It honestly makes sense. 12 gauge is absolutely massive, and way oversized for a lot of applications. The only reason I chose it over the 20 is ammo availability
Pick target. Add feminine sounding male name. Water jug? Wally the water jug. Ceramic tile? Perry the plate. Jell-O mold? Jerry the Jell-O mold. Need a nemesis? Take the type of round and make the bad guy a similar sounding creature from the animal kingdom. Slug round? Big Boy Slugano. Wadcutters? Wadsworth the Walrus. Full metal jackets? Jimmy Jackal. Armor piercing? Andrew the Armadillo... Having the imagination of a child paired up with your standard shtick isn't terribly difficult.
About 35 years ago we had a suspect take a woman hostage. The female trooper that was dispatched to the domestic grabbed her 12 gauge 870 and chambered a slug. The suspect, holding the woman hostage, approached her cruiser at which time she proceeded to disintegrate his head removing it from his body permanently.
.50 cal has a much higher BC because it's solid. Foster slugs are mostly hollow so they can fly straight through a smooth bore. In theory a 12ga is a .72 caliber bullet, but from these tests you can see it crumples way easier than regular rifle or pistol rounds.
@@adabsurdum5905yeah, but you can use different slug designs too, especially if you have a rifled barrel. They make copper solids and other high penetration slugs.
The craziest thing I've ever seen while shooting: picture a 4'x'8' sheet of plywood framed with 2"x4"s around the perimeter. It was lying on its long edge, and I set an unopened beer (don't fret it was just Meister Bräu) on the top edge, on the 2"x4". I shot a 12 gauge Foster slug that hit the wood directly underneath the beer. The can jumped up a few inches did a 360 and landed back on the 2"x4", right side up.
I lived a couple of years in Ohio and purchased a 12 gauge slug gun to join the ranks of deer hunters while I lived there. I was surprised to find out the ALL the local guys (in my hunting circle) had hunted with 20 gauge slug guns their whole lives! Bigger is not always better.
12 is a better bird gun 20’s are dope with slugs less recoil and not as loud I use a mossberg 500a regular 12g Smooth barrel I use those rifled slugs 50 yard on a 8 inch gong easy Furthest I shot was a car radiator at 80 yards and was easily hitting that as well
Some Marine, somewhere: "Overkill is underrated". However, it is apparent from your testing that a 20ga is perfectly adequate for self defense. Oh, and for slugos, I recommend rock salt.
I think a lot of people see shotgun slugs as just massive bullets, but theyre hollow, so they penetrate way less than it would seem at first glance. Love the comparrison
@Steve-ev6vx exactly, seems people forget about rifled shotguns and sabot slugs. Sabots are usually quite a bit more expensive than rifled slugs, but when you find the right one for your barrel, you extend your range dramatically
Freaking awesome video!! I laughed my ass off and was blown away by the outcomes of your tests! I hope more people start recognizing how good your content is!
I had a buddy who had a Browning 16 gage as a kid to young man in the 60's and early 70's, unfortunately it was stolen. He loved that 16 ! Took a lot of game with it. He said it was the best of both 20 and 12 with proper loads for the situation.
My neighbor has an Ithaca 16ga that I have to say is a nice shooter. Pretty comfortable, lightweight, but relatively low recoil. Ammo is less common but not unobtainium.
@johnossendorf9979 so basically I'm saying a 20 Guage 3 inch going to be way superior to a 16 Guage. For the variety being able to shoot low price skeet loads up to 3 1/2 inch turkey load or slug out of a 12. The 12 is bar far the most versatile. Then even a 20 is superior to a 16.
@chrisstaples703 Makes sense in 2025 and I agree. Did it make the same sense in the 60's and 70's? I don't know but that is the time my buddy owned that 16. I own a Mossburg 500 12 gage.
I found my 20 gauge shoots like a dream with target loads, but kicks like it's 12 gauge brother with Buckshot. It's way easier to carry if you are walking around with it I would imagine.
@1:14 "Ooh! I shouldn't have picked that up in case it was hot." "Ooh, there's the other slug! [picks it up]" - I too experience ADHD at the range sometimes.
The family farm was stuck in a slug gun only zone for almost 50 years. 12 and 20 gauge both performed admirably when you actually hit something. 20 gauge was preferred for most of the family because it shot flatter and didn't beat you with recoil like the 12. Dad's old Ithaca 37 20 gauge is still my favorite to carry on a deer drive.
Hey dude! 👋😄 I would be real interested in seeing how different 12 gauge sabots would do against your barrier assortment and maybe even some 10 and 20 gauge sabots! 😏 Many thanks for both the knowledge and entertainment, cheers from across the pond in southern Sweden! 🇸🇪🙏😄
Ooh thank goodness I thought goosifer was back... The cardboard cutouts of evil animals have given reasons to carry multiple calibers for different thickness of steel barriers.
