I remember watching this the day it was posted. Came back to watch it again after listening to Christianity Today’s recent podcast on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill.
So, watched this for the 1st time tonight. I began attending MH in 2004 and moved to Portland in 2013. I practically wore out my bible when I was there. Had to have it rebound, actually. I was away from MH when all of this was happening and my heart hurt for what was going on and the people that I knew who would be wounded by this. I cannot speak directly to the whats and facts of the why's and how's. But i can attest to the fact that Mark was instrumental is helping hundreds if not thousands of people become part of God's family. Again, i cannot speak directly of what happened once I left, only to what I experienced while under Mark's teaching. I miss it dearly and what many people don't get to or mention was the music at MH. The music was as anointed as was Mark's messages. If you haven't heard Red Letter's "Destructor", you should. As for the comments below criticizing Mark and Reformed Theology for that matter, I have to take it that none of you are preachers and therefore may not really be able to understand your own "critical" thinking. Reformed Theology is Authentic, Biblical Theology. What I believe now is that any church is hard to build from scratch and it will not get easier as time goes on. As churches increase, so will false teachers and those who willingly scorn those who chose to preach the Word. But, as both of those increase, so will those who follow the teaching and will be led to accept Jesus. As Mark has apologized, I accept that. Prayers that he and his family heals well.
This man is a revolting example of why churches need strong oversight structures. I note he is not screaming and accusing people of dreadful sins during this announcement. Strange, as that's how he operated. Good riddance.
I am submerged in rage and grief and terror an panic and SEVERE PTSD. I'm so all alone, and all I feel is trauma. I am abandoned and betrayed; discarded. LIKE GARBAGE. Debilitating paralyzing panicked pain: My best friend abandoned and betrayed me. I am suicidal and despaired. Desperate. Breathless. Hyperventilating. However, in the midst of this, I've learned these lessons: - what him and I had: was an AMAZING BEAUTIFUL adventure! for whatever reason, it wasn't meant to last... I'm grateful though, to have had it for the 17-months, that we did - everything happens gradually then suddenly... - children make everything about themselves, adults still do the same (very erroneous) - I'm better without him because I want TRUE LOVE, THE REAL THING. THE FULL MEAL DEAL. he's better without me because he wants 100% focus on his businesses and moving off-grid. ultimately, eventually: we'd just be in each other's way... - NO MORE: Victim mindset - NEVER talk shit about myself - stop comparing self to others, put self on a pedestal - stop taking shit personally, he has his wounds and traumas and insecurities, too! - standards and boundaries - inner child healing - prioritize self - be how you would be as a confident person - be in alignment - me and my two sisters are the generational curse/trauma breakers in our blood line...🔥🔥🔥
People want to blame Driscoll for the downfall of Mars Hill. But in truth, it was a failure of the entire church - especially the elders who desired power over and above Mark. Their unwillingness to submit and listen, as well as follow biblical examples of conflict resolution, led to the downfall of Mars Hill. If you have ever served as a pastor, you will understand the failing of church leadership on all those levels. If you have never served in said capacity, then you will blame the leader only because he is the only one you visibly see and he is an easy scapegoat. Look to your own sin and quit blaming others for your bad decisions and sinful disobedience.
As someone who has been kicked while I was down by Mark, I have no sympathy for him. If you see how Mark acts today he has not changed one bit. This whole statement was probably typed up by his wife and it is all fake.
Just got back to Jesus (working my way back) after a 20 yr absence. Regardless of his downfalls and shortcomings, I’m here to learn about the trinity..not about Driscoll…but I enjoy his delivery and his preaching. That’s my personal opinion and does not have to match yours. My working relationship is with God himself but I have no issue listening to Driscoll teach the word. No man is perfect and that is part of this journey we all call life.
It’s absolutely heart wrenching that a church community-that meant everything to so many people-was torn apart because of pride. My heart breaks for what happened here.
Mark Driscroll I believe in you and still respect you and love you. Kee strong. What you do is tell the sore truth and is desperately needed in this day and age. Men do need to be told and confronted.
People think that conservative, Reformed men delighted in this day, but actually, it’s heartbreaking. The public witness of the church has been marred by Driscoll. And it’s the case with many of the guys in the Elephant Room series. MacDonald, Driscoll, Perry Noble, they are all gone. Furtick is still, weekly, preaching shallow sermons. Hopefully this will bring the church back to repentance and faith in Christ.
What's interesting to me, Steve, is that the Reformed men I know personally are, each and every one, arrogant, dismissive, and selfish. They think they know the truth, and everyone who doesn't agree is stupid and needing education and rebuke. Driscoll is a good example of this, although I am comparing his public persona to my personal acquaintances, I know. Furtick might present shallow sermons, but I'll take him any day over condescending Calvinists.
