Even if we don't consider J20 a 5th gen fighter jet, it is still between 4.5 and 5th gen jet which still has a significant edge over our air force arsenal .The only way we can keep china and pakistan in check is by 1. Buy atleast 100+ units of rafael 2. Increase our anti-missile defense system with significant deployment both in eastern and western borders. 3. Make AMCA a top priority project and try to conduct 1st flight within 5 years and induction within 10-12 years.
Agree, mate. Even if we buy 90-odd Rafale, that would be great. Some more S-400 or S-500 now, and we shall buy ourselves at least 7-10 more years, until AMCA MK1 comes along.
My doubt is if no private company is willing to come front and form SPV, and years have passed for waiting, is it still worth to wait for years. Even if we consider that private companies do work faster, aren't we loosing time in name of SPV. Why can't HAL, DRDO and ADE can execute it? Just like Tejas.
Yes it is a failure of import lobby in India It is failure of American sanctions threat It is failure of peoples attempt to incite inferiority complex among Indians
@@rahulpandey0862 Tejas has faced many problems, like sanctions, engine problem, etc. But AMCA won't have such problems. Tejas has problem with timeline but not with product which came out.
@@AlphaDefenseHindi man lo na sidha sidha india ka system hi kabarb hai Har bar import lobby ko dosh dena sahi nahi hai 3 years hogaye gov ke officials ne IAF officials ne kya kar liya privet firm ke participation ko leke 3 years se waiting wating kar rahe bas na privet firm ko convinced kar paye hai yah dono nahi kuch aur ..... Aur dusari taraf Waha turkish admistration dhadhadh work karke apana prototype le aaraha hai aur yaha hamare system ko dossh na deke blame import lobby pe dal diya jata hai ...... kabhi to IAF officials Ur government ke system ke against kade sawal pucho taki unke system me reform kiye ja sake ...... ya to hamara system ya hamara approach kahi to mistek horaha hai...ise point out karo taki reform kiye ja sake Sry to say but india ke system se accha turkish aur South koriyan system aacha hai .... Bat buri lag sakati hai but yahi sach hai
@@DavidTurner-og7cv system😂..... Yaha koi system hai bhi🤣? Threats badhte Jaa rhe hain aur 97 Tejas mark 1a ka order bhi 6 mahino Baad bhi final nahi hua..... 3rd IAC ko abhi final approval nahi mila hai jbki wo ham indigenously banaate hain Yahan PM 1 saal me ek baar kisi foreign country jaate hain aur engine ko lekr gup-shup krke aate hain fir next 1 saal tak Baat aage nahi badhti hai 2021 se Safran Engine ki news sun raha hu abhi tak MoU pr hi latka hua hai, ab next isspr Baat tab hogi jab Macron next time India aayenge ya Modi next time France jaayenge Aur Kaveri k funds to bhukhe logon ko raashan Baatne me laga diye
Su 57 is worst 5th generation jet it is not even much stealthy China’s j20 is more stealthy than su57 even russia have only 10 su 57 We should focus on su75 and amca
AMCA is not coming anywhere before 2030 not even a prototype with the way things are going currently. I literally feel like it is knowingly being delayed for opening import because once you do, you'll become dependent on that country for atleast 12-15 years. I lost all hopes with AMCA, better option is to buy SU-57.
Su-30MKI is literally better than the Su-57. Better off increasing production of that. A better option would be to do some R&D on radar absorbent paint materials. That's a low cost way of increasing the stealth capabilities of aircraft without breaking the bank. Using such materials on the Tejas MK1A would bring down its radar signature, not sure by how much, but its worth a shot. If it worked, up the number of MK1As being ordered.
@@Rohit-cj6eb su-57 is just marketing gimmicks. same wine in new bottle, but the new bottle has not been debugged. Su-30MKI is better than Su-57 and there is no point wasting money on that. The production facilities and indigenization of Su-30MKI has largely been done and billions upon billions should NOT be wasted on a jet that offers almost no benefit and lots of downsides. People commenting here have no clue. All they see is the number 57 is greater than 30 and start babbling away.
The only option left is to just the su57 program with negotiations as Russian is ready to negotiate. It will be a huge mistake by not going with the Russians. Same with the light tank by purchasing the engines from USA, this is what USA wants. Economic sanctions do not last long , if India puts business pressure on USA, they will bend , with 8Trillion debt they will bend.
KF21 is not 5th gen.. It doesn't have internal weapons bay.. Only the Block 2 version of KF 21 will be 5th gen and that will take atleast 2035 to be developed.. Only SU-57 is only feasible option for 5th gen buy
Su 57 is a good option.... And according to my opinion I would suggest that GOI should sign a deal with Russian Govt for Su 57 and also can do JV to develop our own AMCA. This would also give an option to use their assembly line, test facility, and other manufacturing facilities to increase the production rate faster of AMCA
@@netmonkali3626 bc me bola Prime ministers Office se sare official work ho as strategic project 💀 jese arihant class submarine program ka report sidha PMO ko hota he aur decision bhi jaldi loye jate he isliye itni teji se S4 and S4* bann rhi he aue S5 ka construction bhi start hone wala he
The only logical way out of here is as follows.. 1. Order 97 Tejas Mk1A 2. Rollout Tejas Mk2 3. Approve AMCA and let ADA and HAL do the development work and production as well 3. Order 54 more Rafales 4. Focus on AMCA Program and Jet Engines 5. Join a Sixth Gen Program 6. Keep an emergency fund to procure 40-60 Su-57 or F-35 which ever is available of such a situation arises...
