Aikijitsu was the unarmed martial art taught to the imperial guard. As such it is strongly related to weapons disarming, resisting weapons disarms, and moving in armour. These techniques make much more sense for samurai.
the techniques also as a by-product make way more sense and are way more applicable to the grappling initiations themselves where the opponent is actually offering you there hand. This "in tune" with the opponents body only comes into effect when grappling swords or hands.
Sorry, you’re mistaken. The first Takeda scroll reads “Daito Ryu Jujutsu Hiden Mokuroku”. There was no reference to Aikijujutsu until around the time that Ueshiba Sensei received his scroll. Also the term is Aiki-Jujutsu. The word “Jitsu” means something entirely different in the Japanese language. The art that we have in Daito ryu, that is referred to as the art used by the imperial guards, was known as Oshikiuchi, and comes to us from The Aizu-Han, via Tanomo Saigo Sensei.
@@netanelohimwarren3629 These techniques originated from a castle setting, in which someone was either reaching for their short sword or attempting to stop you from reaching yours.
@@NYRenshinkanDaitoRyu The only thing that changed was the name. The techniques of what is now called "aikijujutsu" are 1200 years old, whether Daito ryu, Yamate ryu, etc.
Very useful explanation. Looks like the two could go together well, sort of like drumming, boxing or basketball drills -- you do drills to build the basic skills and train the body parts. Then you do songs or fighting or play actual games to put the drill skills to work. They'll likely not be executed exactly the same way in real situations but they train the body to respond in ways it otherwise wouldn't think to do.
I hope you don't mind if I use your explanation of Aikijujutsu to explain when people ask me what I do in Aikido. Because that is bang on what we are doing at my AIkido club.
Aikido is fundamentally different from Aiki Jujutsu. (i do not mean that in a competetive way, both are equally great and Aikido certainly has its roots in Daito Ryu Jujutsu.) What i mean as you explain Aiki Jujutsu you work (manipulate) the shoulders of the oponent to unbalance and control him. In modern Aikido we focus and mainly work on thi hips to unbalance and take the center. Also the Ki (or Aiki) are fundamentally different; Aiki Jujutsu has a strong shark Ki as modern Aikido cultivates a much lighter Ki. Aikido styles that are in the middle and from prewarstudents often have much Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu characteristics. If you look at Tomiki aikido (Japanese) they also work on the shoulders, as well as Yoshinkan although they already put emphasis on the hips. So in short, dont confuse the two, we also should not describe Aiki Jujutsu to our friends by explaining it as modern Aikido.
@@JustMe-vz3wd Agreed. Aikijujutsu is also described differently among even masters in the systems. Aikido is most similar to the older Aiki no Jutsu fundamentals where it is not primarily designed as a fighting art. It is to build the biomechanical awareness as described in the video (although it could be used defensively in certain circumstances). It is important to take into account that different schools of aikido, aikijutsu, hapkido, aikijujutsu, or whatever your nomenclature is, may vary in the use of Aiki and how it is practiced. I explain Aikijujutsu as a hard and soft style that incorporates 2 factors in order to make it Aikijujutsu. Aiki no jutsu (soft aikido type techniques), Jujutsu (hard / aggressive techniques), and Aikijujutsu (both hard and soft techniques blended together). I think in the Aiki arts it is often misrepresented that they are defensive only due to the necessary energy from the opponent. Really it can and should be used offensively, and should take advantage of the opponent's input. Unfortunately, when we try to explain these systems to other people who may have little to no knowledge, sometimes the best way to describe it is saying it is similar to aikido or hapkido.
To me, what is described in Aikido. No Jutsu needs the "attacker" to hold on when it doesn't make sense. I studied Jujutsu, but attended an Aikijujutsu class and that style had more strikes, so it can vary from teacher to teacher. However, flowing with the attacker, having the uki maintain his reasonless grip, are all hallmarks of Aikido. All jutsu is for self defense, do's are for spiritual/personal development.
