up in a situation where you were attempting to house and feed quadrillions of workers to manually build and assemble a megastructure in space. That's something that could only happen in fantasy books.
*2)* In real life a literal Dyson "sphere" would be gravitationally unstable, and would collapse into its host star. *However, in the original (and current) real world concept, the Dyson Sphere is actually a swarm of power stations that encircles the star, which is both plausible and physically feasible in the real world.* Indeed, we could start building a partial shell today if we put our minds to it. We have the basic technology necessary. Unfortunately scifi writers misunderstood the concept, and created truly dumb, physically impossible versions of it for books, TV, and movies. This tarnished the real world idea, adding on to it a lot of imagined baggage which doesn't exist outside of scifi.
Getting back to the swarm, each station in the network has a microns-thick "sail" type power collector that it uses to both manoeuvre and generate power, which is in turn beamed to central facilities to be used for things like creating and maintaining Stellasers, Matrioshka Brains, or Kugelblitz black hole generators. Or, in less obscure terminology: interstellar transportation, large scale General-AI, and the manufacturing of tiny black holes to use as extremely energy dense "batteries" or powerful sublight engines (they're far more efficient than fusion or even antimatter engines). Or you could use it for whatever you wanted. Sky's the limit.
*3* *It does not require the mass of many star systems to create a Dyson Sphere.* Yes, if you were to create a thick habitable shell around a star, it would actually take that much mass. But as already established, that's an idea created by particularly stupid scifi writers who couldn't be bothered to research the idea they were talking about before putting pen to paper, not by people who know what they're talking about. The minimum mass necessary to build a full scale single layer Dyson Sphere (often called a Dyson Swarm nowadays to distinguish it from the dumb scifi concept) is approximately the mass of Mercury. Each additional layer of swarm you build allows you to more fully capture the energy of the star, but with diminishing returns on each layer built. (Basically, no matter how efficient the solar power stations in your swarm are, they're going to radiate away most of that energy. If you want to capture that lost energy, you need a second shell. And then a third, and then a forth, etc. I suspect you'd never build more than 1 or 2 layers in real life.)
You also don't need to build a full swarm, nor would it necessarily be advisable to do so. Even a swarm with 1% coverage would provide sufficient power for the incredibly power hungry futuristic applications mentioned above. Beyond that we'd be looking for things to do with the energy we captured. For a 1% coverage swarm of near-unthinkable power generation capability, we'd only need a few of the solar system's moons. Or we could skim a bit off the surface of Mercury. 1% of the Sol system's smallest planet's mass is still a lot (it's almost unimaginably huge to a human mind), but with auto-factories it's not difficult to achieve, nor would it necessarily take that long. Low single digit centuries is a decent real world estimate. Compare that to a decent real world estimate of the time necessary to fully terraform Mars: 3000 years.
Of course, once you're able to do the scifi sounding things we've dreamed up today, you might have other, far better things to do with the power instead. And you might want more of it than a 1% single shell could provide. For example, at the beginning of the electric age, small scale generation was thought to be all you'd ever need, because all they wanted to power was light bulbs. Once they'd made enough power for light bulbs and they had a surplus in some areas, new uses started to pop up. Those new uses quickly came to dominate power demand, but where themselves quickly supplanted as more and more power hungry applications came online.
Maybe we'll build a 1% coverage stellar shell because we think Stellasers are the best idea ever, only to realize that we can "grow" and expand outward at the speed of light a spacial substrate (or "subspace") inside of which we can control variables like the speed of light, rendering slower-than-light Stellaser powered journeys unnecessary. Until we have those unimaginable levels of energy available, it's hard to fathom exactly the uses we'll discover for them.
Dan Simmons "Hyperion Cantos" books has what he calls Eco-Spheres. Basically Dyson spheres made of trees that are several km tall with roots hundreds of km long. Billions of trees surrounding a star, fed water from ort clouds and comets. With hundreds of billions or trillions living in an around the trees.
@@wren7195 Agreed - the Dyson Sphere is ABSURD! Its surface area would be 5,026,548,245,774,366,918 km² - that's nearly 10 billion times the surface of the earth.
To visualize the sheer scale of this: If you shrank the earth down to just 1mm in diameter, at that scale, the Dyson Sphere would be just slightly smaller than the size of the whole earth! That's a LOT of surface construction!
Plus the fact that Star Trek reboot, And the Star Wars sequel trilogy was made by J.J. Abrams who shouldn't have touched them
Yes, this all depends on the definition of "vessel."
I would define a vessel as a ship... something that is meant to interact with others and has its own propulsion.
