You're Not That Guy! Why You can't Tank a Sword Hit
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So when I was Olympic fencing I was a party to a pretty rare accident, a sabre tip broke without being noticed and the newly sharp tip entered my palm between two of my fingers and severed a nerve, an artery, and a tendon. My hand was INSTANTLY useless, without the tendon I couldn't make a fist to hold my weapon any more. I tiny hit put me out of action for 6 months after a surgery
This kinda says it all. Like, if you can take a sword hit to the hand, yeah cool. Now what? You can't hold a sword properly, if at all. In the end, It's sort of the same outcome.
An accidental pommel tap while sparring with longswords broke my finger. And we were doing slow work.
@@jewishswordsman9199 I've seen one of those happen, blade tap though. Also slow work. I like clamshell gauntlets now.
@@crowe6961 same. Folks in HEMA ask why I still use my tempered aluminum SCA Clamshells and that finger is why.
For fun in highschool my friends and I used to play capture the flag with shinai.
There was only 5 people who ever no sold a shot without defensive gear.
If we remove the martial artists there was only 1.
I could probably take a sword hit
...if I'm wearing full plate armor
you could take any number of sword hits while wearing a plate armour. While sparring we often had the issue not to realize we were hit (the vision inside the helmet is very limited as well)
I was just about to comment this
Greatsword blow to the head?
@@jackmorgan1710 a good suspended harness, yeah you can ride a lot of head hits. Don't recommend it, and a great sword is probably a step too far, but if it deflects properly, maybe, but would still probably ring your bell.
@@jackmorgan1710 It would just make you dizzy, at most. Besides, helmets are mostly shaped in such a way that the blade would just slide down.
Most of us would be like Luke Skywalker losing his hand.
"AAAAHHHHHGGGGHHHHH!" *slumps to ground*
And then the person fighting us would turn out to be our father.
Very unlikely.
Can confirm, got hit in the fingy by a synthetic and that was my reaction. Even with gloves.
@@jamesblaze21 Join me and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son!!!
'tis but a flesh wound
Look, i watched enough anime to tank a hit man
Exactly! All you gotta do is remember your friends and have a flashback
No... You spend CENTURIES fighting TANKS with a nothing but a PAPER CLIP.
Power of friendship will give me plot armor!
Do people tank hits in anime? I thought it was the opposite.
well. considering the topic is anime, your sentence can be interpreted in numerous ways. one of them would be seeing an assassin (aka "hit man"), and throw an armored vehicle (aka "tank") on him.
Tank a sword hit?! What are you? A Baki character?!
Let's face it, even if one could, and that's a big if, what makes anyone think they'd perform any better injured when they couldn't do so good at their 100%
A star wars character
@@m1santhropist410 😂😂😂
Baki fans ruined calisthenics and everything
This comment won’t age well. Source: I’m a manga reader
Like, adrenaline and shock can make you totally numb (it often happens that people get shot and don't realize it till they see a bucket of blood on their shirt), but pain is irrelevant- cut muscles can't articulate your body anymore. And there are no unimportant muscles or tendons.
Not in the hand, at any rate. Get hit somewhere else, and one may, *MAY*, be able to continue fighting, with diminished capacity,- This has happened in real life, every now and then.
But if you destroy the physical integrity of the hand? Take off a finger, or just break the thumb? It might not completely incapacitate them, but it'll incapacitate that hand, and that's when the next thrust, cut or strike ends matters.
@@fablecouvrette5334 i got muscles that can move my ears, slightly. I consider these secondary systems
@@jochentram9301 I crushed a ring finger, looked up the nearest hospital location, and drove there. No, losing a finger does not "incapacitate the hand."
@@aluisious then uh hold up 10 fingers with both your hand
@@aluisious It doesn't incapacitate the hand, that's just a poor choice of words
What they really meant is you won't be able to continue to fight with a broken/cut off finger, especially if it's a thumb
it's like guys who think they could tank a bullet in the shoulder because they've seen it in Schwarzenegger movies. spoiler : you can't use your arm after that
I have two arms
(I'd probably go into shock)
Or the people who say "just shoot the legs" whenever somebody dies in a defensive or police shooting. Even though shooting the legs is the worst idea imaginable.
1. Smaller target so you might miss. A missed bullet doesn't just disappear. It might hit something or someone else and cause at the very least a major inconvenience.
2. If you shoot the upper leg and hit the artery that goes through there, that's it, it's a death sentence even with Emergency Services being there a minute later. That artery getting shot through is a 30 minute death sentence and nobody can do anything about it. Getting hit in the lung, stomach or liver has a higher survival chance than getting hit in that artery.
Turns out there's a lot of bones in your shoulder that don't work so good after getting blasted to pieces.
People seem to forget that having a muscle cut into prevents that muscle from functioning properly.
Its definitely from the Hollywood version of taking a shot or cut. "Dont worry, Im fine. The bullet didnt hit any organs. Its just a through-and-through."
Like, no bro. Now you have two holes leaking blood and a literal path of torn muscles from one side of your body to the other. You're not still fighting.
@@JPG.01Yeah, a lot of people dont know what the Femoral Artery is. Lol.
Or the fact that you can bleed out really easily from a shot to the calf or ankle due to gravity and the way the human vascular system works.
People forget that getting stabbed or cut with a sword is significantly worse than getting cut or stabbed with a KNIFE
Not necessarily. It can be a lot deeper, but if it's a shallow cut/stab it's not all that different
Granted the sword can rather easily pull off the worst things a knife can. I still remember the security cam footage from some city in São Paulo (Brazil) where 5 dudes invade a house and then come out running from a long-haired shirtless teenager with a katana, who does a very awkward strike while running but it still manages to lop off a hand. The invaders got what they wanted, they had enough time to steal 2 motorcycles but one of them still lost a hand and 2 others were bleeding.
