The Umineko Experience: Episode 7
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2021
- This is the funeral of the Golden Witch. Here, the cold hard truth will be revealed.
This is no longer a mystery, this is a confession.
The confession of the Golden Witch, Beatrice.
Umineko No Naku Koro Ni, one of the most beloved and popular visual novels in the entire genre. After reading Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni, I wonder what Ryukishi07 has in store for Umineko, in this psychological fantasy murder mystery visual novel
Today, you're going to get a taste of my Umineko Experience for the first time.
This will cover the second half of Umineko. Umineko: The Answer Arc, otherwise known as Umineko no naka ni Chiru
Presenting from The August Hail: The Umineko Experience: Episode 7
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“...a story should be like a roller coaster. That is to say before writing a really cruel scene, I have to lift the people’s spirit, for example, with a fun scene... Before writing a scene of pure despair, we must go through scenes of hope. And indeed, when I write, all this amuses me very much.”
-Ryukishi07
"When they cry , I laugh"
@@KUNAIfever literally Ryukishi07 in a nutshell.
I think I have a meme print of this quote with some parts censored that reads something like "... A story should be really cruel, pure despair. All of this amuses me very much."
The game where no magic is needed to make it so horrified. The cruelest game called truth.
Can I just say, Bernkastel's theme, the executioner, is a straight up banger of a track. There's no way not to get hyped when it plays as Will storms in to save Lion. ZTS went over the top with the OST, and I love it.
Also rip Yukari Tamura's voice after all that laughing.
"Illusions...to Illusions...The promised reaper lowers the curtains on the tale regardless of the witch's will."
it didn't matter who the culprit (witch) was because the night ended in tragedy regardless of culprits intentions.
45:45 "I wonder what Rudolf and Kyrie are thinking about this right now" famous last words
Its gonna be weird seeing this series end, it was so cool seeing someone's reaction as it happens and not in a review later.
It's been one hell of a ride, that's for sure
yea, there are few other youtubers playinh as well, pretty slow but you can try to watch them.
There's a theory that Kyrie intentionally acted like this in front of Eva in the duel, to trigger the reversed psychology thinking and making Eva care about Ange in case if she'll lose. Chessboard thinking, you know?
Call me coward, but I actually want to believe into this rather then in the fact that Kyrie didn't liked her daughter at all
I could believe it. It is obvious that she's holding back her true feeling at that moment since she didn't react to the news her husband, someone we've been shown she cares about greatly, had died. It's not a stretch to think she's lying about her feelings about Angie.
I think Kyrie intented to lose and die because Rudolf has died. Maybe she couldn't bear the thought of living without him.
@@killallbots1012 I don't think she was intending to lose, but there's a good chance she used the reverse psycology trick in case she lost.
@@killallbots1012 i always just thougth that she went out of bullets lol.
35:05 what Will tells here is that the first victim, Shannon and the last victim, Kanon, are basiclly the same person, that's why the first and last rooms of the close loop murders "overlap". So in theory non of the Ushiromiya Family members truly ever saw Shannon and Kanon at the same time, probably it was just Sayo/Lion talking to herself/himself while playing as either Shannon or Kanon and the only ones that truly never saw Shannon and Kanon at the same time were the ones playing detectives, Battler and Will. So the answer to the loop killings is that Sayo/Lion played dead both as Shannon and Kanon, since Shannon was the first "corpse" found and Kanon the last one it would give time to Sayo to change from Shannon to Kanon and play death as both while the family found the other four corpses. So in theory everytime we see Shannon and Kanon die, or we are told one of them or both are dead, is just Sayo/Lion faking to be death in order to have an alibi to commit the murders.
I love this episode as the atmosphere of it is so different than all the previous ones. We already know a lot of the story and we’re here to just clean things up with Will. Also Will and Lion are literally the BEST i’m so glad they’re so part of the cast.
And I still love Kyrie.
I never like Kirie and thIs make it even easyer to hate her More.