Su-57 will face an incredible amounts of delay due to the state Russia is in. And F-35 is insanely expensive. The recent move to increase the number of Netra II aircraft is a hint of India's strategy of dealing with stealthy aircraft.
f-35 and su-57 is not an option as it kills the requirement of AMCA, additional rafale wud kill the viabilty of having a medium weight indigenous gighter in that case tejas MK2 and tejas mk1 have nothing to do with FGFA program....all hurdles can be tackled while having indigenous engine....kaveri 2.0 is big boost with 95-99 kn engine , collaborate with french schnema for further improvement and own the technology is only way out. india have gain significant knowledge in all dimension of fighter program development, just need to implement it and master the engine technology....
We can do a joint development with Japan for AMCA and other project too. If we can plug in Kaveri with XF9 we can have a world beater engine. Our planners are simply not pragmatic. India-Japan-France alliance can be a major alliance to combat US,China+ Russia led weapons market. All 3 countries have significant strengths and similar approach to R&D .
@@sumandutta4834 Yep, they won't. UK, Japan, Italy are participating on the Tempest. Any so called collaboration with India will only end up with India as the buyer. India has to build its own jets. Its about time.
@@sumandutta4834 A) It is a totally new project that Japan,Italy, and UK are developing B) Just because they are developing doesn't mean that we can't co-develop with them projects are projects C) When Japan starts militarising the West won't be so generous. Only France will be in a position to support along with India. D) We can do projects only with equals France, Japan, and India do not have any 5th Generation jets in their airforce. They all are in the same position so it makes more sense to collaborate
@@ajjunair83 That means running two parallel programs which is unnecessary for Japan. Instead they will ask India to join the Tempest with UK. Japan will militarize till the point that it doesn't raise alarm bells in Washington DC. Japan gained more from US partnership post World War 2. They will maintain it till the end. Countries like Japan or South Korea doesn't mind living under US umbrella. India's view on strategic autonomy is different than what Japan or South Korea wants. These two countries will always remain in US camp, hence we need to be realistic. France is running their own jet program to compete with the UK. Our position is bad simply because we lack expertise in jet engine. UK or France has funding issues not tech development. At this point, if we start searching for joint development partner for AMCA, we will end up importing 5th gen platforms too. I think by the time AMCA gets rollout out, some of the tier-1 military powers will induct 6th gen into their fleet. Hope, I am wrong.
If Manohar parrikar was there and continued as defence minster or any other another person from military background then tejas mk2 first flight in 2024 and amca first flight in 2026 would have happened and mrfa and p75i deal have done by now
Manohar parrikar ji without jet engine bna dete?Ab USA engine nhi de rha toh kya krre.Only options left are rolls royce and safran and mostly probably inn dono mein se hi kissi ke saath milkar engine bnega amca ke liye
We never had the luxury of time, considering our difficult neighborhood. I'm not sure if those in charge of government, bureaucracy, the armed forces, and defense research comprehend this. For the sake of peace and survival, we must constantly be one step ahead of our adversaries.
Don't understand why delay in taking proper decisions in India! Post Tejas -II, let there be AMCA - I as 4.5Gen. Import Rafale -5 (5Gen) Aircrafts. Uplift AMCA - II to 6Gen.
I recently came onto a Hindustan Times piece headlined "PM Modi doesn't want cost overruns and delays in defence projects," which discusses the report that Rajnath Singh received from the Vijay Raghavan Committee. It discusses the complete disregard for the advancement of the national defense research ecosystem, with the private sector excluded ostensibly for reasons of national security; an excessive emphasis on the threat posed by Pakistan while ignoring China; and the fact that Indian defense research is constantly in a state of technological "catch up" rather than "breakthrough." I think this is why we are always in situation where our adversaries made sure that we stay import dependent by choice. Time is the crucial factor. The committee also found that Indian defence research is reactive to what was being done in third countries with no plans to lead in terms of technological expertise or advancement.
Some import with technology transfer should be done asap as we will need 5th Gen fighter soon. and co-developmemt deal for AMCA should also be encouraged to speed up the project
Pm modi is bowing to profit making company because electoral bonds are important. No wonder the government said making electoral bonds public is not important.
"Why India is not Making Twin Engine 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft" - India cant thats why atleast not till we master the propulsion technology and material tech, and it will take a long long time. till then our engine will be behind 6th gen
Rafal is something which we cant put in front of any other 5 gen fighter ......its grt aircraft bt its asking to much from it to put in front any 5th gen...we must go for su57 n do the way we do with su30 mki
We need more L band radars awacs based and ground based which detects stealth aircraft (but can't guide weapons) and our su30s upgraded IR SENSOR should be very capable that's only solution I see right now use quantum dot infrared photodetector instead of quantum well in new IR sensor for super Sukhoi.. We have that technology IIT Bombay developed it.. then only our passive tracking will improve in very long range
Only China has made decent quantum radars (in terms of range specially 150 kms as per their claim) And are still breaking head on how to counter the US B-21 😅
iaf does not have futuristic vision like navy and navy does not sit like iaf on dead project mrfa you this when project 75i is not happening so they decided to go 3 more scropean submarine
When it comes to strategic advancement time is real asset to be in hand. If real time requirements are not answered then there is no use of long term planning.
Once Rafale purchase/manufacture is sorted out to deal with near future needs, the next big foreign purchase/collaboration like Su30MKI will be for the MiG41 for 6G leap. Hopefully AMCA will be pusued in between to cover for the 5G/stealth requirement and to keep the domestic R&D on track.
With out engine availability India cannot plan for 5th generation plan. But engine finalization is not happening. India wants engine TOT , we bargaining for decades, no body is giving. We are struck with , finally we will buy complete fighter jet, offselve,like rafale
I have a question if you can please make a short video about it. Can rudram missile target enemy AWECS aircraft or not. If it can target then which is the best option - rudram or astra bvr or air defense system like s400 ?
