Field Work: Siemens Old Mechanical with New UMMT Elementary School Fire Alarm Test!
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2018
- System Contains the Following -
Panel: Pyrotronics MXL
Pull Stations: MSI-10B
Smoke Detectors: FP-11
Heat Detectors: FPT-11
Horn/Strobes: U-HN-S175 and UMMT
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3:36 that school has police pull stations !! Neat
I didn’t even notice that. Lol
Hey Olivers Fire Alarms, im Hunter Gibson, I just saw ur reply lol
Why lol
My high school in my hometown started having police pull stations in my senior year
It's almost like a Siemens version of what my high school was like. We had a Simplex 4020 system with (severely skipping) 4903-9219's in continuous in the main wing, and TrueAlerts in code 3 (albeit synced) in the new wing. There was even a stray AS.
Rip bathroom users
Also for the memes: 1 like, 1 heart for the lonely Wheelock AS
Nice! Those older pytronics horn stories sound pretty healthy!
I think they do! Some cut off though
Wheelove Fire Alarms there angry horns!
bomb omb lmao
Fire alarm Madness XD
@Jesus Love forgot I even commented this!
That's pretty cool seeing the horn/strobes mounted on those modular classroom panels.
I always love all different types of fire alarm systems with remote strobes included, even in rare systems.
After awhile that would give me headache lol
Cool that they even have a BluePoint system in place!
Our school has a Push-Talk System. And we also Have A Cisco System. Which Is Tied into a Rauland System. In The County i Live in, Push-Talks and Emergency Call Systems Are Required for Lockdowns, Tornadoes and Extended Fire Alarm Activations
I think those are U-MHU’s actually instead of UMMTs...they are commonly confused, the U-MHU is only a continuous or code 3 horn horn strobe sort of like the Wheelock AS. I know because I own one. UMMT’s are more raspy sounding while U-MHU’s are more smooth like the ones in the video.
Isn't the UMMT also capable of doing other tones as well?
+Gary Beltz Yep. In fact, that's what the "MT" in U-MMT stands for. Multi-Tone 😉. Pretty sure that's so
Sound cool! Some of the UNH-MCSs skip like a 7002T because they might be wired in series
My ears are bleeding, I can imagine going to a school with those
Awesome video! Also I saw a blue point solutions pull station did you test them?
Oh my god! This is a very nice and big school!
Kinda interesting how the part of the building with the U-HN signals (as well as the remote strobes and that one random AS-MC-R) are responding to a sync pulse (watch the vid closely...those strobes are syncing), but the hallway with U-MMTs has no sync. I wonder if the U-MMT hall was an addition and they never programmed the NAC or NAC booster panel to follow the MXL's sync
I love that Simplex's 4903 series used this horn mechanism from the U-HN series, yet were far more popular....
Hey nice video! And them Kicks lol.
Wow I like that.sound of the fire alarm
I like the 7002 skip aspect of the UNJ
2:19 there's a Wheelock as
I like the sound of the horn strobes at 0:11 and 2:05
I love fire alarms
in my old middle school they had simens ummt and wheelock mt and the mts scared me more then the ummt
that was awsome
Those sound like the classic Wheelocks from back in the day.
Is the Siemens panel itself causing that skipping? If so, then yikes! Some of them almost sound like 7002Ts cuz of that skipping lol!
Great video once again 😉
I see. Well that makes sense since the U-HN-S17 was around back in the mid-90s if I'm not mistaken (the U-MMT on the hand I think came out in the 2000s maybe. Or possibly the 90s as well).
Interesting though about the power supply. Never would've thought of that
fireandalarm1234 That’s how my school does the alarms. Also why, it takes the strobes forever to stop, after a reset
+Evan Bart 410 Very interesting 🤔
Sounds like this is usual for Siemens then. Weird, but I guess that's just that 😕. Strange syncing issues lol
+Zachary Fleck That makes sense. Siemens did make Sync alarms in which they worked fairly similar like Simplex SmartSync basically (I thought it had a certain name, but it's slipping past my mind 😕).
Also, another scenario to why the horn was skipping could've been the horn and the strobe were wired together in conjunction (not on separate NAC circuits). But I don't think this was the cause 🤔. I think the Sync idea might be more compelling in this instance 😉
+Zachary Fleck That's very interesting. Again, that would make sense though 😕. I could definitely see the out-of-sync effect when the U-MMTs were flashing lol. Yet the U-HN-S17s were flashing in sync I'm assuming. So, I can see what you mean by syncing on the same circuit
The old UHN horns I recommended for public middle schools.
I wished you would film the public Middle and High School In this town.
Got to love locked doors.
This is the sound of nightmares oh yeah yeah
Sounds kinda when the old horns skips with the Strobes are flashing.
