Kemet Comparison - with Tom Vasel
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2021
- Tom Vasel takes a look at the 2 editions of Kemet and compares them!
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Imo, apart from the player boards (and the box art), I dislike the art style a lot, very simple, scarce, the board is horrible compared to the other one which was much clearer.
I agree , I would like the tile tray . Just don’t see getting this version over the old one . Can you just implement the rules from the expansion with the old base game .
@@Slyfox1775 Gary Pope (a youtuber from a couple years ago) had a great solution for the Tiles of Kemet. He used coin holder sheets and slid the tiles in. That way when you unbox, the tiles are all set up, and it's easy to pass the plastic sheets around for people to see. Now the tiles do stick out a slight bit from their pockets, but it works well enough. I tried to find his original video where he shows this, but it must have been in a boardgame breakfast segment years ago, and there's no way I can find it now.
If you can't picture what I've mentioned, let me know, and I'll post a pict onto my instagram account.
Edit: Found his video for this on his old youtube page:
ruclips.net/video/WFtQUFQH94s/видео.html
@@Slyfox1775 The 1.5 Kemet rules are pretty close to what these ended up being. The biggest problem with straight using these rules is you're lacking all the tile rebalancing.
Agree!
Happy to see that the only big changes are cosmetics and as I like the old look better, I will be able to upgrade my game just by printing the new rules and the new tile player's aid. Nice for new owners, but I'll stick with my old version
I found the balance changes which is one of the big draws from me possibly getting blood and sand, and they all look really good. I'm glad they nerfed Initiative. It still looks worthy of the 4 PP cost without being a brain dead OP tile to always try and buy. Legion is more expensive which I think is totally fair. Looking through at it all I think Matagot did a GREAT job in knocking off the rough edges of the Tile balancing.
I have the old one. Love it. Would like it if I could just get upgraded minis.
Teenage Tom making an appearance at 5:00
I strongly disagree with regards to the tiles. The original tiles look much better. The symbology on the original tiles is much clearer and more easily understood. The original board is WAY better. I don’t know what they were thinking with that board. I also like the more colorful original box cover, not that that really matters much.
This looks awesome esp the new minis but yea prolly just stick with my old version of Kemet. I’m not even sure I agree that the new pyramids are better, it was quite clear to me just looking at the number on the 4-sided die what the level was, now you would need to judge the height of the pyramid piece.
Thanks for the comparison Tom! What do you think about the new end game? Do you prefer it to the old one? Or it can drag due to leader bushing?
They also added ports along the Nile that allows leaving the delta.
Excited to pick this up at retail in August!
The rebalancing of tiles (especially the blue/sapphire track) was actually my biggest draw. I wonder what you thought about veteran tokens. They are nice but another rule that feels like it could have been incorporated more with the rest of the game. I agree about the map, very hard to find temples at a glance now.
There is a lot of nostalgia affecting these comments and opinions which I totally understand but as someone who didn't own the first one I far prefer every aspect of Blood and Sand. Just my personal opinion, no one is right or wrong so I'm not sure why people are hating on B&S so much, just don't buy it. Everyone has their own opinion. One of mine is that the old art looks like an episode of the Thunder Cats or GI Joe visiting Egypt.
Thanks Tom! I never owned it so I bought the new version on your recommendation and review
I bought this about a month ago and it came with all the upgrade trays and stuff so maybe they're part of it now
The new edition looks pretty cool. Hope to see it published in my country.
B&S is not required to play with the new Book of the Dead expansion - Matagot said as much during the campaign, and green “pyramid” dice were available as a separate add-on to be able to incorporate it into the original edition.
Not showing those 3 bars on the tiles if they are empty would have made them look much better. I'm not sure why they decided to make them that way. The art on the tiles also looks more washed out than the original. Strange decision.
I own and love Cyclades and have always been tempted with Kemet. I was hopeful that this edition would be my jumping in point, but I’m struggling to get past that board. It looks photoshopped and not at all polished. Shame...maybe I’ll wait for 3rd edition.
Don't let that ruin this great game ;)
The original board had more distinct art, but you get used to playing on the new one pretty fast, it's really not that bad.
I bought the original Kemet a while back despite finding the board incredibly ugly. After seeing this new version, I still prefer the original, and suggest you pick it up as well as C3K if you still can. The C3K expansion makes the original worth it over this reprint. Then again, if you can't get the original, the game is still good enough to warrant getting this second edition!