The ccs has still not released funds to move the program forward and the file was sitting around for a few days so it's not ADA's or DRDO's fault, it's the government's.
There are no other option, now su 57 after 7-8 year when china will build 6th gen we will buy su 58, then su 59, but the good news is amca always will be in development😂
what if we procure more rafels through MRFA program instead of having russian 5th gen jets which are not stealthy enough. More rafeals will be good option as already IAF operating this jets and we have to minimize the variety of jets operated by IAF for fleet maintainance and spare parts issues
But are stealth fighters an answer to the enemy's stealth fighter? If we cannot detect them and they cannot detect us, will it not end up in a dogfight situation? But if we can detect their stealth fighters, then aren't 4th fighters or SAMs enough to neutralize them? In the wars that are happening right now, no stealth fighters are being used. US used super hornets to strike Yemen, Russia used their Su 35s to strike Ukraine.
Only answer Stealth can only be countered with stealth That too hundreds of them from 2 fronts Rafales also inadequate now Needed for SEAD too Russia suffered due to this Not able to deep strike to cut off Uko supply lines of western weapons If they had the Su-57s ready & in decent nos. the war would have been long over And you obviously don't need them against rag tag militia groups with no air defence of any kind
No and no. You have no idea how air combat works. It's the range of engagement and the ability to hit them first that reduces. An su 30, while capable, would never make it close enough to a stealth fighter irrespective of the latter being detected because there's a differnce between radar detection and getting a firing solution.
Pakistan total defense budget is less than 10bn our capex budget is 21 bn... But they will get 5th gen fighters before us... 😂😂😂... That's reveal everything going on in defense procurement 😅
Pakistan don't pay for it.. They get it as military aid to server their master country.. During cold War it was American master now it's Chinese master. Nobody knows what Pakistan paid for J10c, hangoor submarines, SH15 howitzer.. Because they paid none. It's a Chinese military aid to keep busy India on western border
Please share link of media who said China plane is not a 5th generation fighter. I want to see why they say it's not a 5th generation and their knowledge about stealth plane.
Most common beating stick is the canards Can't say the same for the J-31 though ;) These blokes don't read what the USAF has to say about the J-20 Ignorance is bliss 😊
Jaisa haal MOD or IAF ka at the end 5th gen FA import hei hone wala hai enemies apka wait nhi karne Wale hai ki ab funding karenge fir induction karenge
Rafale f4 is the best for India if France is transferring engine tech. But then, IAF would have to order 250 of them to defend Indian airspace in the next 30 years coming.
YESSSS!!!!! Make in India 100 nos. latest versions 2-seater SU57 Talons and 500 nos. cheapest SEF 5th gen. stealth fighter jets of the whole world - SU75 jets asap soon... jointly manufacturing for whole world exports also Russia-India-Saudi-UAE countries will jv soon!!
True and falls. MF private companies are the bigger culprit here, while Kaveri played a part in the past currently it isn't the bigger issue currently.
I was reading an old piece by a respected PAKAF Rtd. officer highlighting how IAF faces issues with integrating different platforms as we've diversified procurement as compared to PAKAF who've been consistent with their vendors (US & China) ? I think the argument holds water, but to what extent and why despite best efforts CCS seems to sleep and kill indigenous innovations. Mark 2 and AMCA being best examples. We'll never be able to catch up let alone lead with this mindset.
SU 57 is a terrible option. Russia has only made 10 so far and half of them are not even operational. If you think about it, Russia and India were making this aircraft jointly years ago but India pulled out of the project because of corruption so it makes no sense for India to buy SU 57 India should make your own stealth aircraft
More like 4 squads With 5th gen 50% availibility is the norm due to higher maintenance With the hangar queen F35, even USAF struggling to get 40% availibility ;)
India should focus on the 5th & 6th-generation fighters as soon as possible. In my sense, India should purchase it from the USA and continue making India AMCA simultaneously.
Why can't we collaborate with foreign nations & companies on AMCA. There are plenty of countries interested in 5th Gen Aircraft but either can't afford F35 or do not want to become US puppet. Like Russia is doing with Su-75 we can do the same or like Korea we can tie up with a foreign manufacturer if no Indian is coming forward. AMCA will not become induction ready before 2030-35 most likely and by that time many nations will start testing 6th gen fighters so keeping AMCA very secret I don't think should be a reason to worry. No matter what J20/F31 are potential 5th gen fighter & in the forthcoming years they might improve the flaws and I don't think current Fighter of IAF other than F5 variant of Rafale can match them .
@@dummy9517 But they are also looking for private partners for AMCA everything is ready only prototype development is left with private partner same is the case with Su-75 however the difference is they are using most of tech already tested on Su-57 but same is not the case with us. You are saying too late but as I am seeing with current case AMCA will not be a reality before 2035 i.e a decade similar time will be taken for development of its engine with foreign partner.
Sir....Private-SPV for AMCA might not be that big a problem as GOI can always provide development funding, revenue stream assurance & support for capital investment de-risking...the only reason AMCA / TEDBF development is lagging is the unavailability of required engines... due to this GOI is going slow in releasing development funds....otherwise, i think, our DRDO already has access to required technologies or is near completion for other technologies...engine tech is our top-most bottle-neck....even if it takes $10bn in next 4-5 years, this should be our national priority ie we absolutely need the proverbial "Saam-Daam-Dand-Bhed" effort & focus
Sir, I have a question. We are continuosly hearing that any private body is not coming infront for codevelopment. Does this private entity will work with government entities for development of prototype, or will do production of the fighter. If the case is of second type, then why we are not moving towards prototype development and rollout?? Afterall DRDO had developed many required technologies allready, still why funds are not getting cleared??
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Sir, Do any private entity have any type of experience in this field, because if I am not wrong, then whatever the assembly work of fighter had done in nation was mostly done by HAL. Without experience, companies may not want to be a part of a fifth gen program.