18:07 Lady U.N Owen, a 495 year old witch is another Touhou reference, U.N owen is also a reference to a detective book named "Ten little N......" or more well know as "And Then There Were None"
Funny enough, i first heard of U.N Owen though Touhou
Oh man, I just wanted to metion Touhou. It's totaly unrelated, but actualy Umineko got me to into Touhou music in 2014. After chapter 7 of Umineko I was searching for U.N Owen and I found "U.N. Owen was her? 1st Anniversary Remix" by EastNewSound. Few years later Im total maniac of Touhou music with thousands of listening (My last fm profile is Krruchy).
I was totaly unaware of this before, I realized it trough watching @The August Hail video, I quickly checked my last fm profile and I checked the first time of listening of U.N. Owen was her? -1st Anniversary Remix" and date totaly match with time I was near completion of the VN.
I also have one thing I want to metion for @The August hail, be he need to wait until he upload last chapter
28:50 The writing was shown in Episode 4 when Ange was visiting Kumaswa's son.
George said this too in Eps 2: "...Umm, I think it went 'm', 'b', 't', 'q', so, umm, umm... how many did that mean, I think... umm... umm... Anyways, this is incredible. " Maria also tell Battler to "learn English" at that moment.
Love how these vids have gone from 16 mins to an hour haha. Hopefully you've enjoyed this series as much as we all have watching this. Looking forward to the finale!
I love how clever umineko is. That clock which kept getting larger was just a feature of the game i thought but it turns out to be such a crucial point in the game. A wonderfully written story
Could you explain clock getting larger?
when i first saw ep1 summarized in 16min i was sad. but now i can see umineko deserves this lengtg.
@@gamerx1133 oh I phrased that poorly. I meant that when playing umineko, the clock sort of serves as a way to indicate the end of a scene. You see it getting larger as it gets closer to midnight. As a reader, I sort of took it as a way to bridge scenes together and tell the reader that we are transitioning. However, as you see in ep 7, the clock actually has a huge significance as it is connected to the bombs and that the clock is both a way to bridge scenes, but it is also basically in your face telling you that we are getting closer to the explosion. Hopefully that made sense
After finishing the series without giving a straight answer for who the culprit is, a couple of readers complained.
As a result, in the 8th episode of the manga there are 3 chapters called "confession of the golden witch". If you absolutely want a straight answer to whodunnit, read those (they can be read after episode 7).
Also, there is a youtube video by Warudo Chaos that explains all the murders from the 1st to 4th episode without any of the magic-confusion. It's a great watch if you can't figure out the individual riddles.
It really mind boggles me just how many people completely missed the point of Episode 8. I can understand feeling some negative emotions after Episode 7 with its rolecoaster of twists, but how in the world is it even possible to get through the last ten-fifteen hours of Umineko and still complain? The game *literally* beats you over with its message with zero subtlety - it is impossible to miss if you have even half of a working brain. So many blind goats, man, so many blind goats... The Confessions of the Golden Witch (or whatever it's called) is a fucking travesty that never should have existed in the first place, and I dislike Ryukishi a tiny bit for caving in to the will of the dumb masses.
(Just to clarify, I have nothing against you personally for simply recommending the Confessions. This is more of a general response, because I will never stop being butthurt over the Episode 8 manga)
Also there's a fanmade VN adaptation of Confession of the Golden Witch and all the exclusive parts of the manga. I strongly suggest reading it (only after finishing the 8th Episode though) if you prefer the VN format instead of manga. Of course there's no voiceover in this fanmade VN though.
@@leatherfasesin7717 You must really hate Erika then, by what I can gather.
@@pluubooruu It is quite the opposite, actually. I absolutely adore Erika and consider her to be one of the most important characters in Umineko in terms of its themes on par with Ange, more so than even Battler or Beatrice. She is a very deliberate and not-so-subtle critique of those readers who completely disregard magic side of the story in favour of mystery, ignoring "the heart" in their search for The Single Truth.
Erika is a perfect antithesis to the themes of the story (note how she is the only character in the game who has a rebuttal to the "without love it cannot be seen" with her "because of love we see things that aren't actually there") and also a very important lesson from Ryukishi. She is specifically written in such a way to make you hate her, and that hate should motivate you to not be like her. To reject her heartless reasoning that values only cold facts, and consider feelings and emotions of various characters. To strive to understand your opponent instead of blindly crushing them just because they oppose you. To search a different kind of truth - one that doesn't ignore "the heart".
