What I think is even better about the Excalibur scene is that he doesn't even know the reason why he can't get it out if the stone. He couldn't even be bothered to do research on the artifact he was stealing.
@@StonedHunter I mean he was able to use it REGARDLESS because MY GOD that thing was a PRETY effective weapon while still in the stone. Also fun fact the stone REASSEMBLES after it's hysterical.
As an added detail on the empathy part, Jack didn't kill those baby unicorns. If you pay attention to his cart, It's being drawn by unicorns that have their horns broken off and are jagged. Jack didn't just kill them for their horns. He mutilated them, then enslaved them.
He's definitely competent in some regard. You can't amass that level of magic artifacts, get all those criminal connections, AND run a successful pie business on the side ig your a total idiot.
To be fair, he did inherit that business from his parents, so they probably did the bulk of the work and he has so far managed to not run it into the ground.
Considering he actually runs a very successful pie business and tests all the pies himself to make sure they're good. I'd say he's fairly responsible if only to himself
There's a small tidbit on the horses he uses on the carriage: They have cut off horns, so those are probably the fully grown baby unicorns he got the horns from, so he didn't actually kill them(but he might've killed the other unicorns since those are a ton of unicorn horns, or maybe he kept them on the back).
The part about delayed gratification hit me hard. I was diagnosed with combined type ADHD at 8, and that has been one of the most difficult parts of dealing with it. The need/want to just gain a skill instantaneously but always failing to do so and then becoming crippled with self-doubt because of it has killed almost all of my hobbies.
I know your pain, I'm not diagnosed with anything but I think that's because my school was terrible with helping kids with that stuff. All their focus was on how well the sports teams preformed that year, everything else was barely even a afterthought, I wouldn't be surprised if I have some form of neurodivergent but at this point I feel silly getting tested because it won't do anything. I'm not a kid anymore
@Scarlet Jester I would 100% recommend getting tested regardless. Even if you're not in school or a kid, getting diagnosed and treated for something, if you do end up having something, will increase your quality of life immensely.
One of the things that makes Jack a personal favorite villain is how self-aware he is! There’s no trying to make excuses to how he is, no delusions, no twists. He’s just outright evil, he knows it and owns it.
Don't know if it counts as irresponsiblity, but Jack is actually very incompetent at using magic artifacts, mostly because he can't be asked to try to learn them.
I made a fairly detailed comment on why I think this counts, since even if you didn't take away any of his other traits, if he really wanted to achieve his goal of killing everyone and getting his wish, he could have been much more efficient with the way he used his resources, it's a very twisted sense of responsibility that would be required to do evil efficiently, but he lacks even the most basic foresight to try and make the most of his resources, because by the end, he ends up killing almost all of his own men, wasting all of his magic, and flagrantly discards anything he brought with him whenever it's convenient without considering how it could help him in the long run. The most effective and terrifying villains understand, if you want to win, you need to be responsible, efficient, and understand the value of things you can't relate to. It's the difference between Jack Horner throwing all his men and stuff away because he can't foresee the consequences of his actions, and someone like the Joker knowing how to cause the most chaos by torturing a single person to cause the most chaos. The most dangerous villains, real or fictional, are the ones who know how to see the bigger picture, which develops a very twisted form of responsibility which still aligns with their own malicious personalities.
Idk, he seems to use them pretty well. Like a person who buys a flamethrower and only uses the pilot light to toast marshmallows. Technically you are using it wrong, but it still works
Thank you for clarifying that not everyone with low empathy (or a different way of expressing empathy) is a bad person or destined to be evil. I have ASD and get called a sociopath all the time because I come off ‘cold’ and and anti-social.
Something else I see a lot is people who get called "Cold" and "Unfeeling" in most forms of media are called that not due to being unable to have empathy, but rather because they either don't know how to express themselves like other people OR they have low empathy resulting in trouble relating to others. That's why most of them have "character growth" that's them learning how to express themselves/understand others better.
@@ceinwenchandler4716 they might be talking about autism, which is clinically referred to as autism spectrum disorder, or ASD the acronym ive usually heard for antisocial personality disorder is ASPD
I like dichotomy between Jack and Pinocchio. While both of them have Jiminy by their sides, one is an object becoming a real boy while the other is a real boy becoming a monster! While also being super envious of Pinocchio, he don’t realise that he’s the problem and not the circumstances of his birth. I speculate the reason why he’s envious of Pinocchio and feel outshined by him is because Pinocchio is a being made of magic, so if he can have all the magic in the world he can truly feel special and the only one who’s special that he can finally outdo Pinocchio
I am a sociopath, mostly due to childhood trauma and perhaps a bit of genetic disposition, but due to the relatively stable and positive home I grew up in, I have managed to find ways to deal with the darker and more damaging impulses I have. One of which is steady employment: I would get bored at jobs very easily, and quit before a year was up, with no real thought to my next job, as long as I had a little money in the bank. It's taken me a while, but Ive managed to not only keep a job for two years now (longest so far), but it's actually becoming a higher paying career. I've also avoided commiting any serious crimes, and have never even seen the back seat of a police car.
@@ulfdydager I'm an industrial maintenance tech. The vast majority of what I deal with are cold, soulless machines- much like myself. ;) While I can be very glib and sociable if I need to, the nights where I don't say a single word to anyone are by far my favorites. I greatly prefer my solitude. I don't think my sociopathy really affects my job all that negatively, beyond maybe I should talk to the operators a little bit more to get more info about what issues they're having. But then again, it's the night shift, so it's not like there's many people around anyways.
I just realized something; is the reason we only see death chasing after Puss a handful of times during this because he's too busy cleaning up after Jack's "downsizing"? 😂 Also, should I be concerned I found the irony of the midas touch and the whole "if I can't pull the sword from the stone I'll just hit people with the stone" as totally plausible and acceptable ideas 😂 the one is efficient and the other is just good improvational skills.
