Another great episode. I used to collect all different type of sports cards. Baseball, Football, Hockey and Basketball. I stopped collecting Basketball a long time ago. Then stopped with hockey and recently slowed down my collecting of Football cards. I am now close to 100% into collecting Baseball cards. I have been to a lot of Baseball games that have been big ones. I have been to the 1983 & 1989 Baseball World Series, many playoff games and two All Star games. So I guess you that see why I collect Baseball cards the most. I love the sport.
Love all the videos, but sometimes I feel like the conversation always goes back to Bowman/rookie autos, super rare cards, etc. Unfortunately a lot of folks can't afford golds or reds or the rare stuff. Maybe you all could talk about things that are attainable for guys like me...your favorite low-end parallel cards, favorite inserts, stuff like that. I love listening about the high-end stuff but I know I'll never get there so I have to find other hobby goals. Currently trying for rookie refractors in psa/sgc 10, Heritage variations, things like that. Thanks again for all the great content.
Chris here - stadium club drops this week! Usually one of the more affordable products and it has the best images. You’re right though, we do tend to gravitate towards discussing the highest value cards. I like rookie refractors. Very collectible. Any of the true colors really. But the regular refractor is always in demand.
I agree with T-Pott, baseball has that established group and as an older (mid 40's) collector, I gel better with that group. The debate about WS increasing values, I think is really determined in the city you play in. KC won it a few years ago, no one on that team is collectible, you win it in Pinstripes and you are a legend. Mantle Vs. Musial - Musial has better stats (128.5 War to 110.2) same # of MVP's, but Mantle's a legend in this community for where he played.
Hey y’all! Absolutely phenomenal video! Quick follow up to the Bowman 1st question- it might be a better discussion topic for a future video but we know the black RC has strength but apart from that what are the next 5+ parallels in flagship or chrome that y’all feel have potential for some staying power? I’m sure as mentioned chrome gold refractor is one but curious what y’all think about after those. This might have been briefly touched on in an earlier vid so apologies if so!
Hey man, thanks for watching! Yes, topps chrome gold would definitely make that list. Red as well, but it’s impossible to find those! True Blue Refractors have been around in Topps Chrome for a long time so I like those as well. Topps paper golds are the longest running - since 1992 - so this will always have value, even if the higher print runs keep the prices lower. The topps Independence Day parallels depend on the year. 2018-19 look so good!!
Great podcast. So much good information. I do believe we are entering a shady era and people should wait for the singles to hit the market instead of trying to pull the wax. Thanks for the content.
Baseball cards are the best to collect (I’m heavily biased of course). The development programs are more robust and the readily- available advanced statistics help reduce risk of “bust” prospects. I think injuries are less severe than football and basketball. Underrated- Marvel Comic Cards- non-performance based value, just aesthetics and parallels.
Cleveland guy here. An item of note is that before the ALCS, the Yankees sent some guys out to a LCS to buy 5k worth of wax for two players. Not sure the players. Not sure the product.
a good comparison. being a crypto investor myself, all sports cards are memecoins to me. literally just going by whatever someone does, they print non stop. bitcoin is done at 21mil.... thats it.. cards are always printed, reprinted, re reprinted. idk.... i dont see the connection between the 2. now they have crypto sports cards. so cards are def not comparable to BITCOIN!
Bo Jackson played about 5 solid seasons... heavily pc'd. Mattingly had 10 solid seasons. I can see Trout being a hobby darling a decade from now. Shohei and Judge have completely overshadowed everyone else. If Trout goes to Philly with Harper, I can see a hype increase.
Love Phil shouting out hockey collecting. A lot of similarities to baseball card collecting plus you can get some incredible cards for a fraction of the cost of other sports.
Trout is a "hold" because he could get off to a great start in 2025 and his cards go back up. But...he isn't going to be a 600 HR guy, maybe a 500 guy.
Love listening to these discussions. It still amazes me that people drop thousands of dollars on cards. I can buy plane tickets to several countries around the world with that money.
I got into cards to have a fun hobby with my sons. They have NO INTEREST since fanatics takeover and they don’t even want to open packs anymore. Kids want no part in old men selling amongst themselves.
Bringing up the search totals to say baseball cards are the most popular ignores the fact that “baseball cards” for a lot of people is a catch all term for trading cards. I’ve had people ask me to look at their collection of “baseball cards” and it’s almost all football. My family knows I collect mostly basketball and non sports and still tell all their friends at the vfw that “my son collects baseball cards”
The enjoyment I got from putting Topps 2024 baseball and chrome together, getting all the different colors, inserts, autos was more fun than my previous 10 years of football and hockey collecting. Only football Prism and Opticcomes close to the variety that Topps gave us this year and it’s not that close
Trout fan here. Two concerns: 1. Health - no surprise there I’m sure. 2. Plays golf during the season. Rear arm already comes in at wrong angle to hit a fastball above his belt, golf accentuates this movement. Would prefer he stops playing golf. Great job as always guys!
He’s already a hall of famer (probably first ballot) and is already paid up through his career. I don’t think he has any motivation to prioritize baseball .
Chris here - I'm right there with you. I don't want my baseball players (besides pitchers) doing anything that involves swinging at a ball in a different way!
Baseball has always been about the numbers and statistics. They are some of the things that drives us about some Players. Being vintage, modern & ultra modern collector I’m devisable but the little I’m in other sports I’m just three looking and not all in. Trout will fall a little more but will have another big jump back up in the near future. I’m buying
If money was no object, I would buy all of the heritage red ink autos psa 10. 2 reasons. 1. It's on card auto, and the number is handwritten by the athlete. 2. Red ink to me is badass for an autograph. I never pulled one, but one can hope. When you think how much a hobby box costs in relation to the value. 80 to 90 for a hobby box is insanely priced. Shoot, some blasters are getting close to that these days
Chris here - i love heritage red inks too. They definitely stand out from the sea of chrome rookie autos. (I doubt the player handles the numbering though. I can't see them paying enough attention to take on that duty. Must be someone at topps.) But I love that they're on card, and RED. The ink color really makes them special.
