Great work. The close calls in the later missions made watching really captivating. Fun to see some challenges in Warcraft II too. Looking forward to watching the other campaigns :)
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it! I really appreciate the information about the save glitch, that's really helped me understand what's been going on in my Beyond footage :)
Great gRUNt! :) Thank you for providing a dopamine surge to my brain @ 5:22 . In general this feels how the horde does majority of fighting in my mind... just straight grunts with axes
I really REALLY hope that someone out there believes the joke of you re-writing the WC2 plot to including people dying for not being a specific class xD
@@redwings13400 I mean so far warcraft fandom seems to be doing more fun warcraft lore than blizzard can currently do like with how playful Flying Buttress is with their warcraft videos. I think that if warcraft is a middle-point between goofy and serious then Blizzard went 90% goofy 10% serious while fans went 90% serious while 10% goofy which is why your jokes land so well. My heart was not prepared for 200 archers killing the dark portal and Danath killing Alleria in one run for being an archer but actually marrying her in another parallal universe for being the only alliance member alive in existence you legit accidently made adam and eve
Thank you! I've put in a lot of effort in to improving that aspect of my videos, and I'm glad its paying off! :D I love Warcraft 2 because it was my first exposure to blizzard RTS. However, it also doesn't hold up super well when compared to the rts games after it. The pathfinding makes this challenge SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT than it should be in certain places. However, its a double edged sword, because the AI follows the same pathfinding rules, which is the only thing that gives me any hope whatsoever in other moments.
You can actually beat tomb of sargaras without using your starting army. You can steal your opponents main with just 4 peons. You can kill the cannon tower guarding purples gold with the peons, build a hall and mine from it while purple is mining from it. After that you just build up. (The blue cannon tower will hit the hall, but luckily the hall has a bunch of hp.)
Can't say I was expecting Warcraft 2. Not complaining though The differences between Warcraft 2 and 3 are very interesting to see, between the pathing and lack of upkeep, as well as the fact that the units are just different to what I'm used to. I started with Warcraft 3 (I actually started with Frozen Throne to make it even weirder). Half the units are slightly unfamiliar to me (I've tried playing Warcraft 2 and managed a few missions, but while it's still playable enough for me, it's not as easy to get around to playing it as I thought it'd be) Footmen next? Well, that should be interesting. I'm expecting more of the same problems coupled with the fact that footmen are likely stats wise not as strong as grunts, but I'm also expecting something they have to make the campaign doable (maybe lower supply cost or certain upgrade, not sure) This was very fun to watch
Ooh, so one thing you should know for warcraft 2 is that it is actually much less advanced in game design than you're giving it credit for! In this game, humans and orcs are identical statistically, with only some very minor differences in upgrade costs and spellcasting. Footmen = grunt, archer = troll, dragon = gryphon, knight = ogre, battleship = juggernaut, etc. The two races aren't completely identical, as paladins and ogre magi get different spells, mages and death knights get some different spells, archers/trolls get some different upgrades, and the attack/armor upgrades cost slightly different for the two factions. However, the vast majority of the roster for the two factions is completely identical. In multiplayer, the orcs are generally considered stronger than humans because bloodlust for ogre magi is a significantly stronger ability than healing is for paladins, and those are by far the best units in the game. The original StarCraft was a huge step forward in asymmetrical balance in rts, but it wasn't actually originally a part of the genre! For the first two warcrafts, the main difference between humans and orcs was just cosmetics!
@@redwings13400 I did not know that. Or, I think it's more accurate to say I didn't fully remember that when I said that. I do have some experience in Warcraft 2, but evidently not enough to remember that So the only difference would be concerning units that aren't going to be used in these runs in regards to the factions. In that case, I'm guessing the difference ends up being having to face bloodlust on the magi rather than anything regarding the human units themselves
@@Undeath9087 Pretty much. The biggest difference is just the level design more than anything else. In general, I'd consider both Tides of Darkness campaigns to be pretty easy ones, while the Beyond the Dark Portal campaigns are pretty brutal in terms of difficulty. Like, if I were to rate both campaigns in terms of starcraft 2 difficulty, Tides starts at casual, quickly transitions to normal, has a couple of hard levels near the end, then has one brutal level at the very end of the human campaign. Beyond, meanwhile, starts at hard and goes to brutal pretty quickly, with several levels being among the most challenging blizzard has ever released.