I have the new board on the table right now in front of me and it looks amazing! Doesn't look photoshopped at all. The detail is awesome. Maybe you just need to see a copy before you decide. But hey to each their own. We're having a ton of fun with it so I would still highly recommend at least checking it out.
I heard that the cardstock for the cards is quite thin and cheap. Is that true?
Can you play this version with the old board? Would that cause any problems?
Yes. The only thing that's broken for core map is the green expansion tile Apophis. Apophis is able to move to any region next to the river. Two regions next to the river are enemy city regions. So, you'd have to house rule the movement. Additionally, one of the players is much less affected by this Nile movement in OG Kemet.
I have Kemet.. I like the idea off tweaking some but that art style is so much worse. Just why whould you do that when you have a great looking game?
They also readjusted the Divine intervention cards.
Not feeling compelled to upgrade. I'm not even convinced yet that I should use the 1.5 rules.
The 1.5 rules are really good.
One biggest change to game play is everyone starts the game with a free level 1 tile, totally changes the dynamic of the game
I like that idea. Will be doing that next time we play.
I don't think I've ever seen an updated edition that gets everything wrong as much as this one. Even the new iconography on the power tiles is worse. Hopefully the old version is still readily available for people to buy, because Matagot really, really missed the mark with Blood and Sand.
Yeah they really missed the mark, that must be why they made no money from it.
@@Puddleford Not an argument when a lot of that money came up front based on hopes, not results.
but i love the older box :(
With Tom Vasel 1? Is there more than 1 Tom Vasel? Is that how he's able to handle the crazy amount of content he makes and running the Dice tower?
EDIT: The title has been edited - it used to say "with Tom Vasel 1"
I knew there was no way he could do all of it alone!! I wonder if they share hats...
:D That was exactly my first thought too xD
Tom cloned himself back in 2007 and every week all six clones play Dune and the winner assumes the name of Tom Vassel 1, then the remaining five Tom's play Scythe and the winner assumes the name of Tom Vassel 2, then the remaining four play Azul and the winner assumes the name of Tom Vassel 3, the remaining three play Cockroach Poker and the winner assumes the name Tom Vassel 4 and the last two clones play Shobu and the winner assumes the name Tom Vassel 5 and the loser has to clean up the game pieces every time they drop the box contents for a review.
@@andrewh5568 This is gold!😂 Reminds me of that Calvin and Hobbes storyline where he clones himself and they have to take turns going to school
I bet that Tom 1 is from alternate dimension that came with Chief S. to help save the galaxy.
There is a whole group of Toms forming Vaselverse team to take down Mecha-Stalin from the future.
Anyone know where to get those power tile trays?
I don't know but it's an easy 3d-print. There seem to be files on yeggi/thingiverse (I know there are trays for each color at least) and if there aren't it's an easy job to make them with freeware. If you want to do this but don't know anyone with a printer, google "3d printers near me".
Be aware: the unblockable damage on the card is damage you have to deal to yourself.
There are some unblockable from DI cards you can dish out too during battles...!
Thank you! I was playing it wrong for quite some time... It is never mentioned in the rulebook and I havent played ta seti
Which do u prefer, nexus ops or kemet?
Great video, respect you opinion, prefer the 1st edition.
Why does everything look like some early 90s computer art? I hate it so much, absolutely hideous. Apart from the box cover, which does look quite cool. It's such a shame, because I like the game a lot and was looking forward to the new version. But I can't bring myself to spend any money on that.
Yeah lame design
Also the previous Kemet logos were much better than the new simplistic and easy to do one from B&S.
Yeah, I hated my first play but Tom kind of sold the gameplay here, except the art is not very modern.
Im not with you on this one. I never touched Kemet because i hated the Artwork. Im so thankful they changed this with B&S. I love the new Board and Pyramids and really didn't like the old Board
Yeah I kind of been doing the comparison too, too me the old tech tiles, old gameboard seemed nicer but the new miniatures seemed to be a lot better(larger and some cool models for the different colors) I also like the new player boards better, the new art is cool but I wish they had made some extra player boards using the art from the previous version then you can just pick your favorite character to play as.
Is the old board compatible with the new version?
Yes and no. For the base game (by which I mean everything in the base version of Blood & Sand) the answer is yes. However, if future expansions are of any interest to you, then there might be a problem. The Book Of The Dead expansion (green pyramid) has Apophis as a giant mini which can move on the Nile part of the board. Given that the board is slightly redesigned (I think the original version had 1 or 2 player cities next to the river), there will be some issues incorporating that.
