Been binging your content! By the way, what happened to your Guinea Pig video? It is mentioned on the Splatterpunk one but I can't find it on your channel.
The moment Berger said "all artists" my antennae went up. I get twitchy when anyone says "all". Had he said "If we look at art as a conversation with previous artists, there seems to be a strongly conservative attitude making an appearance," no problem. I'm happy when other thinkers look through a restrictive lens and by doing so shed light on unseen currents in the culture (Mark Kurlansky looking at how fishermen drove much of the opening of North America, or how salt and food preservation altered the direction of European culture are two rather extreme examples. The books are Cod and Salt--pretty minimalist titles too). It's when you start with "all" that things go downhill. I provide an exception, you alter the theory. I provide another, you do it again. And eventually (at least quite often) the theory becomes so broadened and full of exceptions that the lens it provided becomes so blurry as to be pretty much useless. Yes, art is a conversation. But while humans seen compelled to create both art and conversations, I remain uncertain that one can encompass the other. Physicists have been trying to formulate a unified field theory for a century--human cultures for a heck of a lot longer. Haven't really had one stick yet. And I know this doesn't address the central focus of your video essay, that this is my thing more than yours. And I did enjoy being introduced to an artist I'd never heard of with a serious and solidly researched video. So an equally serious "thank you for this." Just that "all artists" thing set me off....
I understand your point. I myself am often reluctant to accept theories that look for grand narratives and homogeneous qualities, but I think, which that clip maybe didn't highlight the best, that Berger always follows the development idea. How one thing leads to the next, and even the exceptions to the rule are still a product of what came before them. Dialogue in that sense is a subconscious one. The art they see in children's books, the adverts on the side of a bus, all the imagery they see leads them to become the artist they are, even when they do not directly acknowledge it. But to boil that down to a catch all narrative does lessen the impact of that journey on a case by case basis. I Understand your view from that point. Thank you for a thoughtful response, I love seeing every point of view and what aspects of a piece like this resonates or ignites a response in people. Thank you for watching!
This was such an interesting video i was waiting for someone to do a vid about him... i would love 2 see ur opinion on the Japanese photography scene like the work of shomei tomatsu takashi hamaguchi rocco hanako and eikoh hosoe or even daido moriyama ...amazing vid l
@@tinmanakapetscop2guy85 ahh thank you! Yeah I’m surprised there is not many videos talking about him. I’m too familiar with the photography scene, I know a few of the ones you’ve mentioned, but it’s definitely something I can look into. Thank you so much for watching.
Always exited to see new vidoes from this channel!
It hrows you off to look up this artist and think hes dead or something, but to see he has an active instagram account
That's always a weird thing... I have always found it a bit dystopian. Thank you for watching though, I hope you like his work.
Ooh, The New Sound album art origin!!!
Ahh that's cool I never knew someone used it... Shame it doesn't come up when you google about Toshio. Thanks for pointing it out.
@@RobertEdwardsFilm its an amazing album, cant recommend it enough
@@oakoe188 Listened to it recently, what an amazing album! Thanks for putting it on my radar guys!
@@RobertEdwardsFilm It’s one of my favorites from this year, and Holy, Holy is probably my favorite song of the year
Been binging your content! By the way, what happened to your Guinea Pig video? It is mentioned on the Splatterpunk one but I can't find it on your channel.
@@theunbearablejuan thanks I’m glad you’re enjoying them, I had to take that down a while back for copy right reasons… annoying but it happens
The moment Berger said "all artists" my antennae went up. I get twitchy when anyone says "all". Had he said "If we look at art as a conversation with previous artists, there seems to be a strongly conservative attitude making an appearance," no problem. I'm happy when other thinkers look through a restrictive lens and by doing so shed light on unseen currents in the culture (Mark Kurlansky looking at how fishermen drove much of the opening of North America, or how salt and food preservation altered the direction of European culture are two rather extreme examples. The books are Cod and Salt--pretty minimalist titles too). It's when you start with "all" that things go downhill. I provide an exception, you alter the theory. I provide another, you do it again. And eventually (at least quite often) the theory becomes so broadened and full of exceptions that the lens it provided becomes so blurry as to be pretty much useless.
Yes, art is a conversation. But while humans seen compelled to create both art and conversations, I remain uncertain that one can encompass the other. Physicists have been trying to formulate a unified field theory for a century--human cultures for a heck of a lot longer. Haven't really had one stick yet.
And I know this doesn't address the central focus of your video essay, that this is my thing more than yours. And I did enjoy being introduced to an artist I'd never heard of with a serious and solidly researched video. So an equally serious "thank you for this." Just that "all artists" thing set me off....
I understand your point. I myself am often reluctant to accept theories that look for grand narratives and homogeneous qualities, but I think, which that clip maybe didn't highlight the best, that Berger always follows the development idea. How one thing leads to the next, and even the exceptions to the rule are still a product of what came before them. Dialogue in that sense is a subconscious one. The art they see in children's books, the adverts on the side of a bus, all the imagery they see leads them to become the artist they are, even when they do not directly acknowledge it. But to boil that down to a catch all narrative does lessen the impact of that journey on a case by case basis. I Understand your view from that point. Thank you for a thoughtful response, I love seeing every point of view and what aspects of a piece like this resonates or ignites a response in people. Thank you for watching!
@@RobertEdwardsFilm I take your point--I'll see about locating his book and giving him a read.
Another great video!
This was such an interesting video i was waiting for someone to do a vid about him... i would love 2 see ur opinion on the Japanese photography scene like the work of shomei tomatsu takashi hamaguchi rocco hanako and eikoh hosoe or even daido moriyama ...amazing vid l
@@tinmanakapetscop2guy85 ahh thank you! Yeah I’m surprised there is not many videos talking about him. I’m too familiar with the photography scene, I know a few of the ones you’ve mentioned, but it’s definitely something I can look into. Thank you so much for watching.
Toshio saeki is up there with suehiro maruo and nobuyoshi araki ❤️❤️
Without a doubt 🙏 thanks for always watching, you've been supporting the channel for a while now! Means a lot!