I have aphantasia and have no conscious ability to create images, nor do I have any auditory or other senses in my mind. The best way I can describe it is that I just know what I remember and when I think it's a silent thought with no voice, no picture, just blank understanding.
i never think and all these options. I do. Then restore repair my mess. Ah yeah. Is because i am engineer and thinking as engineer since 5 year old. 🧐😐 Is a little funny 😐
i never think and never do all these options you all mention. I do. Then restore and repair my mess. Ah yeah. Is because i am engineer and thinking as engineer since 5 year old. 🧐😐 Is a little funny 😐 😶
Its just great how, he KNOWS he's an asshole He just doesn't care. His death scene "What did I do to deserve this?..... I mean what specificially" Talking with Jimminy "You're a monster! What took you so long! Idiot" He fully knows that what he's doing is wrong and he's a monster for doing it. But he just delights in it. As much as I love the 3 dimensional, justified, villain. Jack is the perfect example of the just pure evil villain
As much as I agree about wanting a vid on Goldie and the Bears... I personally really wanna see you cover Kitty Softpaws especially since in the first Puss movie we learn about WHY she has soft paws and trust issues. I just find her to be a cool character and her own growth of learning to trust people again I think is often underrated
This episode just made me realize something! You never analysed Handsome Jack from the Borderlands series! The world needs it ASAP! I need it ASAP! Great video, as always, thank you for the content!
What’s there to analyze, he’s the hero and you’re the bad guy. A planet full of gun nuts and drug addicted psychopaths, and they’re trying to open ancient vaults and gain super weapons. He is trying to stop you all while everyone, even the people you hurt, are laying down stones for you to walk. He has to stop you, he’s seen what happens if he doesn’t and it’s driving him insane. Not much to analyze, just the lengths and depths someone is willing to go to just because they feel it’s right.
I never considered Hack to be sociopathic. But yeah, that actually fits really well. Especially when it's presented by one such as yourself who actually knows these things.
My sister is sociopathic, but because she wants to get better, she does. My sister has made incredible improvement and has learned so much. I'm very proud. Meanwhile, I'm super empathic and have synesthesia, we see the world in drastically different ways. I learned how to be unbiased from her, and she learned empathy from me.
My only experience with sociopaths has been abuse and or predatory behaviour, A lot of people I know were permanently destroyed in some form or capacity by sociopathic abusers So it's hard for me to view them as anything other than inhuman monsters who prey on people like cattle or use them like tools. But I wonder if a positive and supportive personal life or home structure is the factor that makes them curb themselves and want to make it work?
@@mckenzie.latham91 that, and there are very different connotations carried by the terms sociopath and psychopath, compared to just "person with ASPD". they seem to _imply_ some sort of moral depravity that the diagnosis alone doesn't
This just my uneducated guess: The way I see it rage can be called a "pseudo" emotion as it is not a base emotion and is instead born out of another emotion like love or fear as a sort of negative reaction.
Empty rage, the kind that comes from a fabricated injustice rather than an actual one. It's not even remotely close to the feeling of being genuinely impassioned by something.
I sort of feel that the Shrek franchise is going back to it's roots with Jack being an over-the-top pure villain in response to all the "Twist Villains" and overdone Villain redemptions
Me, with diagnosed ASPD, sitting here watching and barely having noticed Jack's symptoms: Oh! I forgot about these traits (that I also display)! I mean honestly I can see how he'd end up this way, I myself COULD'VE ended up like that so. I get it actually
I think something that could have been analyzed a bit more is how other people's positive emotions and energy have absolutely no effect on Jack. It was shown that people do like his pies, but their enjoyment of his product has absolutely no impact on his state of mind. Course the two women who thought of him as famous he downplayed as well. Jack seems to be a high functioning sociopath since it seems that his Baker's dozen respected him enough to sacrifice themselves for him, which has the implication that he does want the best for himself and to get that best you do need to treat the people you want well enough that they stick around. Probably makes him a ruthless capitalist who has zero problem with firing people who aren't up to the task, but is smart enough to do what is necessary to keep the capable people around. He certainly doesn't express any malice towards he considers part of his group, just a lot of indifference. Would have been interesting to see how Jack would have reacted to one of his bakers quitting. I think he would be more likely to wave them off saying "Whatever" as opposed to any kind of emotional reaction.
Most who’ve seen the movie probably already noticed, but I had only just noticed that Jack was the only one who didn’t touch the map before getting to the star. Puss, Kitty, Perrito, and Goldi were the only ones who touched it and we saw what their paths to the star looked like. I do wonder if Jack touched the map what would his path have looked like and entailed? What do you think?
You might have a fun time digging into the psychology of some anime. I know the Fate franchise is a horse that has been beaten to death, dissected, studied, reassembled, and then beaten into paste, but with as many different branches to it there are tons of neat characters and circumstances to evaluate. Others would be Steins;gate, a wonderful mess of the masks people wear and the trauma they cope (or don't) with. The Ancient Magus' Bride is also good as it stars a suicidally depressed girl finding value in herself and life, and an ancient inhuman magical creature learning what it means to be human, how to be human himself (instead of just the surface trappings of humanity), and indeed the things about himself that he never even realized he shared with humanity (it was a particularly hard lesson when he realized that he was capable of jealousy and only realized it after doing some truly heinous things because of it).
I don't have any diagnosis, but I'm practically like a hermit. I enjoy my solitude and alone time and don't really like going anywhere. I'll still socialize, but really only with my immediate family or through online things like Discord. I'm not including work here because though I enjoy it at times thanks to my coworkers, it's more of something I have to do than want to do. My personality here might also come from growing up in a small mountainous area with a town population of around or under 2000. Though, now that I think about it, it might actually come from something else, a past trauma with a "friend". Basically he broke my trust and betrayed me when we were kids and I kind of shut myself away as a result.
I love that "don't you know I'm dead inside?" line. I just love how he's so unapologetically bad. He was hilarious and intimidating. "You're gonna shoot a puppy?!" "Yeah, _in the face,_ why? >:)"
The Bridge scene was more irresponsible in my opinion. Being wasteful of resources is wrong regardless of doing good or evil. Unless you are purposely wasting to be evil in that way. But that lost can't be your stuff and people.
Jack is definitely driven, but he does not care about the consequences of his actions so technically he takes responsibility because he sees no reason to be ashamed of what he does
For patterns of irresponsibility: He runs a successful pie factory and yet insists on contaminating the product on a regular basis and shows a consistent pattern of abandoning responsibilities in pursuit of a powerful magical object. Presumably that's how he got hid collection in the first place.
When I clicked in this video I thought it would be just like other psychology video where they would demonize the disorder quoted instead of explaining it. But I was wrong. It was actually really educational and entertaining to watch. And it was nice to see actual people with ASPD making comments in here. I was questioning lately if I have the disorder due to some reasons and it's no wonder why I found Jack so funny/relatable at some scenes. I'm also glad you made it clear in the beginning that having low empathy doesn't imply that someone is inherent bad. Loved the video so far :)
It's funny tbh, Horner is so hated and feared by everyone in the movie but we love him because it's refreshing to see a cartoon villain be completely irredeemable and actually evil.