Interesting thing. Can you elaborate on the part with "the units are just different to what I'm used to" and "Half the units are slightly unfamiliar" ? Because, other than the spells, the units, their function, is very similar to their Warcraft 3 counterparts. And visually, I'd say they're easy to recognize/understand. And their voices and quotes are even more memorable (though Warcraft 3 stands very tall on that order aswell). And man, are axe throwing trolls cool or what ?
@@Winnetou17 Mostly in terms of how they play compared to Warcraft 3 in terms of movement, speed, damage type, and all that. The combat system is different between games so that made it slightly more difficult for me to grasp it at first. It wasn't that bad after some time, but at first, I didn't know what unit to go with, what was considered good, etc. It's easy enough to grasp, especially compared to Warcraft 1, but having come in from Warcraft 3 (actually started with Frozen Throne, so even Reign of Chaos took some getting used to at first), it had a bit of a learning curve at first.
I’m not entirely sure what you mean here. I don’t really see anything at 7:41 that would normally cause the ai to attack something it’s not, so can you explain what you mean a bit more?
@@test-rj2vlahhh. I’ll leave the technical explanations to someone else, but from my experience, this happens when towers fire in to the enemy base from outside of the enemy base. The ai seems to have some sort of logic loop here that calls on their units to defend their base when it’s under attack, but because my towers are outside of the region the ai thinks is their main base, they can’t find anything there and head back to their town hall. At least, that’s my best guess. I’m pretty sure it has something to do with towers firing from the edge of their base in to their base, and the ai not understanding how to process that.
I've honestly never heard of Legends of Arkain before, so that would be pretty difficult! I'm certainly willing to check it out if I have time, and if I enjoy the game enough/think it sounds fun, I'm open to the idea of building up to it.
@@redwings13400Legends of Arkain is custom campaign for Warcraft 3, but you shouldnt even try to beat it with only basic units because its 100% Impossible because basic units can get wrecked easilyy
@@M1389-v2o Oh neat! Well, I love custom campaigns, so I'll probably try it out at some point! Considering fanmade campaigns are often much harder than your average campaign, I highly doubt I'll be able to do it basic units only, but I guess I'll get back to you after I've tried it out. :)
Could you please do more videos on wc2? I would greatly appreciate the same challenge with archers/trolls. Or maybe Beyond the Dark Portal campaign. Great video by the way!
I'm currently planning on three more videos for wc2, one for each campaign in the game with only footmen/grunts. After that, I have no idea what I'm going to do. :) I think only archers/trolls would be a bit too similar to the only footmen/grunts run to be interesting, but I am open to other challenge runs in general. Glad you enjoyed! :D
@@kanbarusuruga2358 Maybe! But they also might handle pathfinding ever so slightlly better because they'd actually attack things, they have some pretty powerful if expensive upgrades, and they wouldn't be mortally terrified of dragons. They could even maybe take on ships with upgrades. There would be some give and take, and I'd probably try to ban towers if I were to use them. I might try it when I'm done with these videos, and if its interesting enough, I could make a video out of it.
@@Winnetou17 Well... Trolls are one of the only units in the game that get regeneration! With towers... Defending mightttt be doable. On slower game speeds... you could avoid random deaths from catapults... There are positives here, but the issue is that they're so frail, which means naval landings would be almost impossible, and cannon towers would be ridiculously hard to take out. I'm gonna go with probably not possible.
LoL @ Cho'gall getting killed for having the audacity to try to join the horde :)) Warcraft 2 doesn't just have rather basic pathfinding (though it is still better than Warcraft 1), but pretty basic AI too. And weird "rules" (the ranged units being "locked" after/before they shoot). To be fair, given the computers it had to run on (remember kids, Windows 95 was just released back then), I don't think they could've done a much better job with the pathfinding. The resolution and fog of war were very impressive already.
Hehe. I'll be honest, I didn't actually kill Cho'gall on purpose, but it felt so perfect that I had to keep that footage in there! :D Yep. I give the pathfinding a lot of grief in these videos, and that's because, well, it is pretty awful by today's standards. However, by 1995 standards, this game is incredible! They did a lot of stuff right in Warcraft 2, which is why I still go back to it today. The game is messy and unrefined but its still a lot of fun, and laid the groundwork for future rts games.