In that case, the largest vessel I've seen in Star Trek is the city ship of the Voth.
I'm not counting starbases... they don't move.
I forgot about the whale probe and V'ger. I guess they count, even though neither had organic life abroad. (I know... I'm picky) 😄
Starterk :100km ship.
Meanwhile in Babylon 5 universe: Shadow planet killer that can engulf entire planets be like: "Let me introduce myself".
The Dominion dreadnought is not 3,3 km, it is maximum of 1200 meters, the enterprise J is wider3,3 km than length 2.2km.
There were two sizes of the Dominion battleship. There was a conventional 1200 Meter version, which the Valiant fought and succumbed to, and the 4500 meter assault ship, which was encountered guarding Cardassia along with the remaining Dominion fleet in the final hours of the war.
@@beh.r_co-mando.1374 i dont believe that they would do such a thing that big
Wherer your source ans proof?
@willaforevar
My sources? The fucking episodes, dumbass. Watch them. Does it make sense for the Dominion ship to be only 1200 meters when it dwarves every other Dominion ship in the Blockade by multiple orders of magnitude? No it doesn't. Also, your statement of "I don't believe they would do that" holds no weight because it is your own belief. The contrary is true. Here's a statement from the Memory Alpha article on the Dominion battleship, where it clearly states there are two size differences for the battleship used in the show:
"According to Jake Sisko's statement, which Nog confirmed as "accurate" assuming he was referring to length rather than mass, the battleship is 1,284 meters long if taken literally. This is supported by the close-range engagements in "Valiant", which establish a size several times larger than that of the Defiant-class. The same approximate scale is maintained for the battleships during the Battle of Cardassia. However, in the final shot of the Dominion fleet around Cardassia, the battleship was scaled several times larger than previous. Although this was presumably done to enhance the ominous effect of the fleet."
@@WilliamprasempreSame could be asked of you, you gave no sources for your numbers.
@@Williamprasemprejem'hadar ship is bigger than enterprise J. It's half the size of a super star destroyer.
Is Jim Hader related to Bill?
You missed Sol Station that replaced Space dock. Its L = 62,500m/W = 20,833m/H = 62,500m. Powerful enough to shield the whole planet and hold off an entire fleet for quite awhile.
Where does the breen dreadnought fit on the list?
The 10 Biggest Star Trek Space Vessels Ever:
10.Dominion Dreadnaught
9.Varo Generational Ship
8.Narada
7.I.S.S. Charon
6.Vax City Ship
5.Starbase 74
4.Delphic Expanse Sphere
3.Yorktown Star Base
2.Whale Probe
1.V'Ger
Lol "Jim haid or" .....ok lady I'm gone
MY FAVORITE R' V'GER, YORKTOWNSPACEBASE, STARBASE 74, VOTH CITY SHIP, ISS CHARON, DOMINION DREADNOUGHT N' USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-J !!!!!
Thank you......I never had any idea of the immensities of these machines.
Never knew how big the whale probe was.
Why is the Narada facing the opposite way to the others.
Enterprise j is way bigger than this
my thoughts aswell
Nein, die Enterprise J ist 3618m lang. Also stimmt die Größe fast. Das Dominion Schiff stimmt nicht. Das Größte ist knapp über 1200m lang
@@ZeorymerX9 The Enterprise J of Star Trek online is in no way an accurate size. Its original size is that of the greater Atlanta area, or two Berlin.
The J houses over 100,000 people along with a vast city with skyscrapers and even forests, lakes and rivers.
@@1eyedwilli3J is 3 miles long. Dominion ship is twice as big.
Enterprise J is way bigger than this, the Enterprise - D is 641 meters. Largest Dominion ship is battleship is 1,284 the battleship from DS9 valiant. this video looks like it was put together by an AI and uploaded for clickbate.
Nein, die Enterpise J ist 3618m lang. Also stimmt die Größe fast. Beim Rest geb ich dir Recht
@ZeorymerX9 in regards to the false chart they're using with it being smaller than the jem hadar battleship, it is completely wrong, and nit even mentioned in this video.
It's right. This spectacular jem'hadar is 4.5x's bigger than a ISD2 or half the size of an SSD.
Enterprise J is about 3 miles long. Jem'hadar ship is bigger.
In the final episode of DS9 the battleships surrounding Cardassia prime are this large
Nice video,,, thanks for sharing..
So hold the ai generated voice and keyboard the borg unimatrix and dyson sphere are being excluded from a ship video because they're too big instead of not actually being vessels as they are buildings with warp capability like every space station . Ok nevermind this is an arbitrary list of big things in star trek.