I swear to God, i thought it was a fake ass video cuz let's be real: This shit is anime AF. But when i looked it up it had actually happened
@rafaelcastor2089 You aren't wrong here at all. But chances are, if you take a hit with a sword, it's NOT going to be a shallow and insignificant wound lol. Like you said, the dude with katana took a pretty awkward, probably even a bit of a clumsy swing with it. He most likely had zero legitimate sword skills or training. And he still lobbed off an entire hand! I've been training in martial arts almost my whole life, and the majority of training has been with bladed weapons..Eskrima, Foil & Sabre Fencing, HEMA..and from my own experience, swords do a good enough job at fucking someone up with very little effort that it would be very difficult to land a hit with a sword and it NOT create am incredibly damaging wound lol.
Even a cut or stab with a knife is quite devastating. Muscles are ripped apart, arms, fingers whatever stop working.
A sword has more leverage, it might strikes through the arm instead of "just" wounding it. A sword can penetrate deeper because of the longer blade. But even these things done by a knife are brutal.
And even, if you how ever stand through the attack by a knife, you have quite a high chance of bleeding off.
@@mattjack3983 Did you just skip the "Granted the sword can rather easily pull off..." part?
Hell, i start with "not necessarily" precisely because it's a noteworthy deviation from the rule but a deviation nonetheless
@@rafaelcastor2089 Are you just looking to argue here? Because my entire comment was literally agreeing with you bud
"I could take a sword strike!"
**faints after onion cutting incident**
Kid named onion: *(evil laughter)*
I fear no sword! but that- points to onion- scares me!
you can take a sword strike, but only once and squirm in pain after it XD
I remember my friend showing off his bruises that he got on a HEMA longsword competition. Just straight blue lines running across the body. I thought I'm used to endure pain since I play airsoft, but that is another level
It's not that painful in a fight because of adrenaline, but afterwards having to live with bruises on upper arms and shoulder blades is ouch upon ouch. Sometimes you just sit or lean on something, feel pain, find out there was a big blue bruise there and you can't even remember for sure if you were hit there and when.
Yup. I just got a few new ones tonight. I'm still a noob with minimal protection. Everyone, INVEST IN ARMOR!!! It'll save you a lot of pain.
@@konstantin3374 Once the adrenaline wears off and you touch literally anything with one of those bruises you suddenly turn into Mel Blanc
airsoft...you know those are made to not hurt right? We used to play skins and shirts with airsoft in university, in the dorm hallways.
@Dead_Goat dunno what skins and shirts is. Airsoft BBs can knock out teeth, I've seen dudes squeeze them out of their cheeks like some pimples. Also, BBs hurt quite a bit if they hit your ears/fingers/knuckles/man bits.
Up close airsoft shot hurts like a wasp sting, I think. Tolerable, sure, but not "made not to hurt"
I feel like, due to the way things are portrayed in media, a lot of people do realize that when you're cut, its not just painful, its debilitating.
Lets say someone manages to slash you across the thigh. The issue isnt from the pain your leg is in, the immediate issue that you're going to have to deal with is the fact that your quadriceps were just cut into and can no longer function properly. You're not going to worry about how bad it hurts, because you'll be too busy worrying about the fact that it can no longer hold your weight.
I didn't even think about the muscle I just thought of the severe blood loss
I've been slashed 3 different times in 3 different fights. I wasn't debilitated in any of them and I won. I have scars proving this entire comment section and the OP are weaklings.
@@Indubidably0 Getting scratched while playing tummy sticks with the boys down at the YMCA doesn't count, sweetie.
@@Indubidably0 I think we are talking about hits from swords, not knives
@@Indubidably0 bad bait, get better material
I was thinking something along those lines. "Even if I got hit, cut, stabbed, unless it kills me outright I'll keep fighting and overwhelm my opponent with a sheer power of will" Then I fucked up my nondominant hand over old broken screw. 16 stitches, and whole panel of specialist studying my case "How the fuck you managed to destroy a hand that much yet miss every single tendon, nerve and vessel" Anyways. The moment I realized the damage I new that if it was a fight, I'll be dead in matter of seconds. So good luck to all those tough guys who thing that you have Hit Points in real life :)
You do have hit points in real life silly…just without the s in points
@@CapGin it's more complicated than that.
@@gehlesen559
Of course it’s more complicated than that, don’t need to tell me. For the most part, however, a fatal hit will kill someone while game characters can take multiple hits that should be fatal.
@@CapGin just because it's a fatal one, doesn't mean they drop. This is important, because it gives people with "self dense" -weapons a false sense of security. Most assailants last a couple of seconds after that. And it usually ends with two people going for a long nap.
@@gehlesen559
Alright so let me explain in the way it makes sense ig. So for example, I have yet to see anyone take a blow to the heart multiple times and be able to continue to live nevermind fight…is the point I’m making. It’s what my comment (which was suppose to be a joke) was hinting at essentially with video game characters having multiple hit points and able to take hits like getting a shotgun to the face at point blank range or getting some kind of melee weapon thrusted straight into their chest and continue fighting.
Always remember: in historical accounts for something relatively common odds are if something seems outlandish, that'd because it is. And that's why they wrote it down. Of a duel went "dude got stabbed, passed out" there'd be no real need to record it. That'd be like saying "today the sun rose". It's expected. But if it went "dude got stabbed, ran up the blade, killed the guy who stabbed him, pulled the sword out, and lived a full life" then that's one for the history books. Because no one would expect that to happen because it's absolutely insane.
When you read any sort of historical of account of a duel or other fight it helps if you read it like an over zealous hype man. That'll help you figure out which ones are normal and extraordinary.
Same with laws, as Matt Easton pointed out - if there's laws banning people from carrying their swords around at night in cities, well, it's because they were doing it :D
What's with people holding up their assumptions on a pedestal? Just watch any police shooting body cams, and see how many people keep going after they've been shot. This stuff isn't outlandish, it's COMMON to EVERYONE with the capacity to secrete adrenaline. This footage is all over the internet, so I don't need assumptions when I have video evidence and personal experience to guide me.