Love the video. I'd love to see a 16 gauge in this comparison. 16 gauge does more what a 12 gauge is capable of then a 20. It would be awesome to see a proper comparison for a 16 gauge. John Brownings favorite gauge by the way.
You hardly see 16g anything anymore. I can get 12,20 & 410 at my local grocery store and haven't seen 16 in years in in gun stores. It's a dieing caliber.
@JamesSmullins that's actually no longer true. 16 gauge is the 3rd most popular gauge, amongst millennials, and 28 gauge is the 3rd most popular for the boomer or older than 40 crowd. Both of those gauges have gotten revived since 2016, and ammunition is not actually hard to find anymore, same with firearms in 16 gauge. Most shotgun ammo manufacturers are pumping out a decent amount of 16 gauge loads, and most shotgun manufacturers making break action guns, generally offer a 16 gauge. Also, many old school 16 gauges are still on the market, like Ithaca Model 37s, which are amazing. Tristar has SxS, O/U and a semi-auto 16 gauge now. Browning makes 16 gauges on the regular, from the new Browning A5 Sweet Sixteens, to the BPS occasionally, to the Browning and Citori O/U shotguns in 16 gauge. It is by no means a dying gauge anymore. Many stores don't carry it on hand, because some areas have very few people if any asking. But if you ask, it will come. Trust me. My area had none, now has a boat load. Just because I and everyone else I have gotten into the Gentlemen's Gauge or Royal Bore. .410 is actually more of a dying gauge, significantly more expensive, and way harder to find, especially during ANY shortage. In Canada during hunting season, GOOD LUCK with .410 anything. For the last four years, .410 has been so uncommon in Canada, many have stopped getting into .410. Also, .410 is really only in Canada and the US does .410 have any favourability. Go anywhere else, and you will be looking into 28 gauge, or in other areas, 32 and 24 gauge, as .410 and 28 may not be popular. Like Eastern Europe or some South American countries.
@@Bitis11nasicornis I don't care about Canada and Europe, it's not popular here. The fact that I would have to ask them to order it tells you they don't sell enough to bother stocking it. I can get all kinds of 410 and 20g, no 16 and I don't know anyone who'd waste money on a 28g. Well except restrictive countries and I don't count them as mattering.
@@JamesSmullins it just speaks volumes of your ignorance. You don't care about anything but your bubble. Which means you likely know nothing of the shotgunners in your area? You know, the ones who reload all their own ammo, therefore, no demand in a store. Kinda happens when you were left without reliable or good ammo from the 70s to 2016. Also, if you live in the East, you are so restricted to what's common. In the West, everything is common place, because people have money. You would be surprised what people own or shoot, regardless of what is "popular" at your store. Especially since the invention of the internet. Makes it even more unlikely you just find it at stores. It's kinda cool, you can get ammo shipped to your home from the manufacturer. Go out there and explore beyond your bubble it would surprise you. FYI, America like Canada is the home of all shotgun gauges and bores. It always impresses me to see how many Canadian and Americans are shooting obscure to full on extinct cartridges.
I still think a 20ga is an incredible choice for home defense, less recoil, more rounds, expected ranges of 10-15 yards the damage output is completely fine/excellent, id love to get my hands one a suppressor for one. I just cant find a platform i feel is "perfect" in 20ga even though i have a few of them.
That's why it's important to try shouldering and swinging on a few birds, before buying a shotgun. For me, personally, the Beretta 20-gauge pump with 24" barrel and plastic furniture is the best-fitting shotgun I have handled, out of hundreds of shotguns; it's just too bad that it is embarrassingly ugly, because it's my choice to go with what will hit anything within its reach, every time. Make sure that, if you are going to need a paradox rifled choke tube or an extended extra-full choke tube, that you try it out. Those extra four inches don't distort balance the way a flashlight or other accessories do, but a 20 is so light that the change in balance can be noticeable (swing, less-so).
Saw a chart several years ago describing the lethality of different bullet projectiles. Their science favored low velocity, big bore, heavy projectiles over, high velocity, small bore, light projectiles. Foot/pounds were less meaningful, but momentum reigned. They put the bullet projectiles in different categories based on the size/type of animals they were recommended for. The categories were small game (squirrels, rabbits) medium size game (fox, bobcat, coyote), large game (deer, black bear, sheep, goats) extra large game (Elk, moose, caribou,) and dangerous game (Brown, Grizzly Bear, Lion, Leopard, etc.) The 12 gauge shotgun slug, based on its diameter, weight, and momentum potential, was considered adequately lethal for dangerous game out to 100 yards.
Glad to see the sand back! Just a suggestion, ever thought about going down in size to 5" or even 4", since almost nothing seems to make it through the 6"? Maybe use smaller boxes for pistol and larger for rifles. Would be nice to see some rounds make it through ever now and then. Thanks for videos!