What makes you think the narrator voice is Ai generated?
@@stiimuli No Phones were used in the video or in my comment. My comment after the word so is thus "Hold the ai generated voice and keyboard", with the same diction and cadence as such phrases as hold your horses, hol' up etc.
@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 Apologies for misunderstanding.
The Jem Heydar
Dyson sphere can't move.
Where is the Fesarius from The Corbomite Maneuver?
The largest, the Dyson sphere, was 200 million miles in diameter
Why Starbase 74 when you could've chose the far more well known Earth Space Dock, which is pretty much identical.
Going by the visuals starbase 74 is 2-3 times larger than spacedock
Sol Station (the one that replaced Space dock) would be even better its: L = 62,500m/W = 20,833m/H = 62,500m
Why is a Earth starbase here when it is not a Vessel?
Yorktown is also not a vessel!
Exactly, so mothership networks as floating cities are not vessels too🥂
Fesarius from TOS?
Starbase's and the spheres should not be on this list of "Vessels" they're not vessels.
Correct. A vessel journeys through space, a station generally does not, though DS9 could move a bit.
no matter what anyone says I don't consider the Kelvin Universe canon nor any of the Star Trek movie remakes. I just barely consider Discovery and Strange New Worlds canon.
I have a hard time with this interpretation, because we've known since the 1960s that there was a lot of "timey-whimey-wibbily-wobbily... stuff" going on in the Star Trek universe. The TNG era demonstrable doesn't take place in the same timeline as TOS does. The US and Russia weren't manning nuclear stations in the 1970s in the TNG timeline, nor had Khan been launched on an interstellar spacecraft by the end of the 1990s. Nor did Voyager's or DS9's various Earth related time travel episodes take place in anything even approximating TOS's timeline.
Strange New Worlds does the best job of... Doctor-Whoing (I guess you could call it) the Star Trek timeline. There are "fixed-ish points" in time that sheer historical inertia will see happen, even if time travellers disrupt the past. Time travellers keep messing with the timeline, but the same general events keep happening, because they had already happened, and modifying the timeline to make them not have happened would take an enormous amount of energy. Too much to be practical to anyone who wasn't a Q type being.
Applying this to the real world, imagine that you went back in time and tried to stop WWII. Ok. Great. You stopped it. Congrats. But now the Americans didn't ship billions of kilograms of tanks and APCs to Europe. So in order to make WWII never have happened, you have to input enough energy into the system to shift all of those atoms back across the ocean (if not back into the ground). Because without the war, the Americans never super-industrialized. Nor did the Soviet Union, at least not on the scale seen in our timeline.
That's historical inertia. You might go back in time and stop the war from happening like it did, but *something* would have to happen in its place, or you'd have to shift a heck of a lot of matter around. Maybe a global plague that involved 100+ million deaths (to make up for the lives that would need to be unlived) and a huge global relief effort that involved... shipping millions of kilograms of steel, fuel, and chemicals (the same ones used to make gunpowder) over the Atlantic.
Anyway, because of all the timetravel (looking at you Gary-7, because you definitely had future knowledge given to you by those aliens!), saying "I don't think this one particular timeline makes sense!" doesn't seem logical to me. We've already seen dozens if not hundreds of timelines onscreen. Every few episodes seems to take place in a slightly modified reality from the previous set. So why not have a Kelvinverse? It's no more silly than Gary-7 and Sanctuary Districts existing in the same timeline (which they obviously don't).
Idk where you got your sources but I do recommend checking multiple sources like beta cannon, some ships you were off on there size (example enterprise j, you mixed up it's size with the enterprise d, the j was measured about 2 miles in length)
Bro 2 miles is 3200 meters (as mention in the video ). The enterprise is enterprise j (as mentioned in the video) 😄
@@digitnerdhtv9662 right, but anyway the dominion battle ship in the show was specified as "twice the size as a galaxy class" if taken literally it would make it about 1,400 meters much smaller then the enterprise j (granted the ship was never given a cannon size and its debated to this day but was definitely not bigger then 2 miles)
@@CristySFM1234 There's a fan argument over the size because of a giant version that appears in some of the last scenes of the Dominion War. The CGI model was scaled up to make it more impressive in the shot, but it resulted in debate over the 'normal' scale battleship, and the oversized behemoth version that looks exactly the same.
