Finally Showing Wear? 40,000 Mile Michelin CrossClimate2 Review
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- The time is come! The momentous 40,000 mi review. I purchased these tires less than a year ago, but I have really put some miles on these. And I have driven them to the stove, the rain, the slush, up snowy mountains, and through tropical storms and hurricanes. So I have put through these tires through the gamut, and I have not left me wanting.
From the pros such as traction, performance, safety, control and drivability; to the negative such as fuel efficiency, road noise, price, and many other factors. These tires have been unique and the technology is amazing.
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I just had to come back to thank you again. I finally bought my tires about 6 weeks ago and I love em. I literally can’t get these things to spin, they have so much grip. I drive through a near torrential downpour, those famous North Carolina summer thunderstorms and felt comfortable the whole way. Great recommendation!
Dude that's so cool! One because it helps me feel like I'm giving an honest opinion. But secondly because I'm experiencing the same things.
Like I said earlier, I've been driving on the interstate where it was whiteout conditions and people were pulled over to the side of the road or driving 30 mph with your blinkers on.
I literally can't make them slip. Even on normal conditions when I floor my vehicle or I turn hard to the left and floor it. I can't make them slip
Very similar to you. I don't know if they're even able to slip.
Happy you got a pair and I'm happy that you're enjoying them! Thanks for getting back with me brother
Man. Hats off to you. How are they today?
Glad you like these tires man. I'm likely going to get these very soon but the only question I have is about the noise level. Do you find them noisy at all?
@@mo-ggg1 hey brother! So I don't at all, but I did do a video on them where I hit it with a decebel reader. Check it out if you haven't bought them yet !
I just hit 10k miles . Bought mine 10 months ago!
A bit soft in high temps
beastly in rain
beastly in snow (they killed in 6 inches of snow in Tahoe no slipping ever)
no wear at all at 10k
It's so good to hear that some people agree with me lol. Sometimes I wonder if people worry about me being a sponsored person or paid for this. But I'm really just giving honest opinions. When I hear things like this, it lets me know that my opinions, however poorly communicated, or correct.
These things are ridiculous in the rain and ridiculous in the snow. We must have been driving through lake Tahoe around the same time. But it was slushy when I was there. The real test came when I was driving in North Carolina in the blizzard. I've driven the same vehicle up in Mount Rainier with chains, and tires with chains suck. But I did not slip one time when I was in North Carolina. And I swear, I must been parking on 30° angle sometimes
Finally showing a little bit of where at 40,000 mi, but it should not matter because they are full tread depth. The pattern still looks fantastic. Expecting to get at least 80,000 mi out of these
Karma did you make it up in this year's snow? If so how were the tires? Thinking about putting them on my LR3. I'm up in Tahoe a few times a winter as well. Usually end up in the bigger storms. Hit that huge one 2 or 3 years back. Woke up every morning with several new feet.
Michelin said they have it soft in high temps to improve grip
Man, it hasn't affected the tire life! just got mine measured in the last video, and over half the tire life in 85k miles
These are by far the best all season tires I have ever had. I live in Seattle and we get all 4 crazy weather season. I have these on my fwd 2013 Toyota Corolla, during our winter that usually hits Seattle in December-February & they are a beast in the snow, especially the back roads and freeways.
I live in Seattle too and these tires are a no brainer!
Brothers, I am in Alabama and they are a no brained . They are probably a must have up there with all that snow. I tested them in mount rainier last year and they were better than chains on the Tokyo tires
Tacoma here. I'm getting this install today. Thanks for the review.
@CambodianFisherman, also in Tacoma, also getting them installed today! 🎉🎉🎉
How is the noise?
"Starting to see a little wear after 40K miles" Best quote heard all day! I just bought a set for my Pacifica and am very glad I did after hearing your report and other comments. Thanks!
I am about to do a 75K mile review. Lol. They haven’t disappointed
Thanks for the review! The technician at the tire place was trying to talked me off buying these because they are more expensive and will take a few weeks to get to me but this helps me settle it on waiting on these. Very helpful thanks again!
No problem at all! That's what I'm here for!. Happy you got a little bit of use out of them. Honestly, if you're worried about safety and performance, there's nothing else besides them to consider.
If your main focus was fuel efficiency, there are definitely some fuel efficient tires out there. And maybe if your focus was Price, there's definitely other things out there. But as far as safety and performance and ability to go, there's nothing like them.
And also, there's not any downsides that would have any sort of meaningful impact on my opinion you know. It's not like the fuel or the sound or anything is so bad to where it makes a difference. These are just fantastic tires
Would not be surprised if every tire falls this pattern in the future
We live 5 miles from town on a private road in a very mountainous area of north central WA state.
We get 4-5 feet of snow every winter.
We have the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires on both our Outback and Forester.
They’re AWESOME tires in all road conditions.
We recommend these tires to everyone.
They’re quiet and you don’t take a hit with your mpg.
Hard to really promote a tire if you drive a SAWC Mitsubishi or any AWD Subaru. I live 23 miles from the nearest highway and an additional 8 miles on a gravel road with grades so steep that you are looking at the sky and can't see the road when you get to the top of the hill. Yet everyone here who has a Subaru or Mitsubishi doesn't even know what tires they have on there car. They just get in and go blizzard or no blizzard.
Love the replies guys!!!!!!! I second these!
Jake, thanks for the feedback on these tires. I’m scheduled to buy a set tomorrow. Your reviews have been very helpful. I live in Florida, but what sold me is the performance of these tires in the rain. We get so much rain in the summer season. That is what was most important to me. Appreciate it!
Oh man that's fantastic to hear. When I started doing this, all I can hope is that I could help a couple of people. Never thought I would end up getting a couple thousand people to watch. By the way, where are you buying them from? I've heard the best price is Costco
@@jakeofreshly Mavis tire at $269.99 each.
That isn ‘t bad at all. I paid about 1399 for mine. But I have larger rims, which made it hard to find.
Installed on our 2021 Subaru Outback. We live in the Pacific Northwest mountains where we get rain, ice, snow, dirt roads and dry conditions on some winding roads. They have been very comfortable, average mileage has been 29-32 and I drive conservatively. Have been extremely happy, just have teach and explain to the shop when rotating tires it’s front to back, not crossover. Good video and I expect the same performance
Any suggestions on videos for the future after having them for a while?
I have had these just short of a year now. I live in Colorado and drive an Audi Q5. I love these tires no complaints what so ever. I recommend them and they look great too.
100% agree with you lol especially the part about the looks. Every time I'm in the parking lot, I noticed I have the bad sass tires out there. It's sort of like mud tires on the truck, but for a regular people lol
I just got a set of four. I've always been the 'give me the cheapest you've got' kind of person when it came to tires. How naive I was. I will never go back. They've been through some heavy rain and snow here in the Northeast. The difference is astounding.
I had an opportunity to really let mine shine the past couple days as well because the whole Southeast has been covered in snow. Texas was in the teens, and Alabama was frozen over all the way to the coast. And I'm the only guy driving with any confidence
Thank you! I live in the foothills east of Seattle. Been trying to find some good tires that'll actually hold up to the rain, and be able to handle the snow on all these mountain roads... this is exactly the video I needed!
I know it has been a while, but did you get them? And did they work?
These were recommended to me by my brother after he purchased for his wife's car. I've had my 2015 for 5yrs. In these 5yrs, I've put 25,000 on it. It just rolled over to 50,000. I'm in Michigan, so a good set of all season tires is what I'm looking for. They are very pricey!
Haha I am about to do a 75k mile review shortly. Standby!
