The Grand Seiko has a very Japanese character. Calm, reserved, unpretentious, tidy, reliable. Grand Seiko underpromises and overdelivers. Spring Drive for the win!!!)))
It’s the same bs as people bragging about their football team is better than yours. Unless you are on the team you have no right to brag about it. Unless you helped design a Lexus you can’t say it’s better than another car because you just simply bought it. Where is the skill in that. Anyone can buy anything
Sadly the whole Rolex thing gets up my nose. There is barely a watch in their collection that I even like. The new coloured Prepetual I think they are, are nicely made with great colours. Then they ruined it by putting that stupid jester hat in place of the 12 o'clock hour marker. ... The datejust is OK too. The rest of Rolex is overopulence for the sake of charging a fortune.
yup. I have a daytona and a gmt master.... but my GS cherry blossom gets more wrist time simply because I love the movement and dial. I always have peopel asking me why I don't wear the rolex' since they are "superior"... it's so weird.
Now that you explained the terminology and some fundamental traits and features of Grand Seiko, take your camera and walk us through Seiko Butique in Melbourne !
I agree with Throwmeabone. Spring Drive is really something special. If you want a quartz level of accuracy, but you don't want a quartz watch, Spring Drive is your only option. I respect a well-made automatic, but that is arguably old technology. The most accurate Swiss automatic watch that I know of, Rolex, doesn't have a movement that even comes close to Spring Drive in regards to accuracy. I would also say that no watch company can compare with GS's dials, and the detailed attention devoted to GS's hands, markers, and case is unparalleled.
Mmmm. I am on that exact fence right now. I know spring drive *is* a mechanical movement, hand-built with soul and all that. Respect. But I'm still drawn to fully mechanical. If the SBGA413 "Spring", with the pink dial, were an automatic, I'd just be all over that.
Helpful video, but you forgot SBGR. In my mind, you have to handle a Grand Seiko to appreciate them. I find them pretty boring in pictures, but recently tried a silver dial SBGR299 and it dances under light like you can’t believe. And the weight of the case and bracelet are perfect. And the blue second hand...I’m definitely adding one to the collection.
Cheers. Personally speaking, the GS aesthetic really hits the mark for me, and I'm presently close to pulling the trigger. While I now know most of the info you provided, it took me a lot longer to piece it together than it took to watch this video, which is very useful and I wish I'd come across it sooner. Highly recommended.
I would love to know about Credor's history prior to brand repositioning, the good the bad and the ugly. Also it would be neat to get a sneak peak to see what they have planned for the future.
You can get older credors for crazy cheap prices on the pre owned market. They make some absolutely hideous watches too in my opinion. A few beautiful new ones out their but for me, 95% of the credors I've seen are as ugly as crocs on a man.
Just get the quartz 9F. Its fantastic in its own right and much cheaper to own and run it. Oh and so accurate, + - 10 sec a year is a conservative estimate, seen one lose 1 second in 7 months
Would like to hear a comparison between GS Spring Drive and GS High Beat. Specifically, maintenance/serviceability and longevity. I agree, Seiko/GS need to assign "NAMES" to their watches; it would help sales.
Fiat justitia ruat cælum The spring drive from an engineering standpoint should be nearly indestructible. No balance wheel which could break less friction in the system and the quartz components are assembly similar to there GS quartz watches which are pretty bullet prove. So 20 years without an service isn't that unrealistic.
When you want a GS, I would recommend always get the Spring Drive. It's the unique movement which defines Seiko. If you want a mechanical watch- there are plentiful others, And you obviously don't want a luxury battery powered Quartz. But if you want a quartz - that is not battery powered but powered by your wrist, behold the one and only Spring Drive. There aren't any othet brand who does this. And GrandSeiko not only does it but have perfected it. It's really an art - since it is not battery powered and rather powered by the main spring, the tolerance of voltage, capacitance and current are in absolute low threshold, probably at mcroAmpere and microFarad range(I don't exactly know since Seiko don't publish it). Its tolerance are so damn critically controlled that it is the king of any digital chips. It's truly an art that marries the traditional matchmaking with the modern timekeeping oscillators that revolutionized the last century. If you want a Grand Seiko , get one Spring Drive for sure and then think about others.....
