9mm Rifles Are Pointless?
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
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Ever wonder how much of a difference there is between a 9mm pistol, PCC and rifle? Let's find out. Thanks for watching!
All tests were at 25 yards.
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*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home! Always verify your firearm is rated for and can safely fire any ammunition that you intend to use. Always follow standard safety procedures when handling Any firearm.
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The second's hand on your watch moves drastically every time you fire. I guess time really does speed up when having fun.
Still doesn’t work lol
Nope I prefer a 10 MM, and Ruger has a PCC Chambered in it. Brass Jacket Bullets, Sharp Pointed Tungsten Carbide Tip, Hollow Core, 180 Grain to 250 Grain, Nuff Said.
I’m confused? 😶 your velocity measuring gear is still in one piece? 😳 (😉😋😜 obviously I usually watch Kentucky Ballistics…..🫣😅)
_"Is it enough difference to make a difference? You be the judge."_
- Paul "The GOAT" Harrell
Miss him but thankful he made a huge difference in my life.
“𝙇𝙚𝙩’𝙨 𝙖𝙨𝙠 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙚𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙜𝙚𝙩.”
RIP PAUL HARRELL Loved that guy
One of the only times ive ever tried to help a fundraiser
And don't try this at home, you're what I'd call an amateur.
With long guns, the barrel matters but the three points of contact are where most of the sauce is over a pistol.
Exactly. I have some older ladies with arthritis who like to shoot, and their husbands all jumped on the Glock bandwagon a few years back. So I suggested the Ruger PCC because it can take Glock mags but doesn't require the same level of finger strength, which just isn't there for the older ladies. Useful for target shooting, dealing with vermin in the countryside, and home defense in a pinch.
Having three points of contact is definitely part of it. Even mechanically though, just about any long gun with a fixed barrel is going to be inherently more accurate than a pistol of the Browning tilting barrel design ubiquitous to practically all semi-automatic pistols chambered for cartridges more powerful than 380 ACP.
Back when iron sights were the only option, a longer barrel typically also meant a longer sight radius, which contributes to more precision in aiming.
This. I WAY outshoot offhand with my PCC anyone with a pistol- even people way better with pistols (Try 2-3000 dollars) at the same distances, though both hit a wall at about 100m in terms of "accuracy" rather than luck. Though I -have- hit things with my 9mm PCC with Winchester ball target ammo out on the rifle range. It'd be abysmal compared to an intermediate caliber or full rifle round. To be honest, if it weren't for idiotic arbitrary and pointless barrel length laws, my Ruger PCC with about 2.5 inches less barrel (and saving weight and bettering balance) would be a -perfect- home defense gun. The Charger with a pistol brace is fun too, but I don't own one as tax stamps are evil and the laws never change but the ATF "interpretations" felonize stuff on and off again too often.
Four points of contact with cheek weld.
As a man standing in at an exact 5'4.39" I appreciate precise measurements
Tall or long?……..😂
Morning or evening height? It makes a difference!
I’m a grower, not a show-er!
@@AN-12345is that morning height stuff real? I was measured correctly by someone else at 5’10.75 right before going to bed, if we are shorter at night then could I say that I’m 5’11?
@ethanp7183 No guarantees, but measure yourself right after you wake up, and it's very likely. Also, you can just round up. Most people do anyway!
My guy's voice is deeper than the hole in my checking account.
Uhh.. well, better financial decisions/luck in 2025?
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Cause his banana is huge
I'm sitting at -$600 in my checking, I'm in danger, haha
Best argument for it is 9mm is very common and cheap. In an emergency, I think being able to get the most out of common ammo is valuable.
Plus the MP5 clone has an easier learning curve and it's better for women to handle due to the smaller recoil. Also more fun to shoot. Eas of carry and mag capacity means you can do more with it when it comes to home defense.
@@arx5638 most adult woman above 60kg should be able to handle a 9mm without any issue with proper training,no?
During the pandemic, it was much easier to get 45-70 compared to 556 or 9 mm. Ubiquitous ammunition is more likely to be sought after.