@@AlphaDefenseHindi kya bol rhe ho bhai.. Feb, 2023 me to CDR complete ki h DRDO ne.. Kaha se3 yrs ka delay ho gya. Uttam radar ka koi ata pta nhi.. Na tejas pe operationsl hua na Super sukhoi pe. Sirf youtubers k vid me h. Air launched Nirbhay cruise missiles ka bhi same haal h. Rustam k liye inko technical assistance chahiye foreign se..
Pta nhi Mai ise apne jiwan kaal me dekh paunga ya nahi Ya ye Kyoto Banaras smart City skill India ki tarha ek jumla hi sabit hoga 😢 Khir I would say ki KF21 borame ki evaluation kro or Lelo Engine bhi common hai jyada problem nahi aayegi MRO me
What Is the difference between between 4.5 generation fighter like rafael f4 and 5th generation fighter?are 4.5 generation fighters so much inferior to so called fifth generation fighter like j20.?As per me, only 5th generation fighter in service right now which draws genuine admiration is f22
We need a Technical defense minister like Manohar Parikar ji.
Rajnath Singh is MSc. in physics.
@@kkumar736Rajnath ji is a master in doing "Kadi Ninda".
Gun pakdna tak nahi aata unhe@@kkumar736
Kuch toh gadbad hai.
@@BappiLehri4ever Are you new to politics? Rajnath Singh is a bjp puppet, real defence decisions are taken by Ajit Doval
Even if we don't consider J20 a 5th gen fighter jet, it is still between 4.5 and 5th gen jet which still has a significant edge over our air force arsenal .The only way we can keep china and pakistan in check is by
1. Buy atleast 100+ units of rafael
2. Increase our anti-missile defense system with significant deployment both in eastern and western borders.
3. Make AMCA a top priority project and try to conduct 1st flight within 5 years and induction within 10-12 years.
China will have 500 5th gen by 2032. We need it now. Not in 12 years
Paisa nhi hai warna indigenous development me Paisa kaha se ayega@@himanshumadhan6376
J20 and j31 is truly fifth generation fighter.
China will have 6th generation fighter by 2030.
China will have fastest plane by 2035.
at least by 2029, as per deadline....indigenous engine seems to be biggest hurdle while achieve this.
Agree, mate. Even if we buy 90-odd Rafale, that would be great.
Some more S-400 or S-500 now, and we shall buy ourselves at least 7-10 more years, until AMCA MK1 comes along.
My doubt is if no private company is willing to come front and form SPV, and years have passed for waiting, is it still worth to wait for years. Even if we consider that private companies do work faster, aren't we loosing time in name of SPV.
Why can't HAL, DRDO and ADE can execute it? Just like Tejas.
Tejas is a failure considering its time stamp
Yes it is a failure of import lobby in India
It is failure of American sanctions threat
It is failure of peoples attempt to incite inferiority complex among Indians
@@rahulpandey0862 Tejas has faced many problems, like sanctions, engine problem, etc.
But AMCA won't have such problems.
Tejas has problem with timeline but not with product which came out.
@@AlphaDefenseHindi
man lo na sidha sidha india ka system hi kabarb hai
Har bar import lobby ko dosh dena sahi nahi hai
3 years hogaye gov ke officials ne IAF officials ne kya kar liya privet firm ke participation ko leke 3 years se waiting wating kar rahe bas na privet firm ko convinced kar paye hai yah dono nahi kuch aur .....
Aur dusari taraf Waha turkish admistration dhadhadh work karke apana prototype le aaraha hai aur yaha hamare system ko dossh na deke blame import lobby pe dal diya jata hai ......
kabhi to IAF officials Ur government ke system ke against kade sawal pucho taki unke system me reform kiye ja sake ...... ya to hamara system ya hamara approach kahi to mistek horaha hai...ise point out karo taki reform kiye ja sake
Sry to say but india ke system se accha turkish aur South koriyan system aacha hai ....
Bat buri lag sakati hai but yahi sach hai
@@DavidTurner-og7cv system😂..... Yaha koi system hai bhi🤣?
Threats badhte Jaa rhe hain aur 97 Tejas mark 1a ka order bhi 6 mahino Baad bhi final nahi hua..... 3rd IAC ko abhi final approval nahi mila hai jbki wo ham indigenously banaate hain
Yahan PM 1 saal me ek baar kisi foreign country jaate hain aur engine ko lekr gup-shup krke aate hain fir next 1 saal tak Baat aage nahi badhti hai 2021 se Safran Engine ki news sun raha hu abhi tak MoU pr hi latka hua hai, ab next isspr Baat tab hogi jab Macron next time India aayenge ya Modi next time France jaayenge
Aur Kaveri k funds to bhukhe logon ko raashan Baatne me laga diye
We should assembled SU 75 or SU 57 by balanced payment like Bramhose. Which can be marketed by India. Ex Adani are exporting Hermes 900.
Adani just exported aero structures
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Sorry, Even components factory.
Su 57 is worst 5th generation jet it is not even much stealthy China’s j20 is more stealthy than su57 even russia have only 10 su 57
We should focus on su75 and amca
Brahmos is made in Nagpur .
@@dkdijf How do you know how stealthy is China's J20? Just because they say so. Didn't you read news coming out of China about their missiles.
waiting for 2050..
2080
@@Covid_Liberation_Army Don't wait, it will never be reality
2040 amca
Indian civilians must learn to fly kamakazi drone
5020 😂 amca is ready for first flight 🛫
Year 2075 : India is planning for MRFA 5.0
Air force officials are joke...
Both Airforce and Army.
YOU are a joke.
Navy is always on point
AMCA is not coming anywhere before 2030 not even a prototype with the way things are going currently.