@@ekinwilliston AGREED, except for that very last statement. Not sure I would take Driscoll over MacArther for example; but John is pretty condescending.
He help to initiate a system of abuse to his own congreagation. He not only was a very abusive man but installed men who were of the same demeanor and had no business leading others (deacons, small group leaders). Even cursing at fellow member was deemed acceptable if they felt they were enforcing what they felt was right. It was a very toxic environment. I was there and experienced this. In the end, the fellow brothers he said he was going to hold himself accountable to( as he stated in thisd video), he shortly told them I dont want or need your counseling. He then packed his bags and started a new church in Arizona. I beleive he isnt fit to be a pastor because he is running from the issues that brought this all about. Its hard to watch this video knowing all this and making himself out to be a victim. I hope there is true and sincere repentance. I only write this to say be careful when these public statements are made.
@@SquadJuiced there is a whole podcast going into all the details and includes interviews with a lot of his victims and people that were close to him. it's called The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill. There are also detailed interviews with the two top leaders and board members (look up Warren Throckmorton). He is an evil arrogant man who can play victim whenever he chooses and use charm to win people over. he refused to be disciplined when everything came to light and instead resigned and moved to Arizona and started another church without a board or anyone to hold him accountable under the guise of "God told him to"
Christopher Frost, are you aware that Mark Driscoll took Funds from the Church Offerings to purchase his Book to make it Best Seller? I think you should be asking Mark if he is truly Born Again!
I’m just learning of Mark Driscoll as he has accompanied great people of God that I highly respect. I hear he resigned to pastorship in the mega church he lead from scratch and that many libraries were taking his books of their shelves. Then I heard Ps Jhon Piper comments on the matter and made me even more curious about what happened. But when I see and listen to this message of Mark addressing his church, I have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration of his humility and courage recognizing his flaws and the necessary steps to be taken. I’ll pray for him and his church and that he emerges humble and stronger, to be a greater blessing for God’s people.
Yokoah+24. No I don't play God. I just worship. And I don't put Pstors on Pedastals bedause they always fall off. Sounds like you have a little Hero Worship going on for Marky Mark.
@@genavieveshaw5654 you’re a straight up hater. What form of worship are you taking action in? You as a believe have the responsibility to glorify God in all the things you do, and being hard-hearted is the opposite. You should be praying for this man and hoping that he has changed with love as the foundation. Take the log out of your eye before you take the spec out of his, because he’s a man forgiven by God; if God can forgive him in grace you should be able to do so as well. Praying that YOU will be born again, and that your heart will represent the irresistible grace of Jesus Christ. Amen.
@@ianhastie5785 How do you justify name calling, interrogation and accusations then immediately quote scripture about judgement? Seriously, are you qualified to pickup the first stone? As for your prayer, I have no comment other than I question your misplaced sincerity.
No he's not. He's a fallen man. In need of a Savior. A man that loves Jesus. A man that decided to give his life to preaching the gospel. And a man who made tragic mistakes and missteps. God loves him. And so do I. I love you as well. As does Jesus.
I recall when your pride yelled at everybody like another pharisee. Are you going to tear your clothes like Caiphas? To whom much has been given much will be demanded.
Wow - he's so direct and humble. I think very highly of him. He is not perfect, but none of us are! Pastor Mark - continue on with being a teaching pastor. I have learned so much from you!
smooth words and charm is a common trait of psychopaths. look into the damage he had done in countless lives and the damage to the faith of several people.
@@debbieforhim7800 It really seemed like there was a concerted effort to take him out. Other pastors are so jealous. Mark fed people the word, he smacked the men around w/ the sword of the word and they responded. He didn't tickle people's ears or use a prosperity message. Somehow that was wrong though? I never saw that he lived large either, but supposedly he was taking money, from his own church(es) he worked so hard for?
I remember watching this the day it was posted. Came back to watch it again after listening to Christianity Today’s recent podcast on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill.
So, watched this for the 1st time tonight. I began attending MH in 2004 and moved to Portland in 2013. I practically wore out my bible when I was there. Had to have it rebound, actually. I was away from MH when all of this was happening and my heart hurt for what was going on and the people that I knew who would be wounded by this. I cannot speak directly to the whats and facts of the why's and how's. But i can attest to the fact that Mark was instrumental is helping hundreds if not thousands of people become part of God's family. Again, i cannot speak directly of what happened once I left, only to what I experienced while under Mark's teaching. I miss it dearly and what many people don't get to or mention was the music at MH. The music was as anointed as was Mark's messages. If you haven't heard Red Letter's "Destructor", you should. As for the comments below criticizing Mark and Reformed Theology for that matter, I have to take it that none of you are preachers and therefore may not really be able to understand your own "critical" thinking. Reformed Theology is Authentic, Biblical Theology. What I believe now is that any church is hard to build from scratch and it will not get easier as time goes on. As churches increase, so will false teachers and those who willingly scorn those who chose to preach the Word. But, as both of those increase, so will those who follow the teaching and will be led to accept Jesus. As Mark has apologized, I accept that. Prayers that he and his family heals well.
