Can you beat Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness with only Footmen?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- Now that I've done grunts, its time to try out footmen! Can Warcraft's most insulted unit get the redemption they deserve, or will enemy juggernauts and walls stop them from killing the horde?
Beyond the Dark Portal is next, which promises to be quite a bit more interesting, as the levels get MUCH tougher! Hope you enjoy, and I'll see you all next time! 
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I love how every old rts challenge video has the moment of. "And then the ai had a stroke that I didn't cause on purpose". Like a lot of them you are trying ot break the ai, but in these old game, it just breaks itself sometimes.
Its true, lol. The warcraft 2 AI is held together by duct tape and glue. This is not going to be the last time it breaks in this series for reasons I cannot explain.
You know between the stroking out AI, the broken units and the pathfinding garbage it is downright astonishing that is game still plays as well as it does at times
I don't remember the game being quite this broken back when I first played it in the 90s. Its probably just nostalgia clouding my memory, but I wonder if something about modern PCs subtly breaks the game in ways that contemporary systems didn't.
Great video bro! Milled this idea in my head too but the air and emphasis on naval combat stumped me so good job! Thought about an elves only run so archers n destroyers but it might be too easy. Keep at er! War2 youtubers unite!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed! One thing I've learned while trying these challenge runs is that you can never be completely sure of what is possible until you try it. I was pretty terrified of getting stonewalled by naval combat too, but it turns out transports and towers are pretty effective ways of getting around it. This is true even in Beyond the Dark Portal. My biggest enemy in these runs wasn't battleships or dragons, but instead turned out to be the neutral passive walls, just because the pathfinding gives no favors in terms of helping you deal with them.
@@redwings13400 I'd be interested in seeing an elf/troll run( especially in the later game when they have access to moves like bloodlust/blizard)
I'll think about it :)
Aaaah just when youtube was getting boring, you arrive to make it entertaining, cheers mate 🙂
Aww, thank you! I hope I was effective at momentarily staving off your boredom, briefly keeping the dark threat at bay. :)
Glory to footmen!
Glory! :D
On the final level, Death Knights hate being observed by flying machines. Once you've gotten your anti-dragon defense stabilized, build two flying machines and park them over Black's units along the route the Death Knights would have to take to get to your base. The Death Knights won't go into the area the flying machines can see, and they won't use whirlwind on them when they are over their own units.
Ooohh, that's actually brilliant! I knew the flying machine strategy, but I never thought of parking them over enemy structures or units so they wouldn't even use whirlwind. :D
"the map is dark and full of dragons" you absolute nerd I love you xD
Hehe thank you :D
Having these videos recommended to me got me to install and play through the campaign again. First time probably since I was a kid in the 90s! Your videos are having me relive some great childhood memories so thank you!
Also the red transport got bugged out on my playthrough as well!
Hehe. Oh Warcraft 2 pathfinding, you really are something!
that feeling when you did this "challenge" almost 25 years ago, just for fun. ^_^
special respect for re-passed this challenge beyond the dark portal after learning about save glitch!
:D Nice!
Good stuff man. Subscribed. Keep em coming!
Thank you! :)
really challenging!! congrats man!!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!
Join the army they said,
see the WORLD they said,
I'd rather be sailing....
:D
Nice job on that :D
Btw... the trigger in level14 is when you build past your starting woodline (on the rightmost part of the trees)
And for level13 about the passive AI... it kinda applies to all levels... when you save and load it screw up the AI a bit... thats why many players often play without savestates to make it a bit harder for them :)
Yeah, I learned about the save glitch while editing my Beyond Grunt video, and decided to replay my entire Beyond Footman campaign because of it. The script got boring once I realized what was happening.
Its a crazy glitch, I can't believe I had no idea it existed before making these videos!
Not gonna lie it that last mission is insane and manage to show how powerful peasant actually is, it is all about him building towers and other units standing around trying to be useful.
haha yep. Footmen aren't very useful when it comes to fighting dragons, so towers were really my only option there.
Still enjoying the humour in these!
Would be cool if you do footmen only runs in all games that have footmen. Or whatever the nearest unit is. (not just warcraft/blizzard games!)
Thank you! I think it would be much harder for me to do other series just because I don't have nearly as much experience with them. That said, maybe someday! :)
I have been informed that the script for this video was originally edited by Redwings cats, and their feedback was taken under advisement though it did not make the final cut
This is true. My cat recommended I change armor to armo]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]], and while I respect her points, I ultimately decided to not put the edit in to the final cut.
I just didn't think the world was ready for my cat's true genius writing skills. It would have been too powerful.