@@arx5638Do women have difficulty with 9mm? I had a friend with a .40 S&W 1911, she never complained about the recoil.
@@QualityPen he's probably from a older generation where they think women are weak.
I know a lot of women that are better shots than men.
Shoutout to Ballistics by the Inch providing a comprehensive database of tests for this and providing it as an archive after testing was ended
I used to shoot a pistol match at a local indoor range where, one night, a husband-and-wife couple showed up and they were sharing a Glock 19. The guy did okay but his wife was one of the skinniest women I've ever seen and she couldn't even get the pistol to cycle reliably. I felt bad for her, since every shot was another malfunction for the whole match and she wound up in last place, overall. The next week the same couple showed up but this time the woman had a CZ Scorpion "pistol", and it had no malfunctions at all. Additionally, when we looked at the overall scores, she shot better than most of the guys who shot pistols. After that match, I stopped talking trash about PCCs.
3 points of contact, pretty well known that rifles are better because of stability.
Still, if I'm getting a rifle, it's going to be in a more powerful caliber, .300 blackout no doubt. but for plinking, sure I guess.
She was essentially limp wristing the glock most likely. The scorpion has considerably more weight than the glock and would be easier for a weak individual to control more effectively. This video shows that while you get gains with a longer barrel, they are not tremendously better.
Glock 19 is a carry pistol. Does the CZ fit in her purse?
Kinda weird that within the last week Hickock45 was literally using a 9mm carbine and noticed how much different it was from his pistol. I think he got it right in that video when he said, people will do test and say there is no difference, but this is real world use, and I can tell the difference. How did he tell there was a difference? He has a spinning target,, and every round from the carbine was spinning the targets. He instantly noticed and said I can never get my pistol to do this. He said my pistol will do it sometimes, but this does it every single time. Then he says just watch my videos when I shoot this target with my 9mm pistol, and you'll see the target rarely spins. So I guess Hickock45 showed there is a difference without even trying to show a difference. I did go watch him do target practice with his 9mm Glock, and he was right, the target rarely spins, but he got it to spin every single time with the carbine. He used the same Federal ammo in both videos, and was standing in the same spot he always stands. Case closed, there clearly is a difference.
If she wasn't incompetent to begin with, this argument would have teeth. Would a competent pistol shooter be that significantly better with the PDW? Also, who makes an IWB holster for the CZ Scorpion?
Longer barrels don't make the bullet more accurate. They make you more accurate with the barrel.
When it comes to velocity, theres a website that did a study on "ballistics by the inch" where they took a bunch of factory barrels and measured the velocity before cutting an inch at a time. They started at 20" all the way down to 2". Pretty cool.
Velocity matters. It has more energy and a flatter trajectory. Also tightens angled trajectory if you pull one. Less thinking. More shooting.
Barrels do not have accuracy; they have precision. Longer barrels are less precise than shorter barrels (of the same contour).
@@albundy7459 Kinetic energy is not an indicator of terminal performance. Saw someone do a gel test with a 44 magnum revolver and a lever action shooting the same ammo. The rifle did significantly worse in the test because it only got 4 inches of pen. How? The bullet exploded on impact because it was not ready for more velocity from no cylinder gap + at least double the barrel length. This happens to a lesser degree on any expanding round; more velocity almost always means less penetration.
@@albundy7459like said. It depends on the powder and weight. And there's a point where ALL ammo will slowdown in a long barrel depending on how long.
@ that’s why reloading manuals exist my guy.
I don't know if anyone said it but you have to admire Hornady's consistent performance in that gel from those barrel lengths.
This video reinforced my subscription to your channel. I was just wondering the exact question as to whether Hornady critical defense is okay to run in a pcc 9". This eases my mind a great deal. I'd subscribe a second time if I could. No nonsense video, no wasting my time with bs. Thank you Banana man.
He has so many videos too.