@@screwgoogle4993 not sure if being shot does nearly as much structural damage and/or muscle damage as a cut
We have modern records of guns being unable to stop knife attacks despite dealing terminal good night damage.
It happens a lot.
Normally they only record a fatal blow as “the winning move”
Small cuts definitely do more damage than people think. But adrenaline is a hell of a drug. I would argue that it's not the pain of a cut to the hand that puts you out of action... its the fact that you probably don't have any fingers left.
People grossly underestimate the impact of a hand snipe.
Go to the gym and hold a 35 pound dumbbell out straight with a fully extended arm.
That is the minimum just to exist in the position. That wouldn't even be a strike, that would be your sword plus a resting sword extended. No human attached to it.
Cutting wrist can put your hand out of order
Exactly, the point is stupid. If we are talking about a no armor situation: either you can physcially still hold the grip or you can't (probably the latter). If and only if it is physically still possible to hold the sword we can have the discussion about personal toughness. You can be one of those 3 people on earth who do not feel any pain - if your fingers are cut off, you don't have fingers to grip shit. Life can be simple.
@@Christian-dd2qmit's not about "toughness" it's about "shock". I work in trucking and the amount of stories of guys getting out of wrecks with horrible injuries they don't seem aware of... I've personally seen a guy break an arm and be just confused by it not working and another guy impaled by a lift blade and trying to insist he was alright.
I agree that most strikes are going to be debilitating, but if not, I think there's a decent chance that they keep going.
@@daviddegeorge2667 Thank you! That is the next point: Assuming a slash to the unarmored hand - what is what he assumes - does not incapacitate said hand, toughness doesn't necessarily factor in because adrenaline might well take care of that issue. On top of your observations we have ample reports of people getting shot and just continuing seeking cover and returning fire until they finally bled out.
So, I really don't get the point of the entire video.
As someone who has a lot of martial arts experience, I think there's a really important factor to consider here: whether you see that you got hit or not.
Yes, a tiny sword hit can do devastating damage, but unless that damage causes you to actually physically stop in your tracks (a cut to the leg that injures muscles/tendons, a strike that is so hefty it staggers you, or the mentioned hit to the hand that cuts your finger tendons and causes you to drop your weapon), there's a good chance you won't immediately notice it in fight-or-flight mode. Not because you are such a tough guy tank, but because you're more detached from your internal perception. I've had fights where I was fine all the way through, often even beat the opponent, only to later realise that I cracked a rib, broke my nose, or copped some other painful injury - all of which really hurt, but apparently not while I was still fighting. Doing a lot of sparring does kind of numb you to pain, and I'm not particularly sensitive even outside a fight, but I don't think that's the main reason for me not calling it quits after these injuries. Because I didn't power through the pain - rather, I didn't feel any at all in the moment. Now, if a cut is clean, it can often come with a surprising LACK of pain as is, so this might be the case even more for certain sword attacks.
However, whenever I took a bad hit and was consciously aware of it, because I wasn't as in-the-zone, because it was a chill sparring match, whatever the case - it immediately hurt. And what's more, I often got in my head about the potential severity of the injury. I can imagine consciously noticing a sword hit and immediately panicking as I see blood pouring out, etc.
Long story short: Due to my personal experience with not noticing somewhat severe, and, more importantly, fairly painful injuries while fighting, I can 100% see someone getting severely wounded in a sword fight, and continuing to go in if he didn't really see or realise he got hit - unless the attack was a physical action stopper (blunt force, immediate extreme blood loss, or a mechanically crippling injury).
Even if you're willing and able to still fight after getting hit once, you're now probably fighting at a disadvantage. Real life doesn't usually work on game rules where even at 1hp you're still in peak fighting shape. And yes adrenaline is a hell of a drug, but it ain't meth, so injuries still matter 90% of the time.
Doesn't need to be meth. Adrenaline gives you 20 seconds of being able to ignore constant sword hits. I've seen it firsthand. The fight is over by then. Don't make the mistake of expecting the enemy to flinch. They won't. If you're fighting someone who's out to get you, there is no "This is gonna hurt later". You are in a "Sacrifice a limb to survive" situation. Not a "Ahh that's gonna hurt in the morning, I won't be able to do my workout" situation. YOUR ENEMY WILL NOT FLINCH. IF YOU EXPECT THEM TO, AND THEY DONT, YOU WILL HESITATE AND YOU WILL DIE BECAUSE YOURE SITTING THERE BEING SHOCKED LIKE AN IDIOT.
@@screwgoogle4993whether you like it or not, if your bones are broken and muscles severed, you cannot physically use the respective limb. One clean slash across the leg, you can’t walk. One across the arm, you can’t use it an all, much less fight with it effectively. It doesn’t matter if you don’t feel pain if there’s nothing to move it IT DOES NOT MOVE.
Moral of the story: take meth when you get injured in a fight.
@@existentialchaos8 yes🗿
@@existentialchaos8 Not meth, PCP.
Lady friend of mine fought heavy the SCA. She had some many bruises, armor bites and such that she had a heck of a time getting her doctor to realize she wasn't being abused by a boyfriend.
@@simonacerton3478 YO. It's wild that I know a Simon in the SCA who had a similar experience. Just weird seeing your name and hearing about that when you're almost definitely not those folks (and I haven't been to an SCA event in years)
@@calebbridges4748 Small world but 100% I am NOT him as I've never been in the SCA
Remember that one Skallagrim video where he tested a handsnipe on a hand analog?
No, where
@@InspiringBard ya, weres the sauce
My brother got a light cut on his wrist. He immediately dropped the sword in his hand and held his wrist but it still bled severely. The tendons that lift the hand were severed.
