Tea's Pac-man got edge-guarded more in this set than his entire career. You could tell he initially didn't know what to do because it never happens to him.
I could tell he knew exactly what to do, but a guy like BassMage brought a level of skill to Puff in Smash Ultimate that none other has. He is the Hbox of Ultimate, and that says a lot, Hbox plays Ultimate regularly and can't best him! If anyone can edge guard a genius like Tea, it's a genius like BassMage. On God.
At 15:28, Tea is smart af He did an air dodge away into a neutral tech knowing bassmage would go for a roll read this wasn’t a miss input by mage but a god play by Tea LIKE WHO DIRECTIONAL AIRDODGES INTO A NEUTRAL TECH 🤯
This is why I've said Kazuya was made for Tea. Tea has been doing stuff like this with Pac-Man since Smash 4, and honestly, I'm surprised he didn't pick up an FGC sooner, but I'm glad the one he picked up was Kazuya. Dude literally uses a stun mechanic as his main kill confirm. *Ring any bells?*
Pac-Man merely adopted the recovery. Jigglypuff was born in it. Molded by it. By the time the Puff was edge guarded, it had already evolved into a Wigglytuff.
Damn, that looked very impressive from BassMage, cause, and I might be wrong, but I feel like Jigglypuff has an awful matchup against pacman. Plus, usually, Tea's opponents don't dare to edgeguard him, but BassMage did and never really got punished for it, at worst he would fail to kill pacman, not get significant damage.
What else are you gonna do as puff? Get zoned out? It's a pretty crushing match-up for puff the options aren't great, and probably felt that his secondaries aren't good enough
9:34 Thats another reason why Ultimate is a much more intricate game than melee ya just dont get these kinds of offstage interactions. The offstage game is an entirely different game within a game that Melee cant offer Reversals arent common at all in Melee since the game doesnt give you the tools to do so. Im Ultimate not only do you have to worry about reversaling the reversal but getting reversed after your reversal. In Ultimate BOTH players have ample offensive and defensive tools for every situation but in Melee, if your recovery is trash, youre a trash character. Period. Melee helps the edgeguarder tremendously but Ultimate gives every character a chance to survive due to the game engine Just look at Aegis. Bottom 5 recovery but still top tier. In Melee Aegis would be mid tier at best but probably still unplayable
Bruh Pac has top tier recovery but how can one fix their lips to say his recovery is #1 when Sonic and Sora exist [EDIT] Cant believe I left out Meta Knight and Pit. Especially Meta Knight who the hell is Edgeguarding meta knight???
@Joshua Suh Whats up with Smashers needing to have a DEFINITIVE thing... Jeez There is no true "best" recovery theres alot of busted ones but all of them can be had Even Pac. Ya hit the little ball before Pac eats it for his side B and hes done for. Ya only get 3 jumps on his trampoline so what i like to do is jump on it right after his 2nd bounce and he falls to his doom His recovery is top tier but it aint head and shoulders above the other amazing recoveries. Samus is another who could be in that convo
I don't think Pac-Man's recovery is necessarily the best. It's definitely top tier. Pac-Man is just an amazing, versatile character compared to characters like Sonic and Sora. It also helps that the best Pac-Man player is a mad genius who always thinks of some unbelievable shit. Pac-Man is capable of so much, that giving him such a great recovery is overkill. Back in Smash 4, Pac's recovery was just as amazing, but it didn't matter because he had to work with poor aerial frame data for the damage, and a lot of characters like Luigi and Bayonetta dominated the game with one-hit kill combos you couldn't take your chances with. Ultimate took Pac-Man's aerials from mediocre to exceptional. No one man should have all that power, but if any man does have it, it's Pac-Man.
@Joshua Suh I know.... Thats why i said what i said. Like... You clearly havent watched high lvel sonic play if you think Pac has an OUTRIGHT better recovery than sonic or especially Sora. But sonic has spin dash/charge, homing attack, and can act after of his up B. Cant really say which is *better* but both are equally top tier recoveries.