The reason for the grip is because the person being gripped is trying to draw their sword (or knife) to kill the gripper, and the gripper is desperately holding on to prevent it. If they let go, they will definitely die, so they hold on, thus forcing the other person to attempt a technique that will allow them to draw their sword anyway. In modern times nobody carries a sword and carrying a knife is illegal in most civilised places so there's no longer an obvious, compelling reason to hold on, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a reason when the techniques were developed.
Thank you! Absolutely, I’d expect there to be differing viewpoints. Naturally, there are many ways to approach the same technique. This perspective comes from Renshinkan Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu. This is the way it was taught to me in Japan, by Somucho Takase Michio.
@@NYRenshinkanDaitoRyu Thank you for responding, Hanshi. Since you train and teach in New York City, are you of Hanshi Miguel Ibarra? And his brand of Daito Ryu?
I am not affiliated with Ibarra Sensei. I represent the Renshinkan Daito Ryu organization based out of Gunma, Japan. My teacher is the head of the lineage, Takase Michio Kancho and I am his representative in New York.
Absolutely correct; that’s exactly why this form of training is not considered self-defense. It’s a technique designed to teach you how to feel micro movements in your opponent’s body, thus making you more sensitive to changes. These are techniques designed to build awareness.
Good question. Essentially Japanese Jujutsu originated from Samurai. If a samurai lost his weapons in battle, his last resort was unarmed grappling. As such, since the samurai was wearing armor, we don’t see techniques of them fighting on their backs. Every throw or takedown where one does go down to the ground, usually ends with the samurai coming back to their feet as soon as possible. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is a derivative of Kosen Judo, which is a sport designed to win over the opponent. The intention of Japanese Jujutsu is survival, in a life or death situation. Whereas for sports martial arts, the goal is usually to simply win. With Japanese Jujutsu, there’s also the cultural aspect of preserving a tradition that dates back to Samurai.
Brazilian jiujitsu is based on judo. The whole emphasis on being on the ground is from judo newaza. Bjj is very different from Japanese Jiujutsu. Keep in mind that Bjj is a marketing term. Prior to the Gracies starting the UFC they never referred to their art as Bjj. They called it just 'jiujitsu'. With the help of director John Milius they were able to market and sell their martial art as something unique.
@@NYRenshinkanDaitoRyu Brazilian Jiu jItsu is a derivative of Kodokan Judo and was influenced by Kosen Judo and Catch Wrestling, the masters Geo Omori (the most influencial), Takeo Yano and Mitsuyo Maeda came from Kodokan and teach the Gracie, Fadda (both from Rio de Janeiro), Sa (nordeste of Brazil) lineages. The Ono brothers were students of Kanemitsu from Kosen Judo (brought sankaku jime in 30´s to Brazil) and teach Carnivalle and Almeida lineages from São Paulo. The structure of ne waza came from the koryus mainly from Edo period. Samurai created some ground techniques, the koryus in Edo period developed the structure know today and Kosen Judo help to create new stuff mainly the sankaku jime and a lots of guards, Kodokan had the techniques but neglected. The Gracie brothers (Helio, Carlos and George) learned Catch Wrestling and in the 30´s organized a competition at the Gracie academy.
Ju Jutsu (pronounced Joo Joot Su) is a Japanese name that means Method of Flexibility, Jiu Jitsu (pronounced Jee OO Jeet Su) are 2 Japanese words that mean 9 peices of Fruit.
Funny, as it often all relates back. Judo, Taijutsu, Aiki Jujutsu, and Aikido, and KappoJutsu are related. Karate came from Okinawa which was an independant kingdom. But then you also have Kendo, Kenjutsu, Iaido, and IaiJutsu for sword. Theres also Archery, spear fighting, Taido, Kenpo, Sumo, and Okinawan Tegumi.