@@redwings13400 Yup, they did a lot of right indeed. Even though the mechanics of the game are way below par for today, they're still usable. And the aestethics of the game aged very well. It's still pretty to see, still a pleasure to hear. It really only lacks modern controls. Speaking of, there's a project named Wargus which is Warcraft 2 recreation in another engine (with a similar War1gus for Warcraft 1). Haven't got to check it, but it sounds neat. Especially for Warcraft 1, which, unfortunately, has waay too frustratingly dated controls.
I’m gonna guess that most levels are doable, but the levels involving naval landings on islands are probably impossible, and I feel like dalaran would be an absurd absolute nightmare. The other levels might be doable. The biggest issue with peons, aside from their frailty, is their ai. They run away from fights unless you specifically tell them to attack specific units, which would make micro almost impossible. This would make each level a tower rush, and while most would be doable this way, the naval landings would just be impossible to control.
@@redwings13400 he-he, thanks for elaborating although I mostly intended that as a joke, of course. I myself tried a couple of harder levels and gave up when it started to seem a time waster. Keep up the good work with the videos, they're fun to watch, especially your epilogues. 😂
Sometimes I'll use cheats to make it easier to test stuff out, or just look at the map and plan out what I'm going to do, but I never save over cheats in these runs. Its just a planning tool, and I don't use them to beat any levels.
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Oh my. Am I seeing some kind of Warcraft 2 Renaissance, or is it just my RUclips recommendations?
I have no idea lol. I'm honestly wondering the same question myself, my WC2 videos spiked in views the last few days and I have no clue why.
@@redwings13400 another guy, Admiral Iddy, was also doing WC2 challenge runs lately. But I don't know if the catalyst is him or someone else.
Yeah, I've seen his videos, they're pretty good! Well I'm always happy to give this game more exposure, its a classic :)
@@redwings13400 I primarily used to watch WTII warcraft and Azothans videos as well as Oreo's hellhalt TD
Great work. The close calls in the later missions made watching really captivating. Fun to see some challenges in Warcraft II too. Looking forward to watching the other campaigns :)
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it! I really appreciate the information about the save glitch, that's really helped me understand what's been going on in my Beyond footage :)
Great gRUNt! :) Thank you for providing a dopamine surge to my brain @ 5:22 . In general this feels how the horde does majority of fighting in my mind... just straight grunts with axes
:D Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
This was so much fun to watch! It brings back memories of playing this as a kid when it first came out. good stuff!
Aw thanks! Glad you enjoyed! :)
I really REALLY hope that someone out there believes the joke of you re-writing the WC2 plot to including people dying for not being a specific class xD
Haha. New alternate universe Warcraft lore. Figuring out the lore behind these runs can get very weird sometimes.
@@redwings13400 I mean so far warcraft fandom seems to be doing more fun warcraft lore than blizzard can currently do like with how playful Flying Buttress is with their warcraft videos. I think that if warcraft is a middle-point between goofy and serious then Blizzard went 90% goofy 10% serious while fans went 90% serious while 10% goofy which is why your jokes land so well. My heart was not prepared for 200 archers killing the dark portal and Danath killing Alleria in one run for being an archer but actually marrying her in another parallal universe for being the only alliance member alive in existence you legit accidently made adam and eve
Good stuff! Love warcraft 2
Thank you! :D
Your sound and voice have both improved, that's great. Though I hate this damn game :P
Thank you! I've put in a lot of effort in to improving that aspect of my videos, and I'm glad its paying off! :D
I love Warcraft 2 because it was my first exposure to blizzard RTS. However, it also doesn't hold up super well when compared to the rts games after it. The pathfinding makes this challenge SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT than it should be in certain places. However, its a double edged sword, because the AI follows the same pathfinding rules, which is the only thing that gives me any hope whatsoever in other moments.
You can actually beat tomb of sargaras without using your starting army. You can steal your opponents main with just 4 peons. You can kill the cannon tower guarding purples gold with the peons, build a hall and mine from it while purple is mining from it. After that you just build up. (The blue cannon tower will hit the hall, but luckily the hall has a bunch of hp.)
Huh, I'll have to try that if I make a save glitchless follow up video! That's really interesting!