By the time he got a long term bandage, he was pale. If he hadn't gotten a bandage in time, he would have bled to death. It didn't actually hurt much, it was a clean cut that stopped at the bone. It took a whole roll of paper towels and some peroxide to clean up all the blood where he'd walked through the house to get a temporary bandage. He had to get the tendons reattached by a plastic surgeon. He physically could not lift his hand with a wrist motion because the tendons were cut, no matter how hard he would have tried. He had to wear a cast for a couple months to prevent strain on the healing tendons. After that, it took time to get his strength back, but he made a full recovery and was able to go back to the gym. He doesn't hold resentment towards the sword that cut him, but he does have some unpleasant dreams and flashbacks sometimes.
How did this happen? I make swords. I had finished one just in time before blade show, it just needed a final sharpening and polishing. It was just a couple hours before we needed to leave on the day long drive, and I still needed to pack. My brother doesn't make swords, but he's made some knives and he's proficient in the shop, so he'll do that last sharpen and polish for me. While I'm packing, I hear the back door open and him levelly but urgently saying "help help help help". My family takes him to the ER. I walk into the shop and see the sword and blood on the ground. I clean up in the meantime. I was thinking he'd get bandaged up and we'd be on our way. Couldn't be that bad, right? A couple hours later I got a phone call. I learned that it was "that bad" and I'd be going to blade show without him. I learned he finished sharpening the sword and was taking it to the buffing wheel. He was holding it diagonally instead of vertically. Left hand on the grip, right hand on the blade where it was being buffed. It caught, ripping it out of his right hand, going down, around, and back down onto his wrist. It's been a year, and he's started using power tools again, but still doesn't use the buffing wheel. He told me about it later, and demonstrated with a karate chop type motion, and it very much resembled a quick, light cut I've seen sometimes in sparring videos. It's less than half the force used on water bottles. Granted this is perpendicular to where it would usually be in a sword fight, but it goes to show how easily swords can give fight ending damage, and some things physically disable needed movement and will power is entirely irrelevant for getting that movement back. It wasn't even a wide hard hitting sword. I can send you a link on patreon to the pictures if you'd like. My brother has given permission.
As for the buffing wheel safety, expect parts to catch sometimes, and think where they'll go when it happens. When buffing sharp things, probably clamp it to a 2x4 or something, and definitely wear cut resistant gloves with long sleeves or something like thick welding gloves and sleeves. On that day, when finishing the buffing that sword, I also wore my chainmail shirt and long sleeves just to be sure. Also, git good, it'll help. There was never a moment where I would have been injured had I only been wearing gloves. Still, no matter how good you are, expect things to catch sometimes and be ready. Since then, I've also upgraded to a variable speed machine, and that helps too.
I want you to know I cringed in empathy the entire time reading that. I physically could not read it all in one continuous sitting. I still feel my adrenaline and a phantom cut lol
@@HariboStarman sorry about that
I don't want to sound rude but does he not put the swords in a vice or some such? I completely understand knives but when I sharpen my machetes I always have them in a vice unless I'm outback with just a file.
*Just read your last paragraph I'm glad to see you're going to start camping them down. Safety should always be top priority with any tool.
Damn, i'm so sorry. There's a reason people call the buffer 'the wheel of death'.
dang... (I make swords too)
The only way you're tanking a sword hit is if you've got *Nanomachines, son! They harden in response to physical trauma*
Nice knife
Just make sure it’s their sword or even then it won’t help…
until the red sword comes in
Or if you're wearing actual plate armor.
Until a better sword is brought in
It’s like getting your finger stuck in a car door just by getting hit with a sword.
I slammed my finger in a car door once. I was unable to do most things the rest of the day
And that's without a sharpened blade.
@@aspiringmarauder666 That happened to my thumb once when I was a kid. Don't remember the exact damage, but I'm fairly sure it wasn't pretty.
no, it's not the same. your finger can't go anywhere in a car door. like comparing driving into a brick wall vs driving into a car that's in neutral is what you just done
@@hazardeur calm down he didn’t mean literally, he meant the sensation is comparable.
I seem to remember that Skallagrim did a testing video once with hand analogues. That video showed just how easy one could sever a hand and why hand protection was so important.
Which is why the entire debate about toughness really does not make too much sense in a non-armor context. Even being impervious to pain - which a handfull of people are due to genetic mistakes - won't save anyone from a cut off finger. When it comes to blunt weapons on bare fingers or swords on armored hands toughness becomes a far greater factor.
I've seen guys who have built up a tolerance for pain for the sake of fighting stop fighting and some nearly faint from the sight of blood not even loosing a limb just a small prick or cut yeah theres a lot of factors at play when the human body takes even a small bit of damage. Let alone a lot of it that is purposefully inflicted by an attack from someone putting force behind it with the intension to hurt or most of the time kill
Yeah, enduring pain doesn't help you if your muscles are sewered.
@@jonasbarka You're not gonna manage that in one hit. Human bodies are tougher than you think. Pain is not relevant in a life-or-death fight, because it only kicks in after the fight is over. You're not chopping anything off. Your enemy is wearing modern clothing. That stuff is armor, if you've ever had to cut someone with a sword before.
@@screwgoogle4993 words to live by when you're the one with the sword. words to die by when they're the one with the sword.
Those people underestimate what a blunt bar of steel can do to someone. Even with a "thin" HEMA rapier, you could cause someone a lot of pain with a moderately powerful cut (I tried this on myself).
People can't come to grips with the fact that most of us are just stormtroopers and extras 😂😂
This is exactly why people started to lose their respect for Unions. Too many have main character syndrome. They won't even _imagine_ coming together to protect one another 😔
Woah, woah, woah, hold on there a sec.
> "most of us are just stormtroopers and extras"
Extras, yes.
Stormtroopers? Let's not forget, the only reason we see them losing on screen is because they're literally up against the (canonically) most powerful force user of all time.
Luke and the rest of the hero crew have plot armor to spare.
Outside of that situation, Stormtroopers are not the Empire's disposable frontline fighting force. They are the elite. The top 1%, only sent out to handle special assignments that regular soldiers wouldn't be able to handle.
Unless you're retired special forces, We are *Not* Stormtroopers.