@@ValleyDragon what is swimming oyoide? But they call it something else. Yeah as for unarmed they have jujutsu. Weapons are not gentle so you have like sword jutsu stick jutsu tanto justu fan jutsu shuriken jutsu whichnis odd because shuri is an Okinawan town but makes sense considering they killed invading samurai. I ignore styles and focus on limb destruction using any method. This is my grappling art. I mix in karate. It makes a crude form of jujutsu in theory. Jujutsu was a complete art that was split up along various routes into the modern gentai we have today. Jujutsu = everything Aikijujutsu= less striking minimal atemi Aikido= zen like minimalist Aikijujutsu Judo = Jujutsu minus striking more take down as opposed to joint destruction in Aikijujutsu Bjj = the ne waza taken out of judo buy preserved for combat sake Kenjutsu = killing with sword Kendo= sports sparring with the shinai in shiai as opposed to using the batto from kenjustu Iaido = cutting practice and cutting on the draw Hoppojutsu = using rope to tie up criminals Tantojutsu = knife fighting Kyujutsu= bow and arrow or yumi Yawara= predecessor to Jujutsu Ninjutsu= espionage Ninpo= many schools in one for ninja Taijutsu= jujutsu of the ninja Gunjutsu= whatever it was called when they acquired guns from Portuguese in 1562. I know other things. I oversimplify because people figgt over style and really don't know the history. Theoretically you could take karate, judo, bjj, and Aikijujutsu and it would equal just jujutsu. You would be mixing martial arts and spending years to get many black belts just to cobble together something that resembles one black belt in jujutsu. Seems like a long road to take to get the same results.
@@NYRenshinkanDaitoRyu Well, if I must explain this, it would be very long. but the explanation in the website isnt completely accurate. It is true that ki usually used in eastern medicine a little different with the one in martial art. but actually, if you see the bigger picture, they are actually the same, they have subset in it and can be seen entirely differently than what modern people think All of this ki/chi are rooted in buddhism, and in buddhism, all chi are the same. and buddha doesnt believe that spiritual being is exist
In terms of Aikijujutsu, we do not do sparring since it’s purpose is to study theory and principles only. In terms of our Jujutsu training, eventually when students understand enough of the basics, we do some sparring, in the interest of improving their skill base.
I was also taught that Akijutsu was a "martial skill"; not a necessarily a "martial art". Being, that the purpose wasn't combat, or to defeat your opponent; but to reach equilibrium. I disagree that KI is not a major factor in Aikijutsu. It is through the use of Ki that equilibrium is established and maintained. Jujutsu is different. As it's main focus to to defeat and disarm.
I tend to agree to a certain extent. In very over simplified terms, I think of Aiki as maximizing your efficiency with the given energy being transmitted between both parties. Jujutsu is the base of Aikijujutsu, but the Aiki portion of the system is more than just a flair. Aiki has the potential to make some significant changes in how techniques and a fighting mindset is formulated. Furthermore, while other systems have principlesof Aiki in them (maybe unknowingly), the specific Aiki systems specialize in the instruction of Aiki to train someone to a higher standard, in most circumstances. Particularly with the systems that have the more old school type approach such as Aikijujutsu, Aikibujutsu and Hapkido. I have had the complete opposite experience with my short time studying Aikido. Based on what I have mostly observed and learned in person, it is not the same caliber of training in most instances, unless the Aikido school is prewar era before Ueshiba had a conscious shift, changing the martial art, into mostly just art and expression.
I’m sorry, but you’re incorrect. Also, please remember I’m teaching from the point of view of Renshinkan Daito Ryu. A lineage that you might not be Familiar with. My teachings come directly from the head of the organization himself, Takase Michio Somucho, as I am his direct disciple. Maybe in your lineage, you might have been taught something entirely different; but this is what is taught in Renshinkan Daito Ryu.
Aikijitsu was the unarmed martial art taught to the imperial guard. As such it is strongly related to weapons disarming, resisting weapons disarms, and moving in armour. These techniques make much more sense for samurai.
the techniques also as a by-product make way more sense and are way more applicable to the grappling initiations themselves where the opponent is actually offering you there hand. This "in tune" with the opponents body only comes into effect when grappling swords or hands.
Sorry, you’re mistaken. The first Takeda scroll reads “Daito Ryu Jujutsu Hiden Mokuroku”. There was no reference to Aikijujutsu until around the time that Ueshiba Sensei received his scroll. Also the term is Aiki-Jujutsu. The word “Jitsu” means something entirely different in the Japanese language. The art that we have in Daito ryu, that is referred to as the art used by the imperial guards, was known as Oshikiuchi, and comes to us from The Aizu-Han, via Tanomo Saigo Sensei.