Erika fulfills her role perfectly, and because of this - surprise, surprise - she is my favorite character in all of Umineko. But there is a huge difference between her and the Confession of The Golden Witch. The former falls in line with the message of the story, serving as its anthithesis, while the latter goes completely against it because some dumb people didn't learn how to read properly. Opening the cat box is a big taboo - there is a good fucking reason why the visual novel never does this, even when you heartlessly reject what it has been trying to teach you for the last sixteen hours. This was a deliberate choice by the writers, and the fact that they went against their own correct decision because of stupid complaints from the readers annoys me to no end.
Kanon was the key to the whole mystery. Only once you make the connection do the pieces start to fall in place.
Unfortunately, I misunderstood that line as part of Shannon's delusions of Kanon's arrival. I didn't even know I was supposed to take that line literally until after I looked up the spoilers post ep 8.
Re-reading this will be fruitful, since I can already see there were hundreds of hints and easter eggs littered absolutely everywhere.
Imagine writing an answer arc as perfect as this and then making something like Sotsu unironically.
Higurashi's answers arcs have always been unambiguous.
Implying that gou was good in the first place.
@@ssjokg4952 There were a few things I liked in Gou anime but yeah, it mostly sucked.
Manga's better though, both pacing and execution wise. And there are even some good changes to the plot there (or rather it sticked closer to original for all we know). And some of those really dumb scenes aren't dumb at all there, like Onida/Watada/Tatarida endings.
That unfortunately most likely won't solve Satokowashi problems nor the most useless answer arcs but that's other topic lol
@@Kapibar completely agree.
And Sotsu decided to be recap filler and all new scenes are spoonfeeding us reveals and twists we already knew from Gou. And not just assumed stuff but things that were shown in the last episodes.
A shame really.
@@arthritis1999 yeah, except the big final Minagoroshi scene sorta happened in Neko, which still is a Question arc. And then we got Matsuri beginning as the very next arc, which I mean isn't that bad in concept as far as I'm concerned, but then we get to Sotsu answer arcs and not only did we know everything we needed to know to solve -damashi arcs anyway, but also there were no scenes that'd keep you invested emotionally at all like in Mea. Nor were there a moments where you were surprised; nothing invests you intelectually. There are no scenes that have any sort of hype either, except MAYBE wild west Mion-Satoko scene, but... Eh...
No surprises so far either with one exception with "Yamainu patrolling Mion's house" actually being police, which, well you got me Ryu, didn't think of that one.
And lets not even mention how many scenes they had to repeat.
Well, at least Teppei scenes are cool, I guess...
Just finished episode 8, cant wait for your video on it.
Kanon does "exist" though, as he has been witnessed by the "detective", Battler in the first 4 games, and Erika the 5th and 6th game. Also Willard in the 7th. (The person refered as "detective" here is the character of the arc that has an objective viewpoint. Also intersting to note is that even in game 5 and 6 we follow the view point of Battler and it is not objective in these games as he see Kinzo at one point)
The question though is, has Kanon and Shanon ever been witnessed TOGETHER by the detective?
Ohhhhh, hmmmm that could also possibly explain why Shannon refused to call over Kanon when she was speaking to Will..
@@TheAugustHail maybe she cant? because its not possible?
@@TheAugustHail Also you missed an important scene about lion getting flashback of shannon/beatrice survived after accident. she curses her body unable to love. she wishes she would have died. she calls such body as a body of furniture not capable of loving. implying she was severly injured causing mental and physical damage. This alone can be considered why she might murder but trust me you still havent figured out why.
One last hint, since battler is detective, he does see human beatrice in ep4 and it could not have been illusion. dont let ep2 ending confuse you where battler sees magic and all, just ignore that part for now (it doesnt break rules). my blue truth is, battler died before he entered kinzo's room and inside the room we are not shown battler pov but illusion since battler/detective is already dead. thats my fragile blue truth.