@@Aflay1 You sound reasonable but Sonic is literally top 5 most versatile characters in the game. Probably most versatile as he and Steve have no bad matchups. Unlike Pac Man, Sonic can get over his "bad" matchups by merely changing playstyle (much to the chagrin of Ultimate players lol). Pac Struggles with reflectors on certain characters hence why Tea uses Kazuya. Ive never seen Sonic main use a secondary. Like never... That speaks volumes to his versatility Like... All of the top Sonics play drastically different. Wrath, Sonido, Ken, (upset at myself for drawing a blank on many of the other fantastic sonic players) have wildly different playstyle
Tea's really good but... no, Jiggly puff has a REALLY hard time against pac man. A jigglypuff having a record like bass' literally can't mean they're of two different caliburs.
Matchup advantage means little at this level of gameplay. BassMage and Tea are at similar levels. The problem is, Tea seems to have stupendous match-up knowledge, to the point that he has matchup data for his matchup data. He knows too fucking much. He always does something new, something amazing. BassMage is identically talented. The problem is, compared to Tea, he's just not experienced enough. I could tell in some interractions, while BassMage could plan around Tea, Tea always had a plan for that plan. It's absurd how far ahead Tea thinks in a short time, it's no wonder he starts pulling off reversals off the likes of Mr.R as early as last stock Game 1. And yes, if you ask me, Jigglypuff is just Pac-Man without projectiles. This would be an outright stomp if Pac-Man's tools weren't exploitable. Still, I didn't expect him to YOINK the trampoline in Game 1. That was sick. We can definitely learn from this set just how capable Jigglypuff can be against Pac-Man despite it's shortcomings, thanks to BassMage's ingenuity.
@@Aflay1 I'm not gonna discredit teas genius but I'm gonna say you're wrong about match up advantage. There's a reason counterpicks exist and that's simply because some characters do really well vs others. In this meta where solo maining is more impractical than otherwise, you're not going to tell me that doesn't matter- that a bad mu exists and can always be made up for at top level.
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Tea's Pac-man got edge-guarded more in this set than his entire career. You could tell he initially didn't know what to do because it never happens to him.
That's legit what happened when i first played a good Puff lol.
I could tell he knew exactly what to do, but a guy like BassMage brought a level of skill to Puff in Smash Ultimate that none other has. He is the Hbox of Ultimate, and that says a lot, Hbox plays Ultimate regularly and can't best him!
If anyone can edge guard a genius like Tea, it's a genius like BassMage. On God.
Spherical object battle royale
Sounds like a Terminal Montage video
When two fat but fatphobic people meet
ITS SPHERICAL
9:37 The moment I became BassMage's fan
At 15:28, Tea is smart af
He did an air dodge away into a neutral tech knowing bassmage would go for a roll read this wasn’t a miss input by mage but a god play by Tea
LIKE WHO DIRECTIONAL AIRDODGES INTO A NEUTRAL TECH 🤯
Tea is a god, you can tell it's not accidental because he would have rolled away.
@@scallopy7546 exactly
And roll away has way more lag than neutral tech
@@rasaunwashington9623 Oh I didn't know this! Makes sense tho. More commitment.
The directional airdodge into a neutral tech is next level stuff. But it does look like Bass mis-spaced the rest
combo starting around 10:05 … i feel like kazuya is starting to influence the pacman! i’ve never seen jab one two to extend on a platform so sick.
He's done stuff with the jab before tho
This is why I've said Kazuya was made for Tea.
Tea has been doing stuff like this with Pac-Man since Smash 4, and honestly, I'm surprised he didn't pick up an FGC sooner, but I'm glad the one he picked up was Kazuya. Dude literally uses a stun mechanic as his main kill confirm. *Ring any bells?*
@@Aflay1bell
3:06 ここで横bのパワーエサ狩られてから、
7:19 13:16みたいに外側を回すようにしてるのさすが
Bass mages games always makes me jump from my seat. Awsome players
04:51 lol surprise no one mentions what tea was doing behind the hydrant
I love Tea, He’s so entertaining to watch!
Bassmage is also so cool! I love both these players
Think skyjay, riddles, tea and leon are my favorites to watch.