I’ve owned Michelins exclusively for 16-18 years. The LTX truck tires are awesome. The defenders have been 80-100K easy. The last pair were a disappointment. I don’t recall the type low traction ice and snow. I picked these up the other day and love them so far. Big snow coming so we’ll see. Thank you
How did they end up working in the big snow?
@@jakeofreshly they are the best wet and snow tire I’ve owned bar none.
Man that is good to hear. I have the same exact opinion, though I might not use them in the snow as the typical buyer
40,000 miles and still having plenty of tread left is amazing for a snow-approved tyre. Glad I just got a set of CC2's for my Skoda Superb 4x4. Have had them on my Saab for years.
Man happy to hear it. I just rolled 80,000 mi, and I'm about to do another video for it
I just put a set of these on our 2018 Subaru Crosstrek on 10/27/23 replacing the original Falken tires with 48,000 miles. I changed them myself, and not one of the four required the addition of any wheel weights to balance the wheel. Normally a tire has a paint dot on it to show the point that is the place most likely an out of balance point. These Michellins had no spot, telling me that the tire is very well balanced during manufacture. Part of that is probably that Subaru balances the wheel prior to putting a tire on. I wanted these tires for my wife as her reflexes are not what they used to be, so it is worth it to me to spend the extra money on the top rated tire. Let's face it, the price difference is only a couple hundred bucks more, and since I change them myself, that makes a big difference. I figured the price of these tires/60K miles, and it was like 1.5 pennies/mile. Totally worth it.
So far we really like them, but the do make a little more noise on concrete highways versus asphalt, but it is totally minimal. And since the car has a tire pressure system, I did notice they got a little bit warmer and the tire pressure went up about 2 PSI, I assume due to them heating up a bit.
We are looking forward to using these tires and rating them further. We are in Central Pa, so we do get some winter weather problems.
I'd be interested to hear your experience after the winter comes through a little bit
I’m planning to put these on our minivan that my wife drives and haul around our children, gotta have great tires that help keep them safe on the road!!
You know that's actually something I've been saying since the first reviews I started doing these on. Almost instantly, I noticed certain aspects of these tires that I have never found on a set of tires before. And if you're putting them on something for somebody you love, and prices not an issue, then to me there's not really any choice but these.
I live in Alabama, sorry to say, and we don't get a whole lot of snow. So I'm really not utilizing the three-peak snow rated capabilities of these tires unless I travel up into northern states or go to state and national parks up in the mountains. But one thing I can't deny is that they are fantastic and bad weather conditions. Specifically in the rain or the torrential rain or on wet streets or wet freeways.
Like I said, I don't even know if they're really is a working traction control system on my vehicle anymore, because they don't slip. My old tires used to slip when conditions were dry and clean if I was going up a hill and turning left or if I punched the gas on a particularly steep hill. That hasn't happened anymore. And it definitely hasn't happened and wet conditions. I know these were designed for snow, but there's nothing like them in the rain
Micheline finally made the size for my 19 years old minivan and I just go them installed two weeks ago. In spring the weather can go from T-shirt day to winter coats day with snow in 24hr and having these tires on my car for over an year now really takes the tire changing timing guessing game out of equation in life and just need to get in the car and drive without worrying if I changed the tires too early every year.
@@Jeo-What thats cool to hear. Ya know like i said earlier, i use rhem more in the bad weather. In alabama, it can go from hot and sunny to pouring rain in minutes. And boy can it rain. Rhey are indespensable in the bad rain. Even standing water in the interstate is no match for my CC2s
@@Jeo-What stuff that you guys to go through is kind of funny. Because I don't live in northern climates, I don't even think about it. My whole entire life, I've only bought one tire and you put them on the vehicle. And you leave them on there for 60 to 100,000 mi. But you guys up there, like you said have to use judgment and have a couple different sets of tires.
Like, what if you put on your summer tire too early and it snows? So that means you have to freaking change the tires back out again? And then change them back out again to get back to summer tires? What a hassle
I've had several sets of various Michelin light truck tires. They've all held up well till the last 10-15k where the ride became rougher due to the lack of tire material to soften the road.
Thus I generally replace the tires with about 10k left in warranty for my personal comfort.
Michelin is a great brand!
Funny enough, most of the tires I have had our on big heavy trucks. But like F3 50s with 80 psi tires. So this is you need for me as well. Everybody I’ve known with us or Michelin’s on an F150 have love them.
After many reviews, forum topics, and you tube videos, I believe the Michelin CrossClimate2 to be in the Top 3 All-Season tires for Performance and Touring. They are a bit behind on Braking distance, but you just can't have everything and that is because the V shape area in the middle of the tire gets very little surface contact. The tire composition wears faster in hot weather and people who have heavy feet as in acceleration and hard on the brakes. I would think it is possible to get 60K miles and they are said to be a top-rated tire. You really can't argue with the several hundred plus positive comments and next to nothing negative comments. I live in the northeast U.S. and already done winter tires to all-season swapping for nearly 30 years, It's gotten to be costly and I believe it is about time to get an all-season tire that can handle snow. I bought new steel wheels and Michelin X-Ice Snow tires so my wife can drive safely during this winter in her 2022 Honda Civic Touring. The X-Ice Snow handles well when the Civic is moving forward, when placed in reverse to park the car is another story as maybe because the Civic is not AWD. The lousy OEM Goodyear Eagle Sport AS on the Civic are a summer tire and not all-season as Goodyear wants you to believe. Most OEM tires that you get on a new vehicle are expensive JUNK tires and should be replaced ASAP. The Michelin Primacy 4 Plus just not great as better off with Primacy MXM4. For a Sport tire the Pilot Sport 4s is rather good.
I’m bout to do 75,000 mile video. And that’s gonna put everything else to bed. The stars are fantastic.
Ty sir. My son still learning how to drive… need to help him out in every way I can. 👍🏼 bad ass
Did you ever get him a pair of them?
I actually got them for my sons car. I haven’t seen any type of wear yet especially with front wheel drive
Man, I just did a video on 85k miles... I did a tire depth tread gauge and showed the wear. U would be shocked
I appreciate you doing these reviews, I’ll be buying a set of 4 tomorrow morning.
That's actually a subject that I can't thank you deeply enough for. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you watching these reviews, and then caring enough to reach out to me and comment.
First order doing this, all I wanted to do was share my opinion. But it's people like you that showed me I was adding a little bit of value to people and that made me keep doing these.
I'm sure I've done more than enough videos on these tires, and I've got to sound like a broken record. But I absolutely love the feedback and the ability to add a little something to people's lives. It makes me feel special, and it makes it all worth it.
Like I said, I'm not sponsored or paid for these tires. As a matter of fact, I haven't even gotten my RUclips channel enough subscribers to be monetized. So this is purely on a friend of friend basis giving you an opinion.
Once again, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you watching my videos and then reaching out to me. People like you are the reason I do this, and I am deeply in debt to you. Thank you so much BK
@@jakeofreshly Thank you brother!
@@thatkingbk You got it man. Let me know if there's something else you want to see, and I'll get to work on it
Funny you mention Finland, many reviewers rate the Nokian hakkapeliitta as the best snow tire around (it’s from Finland). I run them year round on one of my daughters cars, and found that they wear really well in the summer. I’ve been a major fan of the Hakkas for 30 years.
Man, I find it funny that I talk to so many of them on here! Lol. I am from Alabama.
Put a set on my daughters 2018 Impreza AWD. They are THE best peace of mind purchase I could have made for my daughters safety in these 2022/23 California rain storms.
The Cross Climate 2 is a do it all beast of a tire. 👍 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
The cost is nothing weighed against the safety and security you get for yourself and loved ones!!!