I have to say, everyone mocks the ending cinematic to WC2. And rightly so. That sh*t with the Mage casting Tassadar's Sacrifice is NOT how things went down.
Haha, I wasn't aware it was a widely mocked ending. But I do see why it is. It feels like when they made that ending, they weren't planning on releasing an expansion, then when their game became successful, they were like...
Employee 1: "wait, how do we continue the story if the portal is destroyed?"
E2: "What if the portal... wasn't destroyed?"
E1: "Genius! You're promoted!"
@@redwings13400 XD it shows how little stock I place in Blizz storytelling that I wasn't even bothered to notice that Dimensional Rift of a plot hole...
I remember watching a Meet the Fans Q&A panel given by Samwise, during SC2's development. The theme of the panel was Narrative & Storytelling. Twice during the panel, Samwise asked fans (who had actually read the instruction booklet co-written by Samwise that came with Starcraft 1), to explain what their questions were even asking about. Bro didn't read up on 10 booklet pages of his own writing, for his own Q&A. So your joke dialogue is probably not far from what really happened!
But yeah, with the cinematic I'm mainly talking about how nobody ever razed the Portal with Mages in casual. Very high armor & HP structure...
I think "Defend" is an underappreciated skill in WC3. It is OP against crypt fiends
It definitely helped a lot in wc3. I probably underutilized it because I thought (incorrectly apparently) that it also decreased attack speed, so I only tried to use it on footmen being targeted there.
Having said that, footmen in wc3 are way more understatted compared to everything else in the game than footmen in wc2 are to other units. My army in wc2 never felt super underpowered stat wise with footmen, the issue was almost purely the awful pathfinding
"My lord? Yes my lord. Your orders? Your Command?"
At your service. Yes my lord. As you wish!
@@redwings13400 I do have work to do. Are you STILL touching me?
Christ I played W3 for a huge part of my chilhood, and W2 really seems painful just in general. Props to you for doing these challenges! Really entertaining!
Thank you, glad you're enjoying it! Warcraft 2 is a game that shows off the growing pains of trying to develop a really good rts. The pathfinding is awful, unit selection and spellcasting ui is archaic compared to future games, asymetrical balance isn't a thing yet, and micro is ridiculously challenging. However, its also still a game I find really fun despite its shortcomings. When you go from WC1, WC2, Starcraft, WC3, and SC2, you really see how the dev teams learned from each game and were able to build off their previous successes and mistakes. In my opinion, WC3 and SC2 are essentially perfections of the genre that the other games helped build up to.
I just beat the Human campaign with only Elven Archers. I don't have a video and I can't prove it, but it is possible if anyone else wants to try it. Level 10 (the prisoner transport) took three or four tries because I kept running out of gold before I could successfully assault Blue's base. Level 13 took two tries; I got overrun with bloodlusted ogres the first time. Level 14 wasn't all that much different from how the level usually plays out. For the Alliance!
Nice! :D I’ll probably try it at some point! :)
Warcraft 2 pathfinding strikes again
I'm starting to see how similar both the human and orc units are in this game. The Footmen have brought glory to their name. Fighting through the horrors that the other units were too scared to try and face head-on. They truly are the heroes of Azeroth
Oh boy, the Footmen going Beyond the Dark Portal to finish their job is hype
One last note, are you also going to do Warcraft 1 after all this is over? That's easily the one I know the least about, but I know that it's a bit hard to work with after being used to the later games
:D thank you!
I probably won't do warcraft 1, simply because I've never actually played it before! I started out with wc2, so when I look at the original warcraft, Im like, 'oh my gosh that looks like a logistical nightmare to play', lol.
@@redwings13400 That's fair. I've said I tried playing Warcraft 2 before and had a slightly difficult time adjusting to the controls, but I did manage to play it a bit. It wasn't easy, but it was doable. I say this because I also tried Warcraft 1 and, well, it was definitely not playable for me. I couldn't figure out how to play the game as it was, so yeah
@@hadiarambashir7659 Warcraft 2 might look rudimentary and broken compared to the RTS games that followed it, but its hard to overstate how much it improved upon the original Warcraft. In the original, you can only select 4 units at a time, you can't create additional town halls, there are no control groups, and all of your buildings have to be connected by roads. The concept is there, but the programming is not. From what I've seen of it, the game looks brutal to play.
@@redwings13400 Yeah, I know that much. I've tried both games and while Warcraft 2 can be a bit difficult at first to learn considering where I started, it is still pretty easy to learn. Warcraft 1... well, I tried it and dropped it after maybe one mission, so that should tell you enough
@@redwings13400 As someone who is still trying to figure out how to play Warcraft 1... yeah. It's terrible. XD
You actually don't need to use your starting army to get a base in Grimbatol! I ran all my footmen and peasants around the right side of the walled cannon defense area and one peasant survived the death sprint. I then built a hall next to their hall, and built up from their.
