why sin(x)≈x, (i.e. the famous small-angle approximation)

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  • This is perhaps the most famous linearization of a function. Yes, the small-angle approximation for sin(x). This is a very popular approximation in physics and engineering so you should definitely know how we get this result!
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  • @bprpcalculusbasics
    @bprpcalculusbasics  2 года назад +14

    Related videos:
    This is how to get the exact value for sin(pi/18) ruclips.net/video/_00oskWLtII/видео.html
    How small is "small" when we use the small-angle approximation? ruclips.net/video/ppN7pVQaFhY/видео.html

  • @sicko5821
    @sicko5821 2 года назад +199

    The fundamental theorem of engineering! :D

    • @jamescollier3
      @jamescollier3 2 года назад +5

      I thought that "assume it's round" was the main physics assumption

    • @ausaramun
      @ausaramun 2 года назад +16

      Ah yes. π = 3 and e = 3 and π^2 = g = 10.

    • @sicko5821
      @sicko5821 2 года назад

      @@ausaramun yes, it's facts

    • @monika.alt197
      @monika.alt197 2 года назад +12

      Wrong. The fundamental theorem of engineering is "sin(x)=x" not "sin(x)≈x"

    • @sicko5821
      @sicko5821 2 года назад +9

      @@monika.alt197 well in engineering =≈=
      So yeah

  • @PrivatePug
    @PrivatePug 2 года назад +63

    I feel like this video is gonna just have 70% of the comments being about the fundamental theorem of engineering.

  • @Ou_dembele
    @Ou_dembele 2 года назад +13

    This feels like a crime in math but physics says it's legal and satisfying 😂

  • @WerewolfLord
    @WerewolfLord 2 года назад +16

    This also works for tan(x)*, because tan(x) is just sin(x)/cos(x), and at 0, cos(x)=1 and 1/cos²(x)=1. Or just at 0, d/dx sin(x) = d/dx tan(x) = d/dx x = 1. So, it works.*
    *For SMALL values of x (even smaller than for sin(x)). Like, say, x=1 arcsecond.😝

  • @ElementaryLord
    @ElementaryLord 2 года назад +17

    Ah, the fundamental theorem of engineering!

  • @zhelyo_physics
    @zhelyo_physics 2 года назад +14

    Excellent video, thanks! This is great and used in physics all the time.

  • @OriginalSuschi
    @OriginalSuschi 2 года назад +3

    Since we know that sin(x) is approximately equal to x and that it gets more and more accurate for smaller angles x:
    sin(x)~=x
    -> sin(pi/x)~=pi/x
    sin(pi/x)*x~=x
    So when we take the limit for x approaching infinity, we get that sin(pi/x)*x=pi

  • @johncalculusmathsclass5998
    @johncalculusmathsclass5998 2 года назад +4

    Pretty cool. Please,is it possible to evaluate sinx using 'Weierstrass Substitution?

  • @matteocilla9482
    @matteocilla9482 2 года назад +2

    can you do the same for tan α ≈ α and cos α ≈ 1 ? thank you

  • @sirroberttablesiv9459
    @sirroberttablesiv9459 2 года назад

    Adding the second term of the Taylor series makes it even more accurate, an even more accurate estimate (albeit more complicated, perhaps too complex for an engineer) is x- (1/6)x^3

  • @thiagovieira9377
    @thiagovieira9377 2 года назад

    or with taylor series :
    sin(x) = x-x^3/3!+x^5/5! - x^7/7!+ ... , with small x, i can expand taylor series with 1 term because with small angles O(x^3) is so small (u can expand more ... or use a calculator aproximation ... )
    sin(x) ≈ x
    Bonus :
    cos(x) = 1-x^2/2! + x^4/4! -x^6/6! + ... , with small x, we (physicist) usually expand for 2 terms (...this is what my classical mech professor said) , cos(x) ≈ 1-x^2/2! (for small x)

  • @kunjukunjunil1481
    @kunjukunjunil1481 2 года назад +1

    3:50 I thought π in this case is in radian ie 180°

  • @oofmaroomph4913
    @oofmaroomph4913 2 года назад

    hmm what about this : at what value of x does sin(x) ≈/≈ x anymore

  • @nadva304
    @nadva304 2 года назад +4

    Going to have an important calc 1 test soon, does anybody have useful tips?

    • @kepler4192
      @kepler4192 2 года назад +1

      natural logarithmic and exponential functions are really important for calc 1, I advise you to focus on those

    • @nadva304
      @nadva304 2 года назад

      @@kepler4192 Ok, thanks

    • @kepler4192
      @kepler4192 2 года назад

      @@nadva304 np

    • @FrogworfKnight
      @FrogworfKnight 2 года назад +1

      @@kepler4192 ....I thought those were the first week in calc 2. Granted everyone's calc classes will likely vary.