@@netanelohimwarren3629 These techniques originated from a castle setting, in which someone was either reaching for their short sword or attempting to stop you from reaching yours.
@@NYRenshinkanDaitoRyu The only thing that changed was the name. The techniques of what is now called "aikijujutsu" are 1200 years old, whether Daito ryu, Yamate ryu, etc.
Aiki blending- ki-energy - jitsu technique - do - way,blending energy way.
Very useful explanation. Looks like the two could go together well, sort of like drumming, boxing or basketball drills -- you do drills to build the basic skills and train the body parts. Then you do songs or fighting or play actual games to put the drill skills to work. They'll likely not be executed exactly the same way in real situations but they train the body to respond in ways it otherwise wouldn't think to do.
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Thank you very much!
I hope you don't mind if I use your explanation of Aikijujutsu to explain when people ask me what I do in Aikido. Because that is bang on what we are doing at my AIkido club.
Absolutely! Please do.
Aikido is fundamentally different from Aiki Jujutsu. (i do not mean that in a competetive way, both are equally great and Aikido certainly has its roots in Daito Ryu Jujutsu.)
What i mean as you explain Aiki Jujutsu you work (manipulate) the shoulders of the oponent to unbalance and control him. In modern Aikido we focus and mainly work on thi hips to unbalance and take the center.
Also the Ki (or Aiki) are fundamentally different; Aiki Jujutsu has a strong shark Ki as modern Aikido cultivates a much lighter Ki.
Aikido styles that are in the middle and from prewarstudents often have much Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu characteristics. If you look at Tomiki aikido (Japanese) they also work on the shoulders, as well as Yoshinkan although they already put emphasis on the hips.
So in short, dont confuse the two, we also should not describe Aiki Jujutsu to our friends by explaining it as modern Aikido.
@@JustMe-vz3wd Agreed. Aikijujutsu is also described differently among even masters in the systems. Aikido is most similar to the older Aiki no Jutsu fundamentals where it is not primarily designed as a fighting art. It is to build the biomechanical awareness as described in the video (although it could be used defensively in certain circumstances). It is important to take into account that different schools of aikido, aikijutsu, hapkido, aikijujutsu, or whatever your nomenclature is, may vary in the use of Aiki and how it is practiced.
I explain Aikijujutsu as a hard and soft style that incorporates 2 factors in order to make it Aikijujutsu. Aiki no jutsu (soft aikido type techniques), Jujutsu (hard / aggressive techniques), and Aikijujutsu (both hard and soft techniques blended together). I think in the Aiki arts it is often misrepresented that they are defensive only due to the necessary energy from the opponent. Really it can and should be used offensively, and should take advantage of the opponent's input.
Unfortunately, when we try to explain these systems to other people who may have little to no knowledge, sometimes the best way to describe it is saying it is similar to aikido or hapkido.
So many Masters, so few students...
To me, what is described in Aikido. No Jutsu needs the "attacker" to hold on when it doesn't make sense. I studied Jujutsu, but attended an Aikijujutsu class and that style had more strikes, so it can vary from teacher to teacher. However, flowing with the attacker, having the uki maintain his reasonless grip, are all hallmarks of Aikido. All jutsu is for self defense, do's are for spiritual/personal development.
The reason for the grip is because the person being gripped is trying to draw their sword (or knife) to kill the gripper, and the gripper is desperately holding on to prevent it. If they let go, they will definitely die, so they hold on, thus forcing the other person to attempt a technique that will allow them to draw their sword anyway. In modern times nobody carries a sword and carrying a knife is illegal in most civilised places so there's no longer an obvious, compelling reason to hold on, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a reason when the techniques were developed.
Nice Video,Folks
Very well defined, Hanshi! Although there are some things I feel to differ with.
M. Lovio
Shizuya Sato’s ‘Nihon Jujutsu’
Thank you! Absolutely, I’d expect there to be differing viewpoints. Naturally, there are many ways to approach the same technique. This perspective comes from Renshinkan Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu. This is the way it was taught to me in Japan, by Somucho Takase Michio.