Although it was only mentioned in passing I agree that a lack of postseason success doesn't necessarily hurt a player. HOWEVER, it sure can help! Mariano Rivera and David Ortiz are two examples (the former being a clear case, the latter more arguable). I never knew how many saves Rivera had during the regular season. However, as a devoted Braves fan and Yankee hater, I was always aware that...oh, no...end of 6 and you're down by a run. You have basically 1, to maybe 1 2/3 innings to get that run back because Mr. Rivera is coming in and you will not be scoring on him (career 56 innings in the ALDS, .32 ERA, ALCS 48.2 innings, .92 ERA, and in 36.1 WS innings he only allowed 5 runs, 4 of them earned, and 40% of the total runs, 25% of the earned runs came in 1 inning in 2001 against the D-backs...leaving a sky high .99 WS ERA). Ortiz walks off the Red Sox in extras in game 4 of the 2004 ALCS...then he has the walk off hit in extras in game 5 the next night...Classic, leading to the only 0-3 comeback in postseason history to date...then, add to that, 3 outstanding WS performances and a WS MVP (never a BA below .300). Rivera is 100% first ballot because of his postseason performances. Ortiz is first ballot, arguably because (if the name wasn't already taken) he is Mr. October (a .455 BA over 3 WS, with his lowest OPS being .945, his best being 1.948). Jack Morris's classic 10 inning outing (shutout) in game 7 against the Braves (damn you Lonnie Smith!) is a standout postseason performance that arguably tips the HOF scales in his favor. I have to say that, even though they didn't win it all Juan Soto is a player who could benefit from being a good postseason performer...a .500 obp in the WS, and one of the most animated high leverage at-bats I have seen in the postseason (the head shaking) in extra innings to hit the...ultimately game winning... HR in the ALCS. Maybe a lack of postseason success doesn't hurt, but I think postseason success helps...and indeed can help significantly (Rivera and Hoffman both great closers...but a huge difference between them in how I value them as a collector because of the postseason success of Rivera). I have one Hoffman card (b/c I am a HOF collector), but 4 Rivera cards.
Chris here - I agree, it hurts more than it helps. Ortiz’s legacy was built in October 2004, and solidified 9 years later when he just went off in that World Series. Hoffman - you’re right. Meh. But as Braves fan as wel, I do fantasize about what the 90’s would’ve been like if rivera was in Atlanta.
@@SpitballinCards Oh....I have fantasized about that too (note: Mark Wohlers is on my 'enemies' list :) j/k). I hate the Yankees so, so much. Yet Rivera seems like a genuinely nice guy in interviews and I'm familiar with his background as the son of a fisherman in Panama....if he had only been a Brave....my, God! Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine in the rotation and Rivera as the closer...give us 2, maybe 3 runs a game and we're good!
Statement - pujols would be more collectable if Barry Bonds didnt take sterioids (2002 and 2003) pujlos came in 2nd in MVP voting to Barry. If Barry didnt cheat - Pujols would have 5 MVP's.
Agree! Pujols would also be more collectible/have higher prices if the WAR narrative was the same back then as it is now. He lead the league in WAR for 6 straight years, but was only given 3 MVP’s in that time frame.
Can you guys explain what the concept of Wor in determining a mlb players value compared to say batting avg or on base %. I just started heavily into baseball 2023
WAR = Wins Above Replacement. You can probably search MLB or Wiki for the longer/more thorough definition, but essentially it measures more than just hitting for offense, but also fielding and baserunning. The number corresponds to the amount of additional wins a team has by having this player in the lineup vs the league average player for that year. Again, there should be plenty of links that explain it in more detail.
Welcome to Baseball!! WAR stands for Wins Above Replacement. Nobody knows how to compute it, so don't worry about that. The idea is a stat that can be used to compare players in different eras. It's very widely accepted now. Basically, it tries to paint a more complete picture of a player's value. Batting Average for example doesn't take walks into account. So it doesn't tell the whole story. WAR tries to take everything - hitting, baserunning, defense and funnel it all into one number.
De La Cruz sold for sold for $115k? If that's for your PC I can understand, but are you hoping to 3X your money and get 350K? A 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle goes for about 350K and a 86 Fleer Jordan PSA 10 is 180K. De La Cruz has a ton of talent, but he also has some big flaws in his game. His speed is also one of his biggest strengths, and he was 21-7 in stolen base attempts in the 64 games in the second half of the season. There's a lot of wear and tear and also risk of injury stealing that many bases. If you look at guys that stole a lot of bases, their numbers go down considerably before the age of 30. I'm not saying De La Cruz is a bad player, I just think people are overpaying for some of his cards
@timmccray7507 yeah he made improvements and he's still young. If he can work on his flaws he's going to be a monster. He does have a good chance to get 40-40, I just don't think people should be paying prices for him as if he's a 40-40 guy right now. How much do you think that 1/1 Superfractor will go for in a few years?
I think there will come a day when we will look back at current Trout card values and wish we had loaded up on them. It may be 15 years from now when he enters the HOF with 500 HR’’s…and there are only 3 or 4 other players sniffing that number.
He needs 122 more to get 500. He's averaged 19 over the last 4 years. It might be real struggle for him. But I sincerely hope he shocks us with health and blows past it in the next 3-4 seasons.
Trout isn't aging well either. He looks 40 in his face. You can see the injuries, scrutiny and unmet expectations are really taking a toll on his mental health.
It would have to. He spent a decade of his prime baseball years playing on a team that never sniffed the playoffs. And after that, his body started breaking down. A WS trophy just seems to be getting further and further away from him.