@@RevokFarthis I second this, stormtroopers are way above us. We be droids.
Looks down at my red shirt 😂
@@RevokFarthisalso, the stormtroopers were also ordered to miss by Vader, basically squaring their plot armour.
It's impossible to predict what someone will do when wounded BUT
1. People in the past generally endured a LOT more pain and injury than modern middle class suburbanites. Sure, there are exceptions but on the whole it's undeniable. No anesthesia for routine dental/medical procedures, much less job safety procedures, many more sharp and pointy things to use in daily life. Not to mention the atrocious child mortality rate that meant only the relatively strong and resilient reached adulthood in the first place. If most of them could be incapacitated by a hand wound, most of us could be too!
2. YOU never know how YOU'D react until you're there. Some people thinking "I'd faint at the first scratch" might fight on with a limb lopped off. It's far far more likely that the ones who think they could, would faint at the scratch.
I wouldn't faint. I'd be screaming like a goat XD
And none of it matters if the fingers are cut off. There are a handfull of people on earth who do not feel any pain. If their fingers are cut apart they cant grip shit no matter their willpower. And even if they still can, I wonder how strong a grip with two or three fingers fewer is going to be.
And then there’s the guy who will smear their blood on your face like a certain UFC fighter
What are, anesthesia at the dentist is for people to weak to feel a little pain.
SCNR, my dentist really believes that I am build different, because I never feel the need for anesthesia. I think, he is just that good and everyone feels the pain more intense because they expect a lot of pain.
@@Christian-dd2qm You naturally have to switch the hand. But that is less of an issue than it sounds like, at least if you did your practise like you should do: Lovingly for both hands equally.
This reminds me of the Black Knight Monty Python.
"It's just a flesh wound."
"You're missing an arm!"
"I've had worse."
@@Nattfare"You liar!"
"Come on, you pansy!"
@@peveral4246”Jerry, I’ve lost both arms before, that wizard guy over there found them for me.”
as someone that has taken a hit from a fencing saber at pretty high speed without wearing any protection
sellswords is extremely right. I had to sit out the rest of practice and apply lotions to the spot for a few days, that spot burned like nothing i had ever felt before.
You're not the juggernaut kids. swords hurt, even fake ones.
Even on a (fencing) gloved hand, I agree on the pain from similar experience.
Agreed, and hand injuries are the worst (and sadly the most common). The pain and loss of use definitely suck..but the worst is not getting to train while they heal :(
@@ultimomos5918 You have still one good hand left man! Didn't stop me for certain, but the pain was really ugly, and I regretted so much to not cool it properly after it happened.
@@Traumglanz definitely, i just do a lot of messer work with my school and not using the offhand for grappling is difficult lol. Actually, the only finger I've ever broken was from punching a thrust from a messer >_
I've been shot, stabbed, and cut... none of that ever stopped me from moving or made me lay down and sit it out. Ok the bullet did but that was because it hit my knee. I still managed to run home 2 miles before not being able to use my leg all that great the next day when the swelling kicked in.
I’m immune to lacerations. I’m just too manly to bleed.
In archaeology the precise location of a battle is often determined by the remains of cut off fingers. Bodies, limbs and equipment were often recorded but lost fingers were overlooked.
Loose a finger; loose control. Loose control and you'll loose the fight, and youf life.
*lose
Some of my friends got hit on the fingers with a bokken during training.... the results were rather painful. A sharp edge at that speed would simply chop the fingers off. Pain or no, you can't hold a sword with no fingers.
What if I scream for like 50 seconds? I think thatll power me up
You've got to scream for at least an episode and a half before you get that kind of power
"You can't break my plot armor! My parents said it's made just for me! " 😂😂😂
Plot twist: that guy’s the kid of the self-insert of the author
remember, you're not a terraria melee character buddy, you don't have infinite defense
i could take a sword IF it's incredibly short, dull, and doesn't hit me
Just say basically any sword if it doesn’t hit you.
@@Aaa-vp6ug what i said is funnier
@@elicenyne fair
Underrated comment. 😂
You should have included a clip from the martial arts channels where they put six of the world's best knife defense technique teachers into a room with a guy with a red sharpie. Not a single one of them walked out of the room alive
That’s John Wick.
yeah it's so strange that the guy with the knife didn't choose to do the 1 action out of thousands of possibilities that I was very obviously preparing my whole body to countering and- wow is that blood coming out my gut? oop-
Nah I'd be fine, I'm built different.
(I drink milk)
Not just the pain, if you slash the tendons and muscles or break bones, the body part physically doesn't work anymore! Doesn't matter how much pain you can take if your arm is broken!
I am totally not criticizing you. In fact, I totally agree with you. All I want to say is that I totally figured out the thing about the hands, when I was a little kid playing with other kids, sword fighting with sticks, trying to be Robin Hood, or Zorro, or Luke Skywalker. Great video. Thanks.
I came to the comments to mention the same type of experience.
I also fenced with saber a little bit (just with a friend) and an accidental but solid hand snipe took me out of it for at least 5 minutes
There's great historical accounts of indigenous warriors continuing to fight after being stabbed/shot/etc.
Pretty massive culture difference between two "gentlemen" in a duel and a culture trying to save itself from genocide.
Adrenaline is adrenaline, the two "gentlemen" will also be quite able to fight to their last breath if their blood is hot enough.
@@leonardomarquesbellini Agreed. I'd also suggest that would happen significantly less.
From what I’ve read, indigenous folks like the Aztecs and the Vikings used drugs. They had some guys get a process done through a shaman and take some stimulants before combat, then just raise hell for as long as they humanly can.
The not-so-native "americans" didn't have this word "genocide" imprinted in their minds by a public indoctrination system. They were already constantly fighting amongst themselves. War and cannibalism were normal. It's not the "indigenous" part that made them able to withstand that sort of injury. It was being human. You can withstand that kind of pain too. Anyone can. That's what adrenaline is for. Yes, this video is made by someone who has never cut someone with a sword before. But you're in the same boat. You tried the "noble savage" story to explain basic human anatomy - why didn't you just say nothing if you know nothing?
