The Key to Understanding King David in the Bible (Matthieu Pageau clip)
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Matthieu Pageau reveals the key to understanding King David, the "master of the cycle."
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In my Lakota tradition, a man who was a warrior also was expected to be very generous and charitable. This presents itself as a mystery to some people, but it has to do with this cycle Pageau is describing.
The thing that connects both is sacrifice. Being a warrior is a sacrifice not because you are risking your life, but because exactly what Matthieu says, which is to enter into this cycle of death means that you will in turn die be killed. Its the willingness to enter into this cycle to kill the enemies of your tribe, just like Samson. When a warrior has killed on the war path, he paints his face black as a sign of death, and was not allowed to reenter the camp until he has done the sweat lodge, a symbol of purification and rebirth. Leaving the profane world and reentering the sacred one.
In the Lakota sense, you could say the warrior understands in death what the medicine man understands in life.
I enjoyed reading this. Thanks for writing this out. Fascinating symbolism in practice. Love the parallel with the warrior/medicine man and Samson/David.
Love this story!!
My new book about Judges and Esther will be called: "Clown Wars".
A lot of what i will be talking about can be found (from what i have seen) with exact parallels within Lakota traditions. The clown warrior seems to be a very universal and ancient symbolic tradition.
It's also very relevant to our current times. We need to understand these things very urgently. I'm hoping my book will help accelerate this knowledge. We'll see.
@@matthieupageau9537 A key characteristic about the Heyoka, the clown, is that they publicly shame themselves, which is in line with your insight that “to want to reward yourself is a sign of entering into confusion”. Contrast that with a warriors ceremony of “bragging of ones deeds”.
The common belief of sacrifice is “ to give everything”, but along with that the Lakota perspective of sacrifice is more about “to gain nothing”.
You see this in Moses, when his father in law recognizes his virtue by defending somebody else even though he had nothing to gain from it.
@@matthieupageau9537 Also something in Lakota culture is the contrast between the sun and the moon in the two prominent rituals. (1) the sun dance (2) the vision quest, which in Lakota is “Hanbleceya”, Han- night, Ble - to move toward, Ceya - to cry for.
Everyone should feel super privileged to be blessed with Pageau’s insights. He and his brother are heroes of mine.
Regarding the knowledge of the tree of Good and Evil, refer to chapter 55 in Pagueu's book Language of Creation (pg 211).
This sheds light on so many things! Hamlet, Cain and Abel, the cycle of trying to impeach in the US, and the degradation of the position of our leaders.
I see so many expressions of the reap what you sow pattern. Jesus said, "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." In other sections, judge not, lest you be judged by the same measure or those who give up their life for Jesus' sake get to keep it. In the old testament, there's Samson and his enemy, Absalom's rebellion and death, Abraham and Isaac.
The idea is something like what we sacrifice to the cycle determines what is returned. Be mindful of what you sacrifice and who you sacrifice to for it leads to either life or death.
Great insights. Thanks for sharing.
With regards to Matthieu’s brief comments on the story of David: he mentions that David uses the cycle to his benefit and that in killing one’s enemy, one kills themself.
In my own life, I have often wondered ‘’why do I keep making the same mistakes?’’ I think the answer to this question is that every time I make a certain mistake I try to erase it afterwards or in other words I tell myself never to repeat that same mistake again. This method is useful to some degree, but at the end of the day it doesn’t fully do the job, because at some point I end up making that very same mistake again. This would in Matthieu’s terms be the influence of ‘’time’’. In trying not to erase something, one goes against the nature of ‘’time’’, which is cyclical. Paradoxically when one tries to escape ‘’time’’ one will find themselves an unconscious slave to it. So I think when Matthieu says David learns to use the cycle to his own advantage, I think he means that he is able to accept and integrate ‘’time’’ properly.
But what does it mean, that one shouldn’t kill their enemy? To take another example from my own life: the other day I was having a very heated debate with my good friend. He was doing something very stupid and I tried to correct him. Similar to erasing mistakes in my own life, I was trying to erase the mistakes in his life. If we see the mistakes or sinful actions as ‘’the enemy’’ in ourselves and those close to us, it makes sense why we shouldn’t kill our enemies. In trying to get rid of the mistakes, that is to say in trying to kill ‘’the enemy’’, one is literally killing themselves in that they’re trying to kill something that is deeply within them. The same way one should strive to accept ‘’time’’ one should accept ‘’the enemy’’ within oneself.
These are just immediate thoughts and probably very incoherent. I still don’t fully understand how to properly integrate ‘’the enemy’’ other than accepting and waiting. I hope Matthieu will go into further detail with regards to how one can use the cycle to their advantage.
The reason people can be blind to the symbolism of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil is that it’s the pattern of our own perception. Just like some ancient languages had no name for the color blue (because there was so much in the sky and water), that they saw it as a default or were blind to it. Just like water seems to have no flavor unless something is wrong with it.
Also, Esther is a solar eclipse pattern. It’s the anomaly in the cycle. The bride steps in from of the king and provides shade for the people.
I read a study of a project that helped teach people in Africa to 'see' the color blue. Perhaps, in time, we can see the symbolism of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil in which we are immersed.
Interesting bit about the water. I taste my water all the time 😅 but growing up I drank spring water from an artesian well and never thought about 'tasting' it.