We need another Ohtani video. You guys see the 42K random dodger superfractor sell on goldin last night? Crazy. Goat pricing is exponential. Look at baseball collector investor recent video.
I’ve heard metaphors and descriptions regarding the limited space of the human brain. The penguin/iceberg description takes the cake. I lost almost all my penguins wrapping my mind around it.
I wish I could say that hardware doesn't matter, and Trout prices are at the bottom, but a big part of the problem is his rookies were so inflated at the height of the market. There's still so much room to come down IMO, especially when baseball heads start looking around the room at say...Pujols, Betts, and now Ohtani 🤷
Awesome talk here fellas as always! An I'm definitely with @philminton on the Hockey take, Very small Niche Market, aswell as 99.8 % of all transactions are going to a "TRUE" collector For sure. Most bigger cards aka grail cards are likely landing in the hands of the "End Game" collector and getting tucked away in forever collections! BTW This is coming from a "everything collector" like my man @Teapot 💪🏻🔥💯 Also @ScottieB you may be right about the baseball card Google trends an analytics etc.. but you gotta remember a lot of people outside of the sports card space / market probably call every sport "Baseball Cards" when they're searching if u think about it? Ex being "How much are my baseball cards worth" or "What baseball cards are worth the most" putting all sports cards under the "Baseball Card" heading when not in the space feel me?
Thanks for that perspective. I remember all the 1989 Pro Set rookies were draft picks still in their college uniforms. Man, I LOVED that Barry Sanders card.
Here’s a consensus statement id be interested to hear you guys respond to: “Ultra modern (2011+) base rookies in PSA 10 are not investible - Only RC numbered parallels, autos, and variations are”
gosh, i love your content. look forward to it when i see it pop up on my texts... id love to be involved and give my opinion with alot of it. hope one day to meet each one of you. :) keep up the great work.
The conversation around 11:00 is this has been taken out of the hands of the kids. Adults ruined this for the younger collectors, how is any of this affordable for a 10 year old boy. Hell a single pack is 5 bucks………
Its not a boys collection game anymore. Unless you have significant disposal income, the industry is just gambling if you like to rip. If not i thnk you can put together a nice PC depending your fav players. but we are 10-15 years past the hobby being for kids/young adult.
Hockey, is fantastic to collect and sell. Hockey collectors are passionate and smart as well. Much like baseball collectors they know the players and pay attention to the sport.
I sold all my trout . We traded a trout auto ip ball for a PSA slab Mickey Mantle auto. We made a good amount off trout . I'm not buying back in any time soon. 🧐
Trouts card will stay the same if he stays healthy next year big if there. But if he got injured in spring training and was out for the year his cards would go down some but not as much as any other player would go down. Unless they also are a lock for the HOF.
Trout is now at the bottom and just becoming an avg good ballplayer no more the super star but he is being slowed by injuries. he is a smart and good hitter but no more the scary threat
Trout prices will most likely fall because collectors will want to spend their money on the new hot players like Skenes and De La Cruz. In a few of years. their prices will go down, and collectors will move on to the next group of hot players
@SpitballinCards I think if he comes back as a very good DH, there will be an increase but, not huge because everyone is in love with WAR numbers and he's not going to be stealing many bases. If he signs with a big market team and wins a championship, he has the potential to increase quite a bit. I'd rather own some nice Trout card than some red bowman chrome auto psa 10 of some random pirates prospect
I absolutely think that John Stockton, Ken Griffey Jr, Barry Bonds, Karl Malone, Barkley, Bryce Harpers cards would all see a moderate jump in value if they had or end up winning rings.
@@808trades Isiah Thomas was on a team of great players that all had big contributions to their rings-the bad boy pistons. We’re talking Joe Dumars, Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman, Aguirre. The identity of the success of those Pistons championships were that of the collective-and not of Isiah being the clear alpha. I would bet that had they not won any rings-that the values of their cards would be lower than they are now. When great players win rings-their values can go up marginally. When you have elite players that don’t win rings-it hurts them in the “GOAT” conversation and it consequently limits their ceilings. The ceilings of cards of Giannis, Jokic, and Shohei are much higher since they’ve shown they are elite and they are winning rings. There are also other factors-such as popularity, cultural relevance, marketability..etc.
@@jeffv3296 its the set too that 86 fleer set was loaded. Stocktons rookie year wasnt very good value wise. Barkley i think would have increased since he is still relevant
@@808trades I agree with you. I think Barkleys cards have decent value because he was a great player (the alpha on most of the teams he played on), he’s culturally relevant as a broadcaster/entertainer-but I do think that his card prices would be even higher if he won a ring. I do think that Stocktons cards would be higher with a ring-but I also think that Stockton has limited his cards values through his reclusiveness. You don’t see him much, he doesn’t say much, he wasn’t a very marketable player outside of Utah. I think he’s great and am not hating-but the lack of ring and the lack of mass popularity/marketablity have hurt the ceiling of his cards.
The industry after 2018 is just hype of hypers.... people jumping in to the hobby that are just financial investors and not true hobby collectors... they drove the value up and now it is slowing down... Breakers may have done well but it only helped the card shops and the manufacturers of cards money. now they can raise the price and give product with less cool hits... oh and now the price of the box is now out the reach of the casual hobby collector. to me... breakers .. ( folks just jumpingin for the money gain) have pushed casual and kid collectors out.
But you guys are focusing mostly on 1/1 and those type cards. They will always be big dollar card. Let’s talk about something more obtainable like /199 and less. Are all of these just dead?
I could see Trout rookie cards PSA 9 sell for less than $100 by this time next year, just because of the projected economics for America. Hope I am wrong though!