@@CristySFM1234 Its sheer size during the Valiant's attack run, not to mention the appearance around Cardassia Prime in "What You Leave Behind", temporarily suggests a much larger vessel than the estimate discussed by Jake and Nog in "Valiant". For some reason, the Defiant-class was often a victim of scale in order to make certain vessels look more imposing, as we saw this with the Regent's Negh'Var as well as the Enterprise-E, but with this particular Dominion vessel, it looks to have been scaled up rather than everything else reduced in size. There could've been two classes of battleship with subtle design differences, much like the Maquis raider and fighter, with one being much larger than the other... or just lazy writing/CGI. As such... who knows? :)
I refuse to take the words of anyone who does not know how to spell and comprehend the word Canon seriously.
No one ever mentions the generation ship; someone did their homework- good one
Also to be fair nerada was enhanced with borh tech which made it so big but that still counts for overall size comparison
I thought it was Space Vessels, not space stations.
Jenolan Dyson Sphere, Federation HQ (32nd Cent.) & 10-C Hypermass?
Explained in the first couple of minutes.
Voth city ship, Balocks ship of the first federation, doomsday machine should be there.
The Voth city ship was there.
The Fesarius is approx. 1.6km across and the Doomsday Machine is approx. 2km long.
you really shouldve put the BORG cube lmfao
It would be about the same size as the Enterprise J
The LEXX? or Dune Space folder?
Jim haters
Damn it Jim...I hate him too.
I don't think space stations should be in this listing - since they are not technicaly ships but instalations that were supposed to be stationary - and if stellar instalations are on the list then a dysonsphere should be in the first place...
I can’t tell if this is narrated by AI or someone who doesn’t normally speak English.
Who tf made that cover art where the J was smaller than a dominion battleship?
"Gem Hayder"? Seriously? Try "Jem Hadar".
Unfortunately, you forgot the _Doomsdsy Machine._
The "Kelvin universe" vessels/installations are as irrelevant as the Borg.
Doomsday Machine is approx. 2 km long.
The "Dominion Dreadnought" probably doesn't exist; just poor "camera" work.
Star Trek is known for being science fiction and it also has space battles… did anybody edit this before posting it?
What about the Fesarius of the First Federation?
Exactly. It was larger (apparently) than all the rest, AND it had unlimited Tranya.
I answered this elsewhere he but - The Fesarius is approx. 1.6km across.
@@Thurgosh_OGyeah, according to the dialogue, but on screen it looked MUCH bigger than just one mile. I’d say it was the size of a small moon.
@@russellharrell2747 And the Enterprise-D looked barely bigger than a shuttle in one episode, and bigger than a decent sized moon in the next. They were utterly unconcerned with visual scale. They've outright stated "we used the 'rule of cool', and didn't try to match visual scale from one scene to the next". Dialogue is only somewhat more reliable, but it *is* more consistent, so it's all we can really go by.
Vger was a borg vessel
forgot to include the USS federation/Pax class. otherwise known as the start base in DIC future. it is 4km long
Starbase 74 was a starbase. Really? I thought it was a railroad train station.
My starbase is starbase flavored!
In season 4 of star trek discovery, we saw an entire moon that turned into a transport ship
Std is garbage. SNW is beyond better.
TOS did that first with Yonada in "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky".
That Jem Hadar dreadnaught is only 1457 meters long, this person didn’t do their research.
The jem'hadar planatery defender was 4500m or half of a SSD.
Where is the borg cube!
3 starbases ?
No Borg cube?
Now do, Top Ten Doctor Who ships or "Whoniverse" ships.
No Borg cube? No Reman warbird?
"Series", Shows a Kevin Timeline movie. Yes, I wrote Kevin and mean it. xD
The only good ship from those movies is the Kelvin herself. Named mine in STO the U.S.S. Hemsworth.....
You missed the Thesaurus in the original Star Trek.
The Fesarius? A few kilometers wide, similar to the Enterprise J or a Borg cube
@@EdKolis Ah, I spelled it wrong was going from memory phonetically.
V GERf full outside form is unknown.
what about the Dyson Sphere?
Technically not a vessel.
it is mentioned in the beginning.
What about it? It's not a ship...
In Star Trek, V'Ger is estimated to be about 78 kilometers long and surrounded by an energy cloud that's at least two astrometric units in diameter. One astrometric unit is the distance from Earth to the sun, so the energy cloud is large enough to engulf the inner solar system. In Star Trek Discovery, the DMA was 5 light years in size.
In the cinema version of ST- The Movie, V'Ger's energy is 82AU in size. Later reduced to 2 AU in the DVDs and back to 82 in the BluRay.
The best starship/star base is a planet with lots of wildlife……..
I wonder, does the Dyson Sphere they featured in an episode of TNG count as Space Vessel? If so, this would be the biggest with a few hundred million kilometers of diameter.