20ga. has the same power, as far as fps goes, but less weight in all loads. I use 5/8 oz solid copper 20ga. slugs with my Savage single shot for whitetail hunting every year.
Federal has 12 gauge copper hst slugs. I've had to add a new rule to my range requiring that all projectiles be lead just to try and prevent damage to the steel backstop. 325 grains at 1,900 fps. Thing slaps like a wider 45-70
Man You NEVER Get Old!! Just Some Genuinely Fun and Funny Character Writing for your Episodes. I would have thought you could only tell a couple Stories about hunting a mysterious/alien predator that hides behind concrete!! Good Stuff Man
Looks like the AP round striking the 3/16 steel may not have penetrated due to the steel collapsing and causing a more linear deceleration of the projectile rather than a point load. Interesting video as always.
Having seen Surviving the Game, Ice T teaches us that you can totally take down a tree with a shotgun _and_ fell it in a specific direction on order to use the tree to cross a ravine. A really versatile firearm.
What's weird is that .410 buckshot these days are 00, not 000! What the hey, man? 00 is .32, 000 is .36, and the bore is .410, so .36 is no problem! .410 buckshot loads used to be three 000 in a 2½", or 4 (depending on wadding) in a 3"! Now, it's the same count of smaller shot, and it's _hard_ instead of _soft_ lead, so it doesn't expand!
Almost identical performance. I guess the lack of weight:powder load in the 20 is almost exactly proportionate to the weight:powder load in the 12; the 12 just makes the bigger diameter hole at the same depth. Great video, thanks for the test!
@ mimicry is the most sincere form of flattery. Thanks to Roy for carrying on their family’s legacy. But good point, not everyone could fill Paul’s shoes.
When it comes to shotguns, I'd prefer 20. It literally solves all issues with 12. Lighter gun, recoil, same capacity, plenty powerful, and because ammo is smaller, you can carry more. People complain about ammo selection, but buckshot are all that's needed. Guns? You can get a mossy 590 9shot in 20, not to mention side saddles and light attachment.
I am fortunate enough to be able to read box data and load information on just about every cartrage and brand, because of my job, and it is nice to see the logical thoughts and ideas I came up with (20ga vs 12ga) tested and proven. Idea(s) for VS lineups. Best prostitute semi 22lr vs 22mag vs 25auto vs 32acp. And best prostitute revolver 22mag vs 30 super carry vs .327 federal. And last 45 acp vs 45 long colt vs 45gap vs .455 webley.
It would be cool to do a video on different types of slugs since there's a literal crap ton. Maybe with a rifled barrel? Just a thought. And clay please? Great videos btw
Dude, love your content. Even if it’s not that useful to me as I live outside the US, it’s much fun to watch. I have a proposition for you. Maybe you can get your hands on the new .277 Fury/6.8 and compare it to 5.56 and 7.62 NATO as well as a .338 Lapua. Yes, yes, yes, different use cases, I know! (Do I, though?) But all are battle field munitions non the less. Successively more range, but the 6.8 is promised to be „the one to rule them all“. Now here comes the kicker: maybe, big effing maybe, you can convince CheyTac USA to custom fabricate a 6.8mm (or there about, .299 CheyTac Wildcat anyone? Suggested dimensions 77x66 or 77², nifty, eh?) cartridge and a matching gun to compare. CT10 should form a decent foundation therefore. Now that would make for an interesting comparison! Not too far fetched anyway, since the new SIG can be seen as a (semi)-DMR as some 7.62 and for sure Lapua rifles. Ah, lest not forget, alternative round of targets required for that one (do I hear body armor?) and as well as an appropriate shooting range. I suggest armor penetration at 75yd (5,56 in mind for baseline), 150yd (5.56 vs.7.62), 250yd, (7.62 vs Lapua), 400yd for .338 vs .299 CheyTac for common military use body protection. You’ll know distances better and choose accordingly I’m sure. Furthermore: Groupings of at least three shots (better five or six, as per usual) at 150yd, 250yd, 400yd, 600yd (7.62 NATO goes easily that far as I know from experience, 5.56 will struggle no doubt), maybe Lapua and .299 CheyTac additionally at 800 or even 1,000yd? Different distances for fairness and use case sake. Good scopes (all the same of course) mandatory. We shall not forget the ballistic gel comparison at fair ranges 150yd/5.56; 250yd 6.8 & 7.62; 400 yd .338 & .299 CheyTac (yes. I am very self-satisfied with that designation) or even longer distance for this two baddies. Again, I’m sure you will assess the proper shooting distances better than me. They are mere suggestions. Shouldn't be to boring for CheyTac to take part anyway as I am convinced they would kick everyones backside with this on. A cartridge comparable in size to .308 but with way better performance could sell like cool beer on a hot summer evening at the lake. Cost? Who cares for cost and prices when it comes to guns anyway? Upside for you:I believe that vid would blows up the YT. Every other gun tuber will lick his fingers for this tool. FYI: Will post this under your next vid again since there are tons of comments here already. But I needed to get the idea out.