PCC's shine in a couple areas. Faster accurate follow up shots, and quick target changes. Now more powerful rounds like 357, 44, 454, really shine in a PCC as they get to use that powder that usually isn't burnt in short pistol barrels. 9mm doesn't have a bunch of un burnt powder as it's loaded for pistol use.
My dad always used to say "Son, if you're using a 9mm PCC, but you _AREN'T_ using a silencer, then you're doing it wrong."
I'm kidding, he never said that to me. He probably never said that at all. But that doesn't mean that what my dad didn't say wasn't right.
@@TROOPERfarcry you didn't have to say anything
Name one 454 PCC.....
*.300 Blackout*
@@oscarbear7498I think there's only lever actions 18-20" 454s. Now I really want a 454 MP5
dammit! i let ballastics drive me bananas
I like your style: a lot of info in a short space and easy to understand.
It all comes down to what you feel more comfortable shooting. The upside to pcc is you can shoot mostly same stuff through your pistol
Absolutely correct.
Never compare your banana on camera! Always round up on length.
Great video.
Thanks!
“I compared it with my 9” barrel” 😂
357 Magnum can reliably take large game out of a carbine. Not all rifle cartridges do well in pistols, and not all pistol cartridges do well in rifles.
I’ve gained quite a bit with the 357 going to a carbine.
The powder burn speeds dictate so much. Even out of a 5" barrel 357m is pretty flashy, and i find myself with a lot of unburned powder, so def could get more complete burn out of a longer barrel. 357m is a really awesome sweet spot
Ruger carbine in 44mag with pc 170 grain years ago was flat shooting and devastating on deer I mean instant dispatch without exit wound
9 mm carbine good for 100 meters
2a armory 147gr "subsonic" ammo is so slow you can see the bullets in the air when shot out of my AR-9 with a 4" barrel. In the break action 16" rifle, every single one of those bullets was supersonic. With the right factory ammo you can easily gain over 200 fps. Loading to 9mm major pressures would significantly close the gap with 357 mag.
The reason you shoot something with a stock/brace over a handgun is it's much easier to shoot well and quickly than a handgun.
Yeah, its a point of contact kind of thing. Its why overall I'm a big fan of the pdw concept. Get a shouldered weapon but isn't too long because I usually don't need it for far shots anyhow. Just control over it.
Also, a longer sight radius and better recoil control.
M1 Carbine Philosophy 👍🏻
Indeed, it's just a more stable platform overall and if you're limited to using iron sights then the increased sight radius on a carbine gives you a drastically increased advantage in shot placement
@@QualityPen definitely and if you get less recoil there's less inaccuracy involved.
Love the Hornady Critical Duty 135+P’s. They’ve been my EDC load for 5 years now and don’t disappoint!
It is a lot easier to make accurate shots at longer distances with the carbine. The carbine or a braced pistol turns the 9mm into a 100 yard gun. The ATF ignored the Americans with Disabilities Act.
I’m disabled and I want a machine gun
when the Halleluya came all i could think about was the Holy Handgrenade from the "Worms" game.
Funny enough, it also has a banana grenade
A- that was a LOT of work at the range and in editing.
B- 9mm shows maginal improvements from pistol to midlength to carbine.
C- 45Auto has the same incremental improvements. 40SW and 10mm with the proper loads can really come to life in longer barrels.
Really liked my 40S&W keltec sub2000. On tests a good 40 rounds was almost identical to a 357 magnum. Wish I'd kept it
You are correct . My .40 16-in barrel picked up 300 FPS over the 4-in pistol , That was 155 grain slow burning shotgun powder at 1250 pistol and 1550 on 16-in
@ I chrono'd Rem 165gr 40s from a Sub2000. I dont remember the numbers but I do remember being impressed.
For all the wonkiness KelTec makes, the S2000 is quite useful.
.357 SIG can be loaded hot enough that with lightweight copper bullets and a sufficiently long barrel it can achieve 2,100 FPS and zip through IIIA.
@@QualityPen Yeah. Mondo cool. My 125gr JHP 357s out of a carbine are hitting 2200 fps. In my former employment I had LOTS of discarded armor to play with. Most anything above the rated velocity on the panels had a chance to defeat them. 2200FPS was a definate punch through.