In star trek online it could teleport around, so it would be considered a spaceship
Dyson Sphere?
The Narada is upside down.
OK, They Forgot Spaceball One, Which was about the Same Comparative Size of the Whale Probe.
That ship was not in Star Trek.
@@chbu7081 it is in MY Version
Hm, VGER versus the Whale Probe, who would win? ;-)
V'ger every time. The Energy Cloud alone is 2AU (Originally 82AU) in the film and just overwhelms the Whale Probe in raw power.
@@Thurgosh_OG 82 again in the most recently released HD versions. It doesn't matter either way, because the energy cloud evaporates by the time it gets to Earth, and all we're left with is the core structure.
Neither, the Borg would assimilate the both.
I love ai voice overs
ALL these numbers are off.
1:00 LOL How about paying for a narrator who ACTUALLY knows what she's talking about instead of just reading from a script. OR Use AI that can pull it off! DAMN!
This is AI
@@lordadrianrichter3409 It's a bit hard to tell, but I think some of the mistakes made in this video sound like a human script reader, not AI. But it's hard to tell, especially if they bothered to get one trained to be a decent text-to-speech engine.
Where is the Husnock ship?
Jem Hader? Bills relation?
To me, this is nothing more than Clickbait. If you can’t pronounce the names, then don’t do a video on the topic.
"Jem Heyda...... I feel insulted."
@@oliverschmitt3969 maybe that's how it is pronounced in their native gem hater language?
More like returned with a pained whimper. STD is offensive to Roddenbury.
Holy crap, wtf is she saying?
This list is complete bull 💩!
The J is much bigger
This video was rushed. Where the F is the borg sphere? Borg Cube? Borg supercube aka queen cube?
Leave it to Jar Jar Abrams to make the dumbest looking mining vessel ever. It makes no sense for it's shape and size. I expect nothing less for JJ's stupidity.
Jar Jar Apebrains is cancer...🤬🤬🤬
That wasn’t the original shape of the Narada. It was modified by Borg tech into the ship we see. There’s a whole backstory we don’t get in the movie. Look it up.
Narada came from prime trek.
Dominion dreadnought was just an over scaled Dominion battleship, lazy special effects
This "List" is B.S.
Just don't even get Me started. Too many other "Ships" to list....
Scrap the Ai
GEM HATERS😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅
Ok 7:03 is WAAYY Different from
7:44 or 7:44 is WAAY off and Wrong !?
V’ger 97,500m = 97.5km
Other chart:
V’ger 78km = 78,000m
However EXTREMELY LARGER than Whale Probe 😅🤷♂️
Hold on
Whale probe:
73,500m = 73.5km
Other chart:
Whale probe 8km = 8,000m
That’s where the other chart is WRONG
IF YOU HAVE NOT ALLREADY WATCHED IT Star Trek Discovery THAT LAST Ep ~ Story DO NOT BOTHER WASTE OF AN Hour and Twenty Min , . I LOVE STAR TREK BUT THIS .
Still not as bad as the ending of Enterprise. And while it had 3 different distinct endings, that's still not as many as Picard had, which reminded me of nothing so much as LotR: The Return of the King. So bad.
Discovery isn't great, but compared to some of the other crap that has issued for from Star Trek writers over time, it's not terrible in comparison. It is, however, not on my rewatch list;).
@@jasonwalker9471 YES 100 %
This video is ruined because you don't show any familiar ships like the Enterprises, or even DS9. The frame of reference you give is the "Enterprise J" which is a really obscure reference from "Enterprise" which most Trek fans won't even recognize. That ship is already VAST compared to the Enterprise so it's impossible to get a sense of scale from this.
nope #1 is the Dyson Sphere from STTNG Episode Relics
the dyson sphere isnt a vessel. It doesn't go anywhere.
Where's the Death Star?
Where's the MILLENNIUM FALCON?
This is Star Trek
@@Togoti_Origin It was a joke, Dude.
(A very lame one, I admit, but a joke nonetheless.)
The ones from the Kelvin timeline look like a convoluted mess. I haven't watched enough of Discovery to get the point of the ISS Charon, but I'm not a fan of nu Trek, so I'm not willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
really? AI voice? no thanks
AI voice is terrible.
Most of this is totally wrong and horrible AI
Ugh. Get better AI. Or teach it to pronounce things correctly.
your scriptwriter writes your scripts like a 10 year old that has to do a presentation in school. you lack of basic presentation skills.
1. X
The X is.....
2. Y
The Y is.....
3. Z
The Z is....