He’s done a video of the 277 fury and the 338 Lapua. He was using the same range as he always does so there’s not an incredible distance for either of those rounds but still a great video.
Just for some clarification, we had to tone it down a bit on the AP :( as per the ATF ....... they will go through cars and engine blocks. Thanks @Banana
The 20ga is an underappreciated tool for defense and hunting.
It honestly makes sense. 12 gauge is absolutely massive, and way oversized for a lot of applications. The only reason I chose it over the 20 is ammo availability
20ga has plenty of power for home defense with the bonus of lower recoil. Federal is making flite control buckshot for it as well.
I concur.
Not when you get older, it doesn’t. When you start looking at 60 in the rearview mirror, Hauling that big Canon around gets a little heavy.
@jamescaron6465 what?
I never get tired of this guys imagination and being able to come up with colorful characters to shoot at.
Pick target. Add feminine sounding male name. Water jug? Wally the water jug. Ceramic tile? Perry the plate. Jell-O mold? Jerry the Jell-O mold. Need a nemesis? Take the type of round and make the bad guy a similar sounding creature from the animal kingdom. Slug round? Big Boy Slugano. Wadcutters? Wadsworth the Walrus. Full metal jackets? Jimmy Jackal. Armor piercing? Andrew the Armadillo... Having the imagination of a child paired up with your standard shtick isn't terribly difficult.
@@mattmarzulaI bet you’re a hit at parties!
He's known by the Co. he keeps. Same as the rest of us...slugs
@@mattmarzulathis is why ypur gun channel has 900 subs and his has 200 thousand
The scenarios are epic.
The outrageous scenarios, "Let's Turn It Around", "It's Time to Grind", the pinky test, and Angry Bathroom Guy are why I keep coming back.
Bathroom guy is hilarious. He always says what we're thinking or should be thinking.
He's like The Urban Rescue Ranch guy with firearms and The Filthy Frank guy on the toilet.
I call him Bathroom Ballistics Guy 🤣
About 35 years ago we had a suspect take a woman hostage. The female trooper that was dispatched to the domestic grabbed her 12 gauge 870 and chambered a slug. The suspect, holding the woman hostage, approached her cruiser at which time she proceeded to disintegrate his head removing it from his body permanently.
“What the fuck? His head blew off! I thought I grabbed my taser!”
Outstanding!!
Remarkable!!!!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
As it should be
Well... it didn't hurt.
i remember thinkink it odd that people thought the 20 gauge slug was too light for deer but the 50 cal muzzle loader was near perfect.
I know Amish dudes that use .410 slugs and they say the never have a problem but I’ve also seen Amish shoot deer with field tip arrows so idk
@@jeffpraterJSF Seen Amish hunt black bears with .410 slugs.
.50 cal has a much higher BC because it's solid. Foster slugs are mostly hollow so they can fly straight through a smooth bore. In theory a 12ga is a .72 caliber bullet, but from these tests you can see it crumples way easier than regular rifle or pistol rounds.
@@adabsurdum5905yeah, but you can use different slug designs too, especially if you have a rifled barrel. They make copper solids and other high penetration slugs.
@@adabsurdum5905depends on what kind of slug you’re using. Yeah, foster slugs are mostly hollow, but they also make sabot slugs & brenneke slugs.
I click for the data,
I stay for the silliness.
That pink laminate wood furniture for your shotgun honestly doesn't look bad. Not overbearing with the pink. Besides, it still just as deadly.
Looks like a Boyd's stock
It’d be a lot cooler if it was, I don’t know……..blue.
I bought one just like it for my wife 16 years ago, they were a factory stock from Remington and hers has engraving on the butt stock.
@@CharlesJones-wi7tz Boyd's does a really nice blue/black laminate
I saw red, to be fair. Either way it's a nice color on a wood stock.
never change banana, you're one of the best
The craziest thing I've ever seen while shooting: picture a 4'x'8' sheet of plywood framed with 2"x4"s around the perimeter. It was lying on its long edge, and I set an unopened beer (don't fret it was just Meister Bräu) on the top edge, on the 2"x4". I shot a 12 gauge Foster slug that hit the wood directly underneath the beer. The can jumped up a few inches did a 360 and landed back on the 2"x4", right side up.
You missed, hopefully you got the beer with the next shot 😂
I lived a couple of years in Ohio and purchased a 12 gauge slug gun to join the ranks of deer hunters while I lived there. I was surprised to find out the ALL the local guys (in my hunting circle) had hunted with 20 gauge slug guns their whole lives! Bigger is not always better.