I literally feel like it is knowingly being delayed for opening import because once you do, you'll become dependent on that country for atleast 12-15 years.
I lost all hopes with AMCA, better option is to buy SU-57.
Su-30MKI is literally better than the Su-57.
Better off increasing production of that.
A better option would be to do some R&D on radar absorbent paint materials.
That's a low cost way of increasing the stealth capabilities of aircraft without breaking the bank.
Using such materials on the Tejas MK1A would bring down its radar signature, not sure by how much, but its worth a shot.
If it worked, up the number of MK1As being ordered.
@@mth469 su30 is better than su57 than Russia making it😂
@@Rohit-cj6eb su-57 is just marketing gimmicks. same wine in new bottle, but the new bottle has not been debugged.
Su-30MKI is better than Su-57 and there is no point wasting money on that.
The production facilities and indigenization of Su-30MKI has largely been done and billions upon billions should NOT be wasted on a jet that offers almost no benefit and lots of downsides.
People commenting here have no clue.
All they see is the number 57 is greater than 30 and start babbling away.
@@mth469 absolutely True
The only option left is to just the su57 program with negotiations as Russian is ready to negotiate. It will be a huge mistake by not going with the Russians. Same with the light tank by purchasing the engines from USA, this is what USA wants. Economic sanctions do not last long , if India puts business pressure on USA, they will bend , with 8Trillion debt they will bend.
8 trillion debt is nothing for the USA.
KF21 is not 5th gen.. It doesn't have internal weapons bay.. Only the Block 2 version of KF 21 will be 5th gen and that will take atleast 2035 to be developed.. Only SU-57 is only feasible option for 5th gen buy
Kind of mediocre people we have and kind of shithole we are, how can we develop a 5th Gen aircraft?
Su 57 is a good option.... And according to my opinion I would suggest that GOI should sign a deal with Russian Govt for Su 57 and also can do JV to develop our own AMCA. This would also give an option to use their assembly line, test facility, and other manufacturing facilities to increase the production rate faster of AMCA
AMCA , jet engines and submarine program direct PMO ke under hone chahiye nuclear submarine (SSBNs) ki tarah
To jaldi program complete ho
Haan pencho 8th Fail PM 5th gen fighter banaayega
@@netmonkali3626
@@netmonkali3626 bc me bola Prime ministers Office se sare official work ho as strategic project 💀 jese arihant class submarine program ka report sidha PMO ko hota he aur decision bhi jaldi loye jate he isliye itni teji se S4 and S4* bann rhi he aue S5 ka construction bhi start hone wala he
The only logical way out of here is as follows..
1. Order 97 Tejas Mk1A
2. Rollout Tejas Mk2
3. Approve AMCA and let ADA and HAL do the development work and production as well
3. Order 54 more Rafales
4. Focus on AMCA Program and Jet Engines
5. Join a Sixth Gen Program
6. Keep an emergency fund to procure 40-60 Su-57 or F-35 which ever is available of such a situation arises...
But when 😡😡😡😡😡
Su-57 will face an incredible amounts of delay due to the state Russia is in.
And F-35 is insanely expensive.
The recent move to increase the number of Netra II aircraft is a hint of India's strategy of dealing with stealthy aircraft.
Engine k bina bna de ? America engine nahi de raha ---- aur yeh bkl tot mang rahe h
f-35 and su-57 is not an option as it kills the requirement of AMCA, additional rafale wud kill the viabilty of having a medium weight indigenous gighter in that case tejas MK2 and tejas mk1 have nothing to do with FGFA program....all hurdles can be tackled while having indigenous engine....kaveri 2.0 is big boost with 95-99 kn engine , collaborate with french schnema for further improvement and own the technology is only way out. india have gain significant knowledge in all dimension of fighter program development, just need to implement it and master the engine technology....
Aukat retired mirages wali hai... Or wish list check kroo 😅😅😅
If the Government decides to go with Korean fighter jets, then it will be a fatal mistake.
Why South korean weapons are one of the best in world
@@MKCREATIVE99nope bruh
💀
Year is 2947... Amca MK1 finally gets FOC
We can do a joint development with Japan for AMCA and other project too. If we can plug in Kaveri with XF9 we can have a world beater engine. Our planners are simply not pragmatic. India-Japan-France alliance can be a major alliance to combat US,China+ Russia led weapons market. All 3 countries have significant strengths and similar approach to R&D .
Japan and the UK are already cooperating on fighter jet development. Why would Japan work with India on the AMCA?
@@sumandutta4834
Yep, they won't.
UK, Japan, Italy are participating on the Tempest.
Any so called collaboration with India will only end up with India as the buyer.
India has to build its own jets.
Its about time.
@@sumandutta4834 A) It is a totally new project that Japan,Italy, and UK are developing
B) Just because they are developing doesn't mean that we can't co-develop with them projects are projects
C) When Japan starts militarising the West won't be so generous. Only France will be in a position to support along with India.
D) We can do projects only with equals France, Japan, and India do not have any 5th Generation jets in their airforce. They all are in the same position so it makes more sense to collaborate
@@ajjunair83 why Japan and France waste thier money on 5th gen while they investing in 6th gen program
@@ajjunair83 That means running two parallel programs which is unnecessary for Japan. Instead they will ask India to join the Tempest with UK.
Japan will militarize till the point that it doesn't raise alarm bells in Washington DC. Japan gained more from US partnership post World War 2. They will maintain it till the end. Countries like Japan or South Korea doesn't mind living under US umbrella. India's view on strategic autonomy is different than what Japan or South Korea wants. These two countries will always remain in US camp, hence we need to be realistic.
France is running their own jet program to compete with the UK. Our position is bad simply because we lack expertise in jet engine. UK or France has funding issues not tech development.
