China’s Comac Aims to Rival Boeing and Airbus in the World’s Biggest Market | WSJ
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2021
- As the pandemic continues to weigh on the aviation industry, Chinese aircraft manufacturer Comac has been pushing ahead with testing a new passenger jet. If successful, the C919 could rival Boeing and Airbus in the largest aviation market in the world. Photo illustration: Sharon Shi
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"forced technology transfers"
US companies agree to share their technologies in order to gain access to the Chinese market. Seems like a voluntary transfer to me.
Hey this isn’t wendover productions.
No. It's Wechovia Street Junkyard
Kinda sucks lately
I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once ❤😂🎉@@yanikkunitsin1466
Of course when you start you have to depend on someone. Then many years later, you'll be your own boss. That's real life.
Very true
Now I need to learn the language for Business.
exactly, American industries were dependent on captured German engineers and scientists
@@sakasaruuni101 Yes, they think the rest of the world believe their lies, especially the naive ones.
Yep it happened with Japan and now it is with China.
China is gonna be a game changer in terms of competition pricing and innovation in aviation markets monopolized by Boeing & Airbus.
they will fail in safety
It's the average individual that will benefit the most.
It’ll be like any Russian made planes. Only a handful of airlines may get it. I’d rather buy a well known trusted Airbus than a copy of it
@@enso8289 It is your right to buy or not to buy, but it is not up to you to decide whether to build or not.
@@weeshuggie228 my india doesnt have toilet
A airbus
B boeing
C comac
Was this done on purpose 🤔
If Comac manages to compete with Airbus and Boeing, it’s safe to call them the ABCs of commercial aviation xddd
There would be D Probably 🤔.
DI Probably (Dirgantara Indonesia).
@@antarctic6182 why is boeing still up there?
@Hoy Sum DJI
Russia should rename their company to start with the letter D
Maybe Dmitry or something lol
Ironicaly the first Boeing engineer who designed Boeing first mass produced, the legendary model C, was Wong Tsu, born in Beijing in 1893. You can see his biography in Museum of Flight in USA
Not long ago, western countries and Japan put fairly strict restrictions on export of consumer drones to China. Now one Chinese company DJI sells more than 70% of the consumer drones in the world. Sometimes, it is the mindset. I don’t believe that any big nation cannot overcome any technical difficulties. This is especially true for countries like USA and China. The only possible thing that can block a big country to move forward is itself. Outside containment and resistance can only make a country stronger. Don’t even think that Washington doesn’t know this. The game is largely played by big cooperations. We who have the power of voting are only the onlookers. Cheers!
Everyone gangsta until the emergency checklist book is in Chinese
Or the morons at Boeing haven't included anything at all about the MCAS system flying your plane into the ground?
Lol
Trump has already blocked the sale of engines their planes need. As long as Biden doesn't remove the ban the planes aren't going anywhere. Most likely won't need to worry about emergency checklist for a plane that can't fly.
@@andrewallen9993 Any 737 pilot is supposed to know how to deactivate the electric trim.
@@steinarnielsen8954 Yes, that's in the manual.
Unfortunately there was absolutely nothing about MCAS in the manual and that's the problem.
Boeing's 100-year experience came up with a plane that flies itself to the ground. It's all about engineering and quality assurance.
Damned right!
But it will still ultimately sell better than the 919
@@DontUputThatEvilOnMe Give it 5 years and see. China, which happens to be the largest airplane market, has already stopped buying Boeing.
@@freespeech8520 The 919 is not very fuel efficient compared to the 320neo and 737max. Fuel efficiency is the is most important factor when airlines buy planes. The only reason the 919 will be competitive in China is out of national pride. And the only reason china isn’t buy Boeing planes is politics at this point not because of safety reason or anything else.
@@DontUputThatEvilOnMe Are you forgetting Boeing 737 Max crash? Very few airlines are buying Boeing nowadays. Do you have facts about C919 fuel efficiency or are you speaking out of your biased mind? C919 uses aluminum alloys, which make it lighter, and GE engines.
Comac: hello
Component suppliers: always happy to see more players
Boeing and Airbus: this world is not even big enough for both of us.
Sukoi, Ilyushin, etc...... : we are still alive ......
Market: let's wait and see ......
A decade is a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things.
that's what I thought. 2030 and 2040 isn't a long time in grand scheme of things.