Excellent presentation of what would otherwise be relatively dry data. Nice job!
2:38 I actually laughed out loud. 🤣
I actually read your comment first and then saw it and then laughed out loud
One underrated benefit of PCCs is noise. Adding barrel length means lower muzzle blast pressure, so not as tough on the ears (still not hearing safe, though). However, adding a extra large linear comp (aka flash cans) onto a PCC and shooting outdoors comes pretty close to ear safe, and those are technically/legally not suppressors, so they're cheap and no NFA paperwork to deal with.
The big thing about a PCC is points of contact. You can get a much more steady shot and follow up shot gripping the fore end, shouldering it, having a cheek weld, and that little touch of extra weight.
9mm gets diminishing returns ballistically after the barrel is longer than about 10". Just proof that the NFA is stupid.
Want to see this done again with 10mm for sure.
Yes please! 👍
Me too.
10mm should be even more potent in longer barrel
@MartinMizner that's the theory with the powders that 10mm uses. The best performance should be in thr 8-10in barrel range per inch.
He has a voice like Thurl Ravenscroft… You’re a mean one, Mr. Grinch…
Useing the rests to shoot takes the main advantage of the rifle. Having a rifle and pistol that use the same mags is a large advantage.
While a longer barrel helps a bit, what really helps is longer sight radius if your using iron sights.
Until you put a dot on it.
The tool should reflect the work. A pistol is fine for close up work or concealed carry, but try cqb or hostage rescue. Adding the additional optics, lights, sling and stability while moving and shooting the pcc make a huge difference. That is why the mp5 was in service so long.
@0:50 look the Little Dipper
Would love to see this for 5.7x28mm and .22wmr. 22 mag was made for rifles while 5.7 was made as a pistol round but I am curious about how they perform out of different barrel lengths.
CZ P-10F OR SR is the gift that keeps on giving. It's top quality. 5.1-inch threaded barrel, night sights, 21 round mags, optics ready, suppressor ready. It's a great pistol.
On top of what Mr. Banana demonstrated, a 5.56 rifle can do everything a 9mm rifle can do at roughly the same weight and less recoil with incredibly more ballistic effect. If you would own a 9mm as a range toy only, a .22LR could do everything it can do at a fraction of the price. The only niche really is certain types of competition shooting.
For people who are not gun people and only want a long gun for home defense, who already own a 9mm pistol, a PCC is a logical choice. Especially if mags are compatible. I've found it far far easier to convince someone who already has a 9mm Glock to get a PCC that takes Glock mags than anything else. Which there is the whole three points of contact benefit of a rifle, plus they already have ammo and mags for it. Also try shooting a 5.56mm carbine indoors and see how your ears feel. A 9mm PCC is not ideal, but it's very far from worthless. Especially considering the average person can barely manage to keep on a man sized target at 10yd, but you give them any rifle and suddenly they can hit at 50yd reliably.
Except be subsonic and effective
I've found 22lr in a semi auto to not be remotely as reliable as 9mm, and 5.56 is way too loud and flashy for indoor self-defense. PCC's are in my opinion the optimal setup for ease of use, price per round, and hearing safe if used with a suppressor.
Only a few minutes in and you already have done a great job showing multiple groups with different ammo brands and bullet weights! 👍🏻
Great video! I honestly love my Ruger PCC, I can make half dollar sized groups with multiple mags at 25 yard, and only slightly bigger at 50 yards with a crimson trace red dot. I do like that you used red dots on everything to try to reduce the anaomalies in your testing due to sight radius, which is usually why shooting a PCC over a pistol is more accurate.
Sight radius as well as having a barrel that’s fixed in place.
Straight blowback handguns are noticeably more accurate than their tilting/rotating barrel counterparts, all else roughly equal.
Ditto. And I love that I can swap the magazines of my 9mm American with the PC Carbine.
The PC came with one SR magazine, and the well to match. As such, my American pistol magazines would not fit.