Ooh, cool! I was actually wondering about that, and felt like I didn't give that level enough of a shot. Another note to add if I do a save glichless follow up video eventually for the first three campaigns.
You also could do the Betrayal and the Destruction of Altera using only the three dwarven sappers (and footmen) they start you with. Its still not truely Footmen only but it seems a bit more true to the spirit of the challenge then using the whole army.@@redwings13400
I also was able to do the dark portal level using just 6 knights and 6 footmen instead of the using the ships and all the units (Not truely footmen only, but closer to the spirit of the challenge I think). It took me quite a few tries as some attempts all my 12 units would die, and sometimes like 9 would survive with low hp. Once I got past the beach part I just built up hiding behind guard towers. I did mine in a single run with no saves, I wonder if reloading gets black's dark knight ai to break. (Also using flying machines to use up black's dark knight mana is genius)
I'll admit, I didn't actually come up with the flying machine strategy myself. A lot of the strategies I used here are adapted from a random walkthrough posted by Lord_Xar on GameFAQs in 2003. The term 'peasant slaughter' is from that walkthrough too!
I just looked and its still up! Obviously this guide didn't address how to beat the campaigns with only footmen or only grunts, but some of my strategies are adapted from that guide, and its a pretty cool piece of internet history.
Would be interesting to see a separate video on human 14 where you play the case where black does send Death and Decay. It makes everything so much harder and would be interesting to see how you would deal with it. Also make a rule that you must kill everything that is not footman or peasant as soon as orange ogres are taken out. I am like 99.9% sure this challenge is impossible to win but would be interesting to see what clever tricks youtubers can come up with.
My first thoughts here is that it would definitely be super challenging. I’d have to spread out towers to prevent a big clump from being hit with death and decay at once, and get very lucky with enemy dragon movement. My guess is that 99% of the time I’d just get overwhelmed by dragons and death and decay in like a minute, but maybeeeee there’s some super lucky scenario where dragons take a while to find my base, I’m able to lure death and decay on to individual towers, or even an able to somehow lure death knights to run past a guard tower, getting shot as they try to destroy structures in the back?
This definitely sounds extremely painful. If I could survive the start it would get easier over time, but just getting past a couple minutes in the level sounds brutal lol.
Yes. I sometimes even die with out that footman restriction. Might be possible if you would modify random generator to ask you every time what it should return so that you have 100% control over random. If you would restrict yourself to only return values that are actually possible for random to generate then the video would still represent what would be theoretically possible (just extremely unlikely to occur) in such case. But yea, that's bit crazy already 😄
@@test-rj2vl haha yeah. I have no idea how to control the rng in this game, so I wouldn’t be able to do that. I do wonder what a tas run of this game would look like though, I bet there’s some crazy stuff you could do with it!
@@redwings13400 There is TAS run out there on youtube. But it's playstation - so not so fast game speed and a lot of loading screens. I tried to write TAS for the part where footman in Danath mission rescued but the rng on PC version seems to keep ruining it so even tough click speed and precision is more than enough to pull it off at max game speed the ogres just walk slightly differently each time so my hardcoded clicks have a different success every time so after day or so I gave up. It can do the initial rescue every time but unlike in TAS video it fails to walk ogres the path that would cause them to be hit by their own catapult like in TAS video. Because of rng. I think there are no other way to control AI than code editing.
@@test-rj2vl Huh, fascinating! I don't know too much about how the rng works in wc2, but I figured there would be a way to control for that with a TAS run. I know in pokemon for instance (at least gen 1), the rng isn't really random, and walking in the same route with the same input timings will give you the same wild encounters every time, so I just assumed something similar would be the case for warcraft 2.
Is Pokemon the anomaly then? I don't know too much about this but I'm curious.
Isn't the trigger for Death Knighting in The Dark Portal just building something around the entrance to your area?
not the coast, but the rock passage
It might be! I honestly have no idea, did I just get lucky not building in the trigger area?
you still need to do footmen on beyond dark portal.....
Patience, my friend. I'm working on the script for that right now. I do these videos in my spare time so its not going to be instantaneous, but hopefully it will get here soon! :)
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Lothar?!
lol!
Its shockingly tough to get everything accurate in a 20-40 minute script! There are so many times where I've finished recording, then started editing, then realized I said or wrote the completely wrong thing! I didn't even notice that one, nice catch. :D
@@redwings13400 I'll take the compliment!
"Then I take a brake to repair my transports" 🥸