It's always better if there is more competition.
it makes everything better
Competition yes ! Stealing no
makes better plane and cheaper plane that will cause cheaper tickets lol
@@Argus-ut8gi CCP steal and kill
@@vietcongbuondanbannuocphan1791 who's stealing? vietnamese?
It’s not “forced” if it’s negotiated. No one is forcing anyone.
Regardless of what's people's think of, Chinese determination are here to stay.
Wait... I thought this is wendover productions
"undermine US business" what happened
to all the competition ?
thats part of competition, you keep company secrets from the competitors.
you don't compete by spending billions and decades on RnD just to give it to the competition,
like what happens in the tech, IT, ... industries.
You didn't get the message did you. Forced technology transfers are not fair competition.
Lol u so uneducated...how is Chinese gov funding these companies and forcing technology transfer fair? You a sheep clown ?
@@RM-el3gw Nobody put a gun to their head to force them to sign the transfer contract
@@RM-el3gw Why is it not fair? If you don't want to transfer technology just don't come to China. Simple. NO one is forcing you to do business in Chinese market.
About time, there is a market for more 2 aviation companies in the world.
"Boeing the safest plane manufacturer"~WSJ
They are.
Boeing 737 max has entered the chat
@@repalleteja Over all Boeing does make the best planes only that model came out with flaws but since then has been fixed.....
@@repalleteja people can sue Boeing for mistakes, try suing Chinese government 😂😂
"I am not going, if it's Boeing"
I see sanctions on the horizon.
I don't see big sanctions. The plane has a lot of parts from America. Sanctioning it would be sanctioning yourself. This is entirely by design.
@@zoka7108 lol thats what trump did with his entire sanctions, american lost a lot of jobs
Where do you live Sir?
If sanctions come, Boeing will Never be able to sell anything in China,
737 MAX will be NEVER able to land in China ever.
So good luck with that
@@hifivingstarfish6885 US companies in China sold about USD 550 billiion worth of made in China products . That's a number the US chamber of comnerce provided in 2019.
Someone should tell Scott about his AirPods 😂
Please tell him
@@uprantparajuli1834 Scott who?
@@dicky-duck6632 Scott Morrison 😂
lol
China is big buyer of planes , they will buy mostly made by China planes
And then they go on sale cheaper than Boeing or Douglas............
@Iamthe God ha ha ha boeing 373 max
But Air China fleet consists of Boeing and Airbus, for now.
@@andriadipura6393 their boeing n airbus will be scarped after 10 years , or reselled to other countries before 10 years
@@andriadipura6393 Their buying more Airbus than Boeing, because Airbus has a factory in China.
Best of luck to Irkut and Comac✌.
1:55 'there is a reason to save a great deal of money' exactly
Most commercial aircrafts now flying are based on 10 -20 yrs technologies. The softwares used are more recent as aircrafts n their engines
catch up with the latests in digital improvements. Boeing has shown through mismanagements of softwares etc , its 737Max was a huge
failure n the plane had to be laid off for 2 yrs. Comac C919 has had v rigorous tests for several yrs. It'll probably end up as successfull as
the Chinese bullet trains.
And Chinese made cars outperform in quality against US made cars.
That's if nations still allow the transfer of tech, like they did in the 1990's with bullet train technology. Boeing really messed up with their software, but I wouldn't compare them to Comac, an aviation company who cannot even make the core components necessary to make a plane fly.
@@ktr1837 China already built its own non-commercial jet planes n engines. It buys talents n has many well trained engineers/scientists not only to reverse engineer but to do advanced applied research.
Boeing is like state-owned on all aspects, the US government just calls it private
the problem is the USA, its politics every day and every politician is trying to figure how to save their job, china is thinking ahead and can have ten-year plans, even 20.
Then how come life in the US is so much better overall?
@@RM-el3gw For Who? Whites ?Blacks? Brown? Yellow?
@@vorlon81 only for whites....
中國加油！🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 C919 加油！
Just read that China delayed the order of 100 jets from Boeing and Air bus, but kept order of jets from Comac
I just read the US is ordering 5G networking gear, and Huawei (the world leader) was not asked to bid?
@@leahcasey2678 Not just a ban. US is persuading other coutries to ban Huawei. Im pretty sure that Boeing will be eventually kicked out of Chinese market.
@@xuchen4012 China is really work back on getting isolated , that’s fine though
@@bestintentions6089 I still remember that some people like you said "global companies are leaving China". But China actually received the most foreign investment in 2020. Now you told me China is getting isolated. OKay, let's wait and see.