@@DerekJFiedler I feel like less people are seeing blue in the West these days. More focus is on the made up purple (colour of magic), keeping the mind thinking all the time. Which is a combination of good and evil; blue and red; instead of seeing them separate, they combine them, or tricked into combining them - 🤔
@@catsmews Interesting thoughts. Thanks for writing in.
Interesting moon pattern in Esther. I'll take another look at that. Inspiration for Queen of the Night? 🤔
I'm struggling to understand the idea that if you kill the king to become king, you too will be killed with the same criteria. I get that it's "you will be judged with the criteria you judge with" but am struggling to understand why this isn't just a malleable (arbitrary?) psychological norm - as opposed to a deeply intrinsic / inescapable pattern that reality follows. To clarify, I am convinced that it is an intrinsic pattern of reality, and it isn't arbitrary, and will continue to act accordingly, but I just cannot see clearly how/why yet.
I am also struggling to see how this pattern plays out fractally - how it applies to other levels of reality - e.g. how does it apply to a cup, or an animal, or an ideology, etc. Other symbolic patterns I can see clearly how they apply on every level (e.g. if something integrates something too foreign which it's not ready for, it falls) - so I assume this pattern should too.
Any ideas?
It goes far beyond this example. "If you are joined with your enemy in confusion, then whatever you do to your enemy you are doing to yourself."
You can think about what is going on in the world right now to see this pattern more clearly.
Example: They say you must fight terrorism. Then they say "but you can't discriminate" and so you are now also the potential terrorist/enemy. And so all the special laws (that are unconstitutional) that have been created to fight a foreign enemy can now be used against you in the homeland.
Example: The C-VlD measures: to fight diseases. But since you are the potential carrier of the disease (and it is asymptomatic so you can't discriminate) therefore you are now joined with this "enemy" in confusion. So all the laws to contain this disease end up becoming laws (unconstitutional laws) to contain you.
The Antichrist will also be a "master of the cycle" so we need to understand all these patterns ASAP. Eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad almost always leads to the pattern of * self-destruction *. It's very difficult to escape this trap. It takes another "master of the cycle" to recognize the trap, to escape the trap, and then to win without having it all turned against ourselves again (King David - the returning king).
@@matthieupageau9537 Those are very interesting examples. I think I can see why you're so keen to bring these patterns to light. When I first heard you talking about this idea of "joining enemy + killing enemy = killing self" I tried to think fractally and something that came to mind was integrating your worldview with principles you disagree with - e.g. if at university you start to write essays built on principles you don't support "because you have to," then your thinking, including the parts you do support, can start to become dependent on "enemy" principles. Then, if you attack the "enemy" principles, you are attacking the foundation of your own principles.
Something I'm noticing here is that there seems to be different variants of the pattern with slightly different "structures." In the virus/terrorism examples, you treat yourself like an enemy - but in the worldview example, and seemingly in the example of Samson and the Philistines, you depend yourself on your enemy (Samson's livelihood depends on an enemy wife, my worldview depends on an enemy principle). "Killing the king to become king" seems to be yet another slight variant of this pattern, which is: attacking a perceived enemy without knowing it is you. Whilst these examples are made unified by the principle "if you join with your enemy, then attack your enemy, you attack yourself," I am suspecting these variants of the pattern may not necessarily have a 1:1 correspondence with each other in their structures - e.g. there seems to be no "do not discriminate between self/enemy -> see yourself as the enemy" step in the worldview example, but there is in the virus/terrorism ones. I'm still in the process of making sense of this, and wondering if there are other variants of the pattern too, or if perhaps all the "variants" are secretly following the pattern with a 1:1 correspondence in their structures that I just can't see yet.
On another note I'm still stuck with the question of why "killing the king to become king -> killing yourself" isn't just an "arbitrary" psychological norm. I'm sure I'm pulling a nihilist trick when I say this but: "why can't a society just refuse the revolutionary pattern and decide to agree to not kill me if I kill the king?"
I'm also wondering whether "you are judged with the same metric you judge with" is something that applies exclusively to when you are joined with an enemy in confusion (i.e. when attacks to my enemy = attacks to myself) or its just something especially relevant to that case.
I have serious respect for you Matthieu, I was really happy when I saw you'd read/replied to my comment - you & Jonathan have done so much to show me the patterns and meaning in the bible, and I'm very grateful for it
This is why a coup d'etat for regime change does not work. If a coup d'etat does manage to work initially, the culture will glorify violence to its end. Ukraine is currently a prime example of this cycle.
Nice example. The culture is then crowned by the pattern of violence. This logos will inevitably emanate and organize the civilization according to this pattern. The hunger games story shows this dynamic quite well. Katniss realizes that they are overthrowing one revolutionary tyrant to be replaced by another.
Yes. We live in times where institutions seem destabilized and unreliable because those who are part of them have chosen to flagrantly disrespect them as institutions. When they reduce the respect owed to offices of power to the disrespect they feel toward the persons occupying those offices they reduce the whole enterprise to that level of vulnerability. I think that’s a major part of the despair many of us feel about institutions regaining meaningful power no matter who occupies the station. The good and bad are subject to the same quick and dirty means of being easily dispatched, so there’s little to hope for or expect from anyone anywhere. It’s like the salt has lost its savor, democracy style.