At this point, if we start searching for joint development partner for AMCA, we will end up importing 5th gen platforms too. I think by the time AMCA gets rollout out, some of the tier-1 military powers will induct 6th gen into their fleet. Hope, I am wrong.
If AMCA is inducted before 2035 I'll shave my head.
😅😅 You are safe buddy, you will be safe till 2090 also
maybe by 2135😂😂😂😂
I love sound Su-57 🇮🇳🤝🇷🇺
go for either Dassault rafale or su 57 fighter jets only.
If Manohar parrikar was there and continued as defence minster or any other another person from military background then tejas mk2 first flight in 2024 and amca first flight in 2026 would have happened and mrfa and p75i deal have done by now
Was Manohar parrikar an expert of fifth generation fighter ?
Manohar parrikar ji without jet engine bna dete?Ab USA engine nhi de rha toh kya krre.Only options left are rolls royce and safran and mostly probably inn dono mein se hi kissi ke saath milkar engine bnega amca ke liye
Thanks for saying Bharat Tibet border. 🇮🇳
Isme thanks wali kya bat hai jo reality hai to hai😢
@@GoluBhai-my4xt Because many still call it Indo China border. 🇮🇳
@@thondupandrugtsang kisi ke kahne se kya hota hai history sabko pata hai hamara padosi Tibet hai. Jiske shant swabhav ka fayada uthaya Gaya.
@@GoluBhai-my4xt 👍🇮🇳
2060 : good news defence lovers first AMCA will roll in 2 yers. User trials are successful.
Waiting for Airforce induction in next ten years 🤡
India should focus on AMCA and not get distracted by China and Pak. Period.
We never had the luxury of time, considering our difficult neighborhood. I'm not sure if those in charge of government, bureaucracy, the armed forces, and defense research comprehend this. For the sake of peace and survival, we must constantly be one step ahead of our adversaries.
I think India should not worry about these Chinese junks.What about SU-75 Checkmate?
Don't understand why delay in taking proper decisions in India!
Post Tejas -II, let there be AMCA - I as 4.5Gen.
Import Rafale -5 (5Gen) Aircrafts.
Uplift AMCA - II to 6Gen.
I recently came onto a Hindustan Times piece headlined "PM Modi doesn't want cost overruns and delays in defence projects," which discusses the report that Rajnath Singh received from the Vijay Raghavan Committee. It discusses the complete disregard for the advancement of the national defense research ecosystem, with the private sector excluded ostensibly for reasons of national security; an excessive emphasis on the threat posed by Pakistan while ignoring China; and the fact that Indian defense research is constantly in a state of technological "catch up" rather than "breakthrough." I think this is why we are always in situation where our adversaries made sure that we stay import dependent by choice. Time is the crucial factor. The committee also found that Indian defence research is reactive to what was being done in third countries with no plans to lead in terms of technological expertise or advancement.
But misses to address actual problems
Like testing directorate funding ordering etc
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Yes, I agree. Part of the problem is with end user and govt which the report failed to cover.
Some import with technology transfer should be done asap as we will need 5th Gen fighter soon.
and co-developmemt deal for AMCA should also be encouraged to speed up the project
Pm modi is bowing to profit making company because electoral bonds are important. No wonder the government said making electoral bonds public is not important.
Why India is not Making Twin Engine 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft ?
SU 57 is better than SU 75 CHECKMATE . . ?
"Why India is not Making Twin Engine 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft" - India cant thats why atleast not till we master the propulsion technology and material tech, and it will take a long long time. till then our engine will be behind 6th gen
Are bhai AMCA aur tejas mk_!!kab ayega re....mujhe lag raha h ...khali video dekhna padega😅....
India must join tempest or fcas for sixth generation fighter jet
Rafal is something which we cant put in front of any other 5 gen fighter ......its grt aircraft bt its asking to much from it to put in front any 5th gen...we must go for su57 n do the way we do with su30 mki
S75 check mate is good deal for replacement for mig 21 bison
Yeah it's the new flying coffin ⚰
We need more L band radars awacs based and ground based which detects stealth aircraft (but can't guide weapons) and our su30s upgraded IR SENSOR should be very capable that's only solution I see right now use quantum dot infrared photodetector instead of quantum well in new IR sensor for super Sukhoi..
We have that technology IIT Bombay developed it.. then only our passive tracking will improve in very long range
There is difference between cooking in Lab and manufacturing at cost effective rates.
@@wankmaster69There's a difference between barking in english & actually having some knowledge.🎉
Only China has made decent quantum radars (in terms of range specially 150 kms as per their claim) And are still breaking head on how to counter the US B-21 😅
@@coolkal7590 Remember when chinese make a claim, take it with a pinch of salt. It's not about being patriotic but about not overestimating the enemy.
iaf does not have futuristic vision like navy and navy does not sit like iaf on dead project mrfa you this when project 75i is not happening so they decided to go 3 more scropean submarine
When it comes to strategic advancement time is real asset to be in hand. If real time requirements are not answered then there is no use of long term planning.
Given the speed with which Chinese work on their military projects, Pakistan will have the first squadron of J31 by the end of 2026.
Ofcourse , till then we will continue with "discussion"
Once Rafale purchase/manufacture is sorted out to deal with near future needs, the next big foreign purchase/collaboration like Su30MKI will be for the MiG41 for 6G leap. Hopefully AMCA will be pusued in between to cover for the 5G/stealth requirement and to keep the domestic R&D on track.
With out engine availability India cannot plan for 5th generation plan. But engine finalization is not happening. India wants engine TOT , we bargaining for decades, no body is giving. We are struck with , finally we will buy complete fighter jet, offselve,like rafale
I have a question if you can please make a short video about it. Can rudram missile target enemy AWECS aircraft or not. If it can target then which is the best option - rudram or astra bvr or air defense system like s400 ?