@@xuchen4012 except for ant financial, we know what happens to those investments 😆
Something to keep a longterm eye on!
How many times have the US been mistaken about China. I am sure that the Chines aviation industry will be faster then a decade away from been self sufficient
10 years is a very short timeframe for countries and companies.
I guy who can't use his Airpods properly is an expert on Jetliners? Are you kidding me, Wachovia Street Junkyard?
@@ahsokaincognito 😂😂 he's an expert on slant narratives. That's what complicated
When the Chinese were denied access to the Int space station what happened?
Tiangong happened.
China continue to march forward despite the pull back by the jealousy and anti-China sentiments. Stop the taunts but cooperate so the whole world can develop and enjoy better life.
"Stop the taunts but cooperate so the whole world can develop and enjoy better life." yeah thats why the chinese kept the world in the dark about corona
Watch your back Wall Street journal Wendover production is coming for you
Is that the 787s wings and the a220s body on one plane ?
Can’t call the product unsafe anymore because, well 🤣
Or even better put into concentration camps
*... because the "Fly Coffin" Max already took the crown*
Pretty make something worse than 737 max
Well it shouldn't be too hard for them to make a higher quality aircraft than Boeing with a computer system that wont fly it into the ground but beating Airbus will be pretty difficult.
But it’s core components such the jet turbine engine, is still either made by British Rolls Royce, or USA General Electric or Pratt & Whitney.
CFM
The day China can build commercial airplane engine, is the day the duopoly end.
@@feng443 that will take decades, and even more decades for people to want to even board a chinese plane...
There will be a non-western alternative soon.. Comac will be able to install on their C919 planes the new Russian engine “Aviadvigatel PD-14” when it is fully developed in a couple of years!!
Will the altimeters be set to meters? :D
US investors and economists: chinese companies need to PROVE THEMSELVES
Non-chinese zombie ESG startup: we can build a car that runs on carbon it captures from the air and other cars, it will cost a quarter and you can 3d print it. It's just a sketch on a napkin for now, but we got a cool website and a 100 billion series D.
US investors: TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!!!
Good, let's make it a triopoly
Safety rating -3 stars
@@mck1513 Yeah for Boeing 737 Max
I think the plane will sell well in China. China will soon be the largest avaition market. The C919 is also a great plane and could be seen in Europe and the Americas in a few years. The c919 is fuel efficient and it has a cheap list price. The only issue is that the c919 is unproven. For example Airbus couldn’t sell planes in the United States for a few years. Airbus ended up allowing Easteren Airlines to use 4 prototype a300s for 6 months at no cost to prove the plane. The avaition industry is a challenging industry to enter in every way.
This is one of the few level headed comments I've seen in this thread.
Some say the aircraft use tape instead of screw
need to ask the kind of aircraft before i flight....
When your computer crash, you get it repair or get a new one. But when your plane crashed you will die.
i like the part that you cite the source
How can China go to space ,but can't produce it's own airplane engines and parts?
Most rockets are disposable, and the engine only needs to be able to work for a few minutes. Aircraft engines need to work for decades. Building a civilian airplane is much more difficult than going to space.
@@Hexane-gm3jh I see ...but if they can land stuff on the moon ,surly they can build jet engines i mean technology is there
China's "ChangJiang 1000" engine is set to be certified if the American blocked the GE leap1c,the other alternative would be R&R's 2 shaft or even better 3 shaft engines.Chinese market is huge,c919 will fill the domestic market orders first for next decade then central Asia and Africa,highly unlikely you would see in EU or N.American market.
Comac chose to use American made engines so that they would be more appealing to airlines from western countries.
@@danielchacon1098 If Boeing and Airbus are still operating in ten to twenty years which is highly unlikely C-919 can penetrate the West market.But the domestic market needs 7000 short range new planes next two decades which is good for C-919.Rolls Royce is facing bankruptcy may seek 50/50 partnership with China.
These guys are so intelligent, none of the world can catchup with them!!
Communists still have a long way to go just to reach the start line. Just look at all the chest puffing when they built their first aircraft carrier, Japan built their first carrier almost one hundred years ago. The rest of the world is not sitting still when it comes to technology advancement!.....
After it entered service for ten years, then I will review its safety record to decide whether I should ride one myself.
i could say the same thing for 737Max.. could you?