@@screwgoogle4993 Way to repeat some very obvious and disproven YT supremacist talking points. It's not a dog whistle when you make it this obvious. It's just blatantly racist. Enjoy being ostracized. When you're completely alone on your deathbed I wonder if you'll have a moment of self realization.... Probably not. I'm sorry you have to live like this.
100% correct. When I was doing Kendo years ago, I had a sparring session with my instructor, and with just a series of taps with the sword he wrecked me. You wear padded gauntlets and use bamboo swords, but man that hurt. After 2 minutes, I had big goose eggs on the back of my hands, and bruises up and down my forearms. When he saw them he apologized, because that was when he remembered that I was a massage therapist. I had to work the next morning. It took me a month to get over the battering (including work on my arms to reduce the adhesions that left me in pain). But I didn’t give up! I had another sparring session, this time with another classmate. I won, but when he hit me on the back of the hand… in the same place that my instructor did a month before?
That was when I gave up Kendo. I could not continue working in massage if I was going to keep getting my hands messed up.
It might sound odd but give HEMA a try if you want to continue with swordsmanship. We use heavier gloves and ironically, the steel hits lighter, primarily because it's heavier than a shinai meaning people don't swing as hard but also because in general people have better control.
In the 4 years I've been practicing I've only broken one finger. Aside from that it's mostly just been bruises to the chest (thrusts) and upper arms/shoulder/thighs, which honestly aren't that bad.
I wonder if there will be people in the future like
"Yeah I can take a gunshot just fine"
Brother there already here
50 Cent
“You won’t be able to take the hit”
Armored combat: “that’s literally why I’m here.”
Everyone gangsta until they lose a finger or two.
In a fight, drawing first blood can be a huge advantage. Clarifying your opponents mortality is a morale boost to you and strikes fear into them.
Not to mention it hurts like fuck getting punched in a fresh wound
you'd be surprised the amazing strength people hold especially when they know that they may die
yup i ran 2 miles with a bullet in my knee.
Maybe you’re not that guy, but I’m pretty sure I’m him
Amos Burton: I am that guy.
Yeah the expanse characters survive some absolutely wild stuff lol
I mean, not exactly no? There was a clip a while back of two idiots fighting with sharps in the middle of the wood with no equipment. One of them got hit in the arm very badly and didn't even notice due to all the adrenaline in the fight
This. And I personally know a guy who had been shot 5 times while stabbing his attacker and neither of them stopped after recieving 1 injury. Guy who was shot thought attacker missed all the shots and only realised hes been shot when he took bath to taje blood off realising it wasnt blood from gwtting pistol whipped to head and stabbing his attacker, but the blood was coming from inside of him, only then he called ambulance.
Yeah, one situation doesn't prove the millions of other situations wrong.
Many of those strikes to the handguard would remove the hand. Ya, people watch too many movies.lol
No they wouldn't. Ever actually done it? I have. YOU watch too many movies. Limbs are not so easily severed, even wrists. You can look at videos if you want. I've done it myself so I don't need to.
I've seen it with machetes and scimitars in places like Iraq, Djbuti Africa, and Qatar. I know what I am talking about.
Exactly we watch movies because there cool real life is not cool we’re all just pathetic maggots who can’t even survive a single wound. Our creator hates us with a festering malice we can’t even imagine. There are no heroes only people who fail to see how completely weak and pathetic they are and then die pitifully shrieking like babies in agony.
Excellent writing in this comment, but uh... morbid... LOL...
A lot of Chinese straightsword technique is about trying to cut the tendons on your opponent's hands so they can't hold a sword. Doesn't matter how tough you are, you're not going to keep fighting if you can't close your hand around your weapon.
Best sword is anime folded a trillion times
Reminder that there is a reason as to why people are remembered for tanking a hit and continuing to fight, it’s *really* rare
Unless you're really hyped on adrenaline (and I mean in full survival mode) having your hand (or anything else, really) torn open by a blade is gonna make you stop fighting.
It's not like getting a papercut.
I was watching a foil bout when one foil snapped during a ballestra lunge. The shortened, now stiff blunt foil landed on the back of the glove. Still managed to break a bone and completely disable the fencer. That was just blunt trauma, if it had been sharp!
If it was sharp it would have gone through the hand and probably not break any bones. Gorier, but faster heal time.
Even with the bamboo practice swords most people can't take one to the body.
It kinda just folds you over. We used to use Shinai as they are cheap and cheerful simulators, and remember I was stepping forward, didn't move my sword before my foot (Rookie mistake) and took a stop thrust from one. I just kinda stopped, and folded over it, and had to go sit down. Had a bruise which covered about 1/8th of my Torso, and was hard to breath for a couple of days.
Most people can in a real fight.
I've had my finger jammed once by one and instantly dropped the staff I was blocking with took days to use that finger again properly
@@pyramoon8134 ya my friend broke my hand through the hand guard once only time I ever was made to drop something.
@@screwgoogle4993 Yeah, this particular example is a bad one. It's just impact pain rather than a physical issue like a severed tendon that outright disables no matter what. When I had an incredibly painful injury while swimming, I was still able to fight through it to get to shallow water where I wouldn't drown first.
If the injury is just pain, in a life or death scenario it can often be worked through
Former old-school carpenter, 30 years competetive Viking re-enactor, dabbled a bit in HEMA till I got injured. Also military historian. Yes, sometimes you can continue with a crushed finger, I have (not cut though, only crushed and thus still attached), but it still breaks your momentum as the pain shoots through you, you will pause for a few miliseconds, which is enough for a skilled opponent to deliver a serious attack. Yes, we know from Afghanistan (and now Ukraine) that a 5.56 does not necessarily stop a man on drugs and/or in fervour, but hands are different. We have so many nerves in our hands, for hands are what we use for everything, and those nerves will shoot pain through your brain when injured. Hands are also so very important for control of your weapon, and if your hand is injured, you have less control- this I know from experience. The only places I have taken more debilitating hits are elbows, head (I was K.O.-ed) and knee.
