Thank you! i just bought a new Yamaha JX113 (B2 Upright in USA and Europe. For other countries like Mexico, Australia is JX113 a similar Indonesian model (B2)). So, I hesitated between a new Perl River serie EU 122 (4800 USD and Yamaha JD113 (B2, here not options, very narrow upright piano market). Do you think that is a better option overall including sound consistency?
I am not entirely sure about the new Pearl Rivers however this 2000 one had many signs off inferior production such as a spongy tone. I don’t think I will serve these unless it’s newer I hear they have been getting better.
The sound seems extremely good. What I care about now after owning a bunch of pianos is tuning stability, tone, non-wobbly (snug) keys and uniform and smooth action. I’ve never seen such inconsistent spacing on the plain triads like you show, wow. That is aesthetically a little unappealing and I guess raises questions about if corners were cut elsewhere that might matter more, and I think it’s not totally clear that it won’t cause future issues in terms of hammer wear or something. But some manufacturers focus on the things that matter and ignore things that don’t matter. I could imagine Steinway putting on a crooked serial number. Imperfections are what tell you you’re still making music and not wasting away your life on OCD. 😂. If that piano accepts a good regulation it seems like a bargain.
That's a good point on the OCD side of things, I do think that good systems produce good results, tone wise the Pearl River is quite mellow and pleasant, however it does feel that some of the parts choices and work may be a little lacking in 2000's with Steinway being involved now it may be that they are more in line with their quality standards. However, as you mentioned this one does sound good which is the end game thank for pointing that out. Great point. Evan
@@RobertsPianosHouston It’s nice of you to engage with comments from the community, thanks. Seeing your videos and your father’s videos, and seeing that your father refurbs great older German verticals, you might want to look at the older Weber pianos around in the US. They have a detailed, resonant tone like Sauter or Bechstein, I think the American ear has almost forgotten that it once had this prestigious brand with more European-style tones. I’m fixing one up now and view it as an absolute waste that lots of them are being lost because the newer generations don’t see their potential.
@@CharlesLangSamuel I'm aiming at heading towards European pianos, it's just that on the way there I've tried out several American made pianos, and unless fully restored or Baldwin post 1980's or imported Japanese/some Korean it's difficult. In the Uk there are plenty of 70's / 80's uprights that are excellent I will keep an eye out for Weber, thank you for the advice Charles. Evan
@@RobertsPianosHouston There were so many brands, I find it difficult to understand what trends were going on and who was aiming for what character and so on. But yes, Weber seems to have had a tone that is still appealing to modern tastes. I think Baldwin always did, too. Brigham Larson in Utah has almost an assembly line restoring old American brands but I think it’s more about heirlooms and sentimental attachments than what your UK shop is doing. One thing Larson often does is extend the dampers in the bass in order to have a more modern character. I found with my Weber that just reducing action noise by replacing all felts under the keys including the back rail cloth has got it performing much more nicely. But the even bigger ones present an experience of playing a concert-worthy thing; I couldn’t get adequate experience without regularly playing my 57” Layton Bros. piano, a Canadian beast. I feel like it is an adequate practice for visiting a friend of mine who has a Steinway B.
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 I haven't really tried enough of them to give you a good opinion here. I a new Yamaha dealer who also sells used ones will give you a fuller opinion. I remember trying a handmade Yamaha concert at the Musikmesse and really enjoyed it top notch sound and touch. Unfortunately can't help more here
Thank you! i just bought a new Yamaha JX113 (B2 Upright in USA and Europe. For other countries like Mexico, Australia is JX113 a similar Indonesian model (B2)). So, I hesitated between a new Perl River serie EU 122 (4800 USD and Yamaha JD113 (B2, here not options, very narrow upright piano market). Do you think that is a better option overall including sound consistency?
I am not entirely sure about the new Pearl Rivers however this 2000 one had many signs off inferior production such as a spongy tone. I don’t think I will serve these unless it’s newer I hear they have been getting better.
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The sound seems extremely good. What I care about now after owning a bunch of pianos is tuning stability, tone, non-wobbly (snug) keys and uniform and smooth action. I’ve never seen such inconsistent spacing on the plain triads like you show, wow. That is aesthetically a little unappealing and I guess raises questions about if corners were cut elsewhere that might matter more, and I think it’s not totally clear that it won’t cause future issues in terms of hammer wear or something. But some manufacturers focus on the things that matter and ignore things that don’t matter. I could imagine Steinway putting on a crooked serial number. Imperfections are what tell you you’re still making music and not wasting away your life on OCD. 😂. If that piano accepts a good regulation it seems like a bargain.
That's a good point on the OCD side of things, I do think that good systems produce good results, tone wise the Pearl River is quite mellow and pleasant, however it does feel that some of the parts choices and work may be a little lacking in 2000's with Steinway being involved now it may be that they are more in line with their quality standards. However, as you mentioned this one does sound good which is the end game thank for pointing that out. Great point. Evan
@@RobertsPianosHouston It’s nice of you to engage with comments from the community, thanks. Seeing your videos and your father’s videos, and seeing that your father refurbs great older German verticals, you might want to look at the older Weber pianos around in the US. They have a detailed, resonant tone like Sauter or Bechstein, I think the American ear has almost forgotten that it once had this prestigious brand with more European-style tones. I’m fixing one up now and view it as an absolute waste that lots of them are being lost because the newer generations don’t see their potential.
@@CharlesLangSamuel I'm aiming at heading towards European pianos, it's just that on the way there I've tried out several American made pianos, and unless fully restored or Baldwin post 1980's or imported Japanese/some Korean it's difficult. In the Uk there are plenty of 70's / 80's uprights that are excellent I will keep an eye out for Weber, thank you for the advice Charles. Evan
@@RobertsPianosHouston There were so many brands, I find it difficult to understand what trends were going on and who was aiming for what character and so on. But yes, Weber seems to have had a tone that is still appealing to modern tastes. I think Baldwin always did, too. Brigham Larson in Utah has almost an assembly line restoring old American brands but I think it’s more about heirlooms and sentimental attachments than what your UK shop is doing. One thing Larson often does is extend the dampers in the bass in order to have a more modern character. I found with my Weber that just reducing action noise by replacing all felts under the keys including the back rail cloth has got it performing much more nicely. But the even bigger ones present an experience of playing a concert-worthy thing; I couldn’t get adequate experience without regularly playing my 57” Layton Bros. piano, a Canadian beast. I feel like it is an adequate practice for visiting a friend of mine who has a Steinway B.
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 I haven't really tried enough of them to give you a good opinion here. I a new Yamaha dealer who also sells used ones will give you a fuller opinion. I remember trying a handmade Yamaha concert at the Musikmesse and really enjoyed it top notch sound and touch. Unfortunately can't help more here
My true thoughts on pearl river pianos would get me cancelled
I'd be interested to learn more about your experience with Pearl Rivers, is it mostly the tone or design and action Evan Roberts