I think what’s fun about Jack Horner is that if the thieves seeked out the map but said that it’s useless because people went and made their wish already, his attitude will likely be: “Well that blows. But what are you going to do. Here, have the Midas Touch, for your troubles (one thief turns to gold, he dismisses them). I guess I’ll keep getting my magic by hand, print out more fliers to get scouts bringing that stuff to me. Let’s get that next batch of pie ready, we have quitas to meet. Another wonderful day at the Plum Thumb Bakery!”
Horner, such a refreshing villain because of how unsympathetic he is. Speaking of which. Now that the series is over, what are the chances of you examining Belos from the Owl House? I would imagine that there would be quite the discussion in examining his psyche from both a professional and historical context
The way you got around the copyright with the movie clips was super smart, by desaturating the colours it’s made me want to go rewatch the movie to see how beautiful the movie was again
The caretaker thing kind of got to me. Im sometimes jealous of how much investment others can put in people. Im generally analytical and stuck in my own head.
Show and Tell for Consciences, I’ll start: My conscience is a train of thought, and sometimes the morality aspect of it comes careening in to interject with the train of thought that needs conscientious evaluation. Sometimes those moments when it comes in activate the sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous systems: Either the gut-punch of realizing you made a bad choice, or the peace and calm that comes from doing the right thing, making the world that little bit better.
I think I'm one of those negative people, and I am honestly curious about the alternatives proposed. Learning to be positive seems like an attempt at self-delusion to me. I don't WANT to be negative, I just see so many negative things that others don't, or choose to ignore. Trying to tell ourselves that everything is hunky-dory and we are all lovely and valid and all that stuff might seem appealing until you have to face the consequences of ignoring the sad state of the world around us. We suck. The world sucks. And the first step of fixing that is to acknowledge it. There has to be, at the very least, a happy medium. The mythical realist.
So at around 8:40 when she talks about Jack being somewhat responsible and also letting things go I would disagree. Jack has a goal and that goal is to obtain all the magic. So in Jack's mind killing people or letting his people die as well as exhausting his resources in an attempt to achieve infinity more is what makes him irresponsible/evil.
I think I get what she means about the irresponsibility thing. Because while the majority of Jack's actions can be deemed irresponsible, if you look at it from the context of his overall plan and how he goes about getting it, then it's a different story. He's responsible in the sense that he knows exactly what must be done to achieve his goal, how to get it done, and is more than willing and able to pass whatever obstacles prevent him from meeting this quota.
Hi. I heard it from someone on youtube it doesn t come from me. Valid points that highlight jack story. He s remorseless and people think it s a breath of fresh air with all the villain with tragic backstory. Well actually had one too. Let s look at the clues. First he said he had great upbringing to the cricket, family, fortune, mansion , golden spoon in hus mouth. Yet we can see in his own flashback He had a hard time making money. Worse , pinoccio was taking his clients. He said perrito he sxdead inside. We can see it s true along the movie. His goal is: get all the magic in the world. Not being the most powerful magic caster. Simply take all to himself. Which explai what happen: Jack has no magic. In a world where magic make you whole, make you special Jack hasxto survive in this condition. Meaning he hates himself for being ordinary and is obscessed to get magic. That broke him. Once he get all, only him would be special.
There’s a key part to ASPD that’s being overlooked here: is the impairment or stress he suffers clinically significant? He’s not impaired, he’s physically strong (not fit but not necessary), he’s a wildly successful entrepreneur, he has hobbies (poaching and hunting baby animals doesn’t warrant an ASPD symptom. Like disorder diagnosis, multiple occurrences of something consistent with the general condition is needed), and he’s perfectly content login the way he’s living. ASPD would not be the diagnosis here
With Jack Horner and levels of a responsibility he let the Phoenix go he dropped Excalibur and didn't go back for it things like that eventhough they are his treasures. Even though you can argue that his and the goal is to have all magic would supersede his material little forms of magic, you would think that after all of his efforts and retrieving these artifacts that they would have some value to him
One thing I feel is weirdly absent in the entertainment industry is the sociopathic evil character and/or the self-centered evil character. I love irredeemable villains that push our hero or heroine to their absolute limits to the point that the audience is anxious as to whether or not the good guy is gonna win. Jack Horner is one such character who recognizes his flaws, sees them as his strengths, and refuses to redeem himself because he doesn't really see a good reason to do so.
I'm pretty sure that aphantasia, synesthesia and lack of an inner monologue do not correlate at all to sociopathic behavior. Also, example in fiction of a character lacking an inner monologue: Buzz Lightyear.
I love Jack - if every villain where like him, he'd probably get dull and boring, but in a movie like this with other 'villains' with more complex motivations, he works very well - it also helps they constantly tease the idea that Jack might turn good or at least show some reason he's so god damned evil. And then nope it.
What if we have like 50 inner voices arguing with each other about everything. Like should I go to the bathroom upstairs or downstairs? 30 minute debate later, both bathrooms are occupied so you have to go in a cup.
I think the not paying bit, I think it’s more of he was going to pay them both, but the red head annoying one brought up a bad memory and insulted his nursery rhyme, so he got revenge and still paid the other girl her share. I mean, you don’t keep getting magic items if the messengers keep getting killed off, they would just stop eventually.
I dunno if I have synesthesia, but I often see or feel some kind of imagery or texture in certain situations, especially when I am sensing people's mood. It's part of the reason often the way I explain how someone feels like is through imagery, color, texture, if I am allowed to do so. I know some people cannot understand the way I explain things that way, so I use more common? adjectives or more easily recgonized imageries like an angry baby or baby cow mooing for mama.
10:15 As someone having that level of malignent negativity... that was hurtful... welp at least I felt something today, good night everyone! But for seriousness tho, I have that kind of negativity and when I talk to people and they ask me how I am usually just tell them "Do you want to traumatize yourself by listening to my problems like several people before, or do you just want to see me act happy? and be honest, because shit's going to hit the fan if you choose the first option." Just as a relation, I have fallen off 1-2 floors and it was one of my happier bad memories, because I only broke an arm and there were no feelings or depression related. I swear, if I had to break 1 limb every few years, BUT never be depressed and have apathy or whatever pros call it, I would break 2, just to be sure. The only way this is manageable is to put up a mask. That's it. I lost a few friends by telling them my problems. Seeing them not care, etc. was even worse tho... favourite moment "we will meet again and have hugs, etc.!" that was the last word I heard from them... they are not dead or anything, just ghosted me...