Can't say I was expecting Warcraft 2. Not complaining though
The differences between Warcraft 2 and 3 are very interesting to see, between the pathing and lack of upkeep, as well as the fact that the units are just different to what I'm used to. I started with Warcraft 3 (I actually started with Frozen Throne to make it even weirder). Half the units are slightly unfamiliar to me (I've tried playing Warcraft 2 and managed a few missions, but while it's still playable enough for me, it's not as easy to get around to playing it as I thought it'd be)
Footmen next? Well, that should be interesting. I'm expecting more of the same problems coupled with the fact that footmen are likely stats wise not as strong as grunts, but I'm also expecting something they have to make the campaign doable (maybe lower supply cost or certain upgrade, not sure)
This was very fun to watch
Ooh, so one thing you should know for warcraft 2 is that it is actually much less advanced in game design than you're giving it credit for! In this game, humans and orcs are identical statistically, with only some very minor differences in upgrade costs and spellcasting. Footmen = grunt, archer = troll, dragon = gryphon, knight = ogre, battleship = juggernaut, etc.
The two races aren't completely identical, as paladins and ogre magi get different spells, mages and death knights get some different spells, archers/trolls get some different upgrades, and the attack/armor upgrades cost slightly different for the two factions. However, the vast majority of the roster for the two factions is completely identical. In multiplayer, the orcs are generally considered stronger than humans because bloodlust for ogre magi is a significantly stronger ability than healing is for paladins, and those are by far the best units in the game.
The original StarCraft was a huge step forward in asymmetrical balance in rts, but it wasn't actually originally a part of the genre! For the first two warcrafts, the main difference between humans and orcs was just cosmetics!
@@redwings13400 I did not know that. Or, I think it's more accurate to say I didn't fully remember that when I said that. I do have some experience in Warcraft 2, but evidently not enough to remember that
So the only difference would be concerning units that aren't going to be used in these runs in regards to the factions. In that case, I'm guessing the difference ends up being having to face bloodlust on the magi rather than anything regarding the human units themselves
@@Undeath9087 Pretty much. The biggest difference is just the level design more than anything else. In general, I'd consider both Tides of Darkness campaigns to be pretty easy ones, while the Beyond the Dark Portal campaigns are pretty brutal in terms of difficulty. Like, if I were to rate both campaigns in terms of starcraft 2 difficulty, Tides starts at casual, quickly transitions to normal, has a couple of hard levels near the end, then has one brutal level at the very end of the human campaign. Beyond, meanwhile, starts at hard and goes to brutal pretty quickly, with several levels being among the most challenging blizzard has ever released.
Interesting thing. Can you elaborate on the part with "the units are just different to what I'm used to" and "Half the units are slightly unfamiliar" ? Because, other than the spells, the units, their function, is very similar to their Warcraft 3 counterparts. And visually, I'd say they're easy to recognize/understand. And their voices and quotes are even more memorable (though Warcraft 3 stands very tall on that order aswell). And man, are axe throwing trolls cool or what ?
@@Winnetou17 Mostly in terms of how they play compared to Warcraft 3 in terms of movement, speed, damage type, and all that. The combat system is different between games so that made it slightly more difficult for me to grasp it at first. It wasn't that bad after some time, but at first, I didn't know what unit to go with, what was considered good, etc. It's easy enough to grasp, especially compared to Warcraft 1, but having come in from Warcraft 3 (actually started with Frozen Throne, so even Reign of Chaos took some getting used to at first), it had a bit of a learning curve at first.
Can someone explain why at 7:41 the AI does not attack? What conditions has to be met to intentionally cause it?
I’m not entirely sure what you mean here. I don’t really see anything at 7:41 that would normally cause the ai to attack something it’s not, so can you explain what you mean a bit more?
Sorry for typo. I mean 4:41. Like the red runs to your towers and then runs back without attacking.
@@test-rj2vlahhh. I’ll leave the technical explanations to someone else, but from my experience, this happens when towers fire in to the enemy base from outside of the enemy base. The ai seems to have some sort of logic loop here that calls on their units to defend their base when it’s under attack, but because my towers are outside of the region the ai thinks is their main base, they can’t find anything there and head back to their town hall.
At least, that’s my best guess. I’m pretty sure it has something to do with towers firing from the edge of their base in to their base, and the ai not understanding how to process that.
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Can you try to beat Legends of Arkain using only basic unit next?
I've honestly never heard of Legends of Arkain before, so that would be pretty difficult! I'm certainly willing to check it out if I have time, and if I enjoy the game enough/think it sounds fun, I'm open to the idea of building up to it.