12 is a better bird gun
20’s are dope with slugs less recoil and not as loud
I use a mossberg 500a regular 12g
Smooth barrel
I use those rifled slugs
50 yard on a 8 inch gong easy
Furthest I shot was a car radiator at 80 yards and was easily hitting that as well
Some Marine, somewhere: "Overkill is underrated". However, it is apparent from your testing that a 20ga is perfectly adequate for self defense. Oh, and for slugos, I recommend rock salt.
I hear salt is pretty nasty on slugs!
Back before some states went to straight wall cartridges, the 20 ga was getting a following amongst deer hunters.
My son argued, "It's not the overkill to worry about, it's the underkill."
@@williammurray1341 not a whole lot of underkill in a 62 caliper slug
Until you’re defending your self agains a grizzly, your sentiment is correct.
I think a lot of people see shotgun slugs as just massive bullets, but theyre hollow, so they penetrate way less than it would seem at first glance. Love the comparrison
Yeah foster slugs for sure, but they make other slugs that are solid. Not all of them work in smoothbores though.
@Steve-ev6vx exactly, seems people forget about rifled shotguns and sabot slugs. Sabots are usually quite a bit more expensive than rifled slugs, but when you find the right one for your barrel, you extend your range dramatically
Freaking awesome video!! I laughed my ass off and was blown away by the outcomes of your tests! I hope more people start recognizing how good your content is!
That 1/8" plate is beautiful artwork with the two holes in it.
Wall hanger for the garage for sure.
I've been running a 20ga at home for a decade now. #1 buck shot.
I love these videos. Even though penetration is the last concern with a shotgun slug, still interesting to see.
I had a buddy who had a Browning 16 gage as a kid to young man in the 60's and early 70's, unfortunately it was stolen. He loved that 16 ! Took a lot of game with it. He said it was the best of both 20 and 12 with proper loads for the situation.
My neighbor has an Ithaca 16ga that I have to say is a nice shooter. Pretty comfortable, lightweight, but relatively low recoil. Ammo is less common but not unobtainium.
Dont belive they make 3 inch loads for 16. I havent heard of 3 1/2 in other then 12 .
@johnossendorf9979 so basically I'm saying a 20 Guage 3 inch going to be way superior to a 16 Guage. For the variety being able to shoot low price skeet loads up to 3 1/2 inch turkey load or slug out of a 12. The 12 is bar far the most versatile. Then even a 20 is superior to a 16.
@chrisstaples703 Makes sense in 2025 and I agree. Did it make the same sense in the 60's and 70's? I don't know but that is the time my buddy owned that 16. I own a Mossburg 500 12 gage.
Also a 20 gauge is just a phenomenal choice of ypu are recoil sensitive especially. It is a great option.
I found my 20 gauge shoots like a dream with target loads, but kicks like it's 12 gauge brother with Buckshot. It's way easier to carry if you are walking around with it I would imagine.
The cut scenes to the alterego in the john are effin gold man!!! xD
@1:14 "Ooh! I shouldn't have picked that up in case it was hot." "Ooh, there's the other slug! [picks it up]" - I too experience ADHD at the range sometimes.
Please please PLEASE do mini shells!
How about 12ga mini shells VS 20ga, just to make it interesting.
Mini shells vs 3inch slugs.
I'd like to see some real hat magnum slugs maybe sabbot slugs to
This!
Sabot vs foster
Nice episode of The Sluganos!
Watch tomorrow night to see how much Gabagool it takes to stop 9mm!
Best ballistic testing on RUclips, and most entertaining. Thanks Banana…
The family farm was stuck in a slug gun only zone for almost 50 years. 12 and 20 gauge both performed admirably when you actually hit something. 20 gauge was preferred for most of the family because it shot flatter and didn't beat you with recoil like the 12. Dad's old Ithaca 37 20 gauge is still my favorite to carry on a deer drive.
Funny cause I’m currently on the John saying “is that a pink shotgun?!” 😂
Love my 20 side-by-side double.
This may be my favorite video of yours yet.
Wait.....no Midwayusa this time???
Don't ever change bro. And please also never change Bathroom Ballistics Guy, I love that bit XD
I shot a 3/8 plate about 40 years ago with a 12-gauge and a 20 gauge slug. The 20 gauge penetrated much further. Surprised me at the time.
Hey dude! 👋😄
I would be real interested in seeing how different 12 gauge sabots would do against your barrier assortment and maybe even some 10 and 20 gauge sabots! 😏
Many thanks for both the knowledge and entertainment, cheers from across the pond in southern Sweden! 🇸🇪🙏😄
We used to put washer-caps in front on our slugs, a nice small hole steel one makes a good cutting edge on the target.
Big Boy Slugano needs his own merch line.
This guy is a bigger dork than Kentucky Ballistics, but I’m here for it😂 Maybe it’s obligatory if you have Ballistics in the name of the channel?