Antisocial person here: I hate you all but I'll play ball with society for as long as I can benefit from it, don't worry general masses, I'm no danger to anyone. Gotta love the representation with Jack, we need more of my people in movies.
Every time I hear someone tell me to think positive my eyes try to examine the inside of my skull for that magic little switch that makes all the impending horror in our immediate future look like a grand day at a theme park.
Would be interesting to see you do a psychology of video on Bowser in the Mario movie. Just seems like how he's a dark, cruel, and tempered warlord whom yet also has his own soft side most of the time when Princess Peach is involved, and the themes of obsession and rejection there, would be interesting to see you cover especially after this vid. Just my thought.
Annoying correction, that hilarious bug is truly the Moral bug, and not Jiminy Cricket, as that character is licensed by Disney. With his accent he's a play off of Jimmy Stewart, and an obvious parody to Jiminy Cricket. His name while under development was 'Jiminy Stewart'. I fucking love any scene the Moral bug is in. What an amazing movie
On having a conscience/inner voice. I always thought that was just a metaphor. I have aphantagia, so it's just my own thoughts Tngent, I've always wondered how aphantasia interacts with schizophrenia? My sister and I had a lot of the same mental health issues and pre-cursors for schizophrenia. She got a lot worse once the hallucinations became more vivid. I never had any hallucinations and eventually got a hold on my paranoia/delusional thoughts.
I think this is a perfect opportunity to say that we need to say empathy is probably not a spectrum, but a complex group of models we use to understand other people and creatures. There is nothing illogical about sociopathic behavior, it is very useless if you don't have leverage over each and every person around us but not necessarily illogical. Same goes to people that we understand as very empathetic. Empathetic behavior is not illogical even if you live in a position where consequences of bad actions go mostly unpunished.
because I don't have an inner voice, the idea of it always came off as simply a metaphor for just... thinking. To me it's baffling to think people actually see images in their head, hear a voice in their head, and they are being literal. The only time I see or hear anything is when I am dreaming or the handful of times I have had hallucinations, quite notably musical hallucinations when I am trying to fall asleep. It's just an interesting thought, realizing that everyone comprehends the world differently and all the information around you, is not processed in the same way between one person and another.
What I think is even better about the Excalibur scene is that he doesn't even know the reason why he can't get it out if the stone. He couldn't even be bothered to do research on the artifact he was stealing.
Or he KNOWS why he can't and just doesn't care nor consider it a big enough deal to mention.
@@StonedHunter given the personality he displayed in the move I say your spot on.
I mean, considering he knows how to handle the Midas Touch, I would figure he’d know everything that is magic related so to speak
I mean, if it can't be a sword, then it's a pretty strong club.
@@StonedHunter I mean he was able to use it REGARDLESS because MY GOD that thing was a PRETY effective weapon while still in the stone. Also fun fact the stone REASSEMBLES after it's hysterical.
As an added detail on the empathy part, Jack didn't kill those baby unicorns. If you pay attention to his cart, It's being drawn by unicorns that have their horns broken off and are jagged.
Jack didn't just kill them for their horns. He mutilated them, then enslaved them.
Which is more terrifying tbh, death would've been mercy imho
congratulations!!!! you have made it even way worse!!!
Well the baby or young Unicorn's do die some time later when they were crossing the chasm
@@Arvyn992they actually get across and run away (the carriage does fall tho)
Probably breeds them to grow more horns
What I found refreshing about Jack was that he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and understands that. He's quite happy being a total creep.
@Hattan AlShutaifi we still get some
@UnBREAD but definitely not at the rate we used to get them.
@Hattan AlShutaifi Technically the last Traditional villains Disney had were Dr. Facilier and Mother Gothel.
Lotso was more of a Twist villain IMHO.
@@EChacon Lotso might've been a small twist but he's definitely an irredeemable monster in that film
@@Pihsrosnec But at the end of the day he still was a twist villain.
I feel he is very responsible, it hurts to admit it, but he is running a very successful pie industry.
Not only that, but he seems very organized as well, with how well placed his office is
He's definitely competent in some regard. You can't amass that level of magic artifacts, get all those criminal connections, AND run a successful pie business on the side ig your a total idiot.
Before he destroyed it all
And he is a honest boss
The way he says the truth
To be fair, he did inherit that business from his parents, so they probably did the bulk of the work and he has so far managed to not run it into the ground.
Considering he actually runs a very successful pie business and tests all the pies himself to make sure they're good. I'd say he's fairly responsible if only to himself
@Rach Still a form of responsibility.
There's a small tidbit on the horses he uses on the carriage: They have cut off horns, so those are probably the fully grown baby unicorns he got the horns from, so he didn't actually kill them(but he might've killed the other unicorns since those are a ton of unicorn horns, or maybe he kept them on the back).
Yeah, he basicaly kidnapped baby unicorns, cut off their horns and enslaved them to be his draft horses.
Hei may be breeding them, then cut of the horns once they reach a decent size.
@@veronikamajerova4564 so he’s basically the embodiment of the Conservative party.
@@Golems_victory nah conservatives would have killed and turned them into burgers
@@Golems_victory Alexa play who was the party who was the party who supported the kkk
The part about delayed gratification hit me hard. I was diagnosed with combined type ADHD at 8, and that has been one of the most difficult parts of dealing with it. The need/want to just gain a skill instantaneously but always failing to do so and then becoming crippled with self-doubt because of it has killed almost all of my hobbies.
I know your pain, I'm not diagnosed with anything but I think that's because my school was terrible with helping kids with that stuff. All their focus was on how well the sports teams preformed that year, everything else was barely even a afterthought, I wouldn't be surprised if I have some form of neurodivergent but at this point I feel silly getting tested because it won't do anything. I'm not a kid anymore
@Scarlet Jester I would 100% recommend getting tested regardless. Even if you're not in school or a kid, getting diagnosed and treated for something, if you do end up having something, will increase your quality of life immensely.
Ive never been diagnosed but that fits my pattern of behavior really well.
Same
Me in a nutshell
One of the things that makes Jack a personal favorite villain is how self-aware he is! There’s no trying to make excuses to how he is, no delusions, no twists. He’s just outright evil, he knows it and owns it.