@@dnegel9546 my favourite players Yonni, Tea and Marss
my favorite are bonk and nitox
Kome, Ken, Tea, T, Light, Elegant, Big D, Abadango, Marss (zss), Glutonny, Void... (in no particular order)
@@eddio9466 you did all of them? 😳🤭
He called the bell a melon and the melon a bell when he was trying to correct it at the end XD
Tea has impressed me since the beginning of his career, so I was expecting a good fight, but the way he played this set blew me away.
These are both very entertaining players to watch and they playing against each other??? Love to see it
7:35すばらしい撃墜
Loved this set, interesting matchup and very cool players
4:53 TEAパックマンが愛される理由
4:52 Tea really doesn't give a shit. lmfao Jigglypuff always has a strategy until they get a Hydrant to the face
Bassmage went insano mode this tourny but unfortunately for him Tea is quite the insane man himself, great showing nonetheless
Such an amazing Jigglypuff player ✨👏🥹 Bassmage is amazing
potential best recovery in the game, but gets it used against him twice
I loved this set!
Pac-Man merely adopted the recovery. Jigglypuff was born in it. Molded by it. By the time the Puff was edge guarded, it had already evolved into a Wigglytuff.
最後の最後にねむるを狙ってるの勇者すぎる
Yeah, he almost had the roll read, too. But Tea just teched in place instead.
Is audio a bit de synced for the commentators?
Damn, that looked very impressive from BassMage, cause, and I might be wrong, but I feel like Jigglypuff has an awful matchup against pacman. Plus, usually, Tea's opponents don't dare to edgeguard him, but BassMage did and never really got punished for it, at worst he would fail to kill pacman, not get significant damage.
プリンでここまでやれるの凄すぎる
My two favorite players to watch
This was a great set
This dude really tried to cheese Pac-Man and not just any Pac-Man but the worlds best Pac-Man…
and pretty much landed most of the cheese
@@ZalvadorZali yeah I don’t think we watched the same set
It's not cheese, it's just the character. And a thing called edgeguarding
What else are you gonna do as puff? Get zoned out? It's a pretty crushing match-up for puff the options aren't great, and probably felt that his secondaries aren't good enough
Puff is pure cheese
Jigglypuff really gets out frame dataed doesn't she.
And out neutraled. Puff suffers in this matchup.
Pac-Man's basically Jigglypuff but stronger.
@@Aflay1 not at all?
@@Aflay1 no
9:34 Thats another reason why Ultimate is a much more intricate game than melee ya just dont get these kinds of offstage interactions. The offstage game is an entirely different game within a game that Melee cant offer
Reversals arent common at all in Melee since the game doesnt give you the tools to do so. Im Ultimate not only do you have to worry about reversaling the reversal but getting reversed after your reversal.
In Ultimate BOTH players have ample offensive and defensive tools for every situation but in Melee, if your recovery is trash, youre a trash character. Period. Melee helps the edgeguarder tremendously but Ultimate gives every character a chance to survive due to the game engine
Just look at Aegis. Bottom 5 recovery but still top tier. In Melee Aegis would be mid tier at best but probably still unplayable
I don't see any offstage play at the part you clipped
@@Balthazar2242 - OP timestamped the end of the play rather than the beginning. 9:37 * is where it begins.
@@Balthazar2242 I goofed lol
@@jdrmanmusiqking Ya goof. lmao
Good analysis though. I agree.
あれ？選手の映像ないんやね
How is Jiggly puff making top 8 👀
BassMage, that's how. Dude's crazy good.
This set was nice. I love watching tea!
Rest not killing at 57% 🤦♂️
Pacman was low when the rest started haha
Bassmage is showing us that Tier lists do not matter
By losing
@@algebo7675 are you serious? It's Tea
@@ZalvadorZali nope i'm not serious
Puff ain't that bad like
@@willycheez7218 the current tier list isn't final
I wish this was just the original French commentary. nothing against the English commentators, it's just weird to hear the lagged reaction.
Bassmage has come so far!
Bruh Pac has top tier recovery but how can one fix their lips to say his recovery is #1 when Sonic and Sora exist
[EDIT]
Cant believe I left out Meta Knight and Pit. Especially Meta Knight who the hell is Edgeguarding meta knight???