@funkytango doesn't matter who wins the economy will get worse unfortunately. It's key core issues that won't easily be fixed in my humble opinion. Hopefully Mike Trout has a MVP season in 2025
@jamesesslinger1976 I think that's up for debate but it's going to take another major hit if we stay on the trajectory we are on with the current admin,. I agree there is not an immediate fix regardless of the winner but it can certainly get worse after the 5th. At a much faster rate. Slow trickle down or immediate cliff drop. It's going to matter especially for random stuff like cards and collectibles
@funkytango I believe it will get worse regardless of who win Tuesday in my humble opinion. I'm excited for the 2025 baseball season and hope Soto goes to the Cubs! Lol
@@jamesesslinger1976 soto to the cubbies would be interesting and exciting. I'm a braves fan so I just hope we can field a team of big leaguers this year LOL
i dont understand this legacy everyone give trout. he was great for maybe 7 years... thats not a legacy.... never won a championship but i could say the same about ted williams, but williams had a 21 year legacy. trout is so over rated. ive called it the past 3 years.. he had a great 7 years, still dont think of him as a hall of famer tho....others have done better and never made it.
The first 9 full seasons of his career, these are his MVP finishes:2-2-1-2-1-4-2-1-5 That's absurd. He was best player in the game for a decade before his body started betraying. One player can't win a championship. It's not basketball. HIs teams stunk. But he was incredible. Last 4 yaers have been rough as he can't stay on the field.
Trout sucks. I don't side PC him. Thank God Ohtani is with my WS Champion Dodgers. Therefore the Trout/Ohtani/Pujols triple Angels Team tandem didn't work to win a championship let alone make the playoffs
trout was always over hyped. always. time to buy is soon... wait til what we seee next year... he isnt as great as everyone says. y does everyone like him so much, he doesnt play.. but yet still on everyones mind... doesnt make sense..
We are in the 2nd junk war era. Every player HOF or not will be takign a huge hit. Only players immune will be your jordan/tiger/ some lebron maybe curry. But i think footbal players are going to tank at some point. And the unlicensed stuff will be fire starter for the grill
Another great episode. I used to collect all different type of sports cards. Baseball, Football, Hockey and Basketball. I stopped collecting Basketball a long time ago. Then stopped with hockey and recently slowed down my collecting of Football cards. I am now close to 100% into collecting Baseball cards. I have been to a lot of Baseball games that have been big ones. I have been to the 1983 & 1989 Baseball World Series, many playoff games and two All Star games. So I guess you that see why I collect Baseball cards the most. I love the sport.
I was into football for a while, but I learned that football is not a great sport to collect as an investment.
Not even a baseball card collector but love yalls vids and insights
Thanks for watching and commenting!
The longevity of a baseball player makes it the most fun to collect.
Great point!
Nobody has ever told me my brain was an iceberg full of penguins. Interesting take Scottie
Chris here - it's a metaphor id never heard before. But a good visual!
I was laughing so hard not at him but the picture in my mind it painted. Such a good watch.
@@SpitballinCards excellent visual. I can imagine all my high school math penguins hopping off that iceberg after every baseball game I watch
@@ryanra44 hahahaha
Love all the videos, but sometimes I feel like the conversation always goes back to Bowman/rookie autos, super rare cards, etc. Unfortunately a lot of folks can't afford golds or reds or the rare stuff. Maybe you all could talk about things that are attainable for guys like me...your favorite low-end parallel cards, favorite inserts, stuff like that. I love listening about the high-end stuff but I know I'll never get there so I have to find other hobby goals. Currently trying for rookie refractors in psa/sgc 10, Heritage variations, things like that. Thanks again for all the great content.
Chris here - stadium club drops this week! Usually one of the more affordable products and it has the best images.
You’re right though, we do tend to gravitate towards discussing the highest value cards.
I like rookie refractors. Very collectible. Any of the true colors really. But the regular refractor is always in demand.
I agree with T-Pott, baseball has that established group and as an older (mid 40's) collector, I gel better with that group. The debate about WS increasing values, I think is really determined in the city you play in. KC won it a few years ago, no one on that team is collectible, you win it in Pinstripes and you are a legend. Mantle Vs. Musial - Musial has better stats (128.5 War to 110.2) same # of MVP's, but Mantle's a legend in this community for where he played.
18 home runs in the World Series is just an insane Mantle stat.
You’re right about Musial - he should be more collected!!
Hey y’all! Absolutely phenomenal video! Quick follow up to the Bowman 1st question- it might be a better discussion topic for a future video but we know the black RC has strength but apart from that what are the next 5+ parallels in flagship or chrome that y’all feel have potential for some staying power? I’m sure as mentioned chrome gold refractor is one but curious what y’all think about after those. This might have been briefly touched on in an earlier vid so apologies if so!
Hey man, thanks for watching!
Yes, topps chrome gold would definitely make that list. Red as well, but it’s impossible to find those!
True Blue Refractors have been around in Topps Chrome for a long time so I like those as well.
Topps paper golds are the longest running - since 1992 - so this will always have value, even if the higher print runs keep the prices lower.
The topps Independence Day parallels depend on the year. 2018-19 look so good!!
Great podcast. So much good information. I do believe we are entering a shady era and people should wait for the singles to hit the market instead of trying to pull the wax. Thanks for the content.
Can't argue with this!
Appreciate it!
Baseball cards are the best to collect (I’m heavily biased of course).
The development programs are more robust and the readily- available advanced statistics help reduce risk of “bust” prospects. I think injuries are less severe than football and basketball.
Underrated- Marvel Comic Cards- non-performance based value, just aesthetics and parallels.
Tell that to my Acuna collection!
Cleveland guy here. An item of note is that before the ALCS, the Yankees sent some guys out to a LCS to buy 5k worth of wax for two players. Not sure the players. Not sure the product.
Interesting….