Why is there 2 different bathrooms in the newer section?
Reminds me of my tech high school system with the 7002t's
The school I went to for elementary got a Honeywell system with Wheelock 7002t's when they took down the old faraday coded pull and bell fire alarm system it had when I first started. The old system had red lights next to the bells that just blinked on and off when the bells would sound no distinct pattern.
I would think they would have two synch modules one for the old system and one for the Siemens system. And I would like hook up a panel that u can silence them.
What an awesome video. Those Siemens U-HN Horn strobes sounds like 7002Ts when they skip. Also, did I just see a police pull station 3:36?
yes you did see a police pull station
As is American paranoia.
What are the BluePoint pull stations used for?
2:59 There’s A LOUDEST HORN STROBE IN THE SMALL BATHROOM!!!!
THAT IS OVERKILL!!!
And in the classrooms. Horns belong in hallways and large room
We’ll look at the bright side, if you’re on the toliet and you’re having trouble, it will solve to problem very quickly
@@exoticcar5482 my high school has the same setup but they're EST Genesis, horn strobes in every classroom but at least remote strobes in the restrooms.
Sounds like one of those simplex alarms until you get to the noisy Siemens
Ah, a school I recognize! Assuming that Zach still reads the comments on this video: did you ever end up testing (and maybe getting any footage of) this district's older middle school and the high school? Those have some interesting systems! I've been wondering what panel the MS has since it has some really old A/Vs and pulls stations on it, like VALS strobes and old-logo FCI MS-2s. The HS has a fully(?)-addressable XLS so the initiating devices are boring, but it does have a healthy mix of Siemens and Wheelock equipment.
I honestly don’t recall, because I honestly don’t remember exactly which school this was. Wanna send me an email at zach@thefirepanel.com and I’ll see if anything jogs my memory?
2:32 Someone Left their sweater in the hallway!
Cool the UNH S17s are skipping like 7002ts
Spatch Wiseman it also sounds like a simplex 4903
Spatch Wiseman But Wheelock 7002Ts and 7001Ts usually are very smooth sounding, no burbling/brapping.
The only pulsating, usually is strobe-related.
if you notice, the strobes are flashing at each skip. this appears to be a 2-wire NAC setup with sync.
I love how they have the 7002T skip
Wheelock sued them for that lol.
2:23 Why is there a divider between the bathrooms?
is it weird that for some reason I was always scared of those Siemens U-HN-175’s
Do a thanksgiving special. You know there is an SAE HA24D Horn. Can you take a video of that?
So there are no Siemens U-HNH horns in classrooms?
My school used to have an MXL from 1992 with the MT style horns. There was nothing wrong with the MXL. It got replaced in 2016 with an EST 3 voice evacuation panel. Does that upgrade sound needed to you?
Yes because voice evacuation is much better
Are the mechanical horns supposed to skip like they're part 7002T?
Alarms I heard:
Siemens U-HNH-S17’s on Continuous
Siemens U-MHU-MCS’s on Code 3
Wheelock AS on Code 3
I honestly think that these fire alarms are the scariest ones ever because what if you were alone and those went off
No the Edwards 885 is pretty scary when it goes off
@@maiyo8518 I agree
My school has 1 UHN-S110 3 Spectraleart Classic P1224MC rest are UNHU-MCS.
Only one old siemens alarm went off outside of our school idk why none of the other alarms went off
That system should've been red tagged or the school put under fire watch too many malfunctioning devices from your description.
How come you're showing your shoes the entire time rather than the alarms?
Can you do a video with the police alarms going off
2:45 is what my apartment sounds like
Question May sound weird, But I Live in A Group Home. And They Have Wheelock MT's On Continuous. Why do Homes like Those Have To Have Fire Alarms Plus Smokes and Carbon monoxide detectors if They are a House in a residential area. I live in west Chicago. We never use the Fire alarms for drills either. can someone help me out as the people cannot give a clear answer here at my house. its a big house with a sprinkler system too
@@TheFirePanel We live in a House. But the house belongs to the state under a civil agency for children. They have a license stating "Type of facility, Group Home". Even though we are a house on a Residential street. The House owner says that the State requires fire alarm signaling devices because it is Not under a house descripton, but under a Facility. Even though we are residents
Some of the older Siemens Alarms might have to be replaced by System Sensor L-Series alarms.
Why do you say that?
The bathrooms look slightly newer.
I have those in my school
This and the simplex Elementary school in one building would make the playground explode and would just turn into one whole middle school. They would just have to add some locker rooms.
I wish my school has Siemens UMMTs
If they replace the old faraday system they will have Siemens UMMTs
I just don’t understand why schools put Horn Strobes in the Bathroom
I can hear that there's a sync module connected to the alarms.