Ooh thank goodness I thought goosifer was back...
The cardboard cutouts of evil animals have given reasons to carry multiple calibers for different thickness of steel barriers.
Unplanned spontaneous disassembly of that nice chunk of wood. Not too shabby.
I really enjoyed the video man, was funny as heck too 👍🏻😎. You should try the super powerful slugs like Brenneke's 12GA and 20GA slugs.
This man's true talent is in drawing memorable caricatures. That's what keeps me coming back.
The pink shotgun is awesome. Nicely offset by the gray...or grey...whatever.
Thanks again for doing these videos! Super entertaining and educational at the same time. Still my favorite channel on YT 🤘🏼
Hey bud we need you to redo it but add 10 gauge and 410.. but seriously keep up the awesome content
Thanks for the consistently great content.
I'll add I continue to be surprised how resilient sand is.
One of my favorite channels on the tube
I inherited a 16 gauge from my father-in-law. I would love to see you test this sort of rare breed.
Love the video. I'd love to see a 16 gauge in this comparison. 16 gauge does more what a 12 gauge is capable of then a 20. It would be awesome to see a proper comparison for a 16 gauge. John Brownings favorite gauge by the way.
You hardly see 16g anything anymore. I can get 12,20 & 410 at my local grocery store and haven't seen 16 in years in in gun stores. It's a dieing caliber.
@JamesSmullins that's actually no longer true. 16 gauge is the 3rd most popular gauge, amongst millennials, and 28 gauge is the 3rd most popular for the boomer or older than 40 crowd. Both of those gauges have gotten revived since 2016, and ammunition is not actually hard to find anymore, same with firearms in 16 gauge. Most shotgun ammo manufacturers are pumping out a decent amount of 16 gauge loads, and most shotgun manufacturers making break action guns, generally offer a 16 gauge. Also, many old school 16 gauges are still on the market, like Ithaca Model 37s, which are amazing. Tristar has SxS, O/U and a semi-auto 16 gauge now. Browning makes 16 gauges on the regular, from the new Browning A5 Sweet Sixteens, to the BPS occasionally, to the Browning and Citori O/U shotguns in 16 gauge. It is by no means a dying gauge anymore.
Many stores don't carry it on hand, because some areas have very few people if any asking. But if you ask, it will come. Trust me. My area had none, now has a boat load. Just because I and everyone else I have gotten into the Gentlemen's Gauge or Royal Bore. .410 is actually more of a dying gauge, significantly more expensive, and way harder to find, especially during ANY shortage. In Canada during hunting season, GOOD LUCK with .410 anything. For the last four years, .410 has been so uncommon in Canada, many have stopped getting into .410. Also, .410 is really only in Canada and the US does .410 have any favourability. Go anywhere else, and you will be looking into 28 gauge, or in other areas, 32 and 24 gauge, as .410 and 28 may not be popular. Like Eastern Europe or some South American countries.
@@JamesSmullinsthat why I buy 16 ga shells whenever I see them.
@@Bitis11nasicornis I don't care about Canada and Europe, it's not popular here. The fact that I would have to ask them to order it tells you they don't sell enough to bother stocking it. I can get all kinds of 410 and 20g, no 16 and I don't know anyone who'd waste money on a 28g. Well except restrictive countries and I don't count them as mattering.
@@JamesSmullins it just speaks volumes of your ignorance. You don't care about anything but your bubble. Which means you likely know nothing of the shotgunners in your area? You know, the ones who reload all their own ammo, therefore, no demand in a store. Kinda happens when you were left without reliable or good ammo from the 70s to 2016. Also, if you live in the East, you are so restricted to what's common. In the West, everything is common place, because people have money. You would be surprised what people own or shoot, regardless of what is "popular" at your store. Especially since the invention of the internet. Makes it even more unlikely you just find it at stores. It's kinda cool, you can get ammo shipped to your home from the manufacturer.
Go out there and explore beyond your bubble it would surprise you. FYI, America like Canada is the home of all shotgun gauges and bores. It always impresses me to see how many Canadian and Americans are shooting obscure to full on extinct cartridges.
Great tests Double B. ❤
You are doing really well on subs! 😳 Almost at 200k?!? Congrats early!!! 🎈🥳🎈
people underestimate 20ga
Toilet Expert’s humour is spot on 😂
Dude, I just searched your channel for this very topic like 3 days ago! Kizmit!!!!
For home/self defense the 870 20 ga youth model is the perfect size and can shoot 3" 00 or slugs if needed.
You’re a mean one…. Mister Grinch
Thank you American Mr. Bean
I still think a 20ga is an incredible choice for home defense, less recoil, more rounds, expected ranges of 10-15 yards the damage output is completely fine/excellent, id love to get my hands one a suppressor for one. I just cant find a platform i feel is "perfect" in 20ga even though i have a few of them.