Rudram is Air to Ground cannot be used in Air to Air mode
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Why it is taking so long for Rudram 1 to be inducted if it's ready for induction after all trials?
@@amodmishra3030 air force 🤡
Rudram is air to ground missile
Astra is air to air missile
S400 has ground to air missile
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Bro national security hamesa foreign sanctions sa jada important hai.
जय हिंद 🇮🇳.
The ccs has still not released funds to move the program forward and the file was sitting around for a few days so it's not ADA's or DRDO's fault, it's the government's.
😂 😂 😂 .. Aukat used mirages wali or batain 5th gen ki... True indian mentality 😅😅😅
Aa Gaye katoristan ki awam
Aukaat Chinese junk ki aur sapne kaan jet k with western engine 🥱
AMCA will never be reality, better govt should procure 3-4 squadrons of Su 57 off the shelf
There are no other option, now su 57 after 7-8 year when china will build 6th gen we will buy su 58, then su 59, but the good news is amca always will be in development😂
Yes, get 100 f35.
what if we procure more rafels through MRFA program instead of having russian 5th gen jets which are not stealthy enough. More rafeals will be good option as already IAF operating this jets and we have to minimize the variety of jets operated by IAF for fleet maintainance and spare parts issues
India jb tk 5th Gen fighters lega tb tk Duniya 10Gen uda rha hoga...😂😂😂😂
Rafale are no match to 5th gen as getting a radar lock on these planes is difficult
Or we can push money to tier supplies for increase in production rate of tejus😮
But are stealth fighters an answer to the enemy's stealth fighter? If we cannot detect them and they cannot detect us, will it not end up in a dogfight situation? But if we can detect their stealth fighters, then aren't 4th fighters or SAMs enough to neutralize them?
In the wars that are happening right now, no stealth fighters are being used. US used super hornets to strike Yemen, Russia used their Su 35s to strike Ukraine.
Only answer Stealth can only be countered with stealth That too hundreds of them from 2 fronts Rafales also inadequate now Needed for SEAD too Russia suffered due to this Not able to deep strike to cut off Uko supply lines of western weapons If they had the Su-57s ready & in decent nos. the war would have been long over And you obviously don't need them against rag tag militia groups with no air defence of any kind
No and no. You have no idea how air combat works. It's the range of engagement and the ability to hit them first that reduces. An su 30, while capable, would never make it close enough to a stealth fighter irrespective of the latter being detected because there's a differnce between radar detection and getting a firing solution.
Pakistan total defense budget is less than 10bn our capex budget is 21 bn... But they will get 5th gen fighters before us... 😂😂😂... That's reveal everything going on in defense procurement 😅
holy shit 😂😂😂
Pakistan don't pay for it.. They get it as military aid to server their master country.. During cold War it was American master now it's Chinese master.
Nobody knows what Pakistan paid for J10c, hangoor submarines, SH15 howitzer.. Because they paid none. It's a Chinese military aid to keep busy India on western border
They will use jaguar and mig 29😂
1940s ke planes ke contract private company ko deke unpe indigenous engine mount krke try kr skte hai
RIGHT BUT BHARAT MAY PROUDCTION LINE AND SYSTEM BHOT SLOW HAIN FAST TRACK MAY HONA CHAIYA THANK YOU 🙏
Su 57 and su75. Best option
Please share link of media who said China plane is not a 5th generation fighter. I want to see why they say it's not a 5th generation and their knowledge about stealth plane.
Channel name is cybersurg
Most common beating stick is the canards Can't say the same for the J-31 though ;) These blokes don't read what the USAF has to say about the J-20 Ignorance is bliss 😊
@@coolkal7590 ek baat batao tejas ka rcs 0.5 hai jab ki su 30 mki ka 4 to 20 hai kyun ?
There is only one solution to all this. We need more capable defence minister like Mr JaiShankar.
Jaisa haal MOD or IAF ka at the end 5th gen FA import hei hone wala hai enemies apka wait nhi karne Wale hai ki ab funding karenge fir induction karenge
Let's roll with the AMCA quickly!!!
Rafale f4 is the best for India if France is transferring engine tech. But then, IAF would have to order 250 of them to defend Indian airspace in the next 30 years coming.
YESSSS!!!!! Make in India 100 nos. latest versions 2-seater SU57 Talons and 500 nos. cheapest SEF 5th gen. stealth fighter jets of the whole world - SU75 jets asap soon... jointly manufacturing for whole world exports also Russia-India-Saudi-UAE countries will jv soon!!
How ukraine defeat Russian S-400 😮😮 , please make a video on it 🙏
DRDO needs a major revamp. All the old people need to be retired and younger talent should be brought in.
Without a High gross margin, no private industry wanna involve in this project..
Fed up with this topic of 5th Gen Fighter plane. We can't built in time and we won't buy. Really risking our national security.
Modi ji played good game, salute to Indian army🫡☠️🙏🇮🇳
Kaveri Engine ke funds na rokte toh yeh aaj yeh din nhi dekhna padta. Tejas MK2 kab ka ban chuka hota aur AMCA bhi atleast prototype ready hota.
True and falls. MF private companies are the bigger culprit here, while Kaveri played a part in the past currently it isn't the bigger issue currently.
Pehla toh 40 or Rafal lana chahiya.. then AMCA ko chalu rakhna chahiya... sath ma su57 pa v dhiyan dena chahiya...
Pell te Raho....😁😝😛🥶😄🤗🤗🥰🥰😀😂😂😂😂🤦🤦🤦
Change the defence minister. Rajnath has been a disaster.