Undermine Who? Serious Competitor
Oops
Alternative title:
China wants to make a plane to sell to themselves
They probably would still make a fortune.
China's market will soon be the bigger than the rest of the world combined for planes.
"If you'll not let them buy, they'll make them."
The more the merrier. The world air transport cannot be monopolies by these two companies.
This is good news. We should have more competition in the aviation market. I would fly on one.
Looks beautiful
This a tough business to get in and only Airbus and Boeing manufacture large commercial jets. A commercial jet conducts numerous flights, so it has to be reliable far more than a rocket in space or a fighter jet in which there might be one pilot who might be able to eject. Passengers in a commercial jet can't eject or use parachutes when there is trouble.
It's not about the plane....it's about how cheap a deal it can be....and how much money it burns while landing
Wait this is not allowed sanctions button activated!
That's exactly why China is developing its own things all of a sudden.
western sanction
US is banning Comac. I guess Comac should focus on EU suppliers.
this comment will probably not age well
What happened to Mitsubishi MRJ?
Americans don't like the smaller airplane to fly away from their control .Japan is supposed to be a follower of the big brother .
Misinformed video. Comac uses mostly imported components because aviation is a highly regulated industry. So in order to get FAA approval, you can only use American parts which are already approved.
China has a military aviation program. They could easily build 95% of all the components used in the plane. The only thing they can't successfully build right now is the engines. But that could change as well, since they are working on developing the CJ1000 engine which is roughly equivalent to the LEAP.
I just hope it’s not like the 737 max
@Yashvardhan Poddar Boeing’s headquarters are in Chicago.
Lee Kuan yu talked about this ... it’s becoming true
Do u know who helping china to build their own aircrafts? It's the Western people themselves, China always look for skilled manpower, aerospace engineers in the West and they are hiring them in large numbers, like old unemployed engineers from eastern europe, Russia and even place like, Canada, Germany. They are recruiting those people , and those people are going to help them to create aircraft manufacturing ecosystem. That way they will catch up with West very soon. They have been doing this for at least 20 years.
Its the world's biggest short haul market not the biggest of them all in terms of long haul
***Came here for the comments. Not disappointed 😂***
It's China's first plane... give it a break... We cannot expecting Toyota reliability but let's hope it is better than GM or and the safety better than the world famous 737 Max "Fly ⚰️"
well that is just dumb. if your toyota pickup chokes up you can park it at a sidewalk not the same with an airliner. submit yourself to be a test passenger of these planes.
@@juliosunga3530 tell that to Boeing.
@@adityapatel9735 I hope u know that without boring and Airbus the comac won’t even exist.
This plane is the result of know how transfer of Boeing and Airbus to China.
@@johanhirte9661 and I hope u know that if usa didn't kidnap german and Japanese scientists after ww2 and force them to make advanced planes at gun point, boeing won't be making any planes.
@@adityapatel9735
I am from Germany. I know that.
But that still doesn’t change the fact, that China needed the Americans and Europeans for this plane and still needs them.
I hope u also know that if the Americans wouldn’t have been keeping the Japanese busy in the ocean the war in China a would have been going even worse for China.
America helped China in many cases.
They can't train pilots in their country.
Why?
More competition is good for consumer
Soooo.... Airbus ist building some stuff in China and some years later a similar looking plane is presented. Interesting.
It takes decades to develop an airplane industry, not "some years". Stop the nonsense.
Boeing is such a scummy company, people should read about what they did to bombardier
reason why CS100/300 became airbus A220
Plane is complicated to make.. By now, it doesn't head down, that's mean it is safe to fly by any standard.
A - Airbus
B - Boeing
C - Comac
E - Embraer
F - Fokker
I think D is missing. 🤖🤦♂️
Any government/ company is ready to working on D? 🙏
Dassault
Normally, I’d be wary of flying in a Chinese made anything but after the 787 Max crashes...I’ll trust a teapot to fly me around the world.
737*
@@RM-el3gw You’re right. Sorry.
Nop.. The comac 919 is a nice plane.. Don't compare it with the flying coffin 😂😂
Too much propaganda. No need to be wary. Those in the know are optimistic about Chinese airplane technology. Of course, even the much-touted ‘best’ can falter-Boeing, Airbus, other smaller manufacturers have all suffered breakdowns and crashes. No machine is or can be infallible
Can I order one off of AliExpress (for like $15.29 plus $6.20 shipping)?
No, it is far expensive than, cow dung airplane that I once mistookly bought in Endia.