@@redwings13400Legends of Arkain is custom campaign for Warcraft 3, but you shouldnt even try to beat it with only basic units because its 100% Impossible because basic units can get wrecked easilyy
@@M1389-v2o Oh neat! Well, I love custom campaigns, so I'll probably try it out at some point! Considering fanmade campaigns are often much harder than your average campaign, I highly doubt I'll be able to do it basic units only, but I guess I'll get back to you after I've tried it out. :)
@@redwings13400Legends of Arkain are really good and hard campaign, its amazing how you havent heard of it yet
Could you please do more videos on wc2? I would greatly appreciate the same challenge with archers/trolls. Or maybe Beyond the Dark Portal campaign. Great video by the way!
I'm currently planning on three more videos for wc2, one for each campaign in the game with only footmen/grunts. After that, I have no idea what I'm going to do. :)
I think only archers/trolls would be a bit too similar to the only footmen/grunts run to be interesting, but I am open to other challenge runs in general.
Glad you enjoyed! :D
@@redwings13400 I think archers only would be much harder as they are so brittle. Looking forward for new videos!
@@kanbarusuruga2358 Maybe! But they also might handle pathfinding ever so slightlly better because they'd actually attack things, they have some pretty powerful if expensive upgrades, and they wouldn't be mortally terrified of dragons. They could even maybe take on ships with upgrades. There would be some give and take, and I'd probably try to ban towers if I were to use them. I might try it when I'm done with these videos, and if its interesting enough, I could make a video out of it.
@@redwings13400 Trolls only, deathless :P
@@Winnetou17 Well... Trolls are one of the only units in the game that get regeneration! With towers... Defending mightttt be doable. On slower game speeds... you could avoid random deaths from catapults...
There are positives here, but the issue is that they're so frail, which means naval landings would be almost impossible, and cannon towers would be ridiculously hard to take out. I'm gonna go with probably not possible.
these are sweet
Thank you! :)
LoL @ Cho'gall getting killed for having the audacity to try to join the horde :))
Warcraft 2 doesn't just have rather basic pathfinding (though it is still better than Warcraft 1), but pretty basic AI too. And weird "rules" (the ranged units being "locked" after/before they shoot).
To be fair, given the computers it had to run on (remember kids, Windows 95 was just released back then), I don't think they could've done a much better job with the pathfinding. The resolution and fog of war were very impressive already.
Hehe. I'll be honest, I didn't actually kill Cho'gall on purpose, but it felt so perfect that I had to keep that footage in there! :D
Yep. I give the pathfinding a lot of grief in these videos, and that's because, well, it is pretty awful by today's standards. However, by 1995 standards, this game is incredible! They did a lot of stuff right in Warcraft 2, which is why I still go back to it today. The game is messy and unrefined but its still a lot of fun, and laid the groundwork for future rts games.
@@redwings13400 Yup, they did a lot of right indeed. Even though the mechanics of the game are way below par for today, they're still usable. And the aestethics of the game aged very well. It's still pretty to see, still a pleasure to hear. It really only lacks modern controls.
Speaking of, there's a project named Wargus which is Warcraft 2 recreation in another engine (with a similar War1gus for Warcraft 1). Haven't got to check it, but it sounds neat. Especially for Warcraft 1, which, unfortunately, has waay too frustratingly dated controls.
While this thing is undoubtedly fantastic, can you actually beat Tides of Darkness with only peons? :D
I’m gonna guess that most levels are doable, but the levels involving naval landings on islands are probably impossible, and I feel like dalaran would be an absurd absolute nightmare. The other levels might be doable.
The biggest issue with peons, aside from their frailty, is their ai. They run away from fights unless you specifically tell them to attack specific units, which would make micro almost impossible. This would make each level a tower rush, and while most would be doable this way, the naval landings would just be impossible to control.
@@redwings13400 he-he, thanks for elaborating although I mostly intended that as a joke, of course. I myself tried a couple of harder levels and gave up when it started to seem a time waster. Keep up the good work with the videos, they're fun to watch, especially your epilogues. 😂
Why make rules for the game if you're gonna enable cheats?
Sometimes I'll use cheats to make it easier to test stuff out, or just look at the map and plan out what I'm going to do, but I never save over cheats in these runs. Its just a planning tool, and I don't use them to beat any levels.
@@redwings13400 Ah I'm a dumbass, I didn't realize it was the map vision you used lol