That's why it's important to try shouldering and swinging on a few birds, before buying a shotgun. For me, personally, the Beretta 20-gauge pump with 24" barrel and plastic furniture is the best-fitting shotgun I have handled, out of hundreds of shotguns; it's just too bad that it is embarrassingly ugly, because it's my choice to go with what will hit anything within its reach, every time.
Make sure that, if you are going to need a paradox rifled choke tube or an extended extra-full choke tube, that you try it out. Those extra four inches don't distort balance the way a flashlight or other accessories do, but a 20 is so light that the change in balance can be noticeable (swing, less-so).
Сайга 20 с коротким стволом, скадной приклад и резьбой под насадки/глушитель. У нас такие на вторичном рынке менее чем за 100 долларов продают
Big boy slugono earned you a sub.
Try breneke slugs to see if they can hit Slugano. Great video.😂👍🏼
Saw a chart several years ago describing the lethality of different bullet projectiles. Their science favored low velocity, big bore, heavy projectiles over, high velocity, small bore, light projectiles. Foot/pounds were less meaningful, but momentum reigned. They put the bullet projectiles in different categories based on the size/type of animals they were recommended for. The categories were small game (squirrels, rabbits) medium size game (fox, bobcat, coyote), large game (deer, black bear, sheep, goats) extra large game (Elk, moose, caribou,) and dangerous game (Brown, Grizzly Bear, Lion, Leopard, etc.) The 12 gauge shotgun slug, based on its diameter, weight, and momentum potential, was considered adequately lethal for dangerous game out to 100 yards.
Glad to see the sand back! Just a suggestion, ever thought about going down in size to 5" or even 4", since almost nothing seems to make it through the 6"? Maybe use smaller boxes for pistol and larger for rifles. Would be nice to see some rounds make it through ever now and then. Thanks for videos!
I laughed way more than i expected to
Okay. I'm a 12 gauge guy. I totally underestimated the 20 gauge, though. But the massive wound channel of the 12 gauge. 😮
Dude, you are a hoot! Keep it up!
Paused at 4:26, but can we PLEASE get a Big Boy Slugano shirt?
20ga. has the same power, as far as fps goes, but less weight in all loads. I use 5/8 oz solid copper 20ga. slugs with my Savage single shot for whitetail hunting every year.
Federal has 12 gauge copper hst slugs.
I've had to add a new rule to my range requiring that all projectiles be lead just to try and prevent damage to the steel backstop.
325 grains at 1,900 fps. Thing slaps like a wider 45-70
Man You NEVER Get Old!! Just Some Genuinely Fun and Funny Character Writing for your Episodes. I would have thought you could only tell a couple Stories about hunting a mysterious/alien predator that hides behind concrete!! Good Stuff Man
Looks like the AP round striking the 3/16 steel may not have penetrated due to the steel collapsing and causing a more linear deceleration of the projectile rather than a point load. Interesting video as always.
I'm not falling for the banana in the tail pipe!!! 😂
Knew a guy who was good getting deer with a 20
Just got to know your weapon
The first steel test shows the difference between one year in prison and two years in prison.
Having seen Surviving the Game, Ice T teaches us that you can totally take down a tree with a shotgun _and_ fell it in a specific direction on order to use the tree to cross a ravine.
A really versatile firearm.
410 slugs vs 000 buckshot test please
What's weird is that .410 buckshot these days are 00, not 000! What the hey, man? 00 is .32, 000 is .36, and the bore is .410, so .36 is no problem! .410 buckshot loads used to be three 000 in a 2½", or 4 (depending on wadding) in a 3"! Now, it's the same count of smaller shot, and it's _hard_ instead of _soft_ lead, so it doesn't expand!
At 1:00 that pressure treated lumber became Canadian!
Almost identical performance. I guess the lack of weight:powder load in the 20 is almost exactly proportionate to the weight:powder load in the 12; the 12 just makes the bigger diameter hole at the same depth.
Great video, thanks for the test!
If you can get your hands on some, I’d like to see a test on 28ga slugs. And if you load your own, 28ga #4 buckshot.
Mr banana would like to see your videos every week. Your doing great keep giving them blocks hell😊
I’d love to see PH meat target with blue Jean covering, oranges midway, all followed by ten layers high tech fleece….can you even do that?
Hmmmmm homage? Or blasphemy?? Long Live Paul Harrell!
@ mimicry is the most sincere form of flattery. Thanks to Roy for carrying on their family’s legacy. But good point, not everyone could fill Paul’s shoes.
I used those 20 guage Hornaday Sabot Slugs a while back on a shotgun only area...yeah plenty of knockdown
Weird how relatable his advice was
The only unexpected results here is can you shoot straight and hit the target 😂😂
Buddy of mine used my Saiga 20 to take a tree down, back around 2004... it wasn't a big tree, but it only took 2x 14 round mags of slugs.