Don't know if it counts as irresponsiblity, but Jack is actually very incompetent at using magic artifacts, mostly because he can't be asked to try to learn them.
And most of the artifacts are meant for good people.
I made a fairly detailed comment on why I think this counts, since even if you didn't take away any of his other traits, if he really wanted to achieve his goal of killing everyone and getting his wish, he could have been much more efficient with the way he used his resources, it's a very twisted sense of responsibility that would be required to do evil efficiently, but he lacks even the most basic foresight to try and make the most of his resources, because by the end, he ends up killing almost all of his own men, wasting all of his magic, and flagrantly discards anything he brought with him whenever it's convenient without considering how it could help him in the long run.
The most effective and terrifying villains understand, if you want to win, you need to be responsible, efficient, and understand the value of things you can't relate to.
It's the difference between Jack Horner throwing all his men and stuff away because he can't foresee the consequences of his actions, and someone like the Joker knowing how to cause the most chaos by torturing a single person to cause the most chaos.
The most dangerous villains, real or fictional, are the ones who know how to see the bigger picture, which develops a very twisted form of responsibility which still aligns with their own malicious personalities.
He’s the type to get a dangerous weapon and not go through the appropriate training for it
Idk, he seems to use them pretty well. Like a person who buys a flamethrower and only uses the pilot light to toast marshmallows. Technically you are using it wrong, but it still works
@@Hamantha So basically everyone when they get a fatman in Fallout.
Thank you for clarifying that not everyone with low empathy (or a different way of expressing empathy) is a bad person or destined to be evil. I have ASD and get called a sociopath all the time because I come off ‘cold’ and and anti-social.
Something else I see a lot is people who get called "Cold" and "Unfeeling" in most forms of media are called that not due to being unable to have empathy, but rather because they either don't know how to express themselves like other people OR they have low empathy resulting in trouble relating to others. That's why most of them have "character growth" that's them learning how to express themselves/understand others better.
Random question: why is the acronym ASD? I'd guess it was APD. Or was that already the acronym for something else?
@@ceinwenchandler4716 asd is autism spectrum disorder, aspd is antisocial personality disorder
@@ceinwenchandler4716 they might be talking about autism, which is clinically referred to as autism spectrum disorder, or ASD
the acronym ive usually heard for antisocial personality disorder is ASPD
@@glass1106 That makes sense. Thanks.
...this is going to be more complicated than learning to play D&D, isn't it.
I like dichotomy between Jack and Pinocchio. While both of them have Jiminy by their sides, one is an object becoming a real boy while the other is a real boy becoming a monster! While also being super envious of Pinocchio, he don’t realise that he’s the problem and not the circumstances of his birth. I speculate the reason why he’s envious of Pinocchio and feel outshined by him is because Pinocchio is a being made of magic, so if he can have all the magic in the world he can truly feel special and the only one who’s special that he can finally outdo Pinocchio
I am a sociopath, mostly due to childhood trauma and perhaps a bit of genetic disposition, but due to the relatively stable and positive home I grew up in, I have managed to find ways to deal with the darker and more damaging impulses I have. One of which is steady employment: I would get bored at jobs very easily, and quit before a year was up, with no real thought to my next job, as long as I had a little money in the bank. It's taken me a while, but Ive managed to not only keep a job for two years now (longest so far), but it's actually becoming a higher paying career. I've also avoided commiting any serious crimes, and have never even seen the back seat of a police car.
Psychopathy is the right term, look it up: ruclips.net/video/ESHDbqZMfzI/видео.html
That's awesome, I'm proud of you 💖
What is your profession? How do you think your sociopathy affects your job?
@@ulfdydager I'm an industrial maintenance tech. The vast majority of what I deal with are cold, soulless machines- much like myself. ;)
While I can be very glib and sociable if I need to, the nights where I don't say a single word to anyone are by far my favorites. I greatly prefer my solitude. I don't think my sociopathy really affects my job all that negatively, beyond maybe I should talk to the operators a little bit more to get more info about what issues they're having. But then again, it's the night shift, so it's not like there's many people around anyways.
@@MnemonicHack Ey bro as long as you’re not hurting anyone and you’re happy, then that’s a perfectly fine lifestyle.
I just realized something; is the reason we only see death chasing after Puss a handful of times during this because he's too busy cleaning up after Jack's "downsizing"? 😂
Also, should I be concerned I found the irony of the midas touch and the whole "if I can't pull the sword from the stone I'll just hit people with the stone" as totally plausible and acceptable ideas 😂 the one is efficient and the other is just good improvational skills.
Ah, yes. Using the _Roxcalibur_ the war it was meant to be used.
I have aphantasia and have no conscious ability to create images, nor do I have any auditory or other senses in my mind. The best way I can describe it is that I just know what I remember and when I think it's a silent thought with no voice, no picture, just blank understanding.
That is so fascinating to me. Thank you for sharing this and letting others know how differently we all see the world,
I have aphantasia as well, and one analogy I've found is that the computer is on, but there's no screen, or speakers as well in your case.
Same and the idea that people can hear voices and see things in their head is so weird to me, I can’t even really comprehend it
i never think and all these options. I do. Then restore repair my mess. Ah yeah. Is because i am engineer and thinking as engineer since 5 year old. 🧐😐 Is a little funny 😐
i never think and never do all these options you all mention. I do. Then restore and repair my mess. Ah yeah. Is because i am engineer and thinking as engineer since 5 year old. 🧐😐 Is a little funny 😐
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Jack Horner has some of the best lines in the movie. He runs a close second to death as my favorite character.
I mean he has SUCH a tragic backstory can't be helped. 😂
Just a mansion, loving parents, and a thriving baking business that he could inherit when they died…
*sigh* so tragic… 😢
All that useless stuff
Useless crap like that
Don’t forget Pinocchio
Its just great how, he KNOWS he's an asshole
He just doesn't care.
His death scene
"What did I do to deserve this?..... I mean what specificially"
Talking with Jimminy
"You're a monster! What took you so long! Idiot"
He fully knows that what he's doing is wrong and he's a monster for doing it. But he just delights in it.
As much as I love the 3 dimensional, justified, villain.
Jack is the perfect example of the just pure evil villain
I'd like to see you analyse Goldi and the three bears next. I think the family element between them would be very interesting to explore.