And as for future expansions, who knows? There will be a future expansion, that's for sure because both the victory point board (as well as the playmat that I bought with it) have a 6th VP track for a 6th player. But again, if you're only interested in the base game, then I don't think you'll be running into issues with the old board.
Having both expansions, and moreso having the Cyclades crossover, I'll be sticking with my old version.
Thanks for the comparison. I have the original and as much as I love it, it doesn't seem to hit the table as much as it should. Having said that. I will definitely not upgrade. While the new one has some positives, there appears to be a lot of negatives too. The new tiles don't seem as nice as the old. I never found that any tiles were unbalanced, but that may be because I haven't played the game so much to be completely immersed in the meta of it. The trays are not a big deal, I slid all my tiles into plastic coin holders which greatly helps with setup.
The new board is straight up awful. The old one may be showing it's age a bit design wise, but the new one is just ugly. The overlays look hideous. I had no idea those were supposed to be "storms" until you said it. Thought it was some weird tie-dye pattern or vortex or something.
The pyramids are ok, i guess.. but not enough to make me leap into getting this. I still like the old D4s (even though they're technically not pyramid shaped).
The one thing I do like, are the army pieces, the larger ones look nicer for sure.
The player mats are fine, but the old ones were fine as well. So most things seem slightly nicer in the new one, but it doesn't blow the previous one out of the water. So I would agree with you, if you have the original, no need for this one.
Felt like he kept noting how they were "the same", and yet kept denoting the new one is so much better. Not convinced... I think my orig with 1.5 rules will be my version moving forward. The tiles and board are sharper on the old version imo.
Will they ever make a solo version? This game is so cool and beautiful.
i like the art of old one better
I thought I was going to be the only that liked the first edition better. I don't know what it is I just am not compelled to switch to this.
I will not be so sure the balancing of the power tiles in B&S is really that balanced. I think original Kemet was perfectly balanced and I played Kemet a lot. Also not sure the new version is an improvement ruleswise.
Turn order changes are an improvement. Last player wins is an improvement. Can only enter one city space of an opponent per action is an improvement. Now, most of these rules are rules you could play with the old version, but they are definitely better :-)
@@quadparty I use Ta-Seti win condition and 1.5 turn order rules (used them for a while as a house rule before they were official).
cool
What is up with the board! I understand if they game the storm cover-up tiles to save on printing two sides of the board...but if they're gonna have art on it anyway (which I find pointless as you need the board to play and I don't see anyone framing a board game board) then why bother at all in the first place! If anything they had to spend more to print the storm tiles additionally...although I'm not sure if it has any relevance to the game, haven't played Kemet in years.
Some companies (especially European ones) do not like to print on both sides of the board, as one side will be a lower quality based on how the material overlay is attached. Printing storm tokens probably cost little, as they likely had space on the punchboards anyway.
As far as putting art on the back, you have to put something there so it mine as well be a picture.
You can't make it work for all the player counts with 2 sides.
2 player blocks a temple on the West side of the river. East side of the river is unused.
3 player blocks nothing. East side of the river is unused.
4 player blocks a temple on the West side of the river and a temple on the East side of the river.
5 player blocks a temple on the West side of the river.
6 player blocks nothing.
Original Kemet had the same issue, but it used the overlay tile in 6-player (or any of the 1 vs many) games.
To support the different player counts, you'll at a minimum need 1 tile.
I'm guessing the version reviewed was a retail not kickstarter
The trays were kickstarter so I think that may have been kickstarter.
@@Tristavillus thanks
I kinda like the more vibrant colours of the original more over the rather washed out look of the new one. I mean, just look at the font on the box. It has that glorious over the top style over the minimalist approach of today's world.
Who is Tom Vasel 2?
still undecided after this video
Anyone know if this game is going to be available in Retail?
Yes, its not a KS exclusive. Upgrades are a different thing, though.
Just get both and combine it to a better game all together.
Oof new tiles look so washed out compared with the original! Kind of glad I kept my original copy overall, but still basically the same great game with Blood and Sand, so don't hesitate to get it.
As far as I'm concerned, there's no Cthulhu in the green expansion. They wanted to make it Cthulhu, but reskined it last minute.