They cost about the same money for maintenance. The problem is, not all country has certified watchmaker for servicing Springdrive. So you must shipped the watch back to Japan. Which is better, because case polishing already included in service package. And the best man for the job are no other than the Japanese itself.
@@debendragurung3033 The spring drive movement is mechanical movement that uses a quartz oscillator curcuit to regulate the speed of the drive gear that's being turned by the power from the mainspring through magnetic braking. It works nothing like a regular quartz watch. The spring drive module basically replaces the hairspring escapement on a more traditional mechanical watch. Aside from the neat sweep seconds hand, it also means watches that use it are extramely resistant to shock and magnetic fields. They are mechanical watches though. As you mentioned, the amount of electrical energy that makes the system work is incredibly small and part of the reason it took two decades of R&D.
Would love to own the Grand Seiko seen over at 4:35 in the vid. It is incredibly beautiful, but I guess I'll have to settle with Rolex my dad passed down to me for now. As a fan of Rolex and Omega, GS do make better watches but they have lower brand equity.
Grand Seiko 9s85 accuracy is actually worse than Rolex’s superlative chronometer at +2/-2 per day. However we must understand that this iteration of the GS movement (9s) was introduced back in 1998. I suspect the next iteration of GS movement will have free sprung balance wheel with eccentric adjustable nodes. I own both GS and Rolex and I’m sorry, apart from the dial the Rolex is better in all other areas especially the bracelet. AFAIK the next generation of GS mech movement is in developement phase so I suggest you guys not to put the trigger too soon
I think I could agree that a lot of their bracelets are not at the same standards of their watches but I would not call them absolute rubbish. I can't think of a GS bracelet that's worse than a pre2000s Rolex bracelet.
A stupid fan-made nickname to try to bring higher interest to watches that are not Grand Seiko, but are still really nice watches at their much lower price point.
Spring drive is the most pointless technology. For what? Might as well use a Quartz's movement and sell cheaper. Grand Seiko, just like Rolex, stupid brands that are over hyped and over priced.😞
And how far down the rabbit whole do you want to fo with what is overpriced and pointless? Have a ftiend with quite the collection. To name a few heavy hitters like iwc protugieser grande complication, lange zietwerk and a crap ton of other spectacular pieces. Looking at these up close i really dont see why theyre priced the way they are. Talk about pointless...you can just buy apple watch that is alot more accurate no? Youre totally missing the point if you think spring drive is pointless. Take your depressing ass elsewhere my man. Dont need guys like you around talking this hatred for no justifiable reason.
You dont have a battery so you dont need to change it and it cant end up ruining your movement, also you get some of the charm from a automatic with some of the upsides from a quarts. Furthermore its some cool tech and the sweep of the second hand is appealing. And they do have many of their models for cheaper with quartsz so your choice. I agree that wathces might be overpriced and to some extend stupid but i still think you get more bang for your buck from GS over Rolex.
Non! Seiko and Grand Seiko are the same brand i.e. "corporation" but different lines, saying anything else is just ludicrous. The SEIKO "5"'s are the best thing before GS because they're not as ugly looking as Seiko mid-tiers.
I agree. If you want the best value in a mechanical, lower end watch, get a Seiko 5. If you want the best value in a high-end watch, get a GS Spring Drive.
@@elliottaxinn7132: I'd go with their best mechanical and automatics before I'd go with the SD's, but that is also because I resent the fact that they pulled their smooth moving quartz movements and that I don't see a SD's as GS, and that they're far overpriced, like a tourbillon etc. It's ludicrous for Seiko to make any sort of quartz piece and especially the SD as a GS considering just how SEIKO is so overly paranoid about their image. Seiko could really benefit from psycho analysis or something? LOL
Separate brands under the same umbrella. Seiko 5s are cheap and not great unless you are on a crazy low budget. Seiko sarb and seiko divers from the prospex range are amazing value and still relatively cheap- but much Much better than any seiko 5(including the skx)
@@tomasinacovell4293 you can get good automatics from various brands at good value and bad value but nobody else can make a springdrive, it's amazing technology, finishing and accuracy so not sure why you think it's overpriced? You can get a GS spring Drive for $2500 new if you look around- for me that's incredible good value and a great watch
I know they're well made and have lovely dials but they all look the bloody same to me whether they're £100 or £5,000. Bit bland and boring looking. All the hundreds of different style watches that SEIKO make give Grand Seiko a bad name.
jharris947 did you watch the video..? Lol how can you begin to say that look the same when you take a very general comparison to other brands of the 5k-10k calibre? Complete variety of models, colours are outrageously diverse too.. variety would be the least critical point of GS's.