As much as I agree about wanting a vid on Goldie and the Bears... I personally really wanna see you cover Kitty Softpaws especially since in the first Puss movie we learn about WHY she has soft paws and trust issues. I just find her to be a cool character and her own growth of learning to trust people again I think is often underrated
I saw a video of the last wish that kinda covered that
That is on kitty soft paws
While I don't know if this RUclipsr will do it but I would definitely look into it
This episode just made me realize something!
You never analysed Handsome Jack from the Borderlands series!
The world needs it ASAP! I need it ASAP!
Great video, as always, thank you for the content!
I second this Greatly, maybe multipart, but definately a deep dive into jack and his descent!
What’s there to analyze, he’s the hero and you’re the bad guy.
A planet full of gun nuts and drug addicted psychopaths, and they’re trying to open ancient vaults and gain super weapons. He is trying to stop you all while everyone, even the people you hurt, are laying down stones for you to walk.
He has to stop you, he’s seen what happens if he doesn’t and it’s driving him insane.
Not much to analyze, just the lengths and depths someone is willing to go to just because they feel it’s right.
I never considered Hack to be sociopathic. But yeah, that actually fits really well. Especially when it's presented by one such as yourself who actually knows these things.
I mean his actions throughout were all very sociopathic lol
My sister is sociopathic, but because she wants to get better, she does. My sister has made incredible improvement and has learned so much. I'm very proud. Meanwhile, I'm super empathic and have synesthesia, we see the world in drastically different ways. I learned how to be unbiased from her, and she learned empathy from me.
My only experience with sociopaths has been abuse and or predatory behaviour,
A lot of people I know were permanently destroyed in some form or capacity by sociopathic abusers
So it's hard for me to view them as anything other than inhuman monsters who prey on people like cattle or use them like tools.
But I wonder if a positive and supportive personal life or home structure is the factor that makes them curb themselves and want to make it work?
@@mckenzie.latham91 Indeed
Its the nurture part of the body
@@mckenzie.latham91 that, and there are very different connotations carried by the terms sociopath and psychopath, compared to just "person with ASPD". they seem to _imply_ some sort of moral depravity that the diagnosis alone doesn't
I love that you called Jiminy baby when you apologized for forgetting his hat
12:33 What makes rage a pseudo emotion?
Because in my experience, rage is the strongest emotion there is.
Yep, especially when you are passionate about something
This just my uneducated guess: The way I see it rage can be called a "pseudo" emotion as it is not a base emotion and is instead born out of another emotion like love or fear as a sort of negative reaction.
Empty rage, the kind that comes from a fabricated injustice rather than an actual one.
It's not even remotely close to the feeling of being genuinely impassioned by something.
I sort of feel that the Shrek franchise is going back to it's roots with Jack being an over-the-top pure villain in response to all the "Twist Villains" and overdone Villain redemptions
I like the detail that Jack loves to hear himself talk but clearly can't stand it when anyone talks to him
Me, with diagnosed ASPD, sitting here watching and barely having noticed Jack's symptoms: Oh! I forgot about these traits (that I also display)!
I mean honestly I can see how he'd end up this way, I myself COULD'VE ended up like that so. I get it actually
I think something that could have been analyzed a bit more is how other people's positive emotions and energy have absolutely no effect on Jack. It was shown that people do like his pies, but their enjoyment of his product has absolutely no impact on his state of mind. Course the two women who thought of him as famous he downplayed as well.
Jack seems to be a high functioning sociopath since it seems that his Baker's dozen respected him enough to sacrifice themselves for him, which has the implication that he does want the best for himself and to get that best you do need to treat the people you want well enough that they stick around. Probably makes him a ruthless capitalist who has zero problem with firing people who aren't up to the task, but is smart enough to do what is necessary to keep the capable people around.
He certainly doesn't express any malice towards he considers part of his group, just a lot of indifference. Would have been interesting to see how Jack would have reacted to one of his bakers quitting. I think he would be more likely to wave them off saying "Whatever" as opposed to any kind of emotional reaction.
Most who’ve seen the movie probably already noticed, but I had only just noticed that Jack was the only one who didn’t touch the map before getting to the star. Puss, Kitty, Perrito, and Goldi were the only ones who touched it and we saw what their paths to the star looked like. I do wonder if Jack touched the map what would his path have looked like and entailed? What do you think?
You might have a fun time digging into the psychology of some anime. I know the Fate franchise is a horse that has been beaten to death, dissected, studied, reassembled, and then beaten into paste, but with as many different branches to it there are tons of neat characters and circumstances to evaluate. Others would be Steins;gate, a wonderful mess of the masks people wear and the trauma they cope (or don't) with. The Ancient Magus' Bride is also good as it stars a suicidally depressed girl finding value in herself and life, and an ancient inhuman magical creature learning what it means to be human, how to be human himself (instead of just the surface trappings of humanity), and indeed the things about himself that he never even realized he shared with humanity (it was a particularly hard lesson when he realized that he was capable of jealousy and only realized it after doing some truly heinous things because of it).
I don't have any diagnosis, but I'm practically like a hermit. I enjoy my solitude and alone time and don't really like going anywhere. I'll still socialize, but really only with my immediate family or through online things like Discord. I'm not including work here because though I enjoy it at times thanks to my coworkers, it's more of something I have to do than want to do. My personality here might also come from growing up in a small mountainous area with a town population of around or under 2000. Though, now that I think about it, it might actually come from something else, a past trauma with a "friend". Basically he broke my trust and betrayed me when we were kids and I kind of shut myself away as a result.
Same
I love that "don't you know I'm dead inside?" line. I just love how he's so unapologetically bad. He was hilarious and intimidating.
"You're gonna shoot a puppy?!"
"Yeah, _in the face,_ why? >:)"
The Bridge scene was more irresponsible in my opinion. Being wasteful of resources is wrong regardless of doing good or evil. Unless you are purposely wasting to be evil in that way. But that lost can't be your stuff and people.
Jack is definitely driven, but he does not care about the consequences of his actions so technically he takes responsibility because he sees no reason to be ashamed of what he does
The information about people being black holes (figuratively speaking) could benefit fiction writers, such as myself, so thank you.
For patterns of irresponsibility: He runs a successful pie factory and yet insists on contaminating the product on a regular basis and shows a consistent pattern of abandoning responsibilities in pursuit of a powerful magical object. Presumably that's how he got hid collection in the first place.