How have you liked them over the past few months? Is she enjoying them? Staying safe?
Thanks for this review, Jake. I'm considering getting these but have seen some reviews where some folks say it's a bit noisy while others say it's quiet. How do you find the noise level compared to say, summer tires?
So this is actually interesting. I literally did a video on the noise level. I have a decibel reader in my car, and I measure it at different speeds.
So you can get a hardcore numeric value
I got 94,000 km from my set of energy saver plus Michelins and still have 3mm left. incredible longevity. If I did another summer season they would pass 100,000 km easily.
Yeah that was kind of the point I was going with. Both my father and my mother have Michelin truck tires on their f-150s. And my father has a farm so he's constantly hauling cows and stuff like that.
My uncle and my godfather also have michelins on their f-150s. And my uncle specifically has a hundred thousand miles on his and they look brand new. Now bear in mind, he drives like an old man because he's 80. But I don't think I've ever seen anybody change a set of michelins before 80k
Thanks for the opinion. Snow traction and overall performance on highways was most important to me living in the mountains than gas mileage and cost.
No problem. I'm glad to help. To be honest with you, I've only used them in the snow in about 2 or 3 mountains and one or two blizzards. I've never run them through a full season of snow because of in Alabama. But they're fantastic and bad weather. Absolutely fantastic. You should be tsunami rated, if that was a thing for sure
I got my Michelin Crossclimate 2 tires installed today. They are actually much quieter than the OEM Continental tires on my Blazer.
You know I wonder if it is just me. But I replaced my toyo tires and that was what I experiences. I did a video on the noise specifically it is in the playlist
Ditto. Swapped to CC2s from my tried-and-true Conti TrueContacts, and the interior noise driving my Subi Forester was noticeably diminished.
Still good choice?
@@jakeofreshly
Tires yes. Blazer no.
My God, brother I know exactly what you’re talking about. I had a Chevy trailblazer for about three or four years. If the window weren’t breaking, the windshield wipers were breaking. And if those were working, the rear tail light would go out and then I would have to replace the entire light cluster for three $400.
Thanks Jake for putting me onto these tires. I was able to get them in 235/40/R19 for my 2019 Accord Sport at $890.00 plus a free oil change at Pepboys. How this happened I do not know. I was originally quoted for $1362.00 for just the tires and installation. I do see a 2 MPG loss in fuel efficiency but the comfort of the drive and safety is worth it. Way better than the Good years that came stock in the car. Those were extremely noisy from the first drive off the lot 3 years ago. Will only use Michelins from now on!
Dude I'm in the same boat as you. And honestly, if you can swallow a slightly worse fuel efficiency than it's easily easily easily worth the change. Sincerely, fuel is a big deal when prices are high. But if you have a vehicle like mine that's 25 plus miles per gallon is really not that big of a deal. Couple extra bucks a tank in fuel efficiency losses. But yeah they are freaking sweet. You can't put a price on safety and handling. And these are the best handling and best safety tires I've ever driven
I also have an accord sport but 2018 and have been debating on these tires I don’t know if its just me or do these tires take away from the sporty aspect of the car ? I wanna pull the trigger but I also don’t wanna look like I have some crazy truck tires on either
What did you end up doing?
Just got them on my Mercedes B Class. I live in a region where climate changes quite a lot, so I'm very happy for my choice.
Definately gonna put CC2s on my other two cars a BMW X1 and Toyota Yaris Cross
Have they been so far?
@@jakeofreshly after about 20000 miles (32000 kms) they still got superb grip in any condition. Much better than my previous Bridgestone Weathercontrol All Seasons
That's actually really good to hear. I actually just did a $85,000 mile review and then I busted out a tire gauge so we could get exact measurements. We're sitting at 6.5 mm tread depth, and they come at 10 mm.
A tire depth gauge is like $3. I'm sure other people have mentioned that.
Mine are down to 8/32nds after 11,700 miles. This is with rotations at 5,000 miles and checking for proper inflation every month. At this rate they will hit 4/32nds replacement depth at ~30,000 miles. This is in snow belt area so we have seasons and generally worse roads than down south.
Yeah you're definitely right. Other people have definitely mentioned that before. I just kind of got into this as a hobby and never thought it would get this big. Turns out I'm the tire guy now, when really I'm just an engineer and a salesman who likes to flip houses and bought a really nice set of tires because I wanted to try them out. I will definitely get one for the next video
You know I just got done commenting on somebody who had something similar. He was on $15,000 mi and was knowing some wear. Makes me wonder what the deal is. Makes me wonder if they're slipping in the snow and then that tears them up a lot more, or the roads are really bad up in snowy conditions.
For me, they have been fantastic. But I just really don't understand how they can be so fantastic for me and durable and for other people they wear out in 30,000 mi
But what kind of car are you running them on. Depends on the weight and also on how hard you corner. Some people hot rod hit the breaks hard etc. Those tires on a light weight car will not wear the same as a full sized land rover or similar vehicle. so need more info.
I have them on a AWD Ford Flex and I'm having to replace them at just about 30k miles. If it wasn't winter, I could probably stretch it a bit further. Kind of disappointed at the life vs cost of them. Unfortunately I rotated them myself without an documentation so I'm pretty sure I'm out of luck on treadwear warranty.
Curious, where in the USA are you? I'm in Minneapolis, MN and while we didn't get 3' like Duluth, MN did 1-2 weeks ago (snow effect), or I don't live in the country where the snow whips across the highway, there's still a lot of compacted snow, now it's all melting so complete slush, etc. I'd be pretty disappointed if I'd only get 30k out of these tires for costing over $200/tire (way more than I've ever spent before) in a part of the country that actually sees 4 distinct seasons and do drive on roads like you said that aren't southern Cali and are pretty beat up from the winters.
I've wanted to get these tires for like a year or more since I started seeing ads, but now my buddy (who used to work for a Goodyear dealer) is wanting me to get some Goodyear Assurance Comfortride tires for my 08 Avalon Touring. I'm sure overall they're great tires, but I'm sooooo sick and tired of spinning my wheels in the snow, like it's only the second winter with this car (used to be my Aunt and Uncle's one owner car, has some Hankook tires that are just either terrible or have no treat left) but ugh it's so frustrating. I want something I'm going to have traction in snow/winter. Granted if I was buying new tires in the summer I wouldn't be thinking about this but we're in winter and really would like some Three Peak rated all season/weather tires.
It's good to hear you have actually taken these into the snow a few tires besides just driving on dry pavement or wet or mud, and the honest review is great about the mpg and also the noise you've noticed (I likewise rarely drive over 75, heck I'm rarely at 75 even). Anyways, thanks for the review on these babies!
@@matthewwolfe4509yea same here, I’ve been through 2 sets of my girlfriends 2003 Pontiac vibe awd and right around 25-30k miles they start sliding like crazy in the rain when cornering, think I will go with contential dws06 plus next. I have them on my other car and they’re awesome and don’t have any issues with sliding
Hey Jake I’m still following you. I have about 15k on my tires. I am starting to see some wear I don’t know if I will get 40k out of them on my rav 4 so we will see if I end up claiming warranty on then. However they are great zero complaints as far as traction goes in all conditions. Also I check my air pressure at least 4 times a month and They hold air like no tire I have ever had before they will go 3 months sometimes and they might be down 3 pounds.
Dude I hate the freaking hear that! It's funny, I'm sure you watch this video for the 40,000 miles. I haven't barely noticed anywhere. But I've also been rotating my tires every 10,000 mi or so. I normally don't do that. I've had vehicles that I've ran 80,000 miles and never rotated them one time. (All terrain tires).