Sync was actually provided by the panel and boosters rather than a module, but you are right that you can hear the current dip for a moment!
I want a Fire-Lite Ms4, but it cost a lot of money and my parents won’t buy it for me, so I guess I’ll wish for it for my birthday
Technically if this Elementary School and the simplex one would have alarms all on continuous horns as a Middle School.
What the heck is wrong with the old alarms?
That's actually U-MHU.
Why are some alarms more high pitched than others?
I think it’s because they come with it. I believe that it can be adjusted.
whats the name of these alarms
You know, I really enjoy videos that mostly consist of the camera pointed at the ground, looking at the floor as someone walks.
If you really don't understand why, then you need to educate yourself on a topic called privacy violations.
2:48 U-MMT Strobes out of sync!
Not good for people with epilepsy
@@Emmisullivan14 In addition to a violation I think
0:14 it’s doing skipping like the 7002t
Was that a ns ? Or as ? Zach
Nat's life Safety
That’s an AS
First there was that one school with 9219's and TrueAlerts, then this... What's next? Another school with Gentex GMS's and GXS's on a Fire-Lite or Notifier system with Commander3s in the new wing? (or possibly on an EST system but with Genesis horn/strobes in the new wing?)
haha jk
i prefer the UMMT's over the mechanical horn/strobes
Even though the U-MMTs are way louder than the mechanical horn strobes.
The gym horns at least sound straightforward.
And I think I saw an AS
David Conklin DClifesafety hey I have as at my school!
It is a as
my highschool's fire alarms are 90% siemens ummt, and then 10% wheelock zns
they actually are re branded to siemens
My middle school is 45% simplex Mimi horn 45% unknown vibrahorn (I think federal signal) and 10% Wheelock as (high volume)
My school primarily has UMMT’s and in the pool area they have different alarms
@@PlainStProductions03 Are they synced together?
@@chrislp1145 the UMMT’s mostly are, the ZNS’s are I think. I haven’t ever been lucky enough to be in the part of the building during a fire drill that has the ZNS’s
I have UMMTs at my house
2:18 Wheelock AS
0:14 it skips like a 7002t
Dang, these Siemans alarm sound like 7002ts with all that skippin'
2:17 I saw wheelock as inside
The mechanical horns cut off when the strobe flashes!?
@@TheFirePanel that is interesting. And are those ummt's multicandela?
@@TheFirePanel if they are, what brightness they are set to?
@@TheFirePanel there are ummt HORNSTROBES in the bathroom!!??
@@TheFirePaneloh they are U-HN-S175 horn strobes, not gentex gms's
@@TheFirePanel why did they put hornstrobes in the bathroom? Usually the installers put remote strobes in bathrooms
Here's the Alarms:
Skipping Siemens U-HN's
Wheelock AS Set on Code 3
Remote Strobes
Siemens UMMT's set on Code 3 Horn
Siemens UMHUs*
@@s_rv. they do get confusing since they look the same but U-MHU-MCSs only does Continuous and Code 3.
3:35 Blue Point Police Alarm
what do they sound on march time
3:00 why is there a horn strobe in the bathroom
Common around this area
Even worse when a U-MHU-MCS or U-MMT is in there because of how loud they are.
You seem scared when you saw the new U-MMT fire alarms in the Holloway in the school!
The sound is LOUD
What did you say when you said this reminds me
I wished all Elementary Schools Had Code-3
Most of them do but some do continuous and march time.
2:45
One was skipping like a 7002T
From what I could tell all the old mechanical horns were doing that either the MXL was set on continuous and they were all skipping or that panel is set at an unusually SLOW march time. I've seen systems with 120 BPM, 90 BPM 60 BPM, and 20 BPM, and pulse but never this.
@@GaryBeltz Actually, I'm almost certain that they're following the Faraday sync protocol, and that the electromechanical horns did not have their jumpers cut which makes them operate in 4 wire operation.
i thought those were simplex 4903s💀
They're skipping like the 7002t
UNH S17's sound so..... violent. Can't help but to feel a bit nervous.
Siemens umhu: am i a joke to u
MinerMini2115 .......
Parody Of Simplex
like a horn
Who notices that the old mechanical horns are continuous but the UMMT is code 3?
Yeah, when they expanded the system a new power supply was added to accommodate sync requirements. The older parts of the building didn't have to make any changes, so they could continue to do continuous.
Alright
The UMMT can do any tone and the MHU can only do code 3
All the alarms are generally set to a continuous power supply and while the U-MMTs have jumpers/dip switches to output temporal code, the U-HNs do not
@@exoticcar5482 makes sense.
Crap theres a horn strobe in the bathroom 3:06
These things are very loud.
The U-MHU-MCS or U-MMTs are definitely the loudest Siemens alarms I've heard by other enthusiasts.
Sounds like a saw