Professional fighters continue fighting even with hands and feet broken. Pat Berry vs Crocop comes to mind. So, it is possible with adrenaline and the mindest of a trained killer. The far bigger problem is that you won't have much of a grip left if you can't use a bunch of your fingers anymore. Even if you can still hold your sword, how strong will that grip be?
@@Christian-dd2qma sword doesn’t just break the hand though it severs tendons, artery’s, and fingers rendering it useless no tendons mean it simply can’t move doesn’t matter how trained your mind is no tendons no movement
@@jameson1239 That was my point.
"The far bigger problem is that you won't have much of a grip left if you can't use a bunch of your fingers anymore."
Now the question is, can you sword a hit tank?
People often tend to forget how fragile human body truly is.
A severed muscle will make someone incapable movement. Forget loosing a finger, if your brachioradialis in your forearm (that big Popeye muscle) is severed, you won't be able to close your hand to hold your sword. Sword are capable of causing extensive damage efficiently. The only weapon more efficient is a firearm.
Great video, David. Show it to everyone that uses a sword like a baseball bat at tourneys. :D
Yeah your opponent will just sit there and let you perform surgery. Or do you actually think you can aim for a muscle in a serious fight? Why don't you just come out and say you have no experience?
It’s not really surgery… it’s just a single whack to the arm, mate…
Why so agitated?
I don't feel pain properly at all, so it likely wouldn't be the pain that stops me cause half the time I just won't feel it. But you really don't need to feel it; if I snipe your hand you're almost certainly losing a tendon, and if you lose a tendon good luck gripping anything.
People like to think that the ability to shrug off pain is an end-all-be-all in a fight; but I can probably shrug off any amount of pain due to how fucked up my nerves are, but if I have a nerve severed or interrupted blood circulation or a dislocation I can't just magically force my body to move anyway.
A car doesn't feel pain, yet how often does it break down? How much to you have to baby that 2001 Toyota to keep it limping along? Pain is there to keep you from getting injured worse, it doesn't make you more durable. You may fare better in a fistfight, but swords do a lot more than inflict pain.
not me i would simply look back to my friends who believe in me and heroically find the willpower to stand back up and immediately take a second, even worse sword hit
This works I’ve tried it
those who say they could tank a sword probably never did any sort of housework in a kitchen. a cut from a knife to a finger never incapacitated me, but I dread to think how a much bigger cut with much more force would feel like. also, I had my fair share of encounters with a scalpel in other situations. people are crazy, tanking a sword hit, what the heck are they thinking?
Having seen actual deep lacerations, cuts, from knives, machetes etc and the long term misery that can cause someone with rehabilitation or loss of limb function.. I find the idea of being cut or slashed by a sword horrifying. Losing fingers or limbs to it is grotesque. Genuinely difficult for me to stomach due to empathy pains.
It may further the delusion of invincibility for some armchair fencers, but on a personal level I find the Hollywood/video game style of tanking stuff or a quick stab -> death far more dignified looking, and less difficult to watch, if completely unrealistic.
Its good we educate people on it and sober them up about the realities of combat and war, but I wouldn't want it saturating my media. Imo it sucks a lot of the 'fun' out. Definitely works if you want a more grim or realistic tone to your story though!
We have many accounts of people taking rounds and not even realizing until they’re told they’ve been hit. It may very well drop them in a few minutes, but within a few seconds, you cannot predict how someone would react to getting injured.
Yeah, people die from minor things. But can very fucking hard to make just drop dead, hence boar spears having traverse bares, people having to track deer hitting the torso. It is general bad martial practice to straight up assume that just cus you hit a lethal spot, the guy just going to drop like a sack of potatoes from it. It even happens with firearms. ruclips.net/video/25QOKmFXC_4/видео.html It is common enough that it showns up in a treatsies. People can fucking bleed allot. ruclips.net/video/9cwA8xxPG64/видео.html Deathly blow=/= disabling blow.
Yes. Adrenaline can be an amazing painkiller.
Exactly.
The problem with hand slashes though is that your tendons get cut. Even if you’re high to high heavens on adrenaline your hand still becomes utterly useless.
@@blurb8397 True, but on the other hand you could be stabbed through the heart and kill your opponent before dropping dead yourself.
People who thik that they could take a hit from a sword and not change course... must have never experienced real danger before. You don't get that much say in what happens next. The importance of training is to increase the odds that you'll make a *good* decision for survival, whether it's fight or flight
The guy who tried to kill me took 12 sword hits before he ran away. YOU have never experienced real danger before. YOU can't imagine someone ignoring sword hits because YOU think "it would hurt". Don't project. All you've done is parrot the thesis of a video made by someone who has never cut someone with a sword. Well I'll tell you what it was like. It felt like hitting a heavy bag with a stick, minus any kind of sound. No grunts, no scream of pain, no gushing blood noise. NOTHING. It was dead quiet out, all I could hear is the scuffling and the breathing and the "I'm gonna get you n*****". Tell me again how I've never experienced real danger before. Tell me again how that guy didn't get within 1 inch of my throat with his knife. Tell me again how I didn't cut his hand in half lengthwise and how he didn't continue chasing me. Goddamn liar. You don't know anything.
Another thing to keep in mind is that those probing quick hand cuts are pretty low risk for the person delivering them. You can return to your safe guard position pretty much instantly whether it hits or not. Also, getting hit in the hand or wrist might not instantly chop off your hand or make you drop the weapon, and I've never been hit with a sharp sword, but I would imagine it could cause your body to react in a way you didn't plan, maybe creating an opening for the person who just hit your wrist or hand to follow up with something a lot deadlier. In unarmored fighting going for the hands is just plain smart. As for the whole "are you that guy" thing...I mean you only get one chance to find out if you're that guy, and if you're not....it doesn't matter because you're not around to enjoy it or do it again. Hell, even if you do survive a hand or arm hit and deliver a blow to the other guy...I mean how long are you going to be able to enjoy that victory? Probably not long. Self preservation is important.