I inspected them using calipers and precision rulers. I noted the catch holes were different between the two, so decided to bite the bullet and try modifying one of the American mags, to see if I could get it to work in the PC, without swapping to an American well.
I fired up my Foredom and it did little more than polish the magic metal from which the mags were made. I switched to the 400,000 RPM dental drill and a diamond bit. It handled the job fine and all my mags will fit the American pistol or the PC Carbine.
The SR mag still won't even fit into the American mag slot, though it shows as only being a few thousandths thicker.
@ I have the Glock magwell so I can use those mags in my Glock 22 or 23 with conversion barrel, and the PCC, and my Sub2000
The reason why a shouldered gun is better as far as accuracy isn't necessarily the length of the barrel, but because you can shoulder the gun and it's just easier to hit your target, especially at distance
The PCC is useful for those who struggle to be proficient with a handgun. My brother's wife struggled with a handgun so he bought her a PCC in 9mm Luger and suddenly she was double tapping multiple targets center of mass as fast as she could pull the trigger,
Even for those who are proficient in shooting pistols, a carbine would be faster and more accurate for most shooters. Shooting rifle is also far less of a perishable skill than pistols
I’d like to see the exact same test on the external hollow point 9mm bullets(G2 & Underwood) and Fort Scott TUI - these lighter solid copper projectiles are the future of optimized carry ammo IMO
I think barrel length and accuracy is more of a factor for iron sights. That longer sight radius really makes a difference. Everything tested here appears to have red dots though… so moot point for accuracy increase.
This helped me a lot. I just assumed the longer barrel would give huge gains. Thanks! Great content
Wow! I figured a 16" barrel would have more velocity gain.
The powder used in these cartridges is optimized to fully burn in barrels less than half that length. A longer barrel only provides more velocity if the powder is able to burn the entire length as doing so continuously adds pressure to the back of the bullet. This has to be balanced against the fact that the further down the barrel the bullet travels, pressure will drop since more volume is continuously added behind the bullet.
It's so cool how the recoil on all the different tools move the seconds hand forward on his wristwatch.
That was great testing and info!! Thank you
That ballistic gel test was the greatest example of the law of inertia! Love this channel!
Well. American SWAT used the MP5 for a reason. And H&K chose that barrel length for a reason. The question is, does that apply to what you need?
And they replaced their MP5s with M4s and M416s for a reason too.
Information I didn't know I needed. You should do more of these.
Hello. I have a 9mm "rifle", it's a SBR'ed Sig MPX. The barrel is only 8 inches.
Several points about this:
1 - Hitting steel at 50 yards is very easy with this setup. This can be done with a pistol, but not as quickly nor as consistently, and not by the same people. Meaning that anyone who can consistently ring steel at 50 yards with a handgun will _ABSOLUTELY_ be able to do that same trick with this rifle. But people who can do it with this rifle may not be able to do it with a handgun.
2 - Same ammo as the handgun. This helps with logistics and price. Logistically, I'm only buying one type of ammo after a range-session. Price-wise, 9mm is probably the least expensive centerfire available.
3 - I have a *HUGE* silencer on my setup. Obviously they make silencers for 9mm handguns, but my carbine silencer is noticeably quieter.
4 - I have poached deer with this. It's not a "drop-dead-on-the-spot", but 100 pound deer with a double-lung only run about 50 yards or so before they lay down. I've also gotten a coyote almost directly between the eyes. It works. It's not a 308... but it's not a 22 rimfire, either. And here's an ugly hot-take: subsonic 9mm *expands* ... and it does so very reliably ... unlike subsonic 300 BLK, which is often just a 308 bullet stuffed in a 300 BLK case, and won't open up at all at those low velocities.
But to the point of this channel - no, 9mm does not pick up any _MEANINGFUL_ velocity past around 5 inches or so. I know this, because 147 grain 9mm stayed subsonic in my 16-inch barreled Beretta CX4 Storm. I'm sure there's some fringe 85 grain "Liberty" stuff that does, but I'm not talking about that.