This man is a revolting example of why churches need strong oversight structures. I note he is not screaming and accusing people of dreadful sins during this announcement. Strange, as that's how he operated. Good riddance.
I am submerged in rage and grief
and terror an panic and SEVERE PTSD.
I'm so all alone, and all I feel is trauma.
I am abandoned and betrayed; discarded.
LIKE GARBAGE.
Debilitating paralyzing panicked pain:
My best friend abandoned and betrayed me.
I am suicidal and despaired.
Desperate. Breathless. Hyperventilating.
However, in the midst of this, I've learned these lessons:
- what him and I had: was an AMAZING BEAUTIFUL adventure!
for whatever reason, it wasn't meant to last...
I'm grateful though, to have had it for the 17-months, that we did
- everything happens gradually then suddenly...
- children make everything about themselves,
adults still do the same (very erroneous)
- I'm better without him because I want TRUE LOVE,
THE REAL THING. THE FULL MEAL DEAL.
he's better without me because he wants 100% focus on his businesses
and moving off-grid. ultimately, eventually: we'd just be in each other's way...
- NO MORE: Victim mindset
- NEVER talk shit about myself
- stop comparing self to others, put self on a pedestal
- stop taking shit personally, he has his wounds and traumas and insecurities, too!
- standards and boundaries
- inner child healing
- prioritize self
- be how you would be as a confident person
- be in alignment
- me and my two sisters are the generational curse/trauma breakers
in our blood line...🔥🔥🔥
Hey! Are you okay? What can I do to help? I’ll be praying for you!
People want to blame Driscoll for the downfall of Mars Hill. But in truth, it was a failure of the entire church - especially the elders who desired power over and above Mark. Their unwillingness to submit and listen, as well as follow biblical examples of conflict resolution, led to the downfall of Mars Hill. If you have ever served as a pastor, you will understand the failing of church leadership on all those levels. If you have never served in said capacity, then you will blame the leader only because he is the only one you visibly see and he is an easy scapegoat. Look to your own sin and quit blaming others for your bad decisions and sinful disobedience.
He's just sorry he got caught. Now Driscoll is doing it over again in Arizona.
it's hilarious how radical he's become since he's left Mars hill.
How?
As someone who has been kicked while I was down by Mark, I have no sympathy for him. If you see how Mark acts today he has not changed one bit. This whole statement was probably typed up by his wife and it is all fake.
Just got back to Jesus (working my way back) after a 20 yr absence. Regardless of his downfalls and shortcomings, I’m here to learn about the trinity..not about Driscoll…but I enjoy his delivery and his preaching. That’s my personal opinion and does not have to match yours. My working relationship is with God himself but I have no issue listening to Driscoll teach the word. No man is perfect and that is part of this journey we all call life.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
1 John 1:9
he hasn't confessed his sins. he has done nothing to repent or restore what he ruined.
@@caleb281 how do you know this?
It’s absolutely heart wrenching that a church community-that meant everything to so many people-was torn apart because of pride. My heart breaks for what happened here.
Love you Mark!!
Mark Driscroll I believe in you and still respect you and love you. Kee strong. What you do is tell the sore truth and is desperately needed in this day and age. Men do need to be told and confronted.
People think that conservative, Reformed men delighted in this day, but actually, it’s heartbreaking. The public witness of the church has been marred by Driscoll. And it’s the case with many of the guys in the Elephant Room series. MacDonald, Driscoll, Perry Noble, they are all gone. Furtick is still, weekly, preaching shallow sermons. Hopefully this will bring the church back to repentance and faith in Christ.
What's interesting to me, Steve, is that the Reformed men I know personally are, each and every one, arrogant, dismissive, and selfish. They think they know the truth, and everyone who doesn't agree is stupid and needing education and rebuke. Driscoll is a good example of this, although I am comparing his public persona to my personal acquaintances, I know. Furtick might present shallow sermons, but I'll take him any day over condescending Calvinists.
@@ekinwilliston AGREED, except for that very last statement. Not sure I would take Driscoll over MacArther for example; but John is pretty condescending.
What is wrong with MacDonald?
keats182 www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/february/james-macdonald-fired-harvest-bible-chapel.html
Keats 182....where have you been..James MacDonald...just look it up on theInternet. What sleeze bag and crook.