@@gamerx1133 Yes that's also a good point! Beato is seen by Battler at that point and it is a fact. I'll add something for the hint, you should remember that there is only 16 humans on the island (+1 for Erika when she is there) so if you combine this with the metaphor of the 6th game where Shanon, Kanon and Beatrice need a miracle of magic for their respective relationship to succed, and that when one of them win the others disappear, you should reach one conclusion.
Let's Go! time to bring some popcorn
The episode 7 manga explains everything.
I also suggest readin the entire episode 8 manga.
Thank you for a great playthrough so far. And your editing is top notch!
If you haven't read yet you really should read 'Golden Witch's Confession' you should to understand all Shanon Kanon stuff
26:50 HE DID IT! HE FINALLY GOT IT! OH LORDY HALLELUJAH!
The 3rd game murders was 90% done by Eva and Hideyoshi as her culprit until Kyrie took him out before her last breath. Only the 3rd game first twilight murders were done by Sayo.
George and Nanjo were as well.
It's really tragic. They didn't know the epitath was solved when they lured George to the parlour and gave him back a glimpse of Shannon before killing him, then left Eva the credit card number as an apology. Then they killed Nanjo and revived Kanon for Jessica - although she wasn't allowed to touch him, as he was still wearing a dress. And spent their last moments quietly sitting with her.
I can definitely say that up to this day, EP7 is still my fave ep of Umineko. I'm glad to have stumbled on your vid. It made me want to read the novel again
Hell yeah it's out. Thank you so much for the content once again.
aww, and here I was hoping that the Tea Party would be its own dedicated episode...
Will wait for your video of episode 8 to watch all of them. Don,t have the time to re read umineko all over again,but it will be a good reminder.
George ate the letter from battler because he's so fat.
/s
But really though, I do think George may have gotten rid of the letter Battler sent to Shannon or whoever.
You know, I don't think George would do that...but I can't completely deny it..
@@TheAugustHail Also, don't read the episode 8 manga until you've finished the VN and Saku.
Yasu personas are like NFTs of the Golden Witch
Great video August! I love following your reactions. Seeing reactions in highlight form is really convenient and fun. Thank you for putting the time in to edit these together. Though if you do any public streams somewhere, like Twitch, of your playthroughs I would like watch some of them.
P.S. I remember you asked about when the quadrillion written on the chapel was mentioned. It was during the second game at the time the first twilight was being discovered. It may have come up at another time, but that is the first instance I can remember.
ohhhhhhhhhh ep 8 lets goooooooo
top 10 shounen battles in this episode
lets be real he is gonna enjoy this one i can tell
Trust is really essential element between author and reader. You really need to know that all mysteries are solvable in umineko before just reading blind
God Yasu's life is AWFUL.
Who does she have that she can truly trust and rely on?
Genji and Kumasawa's love is... tinged with problems, Battler left, George is a steamroller, Jessica is too immature, her best friend Maria is... well, it's Maria...
Like damn, what a lonely and frustrating life. It's wonderful she was able to create as many happy memories as she did.
I love EP7 so much! Even tho Battler and Beato aren't technically there, Will and Lion stole the show xD, I adore those two. BTW After you're done with EP8, if you still want a straightforward answer, there's a fanmade VN adaptation of the exclusive parts of the manga here on RUclips ("Confession of the Golden Witch", "Cage of obligations" and "When the seagulls cry"). Read them ONLY after finishing EP8.
Man i love how you appreciate these osts, i didnt focus on them that much while reading the whole thing, and yeah i regret it, these osts are just out of the world
since then, i've been paying attention to the osts to things i read or watch😔🙌
P.S. I didnt solve the mystery until i was told by someone after eps 8 🤡
58:20 Will > Battler
Sorry Battler, I know Beatrice/Sayo loves you, but Will is truly the Prince that the Lion that turned into Beatrice always dreamt of, plus he was a better detective and solve all of Beatrice riddles.
*Edit: I search and it seems that Ryukishi revealed on the manga that Will and Lion were saved by Lambda (without Bern knowing). I might be wrong (correct me if I am) but It seems Lamda took them to the Golden Land, and there they became "partners" (They says is partners like Sherlock and Watson, but I would say there is more than just a friendship between them), so it makes me happy that at least this Lion was a to be happy with someone.