Of course I watched the video. Or was that a rhetorical question? Recently I wanted to buy another watch and decided to have a look at SEIKO. I looked at SARB/SARX/SARY/SARG/GS. That was when I realised that, to me, they all looked similar (not talking about diver's watches) and a bit bland looking. I couldn't see anything special about any them that would make me want to own a SEIKO. Sorry, but there was no WOW! factor for me. 0:41 Take away the power reserve indicator and it looks like a SARB035, which cost £300. I know it's got a better dial, I know it's got a better bracelet and I know it's got a better movement BUT it still (to me) looks like a SARB035. And I'm not a watch novice. I have vintage and modern Omega, Rolex and Longines, plus others.
By your theory. I should just buy a fake Rolex because it looks the same. I mean it's just like the real thing except it has a different movement, better dial and better bracelet. I get the impression your the type of person who buys a watch to impress others and to name drop.
I agree: as well as almost any so-called "premium" watch. I think that there is a whole lot of hype with almost any expensive watch. A watch doesn't have to be that costly to be super-precise and beautiful.
Over priced? Their watches which go against some Rolex models are less expensive better made and the movement is just so far ahead of it. And GS really isn't over hyped, but Rolex and etc. For sure are.
I would like to see GS release thinner movements inside thinner watches. In general I find their current collection too bulky. Also the GS clasps are okay, but far behind the competition, most would like better than okay at this price. Other than that, the case finishing, the dials and hand sets, the quality of movements, the craftsmanship is well above the price point.
The Grand Seiko has a very Japanese character. Calm, reserved, unpretentious, tidy, reliable.
Grand Seiko underpromises and overdelivers. Spring Drive for the win!!!)))
Sergey Berlin gotta love seiko at all price points, they underpromise and over deliver from $50 to $50,000!
Anyone else think that many Rolex guys who dismiss the spring drive would be praising it if Rolex invented it?
100% Rolex guy’s are intimidated by GS. You see it in their comments, they don’t make sense.
It’s the same bs as people bragging about their football team is better than yours. Unless you are on the team you have no right to brag about it. Unless you helped design a Lexus you can’t say it’s better than another car because you just simply bought it. Where is the skill in that. Anyone can buy anything
Sadly the whole Rolex thing gets up my nose. There is barely a watch in their collection that I even like. The new coloured Prepetual I think they are, are nicely made with great colours. Then they ruined it by putting that stupid jester hat in place of the 12 o'clock hour marker. ... The datejust is OK too.
The rest of Rolex is overopulence for the sake of charging a fortune.
yup. I have a daytona and a gmt master.... but my GS cherry blossom gets more wrist time simply because I love the movement and dial. I always have peopel asking me why I don't wear the rolex' since they are "superior"... it's so weird.
Now that you explained the terminology and some fundamental traits and features of Grand Seiko, take your camera and walk us through Seiko Butique in Melbourne !
I agree with Throwmeabone. Spring Drive is really something special. If you want a quartz level of accuracy, but you don't want a quartz watch, Spring Drive is your only option. I respect a well-made automatic, but that is arguably old technology. The most accurate Swiss automatic watch that I know of, Rolex, doesn't have a movement that even comes close to Spring Drive in regards to accuracy. I would also say that no watch company can compare with GS's dials, and the detailed attention devoted to GS's hands, markers, and case is unparalleled.
Mmmm. I am on that exact fence right now. I know spring drive *is* a mechanical movement, hand-built with soul and all that. Respect. But I'm still drawn to fully mechanical. If the SBGA413 "Spring", with the pink dial, were an automatic, I'd just be all over that.
Aren't superlative chronometers accurate to -1 to +1 sec per day?
Helpful video, but you forgot SBGR.
In my mind, you have to handle a Grand Seiko to appreciate them. I find them pretty boring in pictures, but recently tried a silver dial SBGR299 and it dances under light like you can’t believe. And the weight of the case and bracelet are perfect. And the blue second hand...I’m definitely adding one to the collection.