How's the recoil impulse on your MPX? I've wanted a PCC for a while, but I can't seem to find a justification aside from it being a "bump in the night" gun, and I already have many firearms for that. Am I missing out?
kinda cruel to be using 9mm on a deer
Why are you bragging about illegally hunting with 9mm. Poachers who get found around my parts usually are never found again.
@desktorp 9mm is plenty for little deer. Here in southeast Georgia the average deer is between 90 and 100lbs. I've used 9mm, 40sw, 10mm, and 45acp with great results. Just keep in mind the limited range of a pistol caliber.
@ The recoil impulse of most 9mm PCCs is lousy, because they love to use a blow-back mechanism to lock-up, and that relies on a heavy bolt to work. And it _DOES_ work. But the recoil of a gun is partly the total mass of being ejected out the front -- _bullet PLUS gas_ -- and it's also the mass of the bolt jostling around inside the receiver. It's literally like you're trying to hold a "shake-weight" still while the gun moves it back and forth.
The MPX has a very, very lightweight bolt due to the lock-up being essentially the same as an AR with rotating lugs. The downside is that it's expensive compared to other 9mm PCCs.
I can't tell you if it's worth it, because that's subjective. I'd feel fine with this as a HD gun, but it's similar to a 9mm handgun in that you'd probably want to quickly rattle off a few shots instead one AR or shotgun boom. On the other hand, a big silencer is also a big benefit for just ordinary fun. I swear, some of these forum commandos bragging about their 8-inch AR for HD make me cringe. I'm confident that if they get the shot where it needs to go that it'll absolutely do the job. But I'm _ALSO_ confident that they'll never hear again after firing an 8-inch 5.56 in narrow hallway with no hearing protection.
That gelatin block proves one thing.
That is EXCELLENT bullet design. Perfectly equal projectile deformation and penetration.
This channel is awesome. The perfect amount of comedy. Cheers 🍻
Thank you for the bananas ballistic man! This video looked like fun to create.
My folding Kel Tec is really quite accurate compared to pistols in .9MM .
I bought a SUB2K Gen2 a year ago to match my PF-9 from 2006. I thoroughly enjoy each for their intended purposes; the PF-9 for pocket concealment, and the Sub2K for computer/saddlebag carry. The PF-9 is the better for EDC/CCW, but the Sub2K is the most fun & accurate at longer range targets. Both are easy to clean & service, and shoot the same ammo all day long without fail!
You compared it to your 9" barrel?... lol 😂😂😂
In a life and death situation if someone gave you the option of defending yourself with a handgun or with a PCC I guarantee more people are choosing the PCC
I'd guess that most people in an actual life or death situation don't have a PCC in the nightstand.
@zchris87v80 why would you limit yourself to only what you could fit in a nightstand
@@zchris87v80 long guns haven't been used for home defense for decades?
Lever actions have been protecting homesteads for over 200 years.
@@mckenzieb92 I get that and I don't limit myself to that, but people who have kids don't want them to be able to access anything.
I would like to see some longer distance shots, if you have the room. For accuracy and power. Thanks Banana, love the channel
Note on Ballistic Gel testing. Once you have sufficient penetration (12-16 inches), the advantage of the longer barrel velocity is the energy that gets dumped into the target (gel). That is knock down POWER. Energy is velocity squared.
The problem with 9mm though is many hollow points are designed for a 4" barrel, and the speed from longer barrels can make them open too fast, and you can go from reliable 14" penetration to 6" penetration.
@@bower31 thats the point of hollows though? if you want real force and distance use flat nose rounds
@MrSolidsnake293 That's not the point of a hollow points no. You're supposed to get good expansion AND penetration. Not lose all of your penetration due to expansion. Anything short of 8" of penetration can risk actually losing effectiveness significantly.
@@bower31some. But in this video, Critical Duty pistol 17.5", PCC 18.125"
I will take the PCC with this 9mm ammo
Definitely the funniest gun tuber on the internet. my Guy needs way more subscribers.