Will is the white knigh battler lacked, and took away lion/beatrice. Can we add NTR tag to answer arcs?
@@gamerx1133 Erika already added that tho
Definitely (!) make sure to read the 3 Confession of the Golden Witch chapters in the Episode 8 manga. They are amazing and explain some reeeaally important stuff you missed and/or didnt get.
The episode 7 manga part of the solutions provide clear answers, you got a lot wrong there as well but dont worry it was pretty vague after all.
1 hour OH YEAH
At this point, there are several scenes you can look back into with new insight.
The very first scene with Kinzo feels a bit different.
The whole thing with everything related to Kinzo's question in chapter 4 is worth checking.
There's that scene with Rosa versus the goat demons.
There are probably more but they don't come to my mind right now. ^^;
By the way, if you'd like to find out how the murders were done in detail I suggest reading chapters 37-38 of the episode 7 manga (and I also suggest whenever you do get to episode 8 that you read the manga after you finish the VN aswell since 60% of the content in the episode 8 manga is new and extremely good)
Will is basically Battler but badass
And competen'd
Also adds NTR tag to answer arcs.
@@gamerx1133 lmfao
I do believe Eva's reluctance to reveal the truth is largely self preservation on her part (since she's the one who kind of started the commotion within the siblings, she's also the one who shot first) instead of trying to protect Ange, but who knows!
Great series by the way. I just finished the series weeks ago and it's fun revisiting it and noticing the things i missed.
Without Love you can't see the truth.
Well your theories are as close as you can get with what you're given and there's also the fact that the game decieves you to think the culprit is alone and the culprit must be alive by the end. maybe read the manga portion of that for the actual truth and record/react to that? Also can't wait for episode 8, it's just as if umineko is a masterpiece and gets better every episode. Slight spoilers for episode 8
Umineko somehow has a war arc in it, and it's great
i expected for lion to have that voice
i cant wait for u to finish ep8
im saying this before reading episode seven (i'll be back once im done) but im ready to solve this damn riddle
This series was a blast. Must have been a pain to edit but I really hope you continue this format for other VNs
August... did you ever figure out the secrete to the duel and closed room in the 6th game? It sounds like you got very very close, but judging by your answers to the question arcs it appears you may be just short. Do you want a hint? It's as critical to the mystery as Kinzo's death, so I think it's worth knowing at this point.
I had attempted my answer in this video somewhere, but it wasn't that, please go ahead~ Haha
@@TheAugustHail you can read manga version of answers or watch video on youtube explaining all murders but that video is supposed to be watched once you know who and why to know how. as far as i know that video does not contain ep8 spoilera. maybe.
@@TheAugustHail But i highly suggest creating your own solution video first. you just need a little push to understand and you will be able to deduce what majoy keypoint you werw missing solving it.
Pretty sure he got it right in the video.
But yeah the answers for the first 4 games, he had a lot wrong, but I don't blame him, the answers were very vague. One answer in particular, is pretty f-ing difficult to figure out and you practically need to read again (after getting these answers) to figure it out.
@@TheAugustHail First of all so sorry for the late reply, RUclips doesn't notify me when someone responds to my comment for some reason lol. I rewatched the video to make sure I can respond properly.
As @pluubooruu mentioned, you basically got it correct at 27:00. The only bit I was unsure if you got comes from you referring to Kanon as an "illusion". Illusion usually refers to something spun up from the witch's reading of the tale, but as the detective is obligated to have an objective point of view they will not see this illusions. In all games with a detective, Battler in 1-4 and Erika in 5, Shannon is seen by the detective and Kanon is seen by the detective. Even if both aren't seen at the same time. So at times Kanon is an illusion as you suspect, but at times there is a physical Kanon. What I'm getting at is also why people were able to see Beatrice in games 2 and 4. (Remember Battler the piece does talk to her.)
Sorry if I"m being confusing.
if the VN's,ans is still too vague for anyone, I suggest look up the manga version of episode 7 and 8, which left no ambiguity.