Great video!
Truly explained a lot of questions I never had the courage or thought to ask.
Thanks Felix!
5:12 I love that strap, and how the watch looks.
Cheers. Personally speaking, the GS aesthetic really hits the mark for me, and I'm presently close to pulling the trigger. While I now know most of the info you provided, it took me a lot longer to piece it together than it took to watch this video, which is very useful and I wish I'd come across it sooner. Highly recommended.
Good video but your explanation of Spring Drive really did not do it justice
He literally said that they made a video on it, so he kept it extremely summed up.
Would love to have GS one day. My friends live in Tokyo, will start saving money for that purchase when I visit the buddies....
Good luck on your journey buddy. Saving here myself. Long way to go!
That would be awesome to video that purchase! Make sure you shoot and post it
I love Grand Seiko very much!
I just got my spring drive and it is stunning
I would love to know about Credor's history prior to brand repositioning, the good the bad and the ugly. Also it would be neat to get a sneak peak to see what they have planned for the future.
Credor is a sick watch you compare that with Patek.
You can get older credors for crazy cheap prices on the pre owned market. They make some absolutely hideous watches too in my opinion. A few beautiful new ones out their but for me, 95% of the credors I've seen are as ugly as crocs on a man.
@@FatSamEIE But a Credor will be the cheapest Philippe Dufour you can find, or be able to buy even if you had the money...
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I really love the Grand Seiko spring drive blue dial.
time and tideee the australian watch authoritaaay
Watch Addiction Watch Reviews they really need to lose that intro. “IN A WORLD...”
@@MrAristaeus “IN A WORLD...” ..where watch reviewers battle weight problems...and shirt buttons can barely survive...
Watch Addiction Watch Reviews *Austrayan!
i secretly love GS, just can't pull the trigger on actually buying one. this is cool and should be done with other companies. thx felix! 👍
Whichever way it goes, you should follow your instincts.
Superbly explained!
you are amazing at explaining, i enjoy hearing you so much, amazing
Great video, everyone with an interest in watches should see this. Also love that Sofa.
Just get the quartz 9F. Its fantastic in its own right and much cheaper to own and run it. Oh and so accurate, + - 10 sec a year is a conservative estimate, seen one lose 1 second in 7 months
Grand Seiko make a quartz watch that is accurate to one second a year.
Grand Seikos r easily one of the most beautiful watches.... I wish i had the money to buy them
R is for Automatic Date Watch
Thank you, love your videos!
Can someone explain me whats the difference with a high beat.
Love Grand Seiko snowflake, real beauty.😘
Seiko did a great job , nice watch
finally know what the reference letters are! sbg_
Would like to hear a comparison between GS Spring Drive and GS High Beat. Specifically, maintenance/serviceability and longevity. I agree, Seiko/GS need to assign "NAMES" to their watches; it would help sales.
Outback Dave sources?
Fiat justitia ruat cælum The spring drive from an engineering standpoint should be nearly indestructible. No balance wheel which could break less friction in the system and the quartz components are assembly similar to there GS quartz watches which are pretty bullet prove. So 20 years without an service isn't that unrealistic.
When you want a GS, I would recommend always get the Spring Drive. It's the unique movement which defines Seiko.
If you want a mechanical watch- there are plentiful others, And you obviously don't want a luxury battery powered Quartz.
But if you want a quartz - that is not battery powered but powered by your wrist, behold the one and only Spring Drive. There aren't any othet brand who does this. And GrandSeiko not only does it but have perfected it. It's really an art - since it is not battery powered and rather powered by the main spring, the tolerance of voltage, capacitance and current are in absolute low threshold, probably at mcroAmpere and microFarad range(I don't exactly know since Seiko don't publish it). Its tolerance are so damn critically controlled that it is the king of any digital chips. It's truly an art that marries the traditional matchmaking with the modern timekeeping oscillators that revolutionized the last century.
If you want a Grand Seiko , get one Spring Drive for sure and then think about others.....
They cost about the same money for maintenance. The problem is, not all country has certified watchmaker for servicing Springdrive. So you must shipped the watch back to Japan. Which is better, because case polishing already included in service package. And the best man for the job are no other than the Japanese itself.