Dudes, a stupid training partner hit my left index finger with a dulled viking sword (yeah he didn't tell me it was an actual sword that r***rd).
The result: Artery cut, all nerves cut, the amount of blood itself made it impossible to grip the sword any longer. I had no pain since I was lucky the nerves were cut if I had had pain the moment I was in pain would have giben my opponent the half-second advantage to finish me off. His sowrd was onehandedm and though that idiot put a lot of force into the cut for no reason (he hit me while I was tightening the straps of my helmet) it's nothing compared to the leverage-force of a two-handed sword grip
Despite feeling nthing it takes half a sewcond for your brain to realize that something is off (shock settles in), that delay in reaction alone is enough to be killed.
People who write nonsense like that have no clue what it means to actually fight, they are into violence because they haven't experienced it. My guys, you are not the main characters, you are the guy in the background getting an arrow to the head.
You could easily tank many hits, in armor, which is designed to do it.
-"That tap would do nothing against me"
*Procede to hit toe on table*
-"Plz! Call an ambulance!"
That is completely different. As someone who has been beaten, shot, stabbed, slashed, choked, and thrown through walls... Stubbing your toe is the worst pain one can feel.
Only with armor and/or hard drugs can one tank a sword blow.
This argument came up a lot when teaching kiddos with foam swords. When they did the "I cannot be stopped by a sword strike!" we would just hit them upside the head with one of the foam swords and they would naturally flinch and go "owwwwww!!"
Yes. Surely, you, small child who has watched too much anime are capable of withstanding sword strikes. You definitely did not just recoil in mild pain to a foam practice sword. Surely not. You are Goku, master of power and destruction and none can face you.
So... back to basic forms and how dodging is the best form of blocking. Everyone line up in front of the mirror wall please!
Getting hand sniped hurts well enough with a foam sword. Every now and then someone drops the sword even then. Now imagine that but sharpened steel. Not fun.
Wich is, just another reason for me. Why i would never want to have a REAL fight irl..it is not worth the risk. Swords are NOT TOYS. As for Hema..learn to keep your hands as safe as possible. A strike to the hand can still break bones.
This reminds me of arguments in DnD that "Guns should be Super Lethal! Way more lethal than everything else!" and it vaguely makes me wonder how much damage they think a six foot long blade or a two pound weight being swung at 50-odd miles per hour would actually do to someone.
I have a scar on the side of my thumb; the side that no longer has any sensation on it. It was sliced through with a basic folding knife that someone was trying to stab me with and cut my thumb instead during my attempt at a disarm technique. I didn't notice it until I was in my car hauling ass away, and my steering wheel had become slick with blood.
That was just a knife. A sword is a *much* longer lever, with much more force at the tip. Anyone who has full confidence they can "tank" a sword hit, has never tanked a respectable blow from an implement in their life. There's a reason why weapons are force *multipliers,* not additions.
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Anyone who has worked construction knows that a small knick from a drywall knife can bring some of the biggest dudes to tears, so you can imgine a sword, a weapon purposefully made to maim and kill.
This is the same blustering that people make saying things like " I could take a wolf" where a wild wolf would quite literally eat a jacked muscle man for breakfast.
This is why people complaining about the knee attack in season 1 of the witcher always bothers me. Like, sure you could technically strike the guy who just shoved a sword through your femur, but you probably are too busy fucking dying to be that guy.
Hand shots are totally valid targets but sometimes I like doing sparing sessions where you disallow hand shots because it forces you to step in a little.
Sellsword Art: "You can't tank a sword hit."
Some dude in full plates: "I'm pretty sure I can."
I think the people making those types of claims are ones who don't cook their own food. Even a dull knife can slip right through a finger before you even realize it when cutting something. A sharp sword is going to lop off those digits, even with a tap.
"I can tank a sword hit!"
You couldn't tank an open-handed slap from a particularly large man, don't lie.
I think it's all fantasy. Everything. How are these people to know . I bet they don't even realize they can't actually run out with a katana in your mouth and use it. All they know is fantasy sword play
Swords or no swords, anyone who's ever gone to the emergency room with a bloody limb knows that it doesn't take a severed limb to disable someone.
Humans are very fragile, look how easy we break in accidents.
Just wear gauntlets or gloves lol, then you can grab the blade and control it without worrying about your fingies being cut off
Whoever things they can take a sword hit and ignore it would probably cry over a paper cut.
oi, just get a hand mold of balistics gel, and show them.
i mean id like to see that :D
Tank a sword hit? Brother, I can hardly tank a papercut.
On top of that, medieval "hygiene" was an issue. Open wound? Nope, you're out.
Even with modern medical care infection is always a risk
I did once cut my finger with my sword and the reason I stopped doing what I was doing was because of the blood, there was very little pain. There is a difference between what you talked about and what happened to me. Your talking about a strike with a sword and I was just stupid enough to try to stop my sword from falling (out of the scabbard) with my bare hand.
I would say that the reason why your fighting would be a factor in you staying in after being hit. If it is your family you might forget about the pain and keep going more often then if it is just for points.
So, armored gloves? I’ve cut my own hands numerous times; I don’t like it.
I like to say "assume your foe can do things you cannot" 😋
Naw I'm built different. Sword wouldn't even cut through the skin
Badass main character
I've had a rolled-tip sidesword poke a few centimeters into my hand in sparring. It was the most painful thing I have experienced, I instantly dropped my sword and cradled my hand. Not a lot of afterblows were thrown after that lol.
But....but...but I have 60 Vigor!!!
Not if I'm fully geared up in my plate mail!
naked and afriad would be a good show for this fella 😅
hey, really nice editing on this vid!
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