Longer barrels aren't more accurate because they are longer, longer barrels generate more velocity, which can improve accuracy. If a bullet has less time to be affected by atmospheric effects, it won't be pushed off POA as much. If it's moving faster, it's not being affected by gravity as long. If it's moving faster, it has more momentum to resist the forces acting on it more. So, provided the barrel itself is accurate, and everything else is equal, the longer barrel will give smaller groups.
It's true. I shoot at 500 yards with a 500 yard barrel and my groups are less than 1/8th of an inch!
Yes, but the longer the barrel, the more challenging it is to machine it accurately. There are also harmonic effects to consider. These elements are part of the delicate balance
Longer barrels and small powder loads allow for full powder burn, which creates a smaller deviation in velocity. It's one reason why 22 precision shooters use long barrels instead of short 16". Even though shorter barrels are stiffer and tend to whip less.
Longer barrels also tend to have a longer sight radius or a magnified scope, which reduces percentage of error in aiming, but with most every thing having reddots now days that's a wash.
At this range, outside effects basically don't affect the bullet. The main difference in this test for accuracy was two guns had fixed barrels, and only one gun had a buttstock.
With open sights longer barrels increase sight radius, which can also improve accuracy.
Huh?
I was recently on the hunt for a pcc but I was saved. I was out actively shopping and came across a CZ shadow 2 and the price was so good I couldn't walk away from it. Needless to say I spent the money I had for the pcc on it and I couldn't be happier.
You still want a pcc
Paul Harrell would be proud
Sight radius is what leads to potential accuracy increase in a longer barrel. Using a red dot sorta negates that variable... Fun video as always!
Don’t yell at the paint, it’s nervous
I love this idea! You should do this test again with 45 auto!
"9mm carbines are pointless, just get an AR!"
Same group of people also went apes on pistol brace ban. Do you want a stock on your 9mm or not?!
the quality of the barrel and receiver do far more for accuracy than length.
i had this argument with someone who was trying to tell me that my ruger SFAR was less accurate than his savage axis 308. because his is bolt action and 22" and mine is semi and 16"
we went to a range event where they had a chronograph, not only were my bullets faster, but I held tighter groups, and my gun recoiled less. he actually sold his axis and bought an SFAR
This guy is my favorite !
Just once give us a “bright eyes” after the turn it around.
Thank you American Mr. Bean
Henry and Josh at 9HR make a strong argument that a SMG/PDW/PCC is usually more compact while _aiming_ compared to a pistol which needs a more extended aiming position.
16.37 is the decimal equivalent of 16 and 3/8 inch long. Actually, it should be 16.375 to keep my old machinist brain happy, but I guess it's close enough.
My argument here is about power to weight ratio. At only one pound, I can put up with a Glock 19 all day. At seven pounds or more with an optic and a can, MP5k is a much harder sell when you could have an intermediate caliber rifle for the same weight, with all the additional capabilities that brings.
There are these things called Ransom Rest and Sandbags.... You could have used it to really improve accuracy. So this isn't much of a test.
Yeah wasn't sure if he had any idea how to properly use a bench rest. The pistol shots were a joke.
His voice doesn’t match his appearance in such a startling manner that for about 20 seconds I thought my speakers were broken, and I was having technical difficulties. 😂
Dude your support rest and bipod is bouncing and moving all over the place.. 🤦🏼♂️ You're not loading the bipod either
I legit love your vids, dude.
“I really wanna have the size and bulk of a rifle but the weak and way underpowered performance of a handgun.”
PCC- “say no more fam”
Bruh you are not standing up after getting shot by a 9mm. Get over yourself.
Didn’t realize I wasn’t subscribed. Subbed to help your social media presence. 😂
I’d don’t know I’ve seen someone take a bear down with a 16 inch 9mm rifle.
Специально охотится на медведя с оружием калибра патрона 9-19 - безумие. Самооборона- ну хоть какие то шансы есть.