Baseball cards are the Bitcoin of collecting. Other sports cards are like memecoins and those collectors move up to baseball eventually.
a good comparison. being a crypto investor myself, all sports cards are memecoins to me. literally just going by whatever someone does, they print non stop. bitcoin is done at 21mil.... thats it.. cards are always printed, reprinted, re reprinted. idk.... i dont see the connection between the 2. now they have crypto sports cards. so cards are def not comparable to BITCOIN!
Bo Jackson played about 5 solid seasons... heavily pc'd. Mattingly had 10 solid seasons. I can see Trout being a hobby darling a decade from now. Shohei and Judge have completely overshadowed everyone else. If Trout goes to Philly with Harper, I can see a hype increase.
Jeff here: Love this take!
Love Phil shouting out hockey collecting. A lot of similarities to baseball card collecting plus you can get some incredible cards for a fraction of the cost of other sports.
Trout is a "hold" because he could get off to a great start in 2025 and his cards go back up. But...he isn't going to be a 600 HR guy, maybe a 500 guy.
Chris here - do you think a great start really boosts his cards up from current prices? What kind of starts and stars are baked into his prices now?
Fantastic episode! I wonder how much Google Trends is impacted by people using “baseball cards” as a generic term to just mean “sports cards”
Love listening to these discussions.
It still amazes me that people drop thousands of dollars on cards.
I can buy plane tickets to several countries around the world with that money.
true!
Better off investing in other players like Kevin Bass or Tim Salmon. They're less fishy than a Trout
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I got into cards to have a fun hobby with my sons. They have NO INTEREST since fanatics takeover and they don’t even want to open packs anymore.
Kids want no part in old men selling amongst themselves.
It saddens me think that kids are leaving the hobby. But it;s undeniable
@@SpitballinCardsthat’s what happens when kids are priced out the market of packs and good cards
Great show guys, appreciate all of your takes snd contributions to the hobby ❤.
Baseball is the only great equalizer sport because every player gets 4 at bats. All other sports are predicated on other factors
You really need contributions from everybody. Not just a couple stars.
Dr. Phil's stock is slipping to the lower corner.... ouch....:) I miss Linda Evans & Joan Collins from Dynasty.
Bringing up the search totals to say baseball cards are the most popular ignores the fact that “baseball cards” for a lot of people is a catch all term for trading cards. I’ve had people ask me to look at their collection of “baseball cards” and it’s almost all football. My family knows I collect mostly basketball and non sports and still tell all their friends at the vfw that “my son collects baseball cards”
This is a good point, thanks!
The enjoyment I got from putting Topps 2024 baseball and chrome together, getting all the different colors, inserts, autos was more fun than my previous 10 years of football and hockey collecting. Only football Prism and Opticcomes close to the variety that Topps gave us this year and it’s not that close
Which rainbows did you build??
Phil repping hockey! I love it! easily the most hardcore faithful collector base
I can see hockey collectors being very failthful like that.
Trout fan here. Two concerns: 1. Health - no surprise there I’m sure. 2. Plays golf during the season. Rear arm already comes in at wrong angle to hit a fastball above his belt, golf accentuates this movement. Would prefer he stops playing golf. Great job as always guys!
He’s already a hall of famer (probably first ballot) and is already paid up through his career. I don’t think he has any motivation to prioritize baseball .
Chris here - I'm right there with you. I don't want my baseball players (besides pitchers) doing anything that involves swinging at a ball in a different way!
Baseball has always been about the numbers and statistics. They are some of the things that drives us about some Players.
Being vintage, modern & ultra modern collector I’m devisable but the little I’m in other sports I’m just three looking and not all in. Trout will fall a little more but will have another big jump back up in the near future. I’m buying
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on trout! Chris here - I'm keeping my eyes open for some rare ones.
If money was no object, I would buy all of the heritage red ink autos psa 10. 2 reasons. 1. It's on card auto, and the number is handwritten by the athlete. 2. Red ink to me is badass for an autograph. I never pulled one, but one can hope. When you think how much a hobby box costs in relation to the value. 80 to 90 for a hobby box is insanely priced. Shoot, some blasters are getting close to that these days
To think the number is also handwritten by the athlete is absolutely ridiculous and far reaching to say the least.
@bryangawcki4266 The first number is handwritten. The 2nd is factory printed. Is that the only thing you pulled out of my comment?
@@bryangawcki4266 I wouldn't think the players would write the number, some playerd can hardly sign their own name
Chris here - i love heritage red inks too. They definitely stand out from the sea of chrome rookie autos. (I doubt the player handles the numbering though. I can't see them paying enough attention to take on that duty. Must be someone at topps.)
But I love that they're on card, and RED. The ink color really makes them special.
The number is not done by the athlete
appreci8 u cats always sharing your knowledge and takes. lots of respect 4 that.
Thanks for watching!
Although it was only mentioned in passing I agree that a lack of postseason success doesn't necessarily hurt a player. HOWEVER, it sure can help! Mariano Rivera and David Ortiz are two examples (the former being a clear case, the latter more arguable). I never knew how many saves Rivera had during the regular season. However, as a devoted Braves fan and Yankee hater, I was always aware that...oh, no...end of 6 and you're down by a run. You have basically 1, to maybe 1 2/3 innings to get that run back because Mr. Rivera is coming in and you will not be scoring on him (career 56 innings in the ALDS, .32 ERA, ALCS 48.2 innings, .92 ERA, and in 36.1 WS innings he only allowed 5 runs, 4 of them earned, and 40% of the total runs, 25% of the earned runs came in 1 inning in 2001 against the D-backs...leaving a sky high .99 WS ERA).
Ortiz walks off the Red Sox in extras in game 4 of the 2004 ALCS...then he has the walk off hit in extras in game 5 the next night...Classic, leading to the only 0-3 comeback in postseason history to date...then, add to that, 3 outstanding WS performances and a WS MVP (never a BA below .300).