Would love to see this done again but with sabot slugs. Cheers great content 👌
I immediately subbed BECAUSE of the pink shotgun!😍🔥
When it comes to shotguns, I'd prefer 20. It literally solves all issues with 12. Lighter gun, recoil, same capacity, plenty powerful, and because ammo is smaller, you can carry more. People complain about ammo selection, but buckshot are all that's needed. Guns? You can get a mossy 590 9shot in 20, not to mention side saddles and light attachment.
Bro is dropping info I didn’t know I wanted.
Great video sir! Would love to see you compare Brenneke slugs against each other. Like Black Magic vs Magnum Crush, both in 12 gauge!
Always enjoy your vids this one was one of your best please do more slugoligy 😊
I am fortunate enough to be able to read box data and load information on just about every cartrage and brand, because of my job, and it is nice to see the logical thoughts and ideas I came up with (20ga vs 12ga) tested and proven.
Idea(s) for VS lineups. Best prostitute semi 22lr vs 22mag vs 25auto vs 32acp. And best prostitute revolver 22mag vs 30 super carry vs .327 federal. And last 45 acp vs 45 long colt vs 45gap vs .455 webley.
I’ve never seen a banana video where “the gun was cited in” lol
Is this Tom Bodett? Will he leave the light on for us?
Ahhh yes, the one i’ve been waiting for.
Dammit. I was going to bed. Now I have to watch this.
Wish the 16ga was more popular. Best of both worlds.
This was a fun video, I just obtained a Boss for my wife. I now have a different bed I sleep in.
Very informative. Was curious about the differences and this answers most of my questions. Keep up the good work BB. Love your videos
It would be cool to do a video on different types of slugs since there's a literal crap ton. Maybe with a rifled barrel? Just a thought. And clay please? Great videos btw
Dude, love your content. Even if it’s not that useful to me as I live outside the US, it’s much fun to watch.
I have a proposition for you. Maybe you can get your hands on the new .277 Fury/6.8 and compare it to 5.56 and 7.62 NATO as well as a .338 Lapua. Yes, yes, yes, different use cases, I know! (Do I, though?) But all are battle field munitions non the less. Successively more range, but the 6.8 is promised to be „the one to rule them all“.
Now here comes the kicker: maybe, big effing maybe, you can convince CheyTac USA to custom fabricate a 6.8mm (or there about, .299 CheyTac Wildcat anyone? Suggested dimensions 77x66 or 77², nifty, eh?) cartridge and a matching gun to compare. CT10 should form a decent foundation therefore.
Now that would make for an interesting comparison! Not too far fetched anyway, since the new SIG can be seen as a (semi)-DMR as some 7.62 and for sure Lapua rifles.
Ah, lest not forget, alternative round of targets required for that one (do I hear body armor?) and as well as an appropriate shooting range.
I suggest armor penetration at 75yd (5,56 in mind for baseline), 150yd (5.56 vs.7.62), 250yd, (7.62 vs Lapua), 400yd for .338 vs .299 CheyTac for common military use body protection. You’ll know distances better and choose accordingly I’m sure.
Furthermore: Groupings of at least three shots (better five or six, as per usual) at 150yd, 250yd, 400yd, 600yd (7.62 NATO goes easily that far as I know from experience, 5.56 will struggle no doubt), maybe Lapua and .299 CheyTac additionally at 800 or even 1,000yd? Different distances for fairness and use case sake. Good scopes (all the same of course) mandatory.
We shall not forget the ballistic gel comparison at fair ranges 150yd/5.56; 250yd 6.8 & 7.62; 400 yd .338 & .299 CheyTac (yes. I am very self-satisfied with that designation) or even longer distance for this two baddies.
Again, I’m sure you will assess the proper shooting distances better than me. They are mere suggestions.
Shouldn't be to boring for CheyTac to take part anyway as I am convinced they would kick everyones backside with this on. A cartridge comparable in size to .308 but with way better performance could sell like cool beer on a hot summer evening at the lake.
Cost? Who cares for cost and prices when it comes to guns anyway?
Upside for you:I believe that vid would blows up the YT. Every other gun tuber will lick his fingers for this tool.
FYI: Will post this under your next vid again since there are tons of comments here already. But I needed to get the idea out.
He’s done a video of the 277 fury and the 338 Lapua. He was using the same range as he always does so there’s not an incredible distance for either of those rounds but still a great video.
Just for some clarification, we had to tone it down a bit on the AP :( as per the ATF ....... they will go through cars and engine blocks. Thanks @Banana
Just take a tree out, what’s the deal? 😂 as seen in the video, you have a few!
I'm not sure I expected those results...
I'm beginning to think the pinky test has a hidden meaning.
So excited to see some shotgun content
Chronograph should be renamed the Bananagraph ! Ha ha