@@NYRenshinkanDaitoRyu Thank you for responding, Hanshi. Since you train and teach in New York City, are you of Hanshi Miguel Ibarra? And his brand of Daito Ryu?
I am not affiliated with Ibarra Sensei. I represent the Renshinkan Daito Ryu organization based out of Gunma, Japan. My teacher is the head of the lineage, Takase Michio Kancho and I am his representative in New York.
Hummm! What do you differ with because this could be very interesting indeed because I just finished viewing master sato's videos
I still gotta ask: what if the attacker let’s go or otherwise seeks to foil the technique? My first reaction would be to snatch my hand back…
Absolutely correct; that’s exactly why this form of training is not considered self-defense. It’s a technique designed to teach you how to feel micro movements in your opponent’s body, thus making you more sensitive to changes. These are techniques designed to build awareness.
If the person doing the technique knows what they're doing, you can't let go. That's the whole point. But it takes forever to learn that stuff.
Ok never got answered or understood whats the difference between Brazilian and Japanese jiu-jitsu?
Good question. Essentially Japanese Jujutsu originated from Samurai. If a samurai lost his weapons in battle, his last resort was unarmed grappling. As such, since the samurai was wearing armor, we don’t see techniques of them fighting on their backs. Every throw or takedown where one does go down to the ground, usually ends with the samurai coming back to their feet as soon as possible. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is a derivative of Kosen Judo, which is a sport designed to win over the opponent. The intention of Japanese Jujutsu is survival, in a life or death situation. Whereas for sports martial arts, the goal is usually to simply win. With Japanese Jujutsu, there’s also the cultural aspect of preserving a tradition that dates back to Samurai.
Brazilian jiujitsu is based on judo. The whole emphasis on being on the ground is from judo newaza.
Bjj is very different from Japanese Jiujutsu.
Keep in mind that Bjj is a marketing term. Prior to the Gracies starting the UFC they never referred to their art as Bjj. They called it just 'jiujitsu'.
With the help of director John Milius they were able to market and sell their martial art as something unique.
@@NYRenshinkanDaitoRyu Brazilian Jiu jItsu is a derivative of Kodokan Judo and was influenced by Kosen Judo and Catch Wrestling, the masters Geo Omori (the most influencial), Takeo Yano and Mitsuyo Maeda came from Kodokan and teach the Gracie, Fadda (both from Rio de Janeiro), Sa (nordeste of Brazil) lineages. The Ono brothers were students of Kanemitsu from Kosen Judo (brought sankaku jime in 30´s to Brazil) and teach Carnivalle and Almeida lineages from São Paulo. The structure of ne waza came from the koryus mainly from Edo period. Samurai created some ground techniques, the koryus in Edo period developed the structure know today and Kosen Judo help to create new stuff mainly the sankaku jime and a lots of guards, Kodokan had the techniques but neglected. The Gracie brothers (Helio, Carlos and George) learned Catch Wrestling and in the 30´s organized a competition at the Gracie academy.
Ju Jutsu (pronounced Joo Joot Su) is a Japanese name that means Method of Flexibility, Jiu Jitsu (pronounced Jee OO Jeet Su) are 2 Japanese words that mean 9 peices of Fruit.
@@ambulocetusnatans Jiu Jitsu is a westernized term of Jujutsu
Waht Tempel is it in the end?
Orihime shrine, in Ashikaga.
Thx bro I saw it in a dream I was allowed to put my cloths and weapons there.
Why teach Jujutsu if Aikijujutsu is better?
So basically Japan has only one martial art: Jujutsu
Funny, as it often all relates back. Judo, Taijutsu, Aiki Jujutsu, and Aikido, and KappoJutsu are related. Karate came from Okinawa which was an independant kingdom. But then you also have Kendo, Kenjutsu, Iaido, and IaiJutsu for sword. Theres also Archery, spear fighting, Taido, Kenpo, Sumo, and Okinawan Tegumi.
@@ValleyDragon what is swimming oyoide? But they call it something else.
Yeah as for unarmed they have jujutsu. Weapons are not gentle so you have like sword jutsu stick jutsu tanto justu fan jutsu shuriken jutsu whichnis odd because shuri is an Okinawan town but makes sense considering they killed invading samurai.