That really freaking sucks man. I hate to hear that. Definitely claim warranty or whatever. Do not let Michelin screw you over like that. I know the tires are new, but you have a RAV4 so it's not like you have a Maserati or a Corvette or anything like that. I mean they should be lasting a lot longer than that
Glad to hear that my opinions on traction are true though. Like I told you before, I don't get paid for this so it's not like it matters if anybody buys them or not. I just unequivocally believe that these are the best tires on the market
had the original cross climate on the family car for about 5.5 years (had to be replaced because of a maximum 5 year old age limit for the annual mandatory inspections)
at that point the tyres had about half the thread used up (depth)
the tyres did about 92.000km for that period (including about 1.5 years of less driving due to covid.
the most visible/obvious sign of age on them was that they were rinkling/cracking like rubber burnt from long exposure to sunlight. I would say that in that last year they felt possibly about 5% less amazing. The only case i encountered that was in some (unintentionally) aggressive driving in mountain roads. The road was very old and meant to be riven at very very slow speeds, like 20-35kph max, but with good company in the car i was forgetting that and going downhill car was accelerating more and then i had to throw the car in blind tight 180 degree turns and slow it down while turning at the same time. It felt more understeery than earlier. Could also be the hot weather making the tyres too soft, but it is the only time these tyyres felt to be performing less that they used to for the entire period. And when replaced with the new ones (cross climete plus) that slight understeery feeling at extreme turning, went away.
On my personal car (about 500kg lightter than the family car) i have some stupid cheap "performance oriented" summer tyres (came with the car... will be changed in a year).
these summer tyres perform worse in every condition than the michelins.
(comarable weahter - summer) they are worse in dry breaking, launching, turning, handling, comfort, noise, (not sure about fuel economy in different cars). Wet is also a similar case... and obviously snow cant be compared... i have winters for my personal car since i drive a lot in snow and icy conditions. the family car has not had the need to drive in deep snow, but has handled up to 10cm of snow like nothing and that was in the original CC. the CC2 have a huge snow improvement so i cna only gues how well they perform
Any updates?
Who has a 5 year limit on tires? That's ridiculous. Great way to keep tire companies in business.
Hahaha yea. But man, I just did a video on 85K miles and I have over half the tread left… that is messing up the game. I have never seen tires so durable.
Nothing like a good set of chains on ice or deep snow. I have Toyo AT3 on a Jeep Wrangler and absolutely must use chains in rough conditions off road
I ran chains in mount rainier when the snow was 13 feed deep last year. Ran them again with just the cc2 and they were better.
I know that sounds ridiculous. But it’s true
I was really proud to hear such great results for these tires. I just got an estimate and this was one they recommended for me. I did hear you say that the mpg could be affected. Could you tell me how much you have noticed on your vehicle? I have always gotten 23.9 mpg on my nissan maxima. I hope that wouldn't change just more milage. I will look forward to hearing your reply.
You know it's actually cool. I actually have a video of it. Go click on my channel, and I actually have a spreadsheet all the way from like 50 miles all the way up to 90 mph. I literally spreadsheet everything. So you can see how much I lose
I lose a couple miles overall. But it's kind of non-existent around 60 mph. But when you're going 90 mph, it's a difference between 24 miles per gallon and 19 miles per gallon. It's kind of bad at high speeds
I've had mine on my '15 Forester about 3 weeks now and I can't stress enough how impressed I am with how they handle in the rain.
That said, I ordered them in APRIL. They took until July, ugh.
Lol Good to hear. Funny story about mine. I have my parents and some uncles and aunts who have been driving Michelin for decades. So I walked into the store and said "I want a pair of Michelin tires".
This was the only pair that had in stock, and they had to go get them from the warehouse so I sat and waited 2 hours before they came back with the tires and put them on.
It was very serendipitous that I got this. Not planned at all. But they ended up being the best ones. However, I don't know why they don't keep them in stock
$942 for a set of 4 @ Costco Memphis (includes the $150 rebate on a set of 4, tire fees, installation, disposal, taxes) as of February 4th, 2023.
Wish I knew this when I bought them. Every time I go to Costco, my wallet whimpers a little bit
Thanks for the update!!
I have a 75K one coming up soon. Be prepared to shock
I will test it with my set this next Winter by my self i can not belive the mile you have drivin
Hahaha ! I do drive a lot. To be honest, I put about 40k on the first year. In the past year or so, it has been nowhere near as bad as the fist year. But I do have an 85K mile review coming out with a tread gauge. So that should show what they look like after this time
I just bought these and it’s a pretty quiet tire
How have you liked them for the last few months?
Need advice i live right outside nyc which has some snow a few months a year. I have a 2020 cx5 gtr and im dumping the toyos. I can get a good deal on either pirelli scorpion as plus 3 or cross climates 2. I look for strong handling and road holding and quiet smooth ride especially for long freeway drives. Good Wet performance more then snow performance because of where i live. Which you think would be a better bet between these two? Oh i only put like 6000 miles a year on my car maybe.
Ps love your channel
so first question, were those the toyos that come on it from the factory ? If they are, I can honestly say they were terrible. Maybe I am over reacting, but they wore out quick, slipped the whole time, and just had zero superior qualities.
Secondly, the “good deal” part is important if you are cost conscious. Because I spent an arm and a leg for mine. If I could have gotten the cc2s for, say, $1000, it would be a no brained. I would buy them again at full price, but that would be a no brained for sure.
If you are looking for handling and holding, look no further. Period. These are unmatched.
They are great in snow, but I am from Alabama. I drive 40,000 miles a year, traveling and what not. So I drive everywhere. But I am in whiteout rain conditions a lot more than I am in snow.
They are built for snow. But they were BUILTTTT for the rain, man. Phenomenal. I don’t know why all tires don’t follow thispattern.
I personally don’t think you would regret it at all.
Maybe on the road noise,but we both have “new” cars. If you had a 93 civic, big deal. But for new cars, not even noticable
@jakemarchand8627 Thanks so much brother as I appreciate your input ! Ya they are the a36 toyos and I really want them off cause I just don't trust them and the ride is just bad bad. So the cc2 would run me with 1146.00 plus tax Herr in nyc. The pirellis scorpion at plus 3 would run 970.00 plus tax. About 50 more a tire. I drive around 6k miles a year so you have way way for experience! I'm in nyc and some winters snow others meh. But I mean I could Def swing the cc2 If they are much better then the pirelli. I'm looking for good Wet traction but great handling and road behavior. I cate more about smoothness then noise. You think cc2 are worth the extra 200 ? Thanks again
Dude I was going through these, and I have to know what you end up going with?
Thanks for the Info. I actually bought these last week for my wife's 2020 Glc 300 and she loves the fact we are getting these tomorrow put on her car and away from hard runflats that get maybe 30,000 if your grandma driving. We are In Washington State so its a good fit for our conditions. We get the 30 day challenge at Discount Tire but I'm sure they will be keepers.
How are you liking them so far?
The wife loves them and feels safe wth these over her run flats. They also look good on her car and she is definelty happy with purchase.
@@jerryjohnson2270 Good to know. I’m considering them for my ‘21 GLC 300 here in Colorado. Does your wife do lots of highway driving? I have a daily highway commute and that does involve driving in snow occasionally.
These tires are great she loves them on her GLC, in wet, snow, icy and drives rural and highway about even.
How did they last through the winter?
Thanks for the update video. Did you notice any impact on gas mileage ?