The manga version of ep 7 actually tells you the answers for the question arcs , you can probably find a video about it on youtube
I’ve got to second what a lot of people have said on reading the Episode 8 manga-I think it’ll make a lot of things clearer for you
Bern is truly a pest i love her
You say in the video that Eva was "lucky" that she wasn't killed. There is another explanation of how she survived against Kyrie. Think about why Kyrie said what she said and turn the chessboard around.
She was lucky the first time he intended.
36:17 How can we be shown magic if there are several survivors of the event?
Hey August, love ur videos. Can u give some recommendations like sugar style, fureraba or making lovers? I'm new to the VN world and would like ur advice.
Check out my reviews! I've covered all of those in depth!
I'm over here thinking
Wow Natsuhi is probably the most reasonable adult there
yeesh that sucked XD
Baby Yeeter Natsuhi? I dunno about that.
Hideyoshi?
16:25 The true Friendship :')
Why does the video keep saying, “No stream” 😢😭
SPOILERS
34:40 BRUH you cant fake a hole in your head
You're pretty close with your theories, but I would like to add two particular thoughts for you to consider. One has already been brought up; that is, that Shannon and Kanon are never witnessed together. Kanon is witnessed, and Shannon is witnessed, but they never occupy the same space. The second is the way Will exposes the truth in each twilight. When he says illusions to illusions, he's saying that there's an inherent falsehood in the murder. For instance, when addressing Kinzo's burned corpse in episode one, he says that. However, he also says earth to earth. This refers to crimes that, aside from odd storytelling, are presented in a way that makes sense. For instance, he uses this when talking about the murders in Natsuhi's room in the second arc. All the people in the room are dead; it's true, despite any claims of magic or any creative liberties taken in portraying their deaths. When he uses both together, he's referring to events that did happen, but were obscured by the storytelling and Beatrice's objective to make it seem like magic was real the whole time. When talking about most of arc 4, he says this, which is to mean that these people were brutally murdered, just that the way it was presented was inherently wrong. Also, keep in mind the red truths concerning who's alive at the end of every arc. In many of these theories I see that you claim the killer played dead, however the red truth proclaims at multiple intervals exactly who is alive on the island currently, especially in the fourth arc, where it's explicitly stated that Battler is all alone on the island. You seem to have ruled out the possibility of the killer killing themselves, and that's a mistake because we're shown here that the killer gave themselves up to fate entirely. If they needed to end their own life to preserve the mystery, so be it.
Also! When Bernkastel proclaimed in red "This is all the truth" she was cut off. In order for that statement to be said in red (and what she intended to say) it was supposed to be "This is all the truth of a sort."
If you dont read the episode 7 manga (10/10) watch warudo chaos video on the mystery answers. cause episode 8 assumes you know
I couldnt really understand who is the culprit and what the reason for that. (i regret reading all the answers for who and how dunnit, if you do care about umineko, just try thinking as much as possible). My best theory for that is if Yasu became witch then she couldn't exist in first place and here's Shannon or Sayo + Yasuda left as the real-world human. But here's also Kanon who was the "gift from Yasu-witch". It might've been just another metaphor or a real event where he existed as real human. His case is harder for me tbh. But there's a big chance that I wouldn't understand both of cases by myself lol. Maybe there's not enough love in me :)
P.s.
What do you think guys?
From here on, Shannon and Beatoricce are the culprits. This entire chapter creates my blue truth. :)
Oh.. their motive..? BATTLER'S LOVE.
Love is like a drug. Once you taste it, you get addicted. You'll never forget that bittersweet taste, and start going crazy for it.
Lion is saber
Will is the best
The manga version better explains what happened in the previous games without the vague metaphors!
Lion I don’t think Leon
Hello :)
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Furniture cannot fuck
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Play dies irae.
Definitely should after this. He'll love that game. Dlcs even better. Bad news is that the sequel will never be translated and we will never get a new one. Parent company went under.
@@ThatGuy-en2nn yeah, sadly. Maybe one day we’ll get a group of fans to translate K3 but I doubt it. But yeah he’ll definitely like dies Irae, just like I inked it has really OP characters but with more action and godly OST’s, art work and etc.
Wait, is that . . . I think I understand now how the deaths can be illusions. . . Spoilers, but only for the tea party of this episode.