@@debendragurung3033 The spring drive movement is mechanical movement that uses a quartz oscillator curcuit to regulate the speed of the drive gear that's being turned by the power from the mainspring through magnetic braking. It works nothing like a regular quartz watch. The spring drive module basically replaces the hairspring escapement on a more traditional mechanical watch. Aside from the neat sweep seconds hand, it also means watches that use it are extramely resistant to shock and magnetic fields. They are mechanical watches though. As you mentioned, the amount of electrical energy that makes the system work is incredibly small and part of the reason it took two decades of R&D.
Would love to own the Grand Seiko seen over at 4:35 in the vid. It is incredibly beautiful, but I guess I'll have to settle with Rolex my dad passed down to me for now. As a fan of Rolex and Omega, GS do make better watches but they have lower brand equity.
Missed opportunity showing so many non-wound watches. Would have been nice to see the second hand movement.
I think that there is a whole lot of hype with almost any expensive watch.
A watch doesn't have to be that costly to be super-precise and beautiful.
It dosn't so just buy any quartz then...people buy it for the brand, craftmanship etc.
Vanity...
There’s a rep for a fraction money of the genuine article. Looks at least 90% similar.
make a video about credor!
ref# for the watch at 2:13 anyone? thanks in advance
SBGR311
GS is more than swiss
Seiko 5 Legendery watch
Turn on the subtitles.
Another word that you will hear a lot in grand Seiko circles is “rat soup”
Hahahah shush thats for the inner circles to know only!!
You done a great job it was a terrible shame about her silly music
In your experience, how is the Snowflake’s mirror polished bezel holding up to scratches?
FatPanda I have the SBGA 001G. Far less scratches than my Rolex Milgauss has. The snowflake is titanium though so may well scratch more.
I love my Grand Seiko but it's up for sale on eBay. It's a limited edition SBGV027 with an amazing, rare red dial. I'll be sorry to part with it.
The Snowflake is too light for my liking. Prefer a watch with some heft.
I love the snowflake!
Spring Drive is more superb then any swiss made mechanizm.
PP would beg to differ.
@@Jabber-ig3iw really? What did they do recently?
Snowflake my new grail
Grand Seiko 9s85 accuracy is actually worse than Rolex’s superlative chronometer at +2/-2 per day. However we must understand that this iteration of the GS movement (9s) was introduced back in 1998. I suspect the next iteration of GS movement will have free sprung balance wheel with eccentric adjustable nodes.
I own both GS and Rolex and I’m sorry, apart from the dial the Rolex is better in all other areas especially the bracelet.
AFAIK the next generation of GS mech movement is in developement phase so I suggest you guys not to put the trigger too soon
Grand Seiko make beautiful watches. Their bracelets? Absolute rubbish.
Thats kinda what you have expect from Seiko great movements, great quality, great watches but not so good bracelets.
I think I could agree that a lot of their bracelets are not at the same standards of their watches but I would not call them absolute rubbish. I can't think of a GS bracelet that's worse than a pre2000s Rolex bracelet.
so high level of finishing ha?
The background music ruins it.
ruclips.net/video/yfhhxC1VHDA/видео.html whats the model ?
SBGV238 found it :D
Grand Seiko is the Rolex killer.
And the Baby gran Seiko?
Which one do you mean, Sarx055 or Sarb033?
Primoz Korenc I don't know. That's why I am asking. Thanks
A stupid fan-made nickname to try to bring higher interest to watches that are not Grand Seiko, but are still really nice watches at their much lower price point.
Dave C Not such a stupid name, it kinda fits the look.
it is called baby snowflake
Rolex now, goes off hype. Grand Seiko has always gone off innovation and quality.
Nice watch...but I wouldn't buy it with my own money... !
Ahmed Attar If I had the money it would be hard to decide between the Omega Speedmaster Apollo-Soyuz or the SBGA229.
Pointless video. Nobody was ever afraid to ask any of the things you talked about.
Spring drive is the most pointless technology. For what? Might as well use a Quartz's movement and sell cheaper. Grand Seiko, just like Rolex, stupid brands that are over hyped and over priced.😞
And how far down the rabbit whole do you want to fo with what is overpriced and pointless? Have a ftiend with quite the collection. To name a few heavy hitters like iwc protugieser grande complication, lange zietwerk and a crap ton of other spectacular pieces. Looking at these up close i really dont see why theyre priced the way they are. Talk about pointless...you can just buy apple watch that is alot more accurate no? Youre totally missing the point if you think spring drive is pointless. Take your depressing ass elsewhere my man. Dont need guys like you around talking this hatred for no justifiable reason.