I was reading an old piece by a respected PAKAF Rtd. officer highlighting how IAF faces issues with integrating different platforms as we've diversified procurement as compared to PAKAF who've been consistent with their vendors (US & China) ? I think the argument holds water, but to what extent and why despite best efforts CCS seems to sleep and kill indigenous innovations. Mark 2 and AMCA being best examples. We'll never be able to catch up let alone lead with this mindset.
MRFA me hme 5th gen fighter aircraft lena chahiye
Kf21 boramae is a 4.5 gen without an internal bay.
SU 57 is a terrible option. Russia has only made 10 so far and half of them are not even operational. If you think about it, Russia and India were making this aircraft jointly years ago but India pulled out of the project because of corruption so it makes no sense for India to buy SU 57 India should make your own stealth aircraft
Indian civilians must learn to fly kamakazi drone
Amca aur MRFA kabhi nahi hoga 😅😂😂 khayal ka laddu khila Raha hai Government 😅😂😂
I think we need atnleat 54 su 57 to overcome this pressure
More like 4 squads With 5th gen 50% availibility is the norm due to higher maintenance With the hangar queen F35, even USAF struggling to get 40% availibility ;)
@@coolkal7590yeah
India should focus on the 5th & 6th-generation fighters as soon as possible. In my sense, India should purchase it from the USA and continue making India AMCA simultaneously.
Why can't we collaborate with foreign nations & companies on AMCA. There are plenty of countries interested in 5th Gen Aircraft but either can't afford F35 or do not want to become US puppet. Like Russia is doing with Su-75 we can do the same or like Korea we can tie up with a foreign manufacturer if no Indian is coming forward. AMCA will not become induction ready before 2030-35 most likely and by that time many nations will start testing 6th gen fighters so keeping AMCA very secret I don't think should be a reason to worry. No matter what J20/F31 are potential 5th gen fighter & in the forthcoming years they might improve the flaws and I don't think current Fighter of IAF other than F5 variant of Rafale can match them .
Very good point. But it should have been initiated long ago, maybe it's already too late to start a venture
@@dummy9517 But they are also looking for private partners for AMCA everything is ready only prototype development is left with private partner same is the case with Su-75 however the difference is they are using most of tech already tested on Su-57 but same is not the case with us. You are saying too late but as I am seeing with current case AMCA will not be a reality before 2035 i.e a decade similar time will be taken for development of its engine with foreign partner.
Sir....Private-SPV for AMCA might not be that big a problem as GOI can always provide development funding, revenue stream assurance & support for capital investment de-risking...the only reason AMCA / TEDBF development is lagging is the unavailability of required engines... due to this GOI is going slow in releasing development funds....otherwise, i think, our DRDO already has access to required technologies or is near completion for other technologies...engine tech is our top-most bottle-neck....even if it takes $10bn in next 4-5 years, this should be our national priority ie we absolutely need the proverbial "Saam-Daam-Dand-Bhed" effort & focus
Sir, I have a question. We are continuosly hearing that any private body is not coming infront for codevelopment. Does this private entity will work with government entities for development of prototype, or will do production of the fighter. If the case is of second type, then why we are not moving towards prototype development and rollout?? Afterall DRDO had developed many required technologies allready, still why funds are not getting cleared??
GOI wants private entity to lead SPV under Public Private Partnerships and use DRDO as a consultant and facilitate of HAL
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Sir, Do any private entity have any type of experience in this field, because if I am not wrong, then whatever the assembly work of fighter had done in nation was mostly done by HAL. Without experience, companies may not want to be a part of a fifth gen program.
@@AlphaDefenseHindi kya bol rhe ho bhai.. Feb, 2023 me to CDR complete ki h DRDO ne.. Kaha se3 yrs ka delay ho gya.
Uttam radar ka koi ata pta nhi.. Na tejas pe operationsl hua na Super sukhoi pe. Sirf youtubers k vid me h.
Air launched Nirbhay cruise missiles ka bhi same haal h.
Rustam k liye inko technical assistance chahiye foreign se..
We need capable defense minister not one like Rajnath Singh he can hold any other minister but we need desperately need a good minister like Gadkari
Speedup the production at any cost
We are TALKING about it for the last 3.5 yrs - waste of time. We NEED IT TODAY.
Bhart kab 5vi pedi ke jet lega ya banayega
I think India should look for su 75 as a stop gap of our 5th generation aircraft
🇮🇳🤝🇷🇺 su 57 fgfa making india ♥️ made by rassian 🇷🇺🤝🇮🇳 Jai Hind Jai Bharat 👍🙏🌏💪🇮🇳
AMCA not coming before 2070.
Iaf ko sukhoi su57 ki min 2 squadron le hi lena chahiye or raefel f5 su57 5th gen h of raefel f5 5th gen fighter jet killer h
Jai Shree Radhe Krishna 🙏🙏🧡
Jai Bharat Rashtra 🙏🙏🧡
INDIA will deal with france for fighter jet and submarine for MAKE IN INDIA
I know India never import 5th Jen fighter. But definitely import Rafel to make maximum stealth carrectristic.
AMCA needs to be sped up! Come on India!
Pta nhi Mai ise apne jiwan kaal me dekh paunga ya nahi
Ya ye Kyoto Banaras smart City skill India ki tarha ek jumla hi sabit hoga
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Khir I would say ki KF21 borame ki evaluation kro or Lelo
Engine bhi common hai jyada problem nahi aayegi MRO me
What Is the difference between between 4.5 generation fighter like rafael f4 and 5th generation fighter?are 4.5 generation fighters so much inferior to so called fifth generation fighter like j20.?As per me, only 5th generation fighter in service right now which draws genuine admiration is f22
Can't we even allow to build a prototype on time?
2 दुश्मन से मुकाबले के लिए भारत को सुखोई 75 और राफेल विमान लेने ही होंगे बरना हम बहुत पिछड़ जायेंगे