Very optimistic and passionate messege! Among so many debates on forums it is refreshing to see this perspective on low cost eGPUs. The exciting thing about this is that a good 2nd or 3rd gen quad i7 laptop w merely expresscard/mpcie connection provides surprising performance for relatively low cost. I have Been getting decent results with an RX 480 via EC on a thinkpad t530 (3740qm) output to external monitor. Yet Id rather have 15-20 higher frames, while keeping my revered laptop. Would you recommend Nvidia ( maybe a 1060 3gb for 135$, or 1070 for 250ish ) for a better experience (due to better "compression")? Or is the difference only noticeable for internal screen?
I dont understant. I thought people were talking about the bottleneck coming from not having the card directly connected and instead running from external into mini pcie, or lightning, using an adapter? So why are you talking about all this other stuff??? You should be discussing how the adapters work with thier connection, ie. mini pcie and how much information is being sent.
Untill you go either above 2-.2.5gb used of vram or like a 980ti or 1070, even this pci-e adapter will give you 80% of the performance, the moment you go high tier card or alot of vram usage that changes. Youll get bottlenecked then, this video had sections where i showed that in general usage there is no bottleneck due to the adapter. I got the same scores as the same cards got on a full size pc
Valley benchmark isn't a cpu stressing benchmark. Better cpus can only increase your minimums causing better averages but very minimal. Honestly you don't need a more beefier cpu for 60fps gaming with a 970. I agree with his decision for sticking with his setup. It may be bottlenecked in some cases but even on those cases the 970 is still technically an upgrade because he gets better FPS even if not the full potential of the GPU. In the end both sides have a point but no one is actually wrong. Let's just rejoice he didn't just buy a console, my fellow pcmasterrace members😄
i've also just build a dekstop. it was not worth it. spend a lot of money, it was fun building + i'm gonna do a custom loop on it. it's not fully finished modding wise and i miss some ram aswell but it looks hella dope. i did a open case build. painted stuff and all. people will probably like it. but performance wise, indeed what you said. the laptop upgrade was far better investment. also heaven/valley are just to see how much bottleneck the gpu/cpu have though the mini pci-e gen 2 lane
Question, what resource can a person find for identifying the various slightly different internal ports with visual similarities to the mpcie and m.2, and similar? I opened my case, and found two that were almost identical, and really don't want to buy the wrong hardware, so I need something with full infographics like a PDF somewhere. From what I can tell, my build is similar to the base of what you're doing here. Old laptop with a poor graphics card, but useable stats everywhere else, and a distinct lack of a thunderbolt3. Should be the perfect candidate for the Beast. I just need to make 110% certain I'm swapping the right card, and buying the right cord and power source. the new card is a 1050.
One of the best videos i've ever seen. I have a toshiba satelitte s55t-a5277 with intel core i7 4700mq and 12gb ram and nvidia gt 740m and recently i bought an evga gtx1070 and ordered exp gdc to connect it .. i still wait for the exp gdc shipping and hoping to get a good result by connecting these specs together .
@@Gagliano17 all am hoping right now to the exp gdc to work with my Toshiba because i did not see any reviews about someone try it with the same laptop i have. After that if it work fine i am happy with the result whatever it be 😆 at least still better than my integrated Gt740m 😊😊
@@Gagliano17 i have another question .. in the site you mentioned .. i don't know if the result will be measured at pcie 16X or pcie1x gen 1,2,3 coz that will change the whole idea about the real bottlenecking result. Any idea?
The score isn't exactly the same. The minimum FPS displayed here is nearly half of some of those posts in the Reddit thread displayed. That means there is a higher likelihood for framerate dips and even stuttering during actual gameplay. It's still the best way to upgrade a laptop though, and I will be getting an eGPU for mine too.
Hey man, I own the asus rog501jw, meaning that TB3 is not available like with the asus 501vw models of the same time, only thunderbolt 2. Would you recommend me using an egpu with thunderbolt or like you, trying to hook it up with the graphic card. My laptop is running at 960m intel i7 4720hq 2,6ghz 16gb ram and two ssd's, I am getting a strong bottleneck calculation with my 960m. I want to do video editing with the system and davinci uses the graphic card more. Would be a huge help to get tips from you. Cheers
I like your way of talking. Not flat and mundane like the others :D. Thanks for explaining. Planning to get external gpu for my laptop, its an i5 4200. Not really that great but I noticed that when playing it wasnt maxed out but the GPU was running 100% all the time, lol. My friend offer me two option used for cheap 970 or 1060 for like $10ish more, seems overkillisnt? But is it worthed do you think haha? Thanks for the egpu videos btw!
I have a dell laptop with i5 7th gen (7200u), I'm thinking of using an egpu with rx 570 (4gb), but it has 36% bottleneck with this cpu (according to PC BUILDS site). My question is : will I get more fps with a rx 560 (because it won’t bottleneck with my cpu) than rx 570?
@Dennis G Hi brother first and foremost thank you for making this video, I have a few questions if you dont mind answering them would be most appreciated, first of all I have a dell inspirion 17r 5720 with 8gb 1600 ram and a 1tb 7200 mech hd also it has a gt 630m 1gb gddr5 dedicated gpu thats running on pcie 8x my first question is when i disable this in the bios to install my exp gdc v8.0 in the mini pcie slot will this make it run on 8x? second how can i tell what version of PCIE my board has, 3rd i ran that bottleneck calculator and it says ill b 10.47% bottleneck but thats on 2.2ghz (base clock)correct? so when it runs turbo boost i shouldnt be bottlenecked at all right? and my last question is i have a gigabyte gtx 970 g1 gaming(windforce), but was thinking about getting a gtx 1060 6gb should i stick with the 970 i mean like would the 1060 receive worse performance? Sorry actually this is the last thing, idk if you have ever heard of Rust, but would i get good performance on that game? if you require anymore information please lmk and thank you in advance and keep up the good work Edit: sorry one last thing i just read something else that confused the heck out of me according to something i read on toms hardware it says that ill only have m.2 or mpcie yet i have a m.2 spot on the board and a mpcie wifi card that i was planning on removing and using the exp gdc v8.0 mpcie adapter when