Crew curve synchronization comparison is nice to see (from about 10min in the video). It looks like the RP3 Portal Advanced function to compare crew curves. BioRow says this should be quite similar: RP3 and on water. Do you have this experience as well? Did you use Peach Crew Curve and RP3 Crew Curve analysis together?
I'm guessing the crew has a pause at the finish. I think this contributes (as well as timing etc.) to the fuzziness of the acceleration curve at the finish as the natural movement is to flow around the back turn with the hands, and the rowers are forcing the stop at the finish. If you watch rowers who are not expert at this, you will see the handle moving naturally forward fractionally then get pulled back fractionally (I'm talking less than a cm) for the pause, then move off again for the hands away. I'm guessing that if they don't force the pause at the finish and let their hands flow more, this fussiness will be less. Not sure if this will improve boat speed? Thoughts?
Definitely no pausing at the finish from this crew, you can see that from the handle trace in another section of the video. More likely to be weight management at the release through to hands away
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I may just be being dumb, but when you discuss boat acceleration at around 15mins isn't the peak acceleration on the recovery? So when you point out the catch you're actually pointing at the finish. Unless the graph is inverted for ease of comprehension as it can be a bit counter intuitive initially
Surely to achieve peak speed on the recovery acceleration must be positive during the recovery and vice versa. So the right hand side of the graph which is above the zero line must be recovery
@@jacko791 have a look at this: www.peachinnovations.com/WebTraceView.htm. These graphs show gate force vs normalised time at the top and acceleration (red line) and speed (blue line) at the bottom of the groups of three graphs. Looking at the force curve at the top gives you a better idea to the corresponding part of the stroke for boat acceleration. The acceleration is above the zero line from about halfway through the initial leg drive and remains in positive acceleration above zero for most of the recovery. Good crews can stay above zero for a lot of the stroke cycle.
Thanks. Yeah I was just being thick. Looking at it as acceleration rather than speed does make it a lot more difficult to comprehend but I guess is just more useful as an analysis tool
training with power is tough to do for regular club athletes. Is there an argument for consistent effort (measured via heart rate) as a decent substitute?
@@Simon-rm9kw if you know your heart rate stays consistent for a certain power output, then yes you could assume the same would be the case on the water. Perhaps with a little allowance for turning corners, technical efficiency etc
When setting power targets, do you consider weight of athletes? Someone heavier can produce more power but also needs to because they cause more wetted surface.
Crew curve synchronization comparison is nice to see (from about 10min in the video). It looks like the RP3 Portal Advanced function to compare crew curves. BioRow says this should be quite similar: RP3 and on water. Do you have this experience as well? Did you use Peach Crew Curve and RP3 Crew Curve analysis together?
I'm guessing the crew has a pause at the finish. I think this contributes (as well as timing etc.) to the fuzziness of the acceleration curve at the finish as the natural movement is to flow around the back turn with the hands, and the rowers are forcing the stop at the finish. If you watch rowers who are not expert at this, you will see the handle moving naturally forward fractionally then get pulled back fractionally (I'm talking less than a cm) for the pause, then move off again for the hands away. I'm guessing that if they don't force the pause at the finish and let their hands flow more, this fussiness will be less. Not sure if this will improve boat speed? Thoughts?
Definitely no pausing at the finish from this crew, you can see that from the handle trace in another section of the video. More likely to be weight management at the release through to hands away
Man, my feed is full of rowing content and training content for the last 3-4 months. Just yesterday this video from your channel popped into my feed. I’ve never seen your channel before but it’s full of valuable content. Great job, subscribing now. 🚣🇨🇦🤙🏻
Thank you for the feedback! Great to hear you're finding it valuable
I may just be being dumb, but when you discuss boat acceleration at around 15mins isn't the peak acceleration on the recovery? So when you point out the catch you're actually pointing at the finish.
Unless the graph is inverted for ease of comprehension as it can be a bit counter intuitive initially
The finish is at around 25% Normalised Time on the top right graph. The boat reaches peak speed on the recovery, not peak acceleration.
Surely to achieve peak speed on the recovery acceleration must be positive during the recovery and vice versa. So the right hand side of the graph which is above the zero line must be recovery
@@jacko791 have a look at this: www.peachinnovations.com/WebTraceView.htm. These graphs show gate force vs normalised time at the top and acceleration (red line) and speed (blue line) at the bottom of the groups of three graphs. Looking at the force curve at the top gives you a better idea to the corresponding part of the stroke for boat acceleration.
The acceleration is above the zero line from about halfway through the initial leg drive and remains in positive acceleration above zero for most of the recovery. Good crews can stay above zero for a lot of the stroke cycle.
Thanks. Yeah I was just being thick.
Looking at it as acceleration rather than speed does make it a lot more difficult to comprehend but I guess is just more useful as an analysis tool
@@jacko791 No problem, took me ages to get my head around it!
training with power is tough to do for regular club athletes. Is there an argument for consistent effort (measured via heart rate) as a decent substitute?
@@Simon-rm9kw if you know your heart rate stays consistent for a certain power output, then yes you could assume the same would be the case on the water. Perhaps with a little allowance for turning corners, technical efficiency etc
*power output on the erg or bike
When setting power targets, do you consider weight of athletes? Someone heavier can produce more power but also needs to because they cause more wetted surface.
@@christianlindig9016 nope, personally I'd base that off a % of their UT2 or 2k watts on the erg
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