Henry from 9 hole reviews compared different MP5s to pistols and came to the conclusion that you actually want a similar barrel lenght as a pistol on a PDW because 9mm self defense ammo wont open up as effectively at higher velocities, a lot of hollow point projectiles are hyper specialised for certain velocities.
I think by using a red dot on all of these you eliminated the only real advantage with a rifle or PCC, which would be sight radius making for more accurate shots at range. Now... That being said with the proliferation of red dots, LPVO's, and other glass the sight radius argument may be largely a thing of the past. Now that being said I still use irons quite often so for me, still relevant.
he used the red dot for all and the PCC was still more accurate than the MP5 clone, both much more accurate than the handgun - by this test, sight-radius doesn't appear to be all that relevant with respect to accuracy.
Even if you have a red dot or any optic on a pistol the accuracy still has to come from having a steady hand , not jerking the trigger, proper grip , all those things are easy to do on a target range where a person is not under any duress and that is even more difficult at longer ranges , most people put optics on thinking it will be used in a real life shooting engagement and not many people are going to be able to keep their cool in a real shootout, not saying the optic doesn't help, but a long gun is much better even for a nervous person to obtain accuracy at longer ranges than a handgun mainly because the carbine has a shoulder stock and more area to get a good steady grip to keep the sight on target
Velocity is an advantage on a PCC.
Good tests Double B. ❤ Nice hair cut!
You are really doing well on Subs! You have a great channel. Keep it up.
Did you have a good Christmas and New Year?
Why is everyone calling pistols with long barrels Pistol Caliber Carbine's? With a barrel just over 16", the Henry is a PCC.
Whatever you are smoking, pass me some.
@@WaterZer0 So you don't know what a carbine is then? You may want to educate yourself on what one is prior to making snide remarks.
@ "Why is everyone calling pistols with long barrels Pistol Caliber Carbine's?"
I don't care what the ATF calls it; those are not "pistols".
@@WaterZer0 A 9" barrel is a pistol. A Carbine is a long gun (rifle) with a shortened barrel, which is typically 16". Carbines started being made because they were easier to shoot on horseback. They were lighter and easier to maneuver. Which is why they are still a good option for a lot of people. The ATF had nothing to do with it. You're on the internet, look it up.
@ "A pistol is a type of handgun with an integral chamber in the barrel as opposed to a revolver."
pistol
noun
"a short firearm intended to be held and fired with one hand."
I actually loved the sound of the crickets/cicadas/whatever the bugs were that you could hear at the end. It was a fun background noise!
2:58 for the accuracy thing I'd say it's more of stability on that rather than length
My wife thinks I'm stable
I got a 9mm carbine for my second gun because I already had an assload of 9mm and didn't want to pay three times the price of the gun in ammo. Solid choice, haven't felt the need for more yet.
Dude. You call that a grip @1:30? And with your makeshift base moving all over the place how do you expect any type of grouping?
I run the 9mm Vector CRB in conjunction with the Glock 19x. Same mags, same ammo. +P def hits harder out of the 16" Vector. Never ran a chrono to see the difference. Good vid.
You’re the Galileo of firearms! Thanks for testing the conventional wisdom that the longer barrel would make a significant difference.
10mm pistols make 9mm rifles pointless.
yep, 10 mm pistol could be even "headless" in the arms of not really physically strong person ;-)
Thanks for providing such holesome family-friendly content!
_wholesome_
@@monsterram6617 *holesome
Also not sure comparing the length of a barrel to your manhood is very family friendly.
It is strange that I am glad the “Throne” heckler is back! I missed him in the last video.
first?
Compatability is THE factor for any 9mm. Its the most common ammo type internationally [68%] and most 9mm systems are easy to maintain and/or fix.
Very useful video. It confirms that the 9x19 was designed to be a pistol cartridge! But really nice to see the comparisons. Also nice to confirm that the subsonics stay subsonic in all barrel lengths.
Well of course it is pointless. It's round, not pointy.
Good information. Thank you.
Rifle is more accurate because of three points of contact instead of just the grip. May not have inherent accuracy advantage but in use they are completely different.
Love these longer videos.