@Joshua Suh ...
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Did... You really just say that? Cant believe someone even strung those words together
@Joshua Suh Whats up with Smashers needing to have a DEFINITIVE thing... Jeez There is no true "best" recovery theres alot of busted ones but all of them can be had
Even Pac. Ya hit the little ball before Pac eats it for his side B and hes done for. Ya only get 3 jumps on his trampoline so what i like to do is jump on it right after his 2nd bounce and he falls to his doom
His recovery is top tier but it aint head and shoulders above the other amazing recoveries. Samus is another who could be in that convo
I don't think Pac-Man's recovery is necessarily the best. It's definitely top tier.
Pac-Man is just an amazing, versatile character compared to characters like Sonic and Sora. It also helps that the best Pac-Man player is a mad genius who always thinks of some unbelievable shit.
Pac-Man is capable of so much, that giving him such a great recovery is overkill. Back in Smash 4, Pac's recovery was just as amazing, but it didn't matter because he had to work with poor aerial frame data for the damage, and a lot of characters like Luigi and Bayonetta dominated the game with one-hit kill combos you couldn't take your chances with. Ultimate took Pac-Man's aerials from mediocre to exceptional.
No one man should have all that power, but if any man does have it, it's Pac-Man.
@Joshua Suh I know.... Thats why i said what i said.
Like... You clearly havent watched high lvel sonic play if you think Pac has an OUTRIGHT better recovery than sonic or especially Sora. But sonic has spin dash/charge, homing attack, and can act after of his up B.
Cant really say which is *better* but both are equally top tier recoveries.
@@Aflay1 You sound reasonable but Sonic is literally top 5 most versatile characters in the game. Probably most versatile as he and Steve have no bad matchups. Unlike Pac Man, Sonic can get over his "bad" matchups by merely changing playstyle (much to the chagrin of Ultimate players lol). Pac Struggles with reflectors on certain characters hence why Tea uses Kazuya. Ive never seen Sonic main use a secondary. Like never... That speaks volumes to his versatility
Like... All of the top Sonics play drastically different. Wrath, Sonido, Ken, (upset at myself for drawing a blank on many of the other fantastic sonic players) have wildly different playstyle
Tea is just too good. Just two different levels of skill between him and bassmage.
Tea's really good but... no, Jiggly puff has a REALLY hard time against pac man. A jigglypuff having a record like bass' literally can't mean they're of two different caliburs.
Different, yes. Though not by much, bass is catching up.
I don't think so. it looks like a bad match because Pac can hide behind hydrant and under a platform 80% of the match
Matchup advantage means little at this level of gameplay.
BassMage and Tea are at similar levels. The problem is, Tea seems to have stupendous match-up knowledge, to the point that he has matchup data for his matchup data. He knows too fucking much. He always does something new, something amazing.
BassMage is identically talented. The problem is, compared to Tea, he's just not experienced enough. I could tell in some interractions, while BassMage could plan around Tea, Tea always had a plan for that plan. It's absurd how far ahead Tea thinks in a short time, it's no wonder he starts pulling off reversals off the likes of Mr.R as early as last stock Game 1.
And yes, if you ask me, Jigglypuff is just Pac-Man without projectiles. This would be an outright stomp if Pac-Man's tools weren't exploitable. Still, I didn't expect him to YOINK the trampoline in Game 1. That was sick. We can definitely learn from this set just how capable Jigglypuff can be against Pac-Man despite it's shortcomings, thanks to BassMage's ingenuity.
@@Aflay1 I'm not gonna discredit teas genius but I'm gonna say you're wrong about match up advantage. There's a reason counterpicks exist and that's simply because some characters do really well vs others. In this meta where solo maining is more impractical than otherwise, you're not going to tell me that doesn't matter- that a bad mu exists and can always be made up for at top level.
Yo that ain't the melon
Tea's pacman is a treat to watch as always
PAC man go brrrrrrr
プリンの復帰阻止は怖い 笑
que asco de personaje averiaran de sacarlo del smash y meter a goku
Pac-Man just plays pve 90% and throws nair and dair when someone gets close. Anyone that says this is hype is a 200k Wi-Fi player.
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