I'm going to be honest I haven't noticed anything on the fuel efficiency. They're pretty much the same. I need to check to see if they've gotten worse though
Just put these on my BMW 135i as a winter set. It has plenty enough power to spin them on dry pavement so I figure I'll let people know how they perform as a performance tire: They feel great when sliding and fish-tailing. Break away is predictable and forgiving. Breaking is fantastic. Cornering and acceleration do not feel as good as my Pilot Sport 4s's (summer set). But, considering that these are snow tires, they are fantastic. I needed a tire that would allow me to dive in the mountains of Colorado this holiday season but was dreading the decrease in performance. These tires provide winter capabilities without sacrificing too much performance. Can't wait to see how they perform in the snow!
Nice to read, I was worried about a soft sidewall and the potential of wearing out the shoulders quickly
I have them on my BMW X4 M40i, they are fantastic!!! Super soft ride on dry and wet pavement, corners are great as well Very glad I got these tires. There were Bridgestones on mine before I got these, they were junk...they lasted less that 40K miles. I think these will go the full 60K miles they are warranted for. I use them for everyday tires, not winter tires, they are perfect for any weather.
How have they been going so far?
I still really like them.
Good to hear! They made another winter, and 85k miles so far with minimal wear
Excellent review. I’ll be ordering a set. Thank you.
Dude I appreciate it! Thanks for the compliment!
Hi. They still reliable? How many milage can ypu expect from them?
So this is going to be a little funny, but I actually have a video I posted last week of my 80,000 mi review. Go check it out
@@jakeofreshly maybe they are worth the price... Definitely will watch it. Thanks
So I'm not sure if this is still relevant. But I actually just did a review for $85,000 miles, but I had a tire depth gauge. And I have over half the life on them
Just got my CC2's installed today on a Volvo AWD wagon. Had been running Nokian WRG-4, which at 30K miles had great remaining tread but sidewall and tread dry rot cracking. Initial impression is that the CC2's run much smoother and with less noise, however, they are not as solid or unperturbed over bad pavement as the WRG-4's--bounced or skittered a lot.
Will see how I make out with the CC2's. Had Nokian WRG-2's and WRG-3's. WRG-2 was the best. But since Nokian tells me I am SOL with the dry rot, I did not want to take a chance on the WRG-5's so switched to Michelin due to the good reviews overall.
I did like the Nokian WRG's a lot, but cannot accept how they handled the dry rot issue. I always checked inflation and had the tires balanced and rotated. I thought I was a Nokian for Life convert, but they lost me. The Nokian dealer said Nokian would give me a 20% discount on the WRG-5's, but then he jacked up the price per tire to over US$250 each--more expensive than Michelin CC2's--WTF.
Yeah, you have to keep me posted. I’d love to see how they are after 1000 miles or something when you really get to test them out a little bit. And I’ve actually heard a lot about the Noki and tires. I’ve never had a pair of them, so I would have to watch your videos on them.
Are they quiet and give a comfortable ride ?
Not really that quite, but and average comfort. However, well worth it
Oh thanks for the video. I am a tire geek.
I'm turning into one as well. I'm extremely mechanical in nature, and I grew up on a farm. So you can kind of tell I've got a decent mechanical background. But ever since buying these tires, I've turned it to a target. The sad thing is, when I posted a picture of them I got more likes on my Instagram than I did any other picture.
Thanks for an honest review! I can’t wait to get these for my wife’s ‘19 Acadia and dump these Continental’s that are super warn at 20k.
Any update
Just traded my 2021 MAZDA CX 5 Carbon Edition with 42k
for a 2024 Mazda CX 90 PHEV!
I loved my CX 5 but was just too small .
My CX 90 has been great not as much zoom zoom as my CX 5 Turbo
but it go from 0 to 60
i’m 6 seconds
Final thoughts on Cross Climates
they were amazing in Winter but proned to nails due their soft build !
Hahahaha I have heard that from a few ppl recently... About the nails
As a Subaru owner these do suck on gravel... now get that gravel wet and these tires are awesome
Hahaha so you lose traction on gravel?
The Falken OEM tires on my Subaru Ascent were down to 2/32 at less than 23000 miles. Terrible tire. Replaced with the CC2’s. Haven’t had a chance to put them to the test, but they look great and appear really aggressive. On road, they’re quiet, and comfortable. So far handling is excellent. Got them for $1065 from America’s Tire. I’ve seen them for even less.
SMan… you have to love the looks of these
Set I ran on awd Lincoln Mkt. They only lasted 30k and wires were showing. They wore even but fast. They got noisy after about 10-12k miles too.
I’m about to do a 75000 mile review. You are going to shocked how much tread I get on them…
Wonder why they wore out so fast for you. Do you have lots of mountains, or drive fast all all?
Mine is just a front wheel drive.
The big question is though: how they will perform on snow and ice after some rubber ageing. Lets say after 4 years. I have these and running it for first winter and they are brand new with "fresh" rubber. In my area we do experience heavier winters. During summer i do notice the softer compound - full pedal to the metal in corners - i am getting understeer and sliding out. Now last week i tested emergency braking also during blackice condition - slides more and has less grip than winter tyre but still manageable. Luckily not experiencing lot of this conditions. Rare case. We'll see then
Just a fun fact. I’m gonna do a 75,000 mile video pretty soon. And you’re gonna love it. So I’ve been on here for a couple years now I reckon.
I just purchased mine yesterday 7/16 had OEM Bridgestone Dueler H/P on my 2020 Murano Platinum no AWD with 15k on them car has the same so it's brand new. Car is from Texas where it doesn't snow so I needed to change them before winter.I noticed a difference the second I hit my brakes GRIPPY oh yeah. Hit the highway and some twistys just to check out the grip check check and check. We'll see how they do this ❄️in Missouri
Oh you already know. These things are grippy as hell. I've made a couple references and a couple jokes about this, but I literally, literally, literally, literally, literally, literally don't think I've ever had my tire slip since I put them on. I mean I don't think I've had them slip when I floor it or slip on the turn.
Never. I used to have them slip all the time in the rain for example if it was raining and I pulled up to a stop sign. If I was too heavy on the gas, it would slip.
Sometimes too when I would be able to stop sign and I would turn, I would be a little heavy on the gas and the tires would slip and traction control would have to take over.
I know that was a lot of literally's, but I don't think they've slipped one time either rain or shine. Changes the whole game
I also live in the southeast in Alabama, so snow is not a big concern of mine. It's mainly rain and bad weather conditions. But I have taken him up to Mount Rainier in Seattle and lake Tahoe and through a blizzard in North Carolina. So I've tested them and they're pretty good in the snow. So you should be good to go
Amazing how good those treads look and good point on the way they wear compared to other tread patterns.
Just wait. I'm going to do a 60 or 70,000 mi review pretty soon. And they're doing great. It's very strange
Like I said in the video, my Toyo Tires lasted 38,000 mi and then started showing red wear bands through the tire tread. And I rode them for another 10,000, which is very unsafe. I've already put 60,000 mi on these tires and they look perfect
Thanks for the update video. Wat speed rating are these CrossClimate 2? V or H speed rated?
You know that's a unique question. I've been asked a lot of questions, and that's the absolute first one I've had of that. I'll have to look up and get back with you in just a little bit
By the way, thanks for watching my videos. It's people like you that make it all worth it
One thing, i got stuck in a slightly declined driveway after a snow storm with these in a Subaru. But managed to get the front wheels in some cables and got out. Maybe i don't know how to get out of deep snow on a slight slope and melted snow to ice under the tires and managed to get tires to smoke. But that was after desperation pedal to the floor.
Oh man I’m sorry to hear that man. I know getting stuck can totally blow up a great day. I hope it wasn’t that bad of an experience.