Such an educational, intellectually empathetic, listenable, talented educator 🙏❤️🥰♾♾
1:09 its worse than that, he didnt kill them. They are the horses that draw his carrage
When I clicked in this video I thought it would be just like other psychology video where they would demonize the disorder quoted instead of explaining it. But I was wrong. It was actually really educational and entertaining to watch. And it was nice to see actual people with ASPD making comments in here. I was questioning lately if I have the disorder due to some reasons and it's no wonder why I found Jack so funny/relatable at some scenes. I'm also glad you made it clear in the beginning that having low empathy doesn't imply that someone is inherent bad. Loved the video so far :)
Thank you for sharing that- it’s what I try to do and I’m happy it was a refreshing look. : )
It's funny tbh, Horner is so hated and feared by everyone in the movie but we love him because it's refreshing to see a cartoon villain be completely irredeemable and actually evil.
I think what’s fun about Jack Horner is that if the thieves seeked out the map but said that it’s useless because people went and made their wish already, his attitude will likely be:
“Well that blows. But what are you going to do.
Here, have the Midas Touch, for your troubles (one thief turns to gold, he dismisses them).
I guess I’ll keep getting my magic by hand, print out more fliers to get scouts bringing that stuff to me.
Let’s get that next batch of pie ready, we have quitas to meet.
Another wonderful day at the Plum Thumb Bakery!”
Horner, such a refreshing villain because of how unsympathetic he is.
Speaking of which. Now that the series is over, what are the chances of you examining Belos from the Owl House? I would imagine that there would be quite the discussion in examining his psyche from both a professional and historical context
Jack didn't even kill the baby unicorns. Instead, after sawing off their horns he forced them to pull his stagecoach.
I think the nanny bag represents him well as it’s bottomless and no matter how much he puts in it will never fill
Definitely would love it if you did Goldilocks and the three bears video as well.
Bonus points for the cosplay. Theme on point. -edit-I Have been made aware this is a regular occurrence. Still, bonus points.
Jack Horner is the human equivalent of Roger smith from American dad
I will say that the example of Jack's irritability I'd have went with is the very first scene he's in, with the Serpent Sisters.
I really like how they made Jiminy cricket's voice sound like a combination of Jimmy Stewart and Don knotts.
The way you got around the copyright with the movie clips was super smart, by desaturating the colours it’s made me want to go rewatch the movie to see how beautiful the movie was again
I have never seen this show, looks interesting might have to check it out.
Ps your little buddy is cute haha
It's a film, called "Puss in boots - The last wish".
Highly recommended. :)
Perfect review as always.
I imagine John Mulaney had a blast doing the voice work for Jack Horner.
The caretaker thing kind of got to me. Im sometimes jealous of how much investment others can put in people. Im generally analytical and stuck in my own head.
Not just a Jiminy,but a Jimmy Stewart Jiminy cricket. 😂
I love how you made a little cricket to stay on your shoulder! I also love your coat.
Show and Tell for Consciences, I’ll start:
My conscience is a train of thought, and sometimes the morality aspect of it comes careening in to interject with the train of thought that needs conscientious evaluation.
Sometimes those moments when it comes in activate the sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous systems: Either the gut-punch of realizing you made a bad choice, or the peace and calm that comes from doing the right thing, making the world that little bit better.
Okay I am LOVING the outfit choice for this vid
I think I'm one of those negative people, and I am honestly curious about the alternatives proposed.
Learning to be positive seems like an attempt at self-delusion to me. I don't WANT to be negative, I just see so many negative things that others don't, or choose to ignore.
Trying to tell ourselves that everything is hunky-dory and we are all lovely and valid and all that stuff might seem appealing until you have to face the consequences of ignoring the sad state of the world around us.
We suck. The world sucks. And the first step of fixing that is to acknowledge it.
There has to be, at the very least, a happy medium. The mythical realist.
@Mickey Mouse thx Mickey
Now tell that to Santis, I heard he is looking for you
So at around 8:40 when she talks about Jack being somewhat responsible and also letting things go I would disagree.
Jack has a goal and that goal is to obtain all the magic. So in Jack's mind killing people or letting his people die as well as exhausting his resources in an attempt to achieve infinity more is what makes him irresponsible/evil.
God! your costume work is incredible
I think I get what she means about the irresponsibility thing. Because while the majority of Jack's actions can be deemed irresponsible, if you look at it from the context of his overall plan and how he goes about getting it, then it's a different story.
He's responsible in the sense that he knows exactly what must be done to achieve his goal, how to get it done, and is more than willing and able to pass whatever obstacles prevent him from meeting this quota.
Hi. I heard it from someone on youtube it doesn t come from me. Valid points that highlight jack story.
He s remorseless and people think it s a breath of fresh air with all the villain with tragic backstory.
Well actually had one too.
Let s look at the clues.
First he said he had great upbringing to the cricket, family, fortune, mansion , golden spoon in hus mouth.
Yet we can see in his own flashback
He had a hard time making money. Worse , pinoccio was taking his clients.
He said perrito he sxdead inside. We can see it s true along the movie.
His goal is: get all the magic in the world. Not being the most powerful magic caster. Simply take all to himself. Which explai what happen:
Jack has no magic. In a world where magic make you whole, make you special
Jack hasxto survive in this condition. Meaning he hates himself for being ordinary and is obscessed to get magic. That broke him. Once he get all, only him would be special.
There’s a key part to ASPD that’s being overlooked here: is the impairment or stress he suffers clinically significant?
He’s not impaired, he’s physically strong (not fit but not necessary), he’s a wildly successful entrepreneur, he has hobbies (poaching and hunting baby animals doesn’t warrant an ASPD symptom. Like disorder diagnosis, multiple occurrences of something consistent with the general condition is needed), and he’s perfectly content login the way he’s living. ASPD would not be the diagnosis here
“I’m your conscience 😀”
“Man, i really did overpack… 😶”
When the twin towers were destroyed on 9/11, Jack bragged about having the tallest building in Manhattan
With Jack Horner and levels of a responsibility he let the Phoenix go he dropped Excalibur and didn't go back for it things like that eventhough they are his treasures. Even though you can argue that his and the goal is to have all magic would supersede his material little forms of magic, you would think that after all of his efforts and retrieving these artifacts that they would have some value to him
One thing I feel is weirdly absent in the entertainment industry is the sociopathic evil character and/or the self-centered evil character. I love irredeemable villains that push our hero or heroine to their absolute limits to the point that the audience is anxious as to whether or not the good guy is gonna win. Jack Horner is one such character who recognizes his flaws, sees them as his strengths, and refuses to redeem himself because he doesn't really see a good reason to do so.