Wait till 11 November shopping festival.. you can pre-order 2 pcs for just $26.99.
they'll send you a picture of it for that money.
whats next: fusion power, quantum computer, chipmaking
China should buy and disassemble the latest Boeing and Airbus planes to analyze the components
Nothing wrong in it, Till west was Winning everything was fair, when east Start winning things start becaming unethical practices.
You yourself mentioned the problem, their focus is competing with the western plane companies and not building a better plane plus you know why china is mocked their focus is on saving money by making cheap products imagined if they did the same to planes
@@randomstuff5562 1:55 'there is a reason to save a great deal of money' exactly
@@randomstuff5562 They make cheap and expensive products. I'm sure most people go for the cheaper ones because they can only afford those.
@@morbid747 cheaper for a TV is alright but cheaper for an airliner? Good luck
Me no fly Boeing 737 MAX , even when air fares are free-of-charge . Cannot trust company and regulators .
Ok Chinese bot
Wow, wendover productions looks a little bit different these days
Even airbus regretted developing 380
This is basically the playbook of trying to overcome so-called "systemic racism." Because of European colonialism, China went from the top to the very bottom. Despite racism, will they overcome? Probably not, with all the problems they have like brain drain, corporate debt bubble, aging population, etc. Anyways you miss any shot that you don't take, so might as well try.
Well done. China.
19, Really?
Because let's pretend like the only potential players are the US, Europe and China 🙄
Boeing 100+ year of experience = 737 grounded for over a year 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
China bot?
@@mercedbread9045 yeah...no info except a long list of provocative comments
Not alert 🚨
@@mercedbread9045 *Fly ⚰️*
@@mikeparker2486 i've flown on Boeings and Airbuses all my life. Can't say the same for COMAC planes
Theres a need for some serious complication in aviation or else boeing would turn more scummy with their worst safety records
👍
Boeing is the best plane manufacturer
@@Student0Toucher Boeing, because the 737MAX is grounded in many countries, has lost a lot of money! Let Airbus take a big advantage
@@user-jc2wc9nu3e Boeing already fixed the problem that Boeing 737s had, learn..... soon they will start being in the skies again.
@@Student0Toucher 👏👏👏
I hope one day to see C919 planes flying with the new Russian engine “Aviadvigatel PD-14” when it is fully developed
is it better than tupolev and sukhoi airliners?
no
@@radiousis49 Yes cause engine probably from same companies, I guess.
@@radiousis49 what about antonov?
I hate it when Jacobs and Trevor disagree. Now I don't know who to think is correct.
@@toddabowden then you ride boeing 737 max
It's very hard to make a plane worse than Boeing, aka flying coffins
China 🇨🇳: 90%Work,10%Talk.
India 🇮🇳: 90%Talk,10%Work.
Agree or Not??
Not agree,
china is 95% work, 4% planning, 1% talk
india 100% talk
Boeing shouldn’t be worried! These guys are not ready.
Like everything else, whatever the Chinese set their mind on achieving, they will succeed.
All u have to do is to put Hunter on the board.....
Boeing 737MAX because of safety incidents, now the global grounding, a market more competitors, the final benefit or ordinary consumers, because the market is oligopoly, it means profiteering
But that might onetime-use
70 Billion Dollars with purchasing power and cost of living plus the cheaper resources is equivalent to 300 in European terms!
737 max welcomes
⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️
You mean the flying coffin😂😂😂
Be careful what you are saying there "mister expert" Indonesia and Africans countries are really hating on Boeing. Might choose C919 Over boeing.
For indonesian airline i think they choose an airbus 320 instead of c919 if the "anti boeing" sentiment is true
@@muhammadrifkyramadhan5611 Idk plane company in Indonesia are losing money.. if C919 i appears to be cheaper Indonesia may just buy that..
Passenger jet is still easier to make than space station. Making such jets to compete with A and B is just the 3rd tier priority for China. Today's China has actually more technical choices than US does. For people familiar with physics labs the world has entered into a technology bottleneck since 1960s, i.e. no real progress since then. Internet, mobile phone, quantum, nuclear fusion etc are in the phase of application development only. seriously nothing new. China is on the way taking all over and venture into no-man land soon mainly due to her unique ability in national cohesion and people's conscience and ability in science. For the rest of world just stay calm and stay tuned.
The CCP will be demanding all Chinese airlines buy them when built. Snuff out the competition when able.