    • @kepler4192
      @kepler4192 2 года назад

      @@FrogworfKnight I’m in highschool and I learnt those last semester

  • @yuriikovalov84
    @yuriikovalov84 2 года назад +1

    I think you can actually approximate it like that until x = 30°

  • @manla8397
    @manla8397 2 года назад +3

    The biggest problem of this proof is that you need to differentiate sine function first. But to find the derivative of sine function, you need lim x->0 (sinx/x )= 1. from the first principle.
    Therefore I do not agree with your argument.
    Edit: I changed back to 1. My mistake.

    • @bprpcalculusbasics
      @bprpcalculusbasics  2 года назад +9

      ????

    • @jamescollier3
      @jamescollier3 2 года назад +1

      he did at 1:36, so QED

    • @ZipplyZane
      @ZipplyZane 2 года назад +1

      @@bprpcalculusbasics It makes sense to me. The derivative of sin x requires that (sin x)/x = 1 as x approaches 0. This means that sin x ~ x for small enough x.
      So it seems like the linearization of sin x at x=0 is required to determine the derivative of sin x in the first place.

    • @bprpcalculusbasics
      @bprpcalculusbasics  2 года назад +1

      @@ZipplyZane u can do a geometric proof for that limit.

    • @elias69420
      @elias69420 2 года назад +1

      "lim x->0 (sinx/x )= 0" is nonsense. It's equal to 1

  • @fizixx
    @fizixx 2 года назад +3

    I thought this approximation was because 'x' is the first-order in the sin(x) expansion in the infinite series?
    Second question....if cos(x) is approximated would it be just 1, or would it be (1- q²) / 2! ?
    For this, I thought the approximationwould need the first q value, as opposed to just taking the approx as just 1. Thoughts?

    • @General12th
      @General12th 2 года назад +1

      cos(x) = 1 is the best _constant_ (and also the best linear) small-angle approximation for cosine. cos(x) = 1 - x^2 / 2 is the best _quadratic_ (and also the best cubic) small-angle approximation. How many terms you need to represent the approximation is up to you.

    • @baqerghezi1342
      @baqerghezi1342 2 года назад +1

      The linear approximation (linearization) takes the first two values in the function's expansion which is equivalent to what has done in the video, the quadratic approximation takes the first three terms. Since the cosine function has constant two first terms then the approximation will be as quadratic approximation.

  • @saveerjain6833
    @saveerjain6833 2 года назад

    taylor series!

  • @hydropage2855
    @hydropage2855 2 года назад +2

    Hello!

  • @haaansolo8568
    @haaansolo8568 2 года назад

    Yeah this is great, sin x = x, sinh x = x, cos x = 1, e^x = 1!!:D

  • @sigmathzone
    @sigmathzone Год назад

    Please include an english subs next time, Im begging youuu I'm dying to learn thisss

  • @gouravdey8227
    @gouravdey8227 2 года назад +3

    How to find the integral of x³tan²(x²) ?

    • @siddharthamondal4346
      @siddharthamondal4346 2 года назад +3

      x^2 = u
      xdx = du/2
      so ur integral becomes
      u.tan^2(u)/2
      Apply by parts now
      u.integral(tan^2u) - integral(tan^2u) [differentiation of u is 1]
      now u can use tan^2u = sec^2u-1
      and integral(sec^2u) = tan(u)

    • @prakharjain21
      @prakharjain21 2 года назад

      Wolphramalpha

  • @icecream4556
    @icecream4556 2 года назад +1

    ok

  • @lenny1641
    @lenny1641 2 года назад +2

    hi

  • @PrivatePug
    @PrivatePug 2 года назад +2

    Are all calculus teachers magicians of math?

    • @SimsHacks
      @SimsHacks 2 года назад

      Magicians of calculation. Not really of math, rigorous proofs and all that stuff.

    • @dqrksun
      @dqrksun 2 года назад

      Mathematicians are

  • @nimmira
    @nimmira 2 года назад +1

    oops! He exposed us! 🤭

  • @user-fl4ik6tj2i
    @user-fl4ik6tj2i 2 года назад

    試著用sintheta= y/r去解釋

  • @Bruh-bk6yo
    @Bruh-bk6yo 2 года назад

    x=0
    sinx=0=x
    *E Z*

  • @jrthhfdff
    @jrthhfdff 7 месяцев назад

    Lmao even by engineering standards this doesnt make sense.... x stays at least two orders of magnitude larger than sinx of x at 10^-80. This approximation should only be used if youre adding or subtracting sinx for small x's. This should never be used for division or multiplication youll get orders of magnitude of error. For example 10+ 10 sinx can be 10 + 10x for small x , but 10/sinx is is never 10/x for any small x