Rivera is 100% first ballot because of his postseason performances. Ortiz is first ballot, arguably because (if the name wasn't already taken) he is Mr. October (a .455 BA over 3 WS, with his lowest OPS being .945, his best being 1.948). Jack Morris's classic 10 inning outing (shutout) in game 7 against the Braves (damn you Lonnie Smith!) is a standout postseason performance that arguably tips the HOF scales in his favor.
I have to say that, even though they didn't win it all Juan Soto is a player who could benefit from being a good postseason performer...a .500 obp in the WS, and one of the most animated high leverage at-bats I have seen in the postseason (the head shaking) in extra innings to hit the...ultimately game winning... HR in the ALCS. Maybe a lack of postseason success doesn't hurt, but I think postseason success helps...and indeed can help significantly (Rivera and Hoffman both great closers...but a huge difference between them in how I value them as a collector because of the postseason success of Rivera). I have one Hoffman card (b/c I am a HOF collector), but 4 Rivera cards.
Chris here - I agree, it hurts more than it helps. Ortiz’s legacy was built in October 2004, and solidified 9 years later when he just went off in that World Series.
Hoffman - you’re right. Meh.
But as Braves fan as wel, I do fantasize about what the 90’s would’ve been like if rivera was in Atlanta.
@@SpitballinCards Oh....I have fantasized about that too (note: Mark Wohlers is on my 'enemies' list :) j/k). I hate the Yankees so, so much. Yet Rivera seems like a genuinely nice guy in interviews and I'm familiar with his background as the son of a fisherman in Panama....if he had only been a Brave....my, God! Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine in the rotation and Rivera as the closer...give us 2, maybe 3 runs a game and we're good!
Statement - pujols would be more collectable if Barry Bonds didnt take sterioids (2002 and 2003) pujlos came in 2nd in MVP voting to Barry. If Barry didnt cheat - Pujols would have 5 MVP's.
Great point! THanks for the suggestion!
Agree! Pujols would also be more collectible/have higher prices if the WAR narrative was the same back then as it is now. He lead the league in WAR for 6 straight years, but was only given 3 MVP’s in that time frame.
Can you guys explain what the concept of Wor in determining a mlb players value compared to say batting avg or on base %. I just started heavily into baseball 2023
WAR = Wins Above Replacement. You can probably search MLB or Wiki for the longer/more thorough definition, but essentially it measures more than just hitting for offense, but also fielding and baserunning. The number corresponds to the amount of additional wins a team has by having this player in the lineup vs the league average player for that year. Again, there should be plenty of links that explain it in more detail.
Welcome to Baseball!! WAR stands for Wins Above Replacement. Nobody knows how to compute it, so don't worry about that. The idea is a stat that can be used to compare players in different eras. It's very widely accepted now. Basically, it tries to paint a more complete picture of a player's value. Batting Average for example doesn't take walks into account. So it doesn't tell the whole story. WAR tries to take everything - hitting, baserunning, defense and funnel it all into one number.
I personally wouldnt be surprised if Mike Trouts update rookie cards become a $200 card in a PSA 10
Jeff here: oh man, I think I’d have to buy one back at that price!
De La Cruz sold for sold for $115k? If that's for your PC I can understand, but are you hoping to 3X your money and get 350K? A 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle goes for about 350K and a 86 Fleer Jordan PSA 10 is 180K. De La Cruz has a ton of talent, but he also has some big flaws in his game. His speed is also one of his biggest strengths, and he was 21-7 in stolen base attempts in the 64 games in the second half of the season. There's a lot of wear and tear and also risk of injury stealing that many bases. If you look at guys that stole a lot of bases, their numbers go down considerably before the age of 30. I'm not saying De La Cruz is a bad player, I just think people are overpaying for some of his cards
Lead MLB in strikeouts and errors. If those two areas don’t get fixed drastically, I don’t see how he can be an all time great.
@@thekeithy4999Yeah, if he's able to fix the holes in his game he's going to be a monster. Thus year his bWAR was 5.2 and Zach Neto had a 5.1
He is very exciting and that's something the hobby loves. Look at Acuna's values!
He is 22 , look at the improvements after 1 year . He will lost likely be 30-30 this coming year and 40-40 soon after.
@timmccray7507 yeah he made improvements and he's still young. If he can work on his flaws he's going to be a monster. He does have a good chance to get 40-40, I just don't think people should be paying prices for him as if he's a 40-40 guy right now. How much do you think that 1/1 Superfractor will go for in a few years?
Ty''s giant head band aid looks good on him.
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I think there will come a day when we will look back at current Trout card values and wish we had loaded up on them. It may be 15 years from now when he enters the HOF with 500 HR’’s…and there are only 3 or 4 other players sniffing that number.
He needs 122 more to get 500. He's averaged 19 over the last 4 years. It might be real struggle for him. But I sincerely hope he shocks us with health and blows past it in the next 3-4 seasons.
The floor on Trout’s random year autos have definitely come down in price. Used to have a hard floor around $300. Can definitely find them cheaper now
Yep - agreed! I think people are finally realizing jus thow many autos he has. More noticeable too as the demand sinks.
Trout isn't aging well either. He looks 40 in his face. You can see the injuries, scrutiny and unmet expectations are really taking a toll on his mental health.
It would have to. He spent a decade of his prime baseball years playing on a team that never sniffed the playoffs. And after that, his body started breaking down. A WS trophy just seems to be getting further and further away from him.
@SpitballinCards That strikeout to Ohtani for the final out in the WBC really was the changing of the guard.
We need another Ohtani video. You guys see the 42K random dodger superfractor sell on goldin last night? Crazy. Goat pricing is exponential. Look at baseball collector investor recent video.
Chris here - I’ll check that out!
@@SpitballinCards another Ohtani just sold for 500 plus k.