Rolex btw i do agree they are overhyped and overpriced. Still they make good watches cant hate on that bit. But they could def use a price adjustment.
You dont have a battery so you dont need to change it and it cant end up ruining your movement, also you get some of the charm from a automatic with some of the upsides from a quarts. Furthermore its some cool tech and the sweep of the second hand is appealing. And they do have many of their models for cheaper with quartsz so your choice. I agree that wathces might be overpriced and to some extend stupid but i still think you get more bang for your buck from GS over Rolex.
Non! Seiko and Grand Seiko are the same brand i.e. "corporation" but different lines, saying anything else is just ludicrous. The SEIKO "5"'s are the best thing before GS because they're not as ugly looking as Seiko mid-tiers.
I agree. If you want the best value in a mechanical, lower end watch, get a Seiko 5. If you want the best value in a high-end watch, get a GS Spring Drive.
@@elliottaxinn7132: I'd go with their best mechanical and automatics before I'd go with the SD's, but that is also because I resent the fact that they pulled their smooth moving quartz movements and that I don't see a SD's as GS, and that they're far overpriced, like a tourbillon etc. It's ludicrous for Seiko to make any sort of quartz piece and especially the SD as a GS considering just how SEIKO is so overly paranoid about their image. Seiko could really benefit from psycho analysis or something? LOL
Separate brands under the same umbrella. Seiko 5s are cheap and not great unless you are on a crazy low budget. Seiko sarb and seiko divers from the prospex range are amazing value and still relatively cheap- but much Much better than any seiko 5(including the skx)
@@tomasinacovell4293 you can get good automatics from various brands at good value and bad value but nobody else can make a springdrive, it's amazing technology, finishing and accuracy so not sure why you think it's overpriced? You can get a GS spring Drive for $2500 new if you look around- for me that's incredible good value and a great watch
@@FatSamEIE You're not even listening, shut your fucking mouth! ):
I know they're well made and have lovely dials but they all look the bloody same to me whether they're £100 or £5,000. Bit bland and boring looking. All the hundreds of different style watches that SEIKO make give Grand Seiko a bad name.
jharris947 did you watch the video..? Lol how can you begin to say that look the same when you take a very general comparison to other brands of the 5k-10k calibre? Complete variety of models, colours are outrageously diverse too.. variety would be the least critical point of GS's.
That perception changes once you wear one.
Of course I watched the video. Or was that a rhetorical question? Recently I wanted to buy another watch and decided to have a look at SEIKO. I looked at SARB/SARX/SARY/SARG/GS. That was when I realised that, to me, they all looked similar (not talking about diver's watches) and a bit bland looking. I couldn't see anything special about any them that would make me want to own a SEIKO. Sorry, but there was no WOW! factor for me. 0:41 Take away the power reserve indicator and it looks like a SARB035, which cost £300. I know it's got a better dial, I know it's got a better bracelet and I know it's got a better movement BUT it still (to me) looks like a SARB035. And I'm not a watch novice. I have vintage and modern Omega, Rolex and Longines, plus others.
By your theory. I should just buy a fake Rolex because it looks the same. I mean it's just like the real thing except it has a different movement, better dial and better bracelet.
I get the impression your the type of person who buys a watch to impress others and to name drop.
Phillip Leong good point
Grand Seiko is over hyped and over priced. It is a stupid brand.
Sb Sb u mean a Rolex?
I agree: as well as almost any so-called "premium" watch.
I think that there is a whole lot of hype with almost any expensive watch. A watch doesn't have to be that costly to be super-precise and beautiful.
Over priced? Their watches which go against some Rolex models are less expensive better made and the movement is just so far ahead of it. And GS really isn't over hyped, but Rolex and etc. For sure are.
I would like to see GS release thinner movements inside thinner watches. In general I find their current collection too bulky. Also the GS clasps are okay, but far behind the competition, most would like better than okay at this price. Other than that, the case finishing, the dials and hand sets, the quality of movements, the craftsmanship is well above the price point.
lol u'r stupid