Do you think the tires got you stuck, or do you think you were going to get stuck regardless?
@@jakeofreshly stuck regardless... It was a good storm the night before and the incline to get out. Also the driveway was 1 car wide with a uphill embankment on one side and drop on the other. So maybe if it were wider I would've been able to slip more side to side and caught traction. I needed to shovel the tires and the chains to cut into the packed snow/ice just to break out of the driveway onto the level street. Then I probably would've been fine, but I had my chains on already so I kept them on until I got down to snowline.
@@kohort1 have you noticed the slippage going away just an everyday life like if you're at a stop sign on the yellow stripe, and you punch it. I noticed when I got mine, it just stopped slipping entirely. I have to say after 80,000 miles, I'm starting to notice slips when I slammed the pedal forward
@@jakeofreshly you've had the cc2 for 80k? That's good to know. But I don't think I've had any noticeable tire slip on pavement. Snow seems normal except for that instance. However I don't have experience with other all weather tires to compare with
@@kohort1 yeah man, 100. I just actually did a video about a week ago for my 80000 me review. I'm going to do a video in the next week or so when I go and buy a tire gauge so we can look and see how much they wore out. But they're doing fantastic
I'm a little shy about CC2s. I have CC1s and they are worn out at 18,000 miles. I put on snow tires in Nov and take them off in Apr so I then rotate at less than 6,000 miles swapping back to front on the same side. All 4 tires are completely worn on the inside. Had alignment checked and the car is in spec. So I don't want to spend $$$ for a set of CC2s if they won't last. BTW: Put the CC1s on after doing 40,000 miles on Conti's and they were not down to the wear bars.
What vehicle did you have the Michelin CC1’s on? Surprised to hear they were worn at 18k miles. I use Michelin Energy Saver Plus tyres on my Prius (UK)- got 70k out of a set and only changed them because I’d been running them for almost 7 years and they’d developed surface micro fracture wear externally due to ageing. They still had entirely legal tread on them - enough for another 2 or 3 years! Just put a pair of CC2’s on my wife’s Toyota Yaris (front) - the difference in ride grip and handling was astounding. It was like a different car!
Are you in Europe?
@@jakeofreshly Yes, United Kingdom (Britain). The Michelin Energy Savers were on a 2nd Generation Prius doing 10k miles a year, mostly commuting. Not the most perfect road surface conditions either. Driving at speed limits (GPS) mostly, or slightly higher when speed traps aren’t an issue. I don’t drive like a snail either - even if my Prius isn’t exactly a BMW M3 speed demon.
Silver City, NM USA @@jakeofreshly
@@datathunderstorm yeah that makes sense. Like I said, you guys have shorter driving distances, uand less people have cars. And fuel is really expensive. So they focus on comfort and fuel efficiency over there. The tires are really light, with not that much rubber on them.
Good news though, if you look at the test of these tires, they actually do better at 3/32 of an inch then they do at 10/32 when they are new.
Over here, we drive a lot. I've already driven 75,000 mi on mine
One difference though is that I drive like a grandpa for sure
I just ordered a set of 4. They couldn't get that model at the dealership. I had to call a couple places. The discount shops are fine, but only $85 between the highest and lowest prices. $1055 for the 2018 Rav 4
I think the reason mine were so high is because of the 19 inch rims on my suv.
Where did you buy your tires at?
I bought mine at a tire shop. Not sure if it is a local chain or not, but it is “express oil change and tire engineers”. I know they have a few shops around town, but I don’t think they are that big of a chain. Like a local Pep Boys or something.
Hey Jake you doing ok long time no see, funny enough I’ve been watching your videos for a long time and I have the same tires on my RAV4 now I actually have the exact same car as you so I would love to hear an update as I’ve been considering getting these tires for my CX 5
Hey brother! Would love to give you an update! Man… sorry for the delay… I started working at a tech company In sales… and man… I have taken a real. Drag on making videos. As a matter of fact, I am about to do a 75K video. Sure bet the haters are going to love it, but ready to update you guys!!!
Man, so happy you reached out. Please forgive the tardiness. Happy to hear from you!
Are these tires fairly quiet?
So funny story. I actually have a video in this channel where I'm driving in the car with a decibel reader taking exact readings at different speeds.
If you want to, you can watch that. Bear in mind, the car is about a year-and-a-half old. So it's going to be on the quieter side.
Thanks for the review! Looking to replace my 10 year-old tires before next winter, these CC2 are definitely at the top of my list. Can you give us an actual measurement of the tread depth (?/32-inch)? Since we know they are 10/32" new, that would help project how many miles you'll be able to get out of those when hit 3/32" ("worn tire" test condition) or 2/32" (legal limit). Thanks.
Yeah I'll see what I can do. Is there a specific place you want it measured? Because it seems to vary across the tire. As you can tell, it's a little bit thicker on the inside and a little bit thinner on the edges. On the inside tread?
@@jakeofreshly can you do all three, I'm considering this for my 2021 Toyota Corolla
Brother, I know this doesn't matter anymore, but I went ahead and did a video review, WITH A TIRE GAUGE, at 85k miles.
if you are still considering, you should check it out. It's wild.
H or V speed rating ?
How you been? Hopefully everything is good, how are the tires holding up?
I was gonna ask you the same thing?
I got a damn job in tech sales, which is kind of a pinacle industry job. And boy it’s been crazy. I need to make some more videos…
It's clear these tires are great in snow and rain, because I live in Michigan. - I own a supercharged Land Rover so part of the fun is it's almost like a sports car too, how do these tires handle with cornering and sport driving? Thanks!
So one thing I'll have to let you know is you have to be careful the first couple of weeks. Because you're going to be support driving everything trying to test these tires.
I only have a 4-cylinder, so it's nothing like yours. But the first couple of weeks I was driving crazy trying to see if I could slide. And I really can't make them slip anywhere. I'm not even sure if traction control works anymore on my vehicle because they will not slip. Whether that be me punching it at a stop sign when it turns green or hitting a hard corner after a stop light. So I can't make them slip anymore.
I'm not sure if they're made for Corvettes or whatever, but I've never felt handling like them.
@@jakeofreshly thanks for taking the time, I ordered a set getting them put on Friday lol (265/45/20) - I'll report back with my 2 cents, sure I'll love them.
@@Bmphotog let me know what you think when you finally get around to it brother!
So I love them, they look absolutely killer and mean - 265/45/20 although I did feel some give in the sporty tightness of handling from my Pirellis sport all seasons, but not enough to be a problem. I know these will handle a Michigan winter much better - worth the trade off. I found them to be comfortable and quiet on my Range Rover. May consider getting a set of summer tires for sport agility driving, but likely not necessary. Cheers!
@@Bmphotog dude that's good to hear. I can't wait to hear what it sounds like once you get a little bit of that Michigan winter under your belt. I have only used them in the snow in a couple of places like Mount Rainier and lake Tahoe and then through this blizzard in North Carolina last year. But mostly they come into play when I'm driving through these freaking Southeast typhoons and floods that happen down here all the time. So they're actually fantastic for the summer for me because we're so rainy and we have such a bad driving conditions
But when I did use them on the snow, they were sick. Like in Mount Rainier, I've driven up there before with chains and the chains suck. But I drove up the whole entire mountain to where the road was blocked off with just my Michelin tires and it handled like a dream
what tire pressure have u run with these??
So funny story, I actually did a video on that. If you care, check it out.
I run them to what the inside of the door panel recommends from the factory. I used to run "what the tire said", but that is dangerous and ridiculous. Bad habits from driving F350 with 12 ply tires. lol.