@@SpitballinCards bowman chrome orange 500k sale 11/3
I’ve heard metaphors and descriptions regarding the limited space of the human brain. The penguin/iceberg description takes the cake. I lost almost all my penguins wrapping my mind around it.
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I wish I could say that hardware doesn't matter, and Trout prices are at the bottom, but a big part of the problem is his rookies were so inflated at the height of the market. There's still so much room to come down IMO, especially when baseball heads start looking around the room at say...Pujols, Betts, and now Ohtani 🤷
Chris - i have to agree with you!
Need timestamps! Great podcast.
thanks!
Awesome talk here fellas as always! An I'm definitely with @philminton on the Hockey take, Very small Niche Market, aswell as 99.8 % of all transactions are going to a "TRUE" collector For sure. Most bigger cards aka grail cards are likely landing in the hands of the "End Game" collector and getting tucked away in forever collections! BTW This is coming from a "everything collector" like my man @Teapot 💪🏻🔥💯
Also @ScottieB you may be right about the baseball card Google trends an analytics etc.. but you gotta remember a lot of people outside of the sports card space / market probably call every sport "Baseball Cards" when they're searching if u think about it? Ex being "How much are my baseball cards worth" or "What baseball cards are worth the most" putting all sports cards under the "Baseball Card" heading when not in the space feel me?
You're probably right about the baseball card thing.
Football my main sport I don’t consider any college uniform as a players rookie , it’s the first card in a pro uniform
Thanks for that perspective. I remember all the 1989 Pro Set rookies were draft picks still in their college uniforms. Man, I LOVED that Barry Sanders card.
Here’s a consensus statement id be interested to hear you guys respond to: “Ultra modern (2011+) base rookies in PSA 10 are not investible - Only RC numbered parallels, autos, and variations are”
gosh, i love your content. look forward to it when i see it pop up on my texts... id love to be involved and give my opinion with alot of it. hope one day to meet each one of you. :) keep up the great work.
Hey man, thanks for watching! HOpefully we'll all make it to the National next year!
These style episodes should have chapters.
I am groot
Yes. Yes you are.
0:46 Scott forgot to say “No Diddy” after that comment lol
That's what I was gonna say LOL
The conversation around 11:00 is this has been taken out of the hands of the kids. Adults ruined this for the younger collectors, how is any of this affordable for a 10 year old boy. Hell a single pack is 5 bucks………
Its not a boys collection game anymore. Unless you have significant disposal income, the industry is just gambling if you like to rip.
If not i thnk you can put together a nice PC depending your fav players. but we are 10-15 years past the hobby being for kids/young adult.
You're right! Hell, it's barely affordable for us!! I can't buy $350 topps update hobby jumbos. Insane!
If bonds doesn't hit the roids insanely hard post 36 how does that impact his hobby? Lower by 5-25% without those freaked out roid stats, right?
Great question!
But Chris, players are collectible with 500+ Hrs, WAR over 80, 3 MVPs, etc. He could still play 40-50 games a year as a starter.
There are not enough end users or true collectors for a lot of these sports card in the modern area
Totally agree!! Too many cards these days. Only a few will matter down the road.
@ to many cards and to many flippers who do not collect
Hockey, is fantastic to collect and sell. Hockey collectors are passionate and smart as well. Much like baseball collectors they know the players and pay attention to the sport.
Agreed. Alot of the football/ soccer i see being a splash in the pan if you will
Agree. Super strong market
I love hearing that! I need to get moving on my Messier PC.
I will take Trout on Yankees -Would be a good fit!!!
I could see it! Maybe if the Angels take on Stanton's contract....
I sold all my trout . We traded a trout auto ip ball for a PSA slab Mickey Mantle auto. We made a good amount off trout . I'm not buying back in any time soon. 🧐
Trouts card will stay the same if he stays healthy next year big if there. But if he got injured in spring training and was out for the year his cards would go down some but not as much as any other player would go down. Unless they also are a lock for the HOF.
Statement for the team: Jackson Chourio will be the best and most collectable rookie from this past baseball season.
Pretty sure Jeff will agree very heavily with this one. Thanks for the suggestion!
you aint got to make a face, we all knew scottie was a bottom 😂😅
hahahaha
So is $450 too much for a Topps update jumbo?
ABSURD!!!! Chris here - i balked at $340 for an update Jumbo. I mean, whats my likely return? $30?
Just think if the A's could be demoted to triple A
RIGHT
Trout is now at the bottom and just becoming an avg good ballplayer
no more the super star but he is being slowed by injuries. he is a smart and good hitter but no more the scary threat
Trout prices will most likely fall because collectors will want to spend their money on the new hot players like Skenes and De La Cruz. In a few of years. their prices will go down, and collectors will move on to the next group of hot players
More Trout for me to buy on discount
But we do come back once a player gets established and proves himself. But then what??
@SpitballinCards I think if he comes back as a very good DH, there will be an increase but, not huge because everyone is in love with WAR numbers and he's not going to be stealing many bases. If he signs with a big market team and wins a championship, he has the potential to increase quite a bit. I'd rather own some nice Trout card than some red bowman chrome auto psa 10 of some random pirates prospect
0:33 Now thats funny right there……
About time! Way to hyped up....
@27:00 Chris knows all about the guys that want Mini Woods.
Haha yes I do!
Want to say congrats to Scottie B on his Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman investments. He's living high off that hog 😂😂
Chris here - Hey now! The Freemans are MINE!!!
@SpitballinCards Hahaha.... sorry. Congrats to you, Chris
I absolutely think that John Stockton, Ken Griffey Jr, Barry Bonds, Karl Malone, Barkley, Bryce Harpers cards would all see a moderate jump in value if they had or end up winning rings.