I'm pretty sure that aphantasia, synesthesia and lack of an inner monologue do not correlate at all to sociopathic behavior.
Also, example in fiction of a character lacking an inner monologue: Buzz Lightyear.
I love your little version of Jimminy Cricket! So cute!
yay
@@GeorgiaDow absolutely agreed, your Jiminy is adorable!
"Dont you know im dead inside?" Most relatable character in cinema history
I would love to see you react to Murder drones. There's a lot in the series that I would love to more about on a psychological level 😊
I love the detail that Jimmy is on his right shoulder. I Hebrew, right means good and the left means wrong
I love your dedication to cosplay. You are great.
thank you so much = )
I love Jack - if every villain where like him, he'd probably get dull and boring, but in a movie like this with other 'villains' with more complex motivations, he works very well - it also helps they constantly tease the idea that Jack might turn good or at least show some reason he's so god damned evil. And then nope it.
What if we have like 50 inner voices arguing with each other about everything. Like should I go to the bathroom upstairs or downstairs? 30 minute debate later, both bathrooms are occupied so you have to go in a cup.
I think the not paying bit, I think it’s more of he was going to pay them both, but the red head annoying one brought up a bad memory and insulted his nursery rhyme, so he got revenge and still paid the other girl her share.
I mean, you don’t keep getting magic items if the messengers keep getting killed off, they would just stop eventually.
I dunno if I have synesthesia, but I often see or feel some kind of imagery or texture in certain situations, especially when I am sensing people's mood. It's part of the reason often the way I explain how someone feels like is through imagery, color, texture, if I am allowed to do so. I know some people cannot understand the way I explain things that way, so I use more common? adjectives or more easily recgonized imageries like an angry baby or baby cow mooing for mama.
The baby unicorns are pulling his carriage too, but their horns are sawed off
If you haven’t already done it I feel like a video on ivar the boneless from Vikings would be interesting or any other character from that show really
10:15
As someone having that level of malignent negativity... that was hurtful... welp at least I felt something today, good night everyone!
But for seriousness tho, I have that kind of negativity and when I talk to people and they ask me how I am usually just tell them "Do you want to traumatize yourself by listening to my problems like several people before, or do you just want to see me act happy? and be honest, because shit's going to hit the fan if you choose the first option."
Just as a relation, I have fallen off 1-2 floors and it was one of my happier bad memories, because I only broke an arm and there were no feelings or depression related. I swear, if I had to break 1 limb every few years, BUT never be depressed and have apathy or whatever pros call it, I would break 2, just to be sure.
The only way this is manageable is to put up a mask. That's it. I lost a few friends by telling them my problems. Seeing them not care, etc. was even worse tho... favourite moment "we will meet again and have hugs, etc.!" that was the last word I heard from them... they are not dead or anything, just ghosted me...
Antisocial person here:
I hate you all but I'll play ball with society for as long as I can benefit from it, don't worry general masses, I'm no danger to anyone.
Gotta love the representation with Jack, we need more of my people in movies.
The day a sociopath in media does not get a bad ending is the day I can die peacefully
Check out Primal Fear with Richard Gere!
Hey, that rhymed! 😄
Every time I hear someone tell me to think positive my eyes try to examine the inside of my skull for that magic little switch that makes all the impending horror in our immediate future look like a grand day at a theme park.
He didn't kill the unicorns, he just cut the unicorn's horn. See the unicorn in Horner's death tank.
9:34 This is beautifully symbolized with the bottomless nanny bag he carries.
I think the Excalibur scene shows off his irresponsibility 😂😂😂
I'm glad i found this video, because it confirmed that the things i started to do to become a sociopath, are correct.
06:33 - 06:37 Best Jack line.😂😂😂😈
You gotta do more villains, like Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Carnage/Shriek, Kingpin, Bullseye, & Penguin
I like to see her do Eric Cartman.
Jiminy Cricket said it best, Jack was an irredeemable monster. He makes Eric Cartman look like a saint.
fun fact: he doesnt kill the baby unicorns he raises them to adult hood to pull his ride.
Would be interesting to see you do a psychology of video on Bowser in the Mario movie. Just seems like how he's a dark, cruel, and tempered warlord whom yet also has his own soft side most of the time when Princess Peach is involved, and the themes of obsession and rejection there, would be interesting to see you cover especially after this vid. Just my thought.
The worst she can say is no
Her: 9:35
I’m on the floor, rn
1 I ALWAYS LOVE YOUR CONTENT
2 THE CRICKET IS SO AMAZING❤
Out of curiosity, are you doing Season 2 of Vox Machina? TONS of character development for everyone this season.
Will you be doing Kitty Softpaws?
He didn’t kill the unicorns, he uses them to pull his carriage the entire movie. 😅
Annoying correction, that hilarious bug is truly the Moral bug, and not Jiminy Cricket, as that character is licensed by Disney. With his accent he's a play off of Jimmy Stewart, and an obvious parody to Jiminy Cricket. His name while under development was 'Jiminy Stewart'. I fucking love any scene the Moral bug is in. What an amazing movie
On having a conscience/inner voice. I always thought that was just a metaphor. I have aphantagia, so it's just my own thoughts
Tngent, I've always wondered how aphantasia interacts with schizophrenia? My sister and I had a lot of the same mental health issues and pre-cursors for schizophrenia. She got a lot worse once the hallucinations became more vivid. I never had any hallucinations and eventually got a hold on my paranoia/delusional thoughts.
I think this is a perfect opportunity to say that we need to say empathy is probably not a spectrum, but a complex group of models we use to understand other people and creatures. There is nothing illogical about sociopathic behavior, it is very useless if you don't have leverage over each and every person around us but not necessarily illogical. Same goes to people that we understand as very empathetic. Empathetic behavior is not illogical even if you live in a position where consequences of bad actions go mostly unpunished.
because I don't have an inner voice, the idea of it always came off as simply a metaphor for just... thinking. To me it's baffling to think people actually see images in their head, hear a voice in their head, and they are being literal. The only time I see or hear anything is when I am dreaming or the handful of times I have had hallucinations, quite notably musical hallucinations when I am trying to fall asleep.
It's just an interesting thought, realizing that everyone comprehends the world differently and all the information around you, is not processed in the same way between one person and another.