So what did he do? He did a 30 minute video apologizing for stuff he never said he did 😂
He help to initiate a system of abuse to his own congreagation. He not only was a very abusive man but installed men who were of the same demeanor and had no business leading others (deacons, small group leaders). Even cursing at fellow member was deemed acceptable if they felt they were enforcing what they felt was right. It was a very toxic environment. I was there and experienced this. In the end, the fellow brothers he said he was going to hold himself accountable to( as he stated in thisd video), he shortly told them I dont want or need your counseling. He then packed his bags and started a new church in Arizona. I beleive he isnt fit to be a pastor because he is running from the issues that brought this all about. Its hard to watch this video knowing all this and making himself out to be a victim. I hope there is true and sincere repentance. I only write this to say be careful when these public statements are made.
@@RedMcc his church is down the street and we attended Christmas Eve, loved it. Now I’m conflicted.
@@bm421 Understandable. I would be incredibly careful about trusting MD as your spiritual leader. ×shudder×
@@bm421 Look at the leadership structure at the church. That will tell a story. He has set up a new church where there is zero oversight.
@@SquadJuiced there is a whole podcast going into all the details and includes interviews with a lot of his victims and people that were close to him. it's called The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill. There are also detailed interviews with the two top leaders and board members (look up Warren Throckmorton). He is an evil arrogant man who can play victim whenever he chooses and use charm to win people over. he refused to be disciplined when everything came to light and instead resigned and moved to Arizona and started another church without a board or anyone to hold him accountable under the guise of "God told him to"
I miss you, Mark.
Jeremy Gross i don't.
@@genavieveshaw5654 Are you a Christian?
Yes I am. Are you?
Are you upset because I said I don'tmiss Mark Driscoll?
Christopher Frost, are you aware that Mark Driscoll took Funds from the Church Offerings to purchase his Book to make it Best Seller? I think you should be asking Mark if he is truly Born Again!
I’m just learning of Mark Driscoll as he has accompanied great people of God that I highly respect. I hear he resigned to pastorship in the mega church he lead from scratch and that many libraries were taking his books of their shelves. Then I heard Ps Jhon Piper comments on the matter and made me even more curious about what happened. But when I see and listen to this message of Mark addressing his church, I have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration of his humility and courage recognizing his flaws and the necessary steps to be taken.
I’ll pray for him and his church and that he emerges humble and stronger, to be a greater blessing for God’s people.
Did he repent for taking the Church offerings to purchase copies of his book, to make it a NY Times Best Seller? Is that why you respect him?
Yokoah+24. No I don't play God. I just worship. And I don't put Pstors on Pedastals bedause they always fall off. Sounds like you have a little Hero Worship going on for Marky Mark.
@@genavieveshaw5654 you’re a straight up hater. What form of worship are you taking action in? You as a believe have the responsibility to glorify God in all the things you do, and being hard-hearted is the opposite. You should be praying for this man and hoping that he has changed with love as the foundation. Take the log out of your eye before you take the spec out of his, because he’s a man forgiven by God; if God can forgive him in grace you should be able to do so as well.
Praying that YOU will be born again, and that your heart will represent the irresistible grace of Jesus Christ. Amen.
@@ianhastie5785 How do you justify name calling, interrogation and accusations then immediately quote scripture about judgement? Seriously, are you qualified to pickup the first stone? As for your prayer, I have no comment other than I question your misplaced sincerity.
This guy is such a creep.
Why is that.. 😩
No he's not. He's a fallen man. In need of a Savior. A man that loves Jesus. A man that decided to give his life to preaching the gospel. And a man who made tragic mistakes and missteps. God loves him. And so do I. I love you as well. As does Jesus.
I recall when your pride yelled at everybody like another pharisee. Are you going to tear your clothes like Caiphas? To whom much has been given much will be demanded.
Wow - he's so direct and humble. I think very highly of him. He is not perfect, but none of us are! Pastor Mark - continue on with being a teaching pastor. I have learned so much from you!
Humble? Lol, you're joking right?
smooth words and charm is a common trait of psychopaths. look into the damage he had done in countless lives and the damage to the faith of several people.
who brought up perfection? No one expects perfection. Just human decency
🤮
Yay they got rid of the narcissist.
NO - he resigned because he felt God called him to leave.
@@debbieforhim7800 It really seemed like there was a concerted effort to take him out. Other pastors are so jealous. Mark fed people the word, he smacked the men around w/ the sword of the word and they responded. He didn't tickle people's ears or use a prosperity message. Somehow that was wrong though? I never saw that he lived large either, but supposedly he was taking money, from his own church(es) he worked so hard for?
Proverbs 24:17
Indeed!!!
Look in the mirror and you will see one..
Bogus 😂
why did you get so bougie bro
Buh Bye!