Isaiah thomas cards arent worth that much and he won 2. Around the same time as malone and stockton
@@808trades Isiah Thomas was on a team of great players that all had big contributions to their rings-the bad boy pistons. We’re talking Joe Dumars, Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman, Aguirre. The identity of the success of those Pistons championships were that of the collective-and not of Isiah being the clear alpha. I would bet that had they not won any rings-that the values of their cards would be lower than they are now. When great players win rings-their values can go up marginally. When you have elite players that don’t win rings-it hurts them in the “GOAT” conversation and it consequently limits their ceilings. The ceilings of cards of Giannis, Jokic, and Shohei are much higher since they’ve shown they are elite and they are winning rings. There are also other factors-such as popularity, cultural relevance, marketability..etc.
@@jeffv3296 its the set too that 86 fleer set was loaded. Stocktons rookie year wasnt very good value wise. Barkley i think would have increased since he is still relevant
@@808trades I agree with you. I think Barkleys cards have decent value because he was a great player (the alpha on most of the teams he played on), he’s culturally relevant as a broadcaster/entertainer-but I do think that his card prices would be even higher if he won a ring. I do think that Stocktons cards would be higher with a ring-but I also think that Stockton has limited his cards values through his reclusiveness. You don’t see him much, he doesn’t say much, he wasn’t a very marketable player outside of Utah. I think he’s great and am not hating-but the lack of ring and the lack of mass popularity/marketablity have hurt the ceiling of his cards.
I'll say it again. Major league Topps RC > Minor League Bowman 1st. The RC is for the collectors, the 1st is for the gamblers.
The industry after 2018 is just hype of hypers.... people jumping in to the hobby that are just financial investors and not true hobby collectors... they drove the value up and now it is slowing down... Breakers may have done well but it only helped the card shops and the manufacturers of cards money. now they can raise the price and give product with less cool hits... oh and now the price of the box is now out the reach of the casual hobby collector. to me... breakers .. ( folks just jumpingin for the money gain) have pushed casual and kid collectors out.
But you guys are focusing mostly on 1/1 and those type cards. They will always be big dollar card. Let’s talk about something more obtainable like /199 and less. Are all of these just dead?
Malone would go the way of wander Franco eventually #gross #predator
Yikes, this is a good point. How'd he get away with that?!
@SpitballinCards a lack of social media to hold him, the NBA, and the justice system accountable 🤷
hey scott, i got john stockton rookie card graded for sale... if interested.
Hey Chris. Congrats on finally being a top. Jk. hahaha.
I DID IT!!
current stats of Trout ... right now... are not Hall of Fame numbers... he is on the outside looking in unless he finds a Fountain of Youth drug
I think that trouts cards dropped in value
I wonder how many billy butler penguins occupy Scott’s iceberg.
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Mike trout blew his career staying on a losing team
a lot of collectors out there share this opinion
0:46 HUH
Not even close to the bottom. Trout hasn't been a relevant player in many years. When he retires his cards will crash incredibly hard
Chris here - I think the crash would be before he retires.
When he walks away, some retrospective looks at his career could give him a boost.
Rookie HFA's will hold value. PSA 10 Yamamoto HFA's are selling for 150 bucks currently.
Not the mass produced HFAs from the last few years
I could see Trout rookie cards PSA 9 sell for less than $100 by this time next year, just because of the projected economics for America. Hope I am wrong though!
Nov 5th will decide alot of this for the next 5-10 years in the hobby
@funkytango doesn't matter who wins the economy will get worse unfortunately. It's key core issues that won't easily be fixed in my humble opinion. Hopefully Mike Trout has a MVP season in 2025
@jamesesslinger1976 I think that's up for debate but it's going to take another major hit if we stay on the trajectory we are on with the current admin,. I agree there is not an immediate fix regardless of the winner but it can certainly get worse after the 5th. At a much faster rate. Slow trickle down or immediate cliff drop. It's going to matter especially for random stuff like cards and collectibles
@funkytango I believe it will get worse regardless of who win Tuesday in my humble opinion. I'm excited for the 2025 baseball season and hope Soto goes to the Cubs! Lol
@@jamesesslinger1976 soto to the cubbies would be interesting and exciting. I'm a braves fan so I just hope we can field a team of big leaguers this year LOL
"slowly dieing "😂😂😂 more people in Asia watch the world series then here in America 😂😂. It's bigger than it's ever been
Those numbers are incredible!
Not even close to rock bottom imo
i dont understand this legacy everyone give trout. he was great for maybe 7 years... thats not a legacy.... never won a championship but i could say the same about ted williams, but williams had a 21 year legacy. trout is so over rated. ive called it the past 3 years.. he had a great 7 years, still dont think of him as a hall of famer tho....others have done better and never made it.
The first 9 full seasons of his career, these are his MVP finishes:2-2-1-2-1-4-2-1-5
That's absurd. He was best player in the game for a decade before his body started betraying. One player can't win a championship. It's not basketball. HIs teams stunk. But he was incredible. Last 4 yaers have been rough as he can't stay on the field.
Not even close. No card should be over a grand. Ever
Trout is overpriced and final coming down
Trout sucks. I don't side PC him. Thank God Ohtani is with my WS Champion Dodgers. Therefore the Trout/Ohtani/Pujols triple Angels Team tandem didn't work to win a championship let alone make the playoffs
trout was always over hyped. always. time to buy is soon... wait til what we seee next year... he isnt as great as everyone says. y does everyone like him so much, he doesnt play.. but yet still on everyones mind... doesnt make sense..
His 9 year run to start his career was pretty unprecedented. 9 consecutive top 5 MVP finishes. And 7 of those were TOP 2!
I agree, cream of the crop during that stretch
How did I never realize this was tpott, tpott?
We are in the 2nd junk war era. Every player HOF or not will be takign a huge hit. Only players immune will be your jordan/tiger/ some lebron maybe curry. But i think footbal players are going to tank at some point. And the unlicensed stuff will be fire starter for the grill
Chris here - I agree about the unlicensed