But I run them what it say on the inside of the door. I believe it says between 32-34
Do you have V or H rated CC2? Maybe you mentioned this. Looking to get these for my ‘17 CR-V. Live in snow belt on shores of Lake Erie. Thanks!
149 mph
These Cross Climate 2 or the Michelin Defender LTX M/S?
I would go CC2 all dang day. But it would depend on what climate you are in.
Personally, no contest. I have never driven tires like this before
Just got these for my Tesla model y
Brother, after two months, how has it been? I have heard mixed things from my EV folks.
All your videos are 1 year old. Anything more recent about the Cross Climate 2? I have them and love them.
Hahahaha this is so funny!!! I just did a video yesterday! 80k mile update! Check it out and let me know what you think!
Please do a follow up video, I would be pleased if you posted a short, one minute update, doesn't have to be 12:56 of your time (if that's the reason you haven't uploaded).
Hahaha… man… I am sorry for letting you guys down. I have never even thought of posting a “short” before… that is actually brilliant.
What do you mean by one directional and you can’t rotate them like you used to?
Hahah I did a short video on that . Check it out in the playlist!
I used to rotate the tires across on all my trucks in a the past. For these, you just rotate them front to back because the tread is directional!
What are your thoughts on putting these tires on a ford expedition?
They may not do a version with a heavy enough load rating for an expedition so you would need to check.
I don’t see any problem with it. Did you go through with it?
Do you think they are quiet and how’s your mileage with them?
So this is actually funny. I actually have a video in the playlist if you want to check it out and it talks about the sound. I would not say they're too loud to where I would not buy them. But it definitely put them on a decibel reader so everybody could see. I think they are a little bit louder, but it could be just me lol if you want to I can put the link in the video and show you.
Thanks
Bro thanks for watching!
Interesting video, but please, for the love of all that is holy, cut back on the endless babbling lol
Man, I am learning. Just need to edit all of the crap out of these videos.
My strong suit is talking, lol. Weak point is editing.
Gmee123 what don’t you just keep your stupid critical comments to yourself. What a tool. Thanks for your opinion and the time you invested to help the rest of us, sir.
Man I just started doing these because I love it, but also because I saw a statistic where 98.5% of people consume media and 1.5% of people actually made it. I figured if I was making content, I basically have no competition.
However, I have to learn from scratch.
U guys should see the 30min rough cuts before I edit them!!!! Talk about babbling!
I'm old and want a very quiet tire. Some tires get really loud after half life. How quiet and comfortable would you say these are?
In short terms, I would have to say fantastic. I would say the shining Star of these tires is the control and the safety. But I haven't noticed any comfort if shoes and I've got almost 60,000 mi on them now
I swap blizzaks and cheap all seasons every year and I'm on here because my friend has these and we were toe to toe in the Tahoe snow, meanwhile she doesn't have to swap. 40k and reasonable tread wear, what kind of magic is this? The blizzaks are really not good in the summer, car rolls and heaves around the road, so I'm trying to figure this puzzle out. I do drive it HARD, so maybe she wouldn't notice that or... these cross climates are just that good.
I am in love with them… seriously… wouldn’t go back, unless you paid me. Haha
Big fan, michelin all the way!
I got to agree with you. There's nothing like them! Especially not these specifically
how does jr compare to a high performance all season?
Any specific ones in mine? These are the best tires I have ever had, hands down. I feel like I have the best of both worlds
@@jakeofreshly Continental DWS016 plus
@@jakeofreshly Continental DWS016 plus
Dude I'm so sorry for not seeing this. If I had the option in between either of them, and price was not an issue, I would go with the Michelin all day. I actually just did a video of 85,000 miles with these tires and I still have over half the tread depth
@@jakeofreshly thx for the response !
Hey Jake - I’ve heard the road noise jump quite a bot after 25k miles on these. Can you run another decibel test now that it’s over 40k miles compared to your last video?
Yeah sure can! I'm actually coming up on 60 here pretty soon so I'm going to have to do another review. I can definitely talk about the decibel reading as well. I haven't noticed them getting any louder though, I can't say that
I mean they sound just as good as they always did.
They have gotten much louder on our vehicle. Now approaching 30k miles.
I actually just ran them over 85,000 miles. Did a tread depth test and I have over half the life on it. They still found fantastic even after being half worn down.
Hello! How they behave in very hot weather? Thank you!
That's the best part of it. They are fantastic. I live in Alabama and I constantly drive in hot weather. Then they have been fantastic. I haven't slipped one time in about a year, so I don't even know if my traction control works still lol
Awesome. Thanksss
You got it! Happy something ring a bell for you. If you have any questions, let me know
Do they affect your gas mileage -/+
Lol a few miles per gallon for sure.
I have a 2013 Subaru Legacy limited. Here in Northern Ohio we get 60 to 75 inches of snow every winter . What is your opinion for my Subaru . Do you have a video in the snow. Thanks.
How much did your MPG suffer.
So that's actually funny, because I've had a lot of Subaru people ask if they were Good at off-roading, and I have not been able to recommend or comment much on that. However, I do have some experience in the snow.
So I have two statements about this. The first being my own. I have driven these in Mount Rainier in Seattle, lake Tahoe, and drove them through a blizzard in North Carolina. One of those special, once in 50 year type of blizzard. And I can say they handle fantastic. I have driven up Mount Rainier before with chains strapped around my regular tires, and I was slipping and sliding the whole time. I was not comfortable with the road noise and the grinding, and it was just not a good experience. Over, could not make the vehicle slipped my time when I had my CrossClimate2 on there. NO CHAINS.
In lake Tahoe, I was driving around and slush. Which, you probably know, can be more challenging than driving around in snow. Once again, fantastic.
In North Carolina during the blizzard, I was all through the state parks and I was staying at a wildlife resort. So even parking was scary, because there's so many mountains in your head to park on 30 or 40° includes. Once again, they perform perfect
@@joetrumblak3522
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So above, I actually put a video that is pretty extensive on the mileage I lost on these tires. If you want to click on the link, you can see the video. NO SPAM OR VIRUS OR WHATEVER IN THE LINK!!! JUST A RUclips VIDEO FROM MY PLAYLIST
Overall, I lose about 1 mi to 1 and 1/2 mi per gallon. I used to pretty regularly see 28.7 MPG on my dashboard, and now it stays around 27 to 27.5. And this is calculated over 5,000 mi. I like to calculate fuel efficiency three ways: instantaneously on the dashboard, over the course of a fuel tank which is about 350 miles, and over the course of an oil change which is every 5,000 mi.
So over 5,000 mi, which is much longer and it reduces variability, I lose about a mile to a mile and a half.
The funny thing is there's not much of a fuel loss when you are driving its lower speeds like 60 or so. But once you get up to higher speeds like 80 to 85 to 90 call me you definitely see two to three miles lost. So if you're driving fast on a 300 mile trip on the interstate, you might see two or three miles loss.
But if you do a long haul you calculate over 5,000 mi, it is more even than it will only be about a mile or so loss and fuel efficiency
works well on a FWD HEV with the same weather condition here in Canada.
what about as tires that will pick up nails..would you say they are less likely due to tread etc.
You know this is a weird question. But thanks for asking it
I notice they pick up gravel and sling it against the fender well. A bit
@@jakeofreshly: For this reason, I always do, and encourage others, to have front and back mudflaps installed, always, especially dealer molded ones.
SO curious… Hae you ever seen a Mazda with aftermarket mudflaps? lol.
And yea man. Those mean so much more than keeping dirt off the rims… …
Love the comments man!
How good are these tires for Tesla Model Y?
Did you ever get them for the tesla?