So as we know, without moderately large bombs, it cannot be seen. But something interesting happens in the tea party. Kyrie says that, right now, she can hear the cousins laughing upstairs, and that an observer wouldn't understand that statement. Only one inside this cat box could understand.
Magic has to match a result. As long as the result can be met, you can dress up the truth with any illusion you want. So, if the truth of the cat box is that "when the seagulls cry, none are left alive," (ignoring Eva for the sake of not having an explanation for that specifically) then since they are dead by 24:00 on October 5th, they can be killed at any point within this cat box. So the crimes themselves can be illusions, and even Yasu can die before the tenth twilight, but the result would still match. So in the witch's game, magic can embellish that result to look like a bunch of closed room murders. This is probably the answer, I think, to how most of the twilights can be illusions, according to Will.
The next game is really crazy and non sense
Thats what my friend also said 😂
but it sure is wholesome, and 'beautiful', in a word
Lion is a girl with turner syndrome, who got proper medical care but still has some puberty issues. Sayo didn't get the help throughout her growth and had worse hormonal issues.
Turner syndrome delays puberty to your twenties (Sayo is only 19), happens only to women and is more prevalent in case of incest. Which this case clearly is. Nanjo a japanese doctor. Even now, the trans issue is controversial in japan. He's a japanese doctor in the 60s. Performing a sex reassignment surgery on a baby is definitely not something within his skill set.
I find it very unlikely for a family physician to know of the proper procedure (a vaginoplasty), apply it on a near death baby and getting it magically right. That would be an even bigger miracle than baby Sayo surviving the fall off a cliff. A vaginoplasty also requires some medical maintenance over time which of course wasn't given. Therefore, the idea that the baby from 19 years ago aka Sayo being a biological boy kinda falls flat. The idea of Sayo developing the idea of she being "furniture" is likely due to having received the news that she couldn't have children, when she had plans to start a family with George.
Also, she also because of the aforementioned turner syndrome and puberty delays, Sayo developed some gender dysphoria and thought that crossdressing as a guy was a good idea, which she ended kinda discarding the idea of love with Jessica since her strongest identity was always Shannon, the development with George was much stronger and the fact that she didn't feel comfortable with Jessica as proven in nearly every interaction between Kanon and Jessica that doesn't involve magic.
Also The manga version of ep 8 is better the visual novel version because it has confession of the golden witch and they switch out a scene that fan didn't like and added more scenes that give a proper conclusion
Nah, it retcons Ange's story arc entirely.
Nah, it isn't. The VN already has a proper conclusion with a great message to boot. Nothing else was needed. Completely changing things just to pander to some dumb "fans" who somehow missed the entire point of Episode 8 doesn't make the manga-version better in any way.
@@leatherfasesin7717 Because people want concrete answers doesn't make them dumb , some just want to see if their theory was right . I did like the open minded ness and we didn't get spoon feed in the visual novel but i felt some parts were too vague which made people confuse.
It's one of the reasons I believe that author let the reader choose an ending even though with the theme of story it 's obvious which is canon.
@@MrBernkastel2 I didn't call those people dumb because they wanted concrete answers. I called them dumb because they completely missed the point of Episode 8.
Umineko, like any good story, has a certain lesson that it wants to teach to its readers. You can either agree or disagree with this lesson depending on your own personal views, but you *do not* get to complain about it. "I disagree with it" does not equal "this is bad" - sorry for stating the obvious. If the message was successfully delivered (which it was) and the story itself supports this message (which it does), then this particular work of fiction did its job well. The rest is up for debate, but this much is certain. So, no matter whether you accept or reject the moral lesson of Episode 8, saying that "this Episode sucked" even though it perfectly followed up on all of Umineko's major themes is kinda dumb, not gonna lie.
I don't really know the exact reactions the fans had at the time of the VN's original release, so calling them stupid might be a bit unfair on my part, I admit. However, I was mostly talking about more "modern" fans: the people who think that manga-version is better simply because it straight up tells you the answer, totally ignoring the thematical clusterfuck this creates. Those who *only* care about knowing the truth, disregarding the "heart"; for whom nothing else matters.
I'am Happy that Rudolf and Kirie die but sad that Eva Survived she should die like the Rest