I ignore styles and focus on limb destruction using any method. This is my grappling art. I mix in karate. It makes a crude form of jujutsu in theory. Jujutsu was a complete art that was split up along various routes into the modern gentai we have today.
Jujutsu = everything
Aikijujutsu= less striking minimal atemi
Aikido= zen like minimalist Aikijujutsu
Judo = Jujutsu minus striking more take down as opposed to joint destruction in Aikijujutsu
Bjj = the ne waza taken out of judo buy preserved for combat sake
Kenjutsu = killing with sword
Kendo= sports sparring with the shinai in shiai as opposed to using the batto from kenjustu
Iaido = cutting practice and cutting on the draw
Hoppojutsu = using rope to tie up criminals
Tantojutsu = knife fighting
Kyujutsu= bow and arrow or yumi
Yawara= predecessor to Jujutsu
Ninjutsu= espionage
Ninpo= many schools in one for ninja
Taijutsu= jujutsu of the ninja
Gunjutsu= whatever it was called when they acquired guns from Portuguese in 1562.
I know other things. I oversimplify because people figgt over style and really don't know the history.
Theoretically you could take karate, judo, bjj, and Aikijujutsu and it would equal just jujutsu. You would be mixing martial arts and spending years to get many black belts just to cobble together something that resembles one black belt in jujutsu. Seems like a long road to take to get the same results.
Maybe you dont get it, but ki is actually isnt 'spiritual' at all. ki is very logical and following the law of physics
Definition of “Ki”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2686635/
@@NYRenshinkanDaitoRyu Well, if I must explain this, it would be very long. but the explanation in the website isnt completely accurate.
It is true that ki usually used in eastern medicine a little different with the one in martial art. but actually, if you see the bigger picture, they are actually the same, they have subset in it and can be seen entirely differently than what modern people think
All of this ki/chi are rooted in buddhism, and in buddhism, all chi are the same. and buddha doesnt believe that spiritual being is exist
The difference between Jujutsu and Aikijujutsu is "Aiki"
I am very ignorant about your art .just a curiosity question . Do You do some live sparring ??
In terms of Aikijujutsu, we do not do sparring since it’s purpose is to study theory and principles only. In terms of our Jujutsu training, eventually when students understand enough of the basics, we do some sparring, in the interest of improving their skill base.
I was also taught that Akijutsu was a "martial skill"; not a necessarily a "martial art". Being, that the purpose wasn't combat, or to defeat your opponent; but to reach equilibrium.
I disagree that KI is not a major factor in Aikijutsu. It is through the use of Ki that equilibrium is established and maintained. Jujutsu is different. As it's main focus to to defeat and disarm.
Ehhhh Aikijujutsu and Jujutsu are interchangeable. Aikijujutsu gets used for arts that use the concept of Aiki more prevalent.
I tend to agree to a certain extent. In very over simplified terms, I think of Aiki as maximizing your efficiency with the given energy being transmitted between both parties. Jujutsu is the base of Aikijujutsu, but the Aiki portion of the system is more than just a flair. Aiki has the potential to make some significant changes in how techniques and a fighting mindset is formulated. Furthermore, while other systems have principlesof Aiki in them (maybe unknowingly), the specific Aiki systems specialize in the instruction of Aiki to train someone to a higher standard, in most circumstances. Particularly with the systems that have the more old school type approach such as Aikijujutsu, Aikibujutsu and Hapkido.
I have had the complete opposite experience with my short time studying Aikido. Based on what I have mostly observed and learned in person, it is not the same caliber of training in most instances, unless the Aikido school is prewar era before Ueshiba had a conscious shift, changing the martial art, into mostly just art and expression.
You are completily wrong, aiki involve Ki energy and because of that a hiher level a person can atac wthout touch
I’m sorry, but you’re incorrect. Also, please remember I’m teaching from the point of view of Renshinkan Daito Ryu. A lineage that you might not be Familiar with. My teachings come directly from the head of the organization himself, Takase Michio Somucho, as I am his direct disciple. Maybe in your lineage, you might have been taught something entirely different; but this is what is taught in Renshinkan Daito Ryu.