@@jakeofreshly i’m still on the original tire with 32k miles on them. Looks they are good for another 15k miles before I need to get new sets.
Man. I just did a video of 85k miles, with a tire gauge. I have over half the life left on the tires, man… insane.
@@jakeofreshly I’m still on my original set of tires at 51k miles. Got my Y November 3, 2022 as 2023 model year and the tire still good for maybe another 10 to 15k. It’s insane when people are complaining they need a new set of tires at 20k or less. I have a long range so that is also a factor.
@@mrbrownkayumangi you know, things like that make you wonder. It must just be people driving really fast or something.
There's definitely some logic to it. They are softer tires because the rubber compound is a little bit closer to a winter compound. But that being said, they are full tread depth of which allows them to ride out for the average Tire length.
That being said, I just did a video where I measured them at 85000 me.
What about the noise level of 40,000 Mi can you give me an Insight on that
I’m about to do it at 75K. Great!
I have yet to see actual prices quoted on these tires Jake. I have a Ford Escape and when the time comes, I'll probably opt for these. What is my wallet looking at? Great video btw Thanks
They range 180-210 (depending on tire size)
@@oneofus_tv 225 /55 R19 99V SL BSW in indiana is running at cheapest, 259.00 a pop,. Pretty salty.
@@gmee123 price quote here was in california prices.
If you took it now, maybe it’s cheaper a year later? By the way, sorry for talking so long and taking so long.
How is the noise
I actually have a video, but you can check out, if you still care 10 months later lol
De ce unele anvelope de la Michelin nu au cuvântul dot?
Michelin says this tire got better snow traction with almost worn thread(1,6 mm) than Chinese New Allseason tires with full thread of 8mm
I’m not sure. I definitely would not try to wear those suckers down. That would be crazy if they got better with age like wine. That would be a first.
What is the thread depth of MCC2 when it is new
It is 10/32’s from the factory.
How quiet are these tires at highway speeds ?
In the sincerest fashion, I don't notice them. If I had to tell you are they louder or quieter than my previous tires and you had a knife to my back, I would have to say louder. But I bet if I double blind tested 50 people they couldn't tell the difference.
These tires are NOT designed for off roads other than back roads.
But serious off road Subaru fans, get a different tire.
Hahah have you tested them? I figured they would be better than a regular tire, but would throw a bunch of rocks
@@jakeofreshly The sidewalls aren’t designed for off road terrain.
How have they been working for you?
@@jakeofreshly They’re an awesome tire for what they are designed for.
We live 5 miles from town on a private road that we have to plow and maintain ourselves. We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter.
In the spring we have a lot of slush and rainy days. In the fall we start getting rain that turns to snow.
I like the tires so much that when the factory tires needed to be replaced on my wife’s Outback, we bought a set of 4 for her car.
When they wear out, we will Definitely replace them with another set.
My brother and his family live in Portland, Oregon and they get a LOT of rain and some snow. He too has the Cross Climate 2 tires on his Outback and he’ll replace them with another set when it’s time.
My wife’s family live in Montana, so we recommended the tires to her brothers and sister in laws.
Her oldest brother and his wife have both an Outback and a Volvo S-70 AWD. They put a set on their old Outback (his commuter car) and he too loves them, so when it was time to replace the tires on the Volvo they bought a set for it as well.
Both of their adult sons live in western Washington so they recommended them to their sons. Both of them too love the tires.
One of their granddaughters started college and needed new tires, so they wanted to help their granddaughter and bought her a set for her Corolla. She too loves how well they handle the rainy weather in Seattle.
My wife and I have an adopted son,it was an open adoption and he does know his biological mom, (she had him when she was only 15 and couldn’t raise him properly). His Camry was wore out and he needed a reliable car for Med school so his biological mom gave him her Subaru Crosstrek. He came to us last Christmas and asked if we would buy him new tires. He’s our son, so of course we did. We bought him a set of Cross Climate 2 tires. He told us that he loves the traction of the tires while trying to navigate through heavy traffic in Seattle and going back and forth when he comes home going over Snowqualmie and Blewitt passes when he comes home, no matter what the road conditions are.
So yeah, we Live the Cross Climate 2 tires.
Go check out my 85k mile review.
I had a tire gauge this time. lol. Still have over half the tire life on them
A little bit too thorough, but maybe necessary seeings how tires these days are an expensive decision.
Yeah I tried to. I found a lot of spoof reviews and a lot of reviews that focus on stuff you can find on the internet like facts and specifications. I just wanted to kind of give an opinion on it as if I was your friend and I was telling you how I liked it
@@jakeofreshly Okay. To be honest I'm kind of scared to use Michelins because of a bad experience I had with them. But yeah, thanks for taking the time to relate your review.
@@criskatan yeah that makes sense. I've actually had a lot of people in the comments with bad experiences on them.
My experience with Michelin is very sketchy lol My parents and uncles and aunts and a few of my friends have Michelin tires, and they swear by them. It's almost like Michelin Tires are a religion to them
So I walked into the tire dealership and asked for a pair of Michelin tires. The only ones they had were these new tires I'm reviewing. So it was really kind of luck and fortune
How much psi should i put in the tires usually i go 33 should i got 36 on these
So this is funny. I'm actually going to be dropping a video about the exact tire pressure to keep in these tires. Lol. So you're just a little bit ahead of the game. I've already filmed it, so just let me edit it and I will get it up here soon
I run whatever It says on the inside of my door panel. When I first got them, I ran them up to 40 because I was under the misconception that running them higher closer to the limit on the tire was preferable for a couple of reasons, specifically fuel efficiency at the cost of comfort.
However, I have looked up extensive research on the subject and tried it in multiple different variations over the past 40,000 mi. And I can say, the level of the inside of the door panel seems to be the best.
Because different vehicles have different weights and different weight distributions there's not a one size fit all. For example, my Mazda is not that light even though it's pretty small. And it also seems to have a pretty even weight distribution but definitely gets rear-heavy when you load it up with people cargo. And that is definitely different from putting them on a pickup truck or putting them on something like a Toyota Camry or a Honda Accord, which is front heavy.
So knowing that all vehicles are different, I decided to just follow the instructions on the inside of the door. And now I have several benefits from doing that. One, I have good comfort. Two, the fuel efficiency has been optimal, matching what it was when I over pressure the tires to 40 psi. So there was no benefit to a pressure and then for me. Three, I have had good comfort and road feel. My vehicle drives straight and true. And fourth, I have had even inconsistent wear patterns on the tires.
I know that's rather long, but I tested them over-pressured to 40 psi and also test with them around 28 to 30 psi for comfort. And I did not see any serious difference. I did not think it was worth the risk of tired deformation or inconsistent tire wear.
So I followed the inside of my door panel. I can go check, but I think it was 33 PSI is what my manufacturer suggested. And I do not find that these tires are different enough to where I should change it from there.
So I would just stick with what's recommended on the door panel;))))
You won't gain much covered by making them softer, and you won't gain any fuel efficiency by making them more firm. Just my opinion
Depending on the speed you often drive. I usually have extra 3 psi in the summer due to warmer weather will increasing the psi further during driving and extra 5 psi in the winter as the tire does not increases much pressure in winter condition. MPG will increase only when the vehicle is in lower speed like in town/city driving or stop and go traffic condition. It does not have much effect on highway speed driving as the air resistance is so great that almost eliminate the benefit of the extra pressure in the tire.
@@Jeo-What yea thats for sure. And i spreadsheeted it to death. And i do predominantly 99% Interstate driving. I found the myths my pops preached pretty quick
The V rated version
Sorry i meant my Camry XSE 2015
Man, you guys are all good