Cthulu and Nar come in the kickstarter version, at least mine did. Not going to use them, but I'm happy with more minis :p
I can hardly tell the difference between lvl3 and lvl4....
This is not a better variant, and the reason is simple: the original Kemet made it rewarding to attack, by lowering the punishment for doing so. The new (well, already in 1.5, but here it goes even further) rules punish you for this, and so hugely change the dynamic of the game and it's absolute best point.
What? The whole point of playing Kemet is that you had to be aggressive, that's how you get the points! Is one of the reasons why it was very different in terms of combat to other board games!
@@TheRatedOniChannel exactly. And sacrificing your troops after a battle at a 1:1 cost encouraged that agression. With the 1:1-1 ratio now included it makes the exchange less attractive, making players go for a more positional strategy, because any losses now hurt you far more.
How does the new version punish you for attacking?
(The new veteran tokens make up for the new 1:1-1 ratio for recalling troops)
@@Clorox41 I agree. I don't see how the new version punishes a player for attacking. The -1 recall is very minor and made up for with the veteran tokens.
In what universe are those new player boards better than the old ones? I never played Kemet so I thought the old boards were the new ones when you showed them. Maybe they're functionally better because of the player colors but that's it! Good to know though that I don't need to buy the new version of this game.
Meh, I’ll stick with my old version. The fact the games are still pretty similar will make the older version worth a lot more in the years to come because people will want the original over the new, eventually. With the advent of 3D printers you can print the trays or player board covers. I actually prefer the dice pyramids to the pyramids and yup...if the 3D printable pyramids aren’t out already...they will be soon. More than likely, those will look even cooler than the ones included in this box.
The main problem with Kemet is the rule book! It is just not acceptable! And as a new player who havent played the old Kemet its very hard to google rules and guides since half of them are just wrong and the others are for some old rules or some weird interim rules
I like the new board myself, but the playmat even more.
What names did they change ?
The most noticable one is the "Slavery" "White Power" tile is now the "Hand of God" "Diamond Power" tile.
@@VaultBoy13
oh then Im definitively hunting down the original one thx
The new board is a real downgrade compared to the original. And I hate the overlays, it's such an ugly bleh on the map.
Interesting how Tom didn't mention the new rulebook. It's really bad.
uglier than the old version for sure. whay do they have changed the dice pyramides, thats one of the collest thing about the first kemet.
Tiles - New color style look terrible
Pyramid - Good50/Bad50
Miniatures - More Details and Bigger (Curved spear as always)
Map - Clean but not bring any gorgeous
No battle card, Obelisk in VDO
I do agree with reprinting games, but you think with as vocal and as critical as board gamer tend to be they companies would hire an art consultant or something. At least screen some of the art in front of people. This isn't the only tragedy of this kind of "makeover." The functionality of it i love... but im not spending a premium price on something that looks this awful. And Kemet is a game I want in my collection. Im the one they are trying to sell to.
The trick (which I have experienced personally) is that different communities of gamers have very different expectations on what the art should look like (how realistic of a style, how much to forefront clarity, etc.). I am speaking beyond just the general "art is subjective." It is quite possible they did consult with other artists and they thought this product was good for their biggest market (which is normally not Kickstarter backers).
An art director would be a good idea, but hell, even a boardgame focus group. Put a notice out on BGG for people in the area to come in for a focus group. Especially Kemet fans who have played many times. Seems like a straight up obvious part of a redesign.
I have the original and all the expansions. I chose not to back this one, as it seemed like more of a money sink. I think they were planning on adding a Green colored set of powers too. How much variety do you really need in a game like this? The original worked fine as is. I downloaded the 1.5 rules but that's where I decided to stop investing in Kemet. I believe on the KS they were offering some kind of "upgrade" package but I didn't buy that either. The only problem with the original is unfortunate terminology like references to white power and slaves, which I believe they fixed here.
The upgrade pack was a rip off . The old version is awesome so why bother .
1. Slavery existed in ancient Egypt and Slavery still exists in Africa today.
2. White/Black power in Kemet has nothing to do with White/Black Power in the political theater.
The major problem with racism today (at least in the U.S.) is that people keep trying to make everything about racism.
For that, the new Kemet/Matagot Games can take their virtue signaling BS and shove it.
IMO I love my original Kemet, I love the art and graphic design, it just has a classic look. It's strange how they managed to make the remake look drab and to me more bland and the board.. looks terrible. Old school Kemet all the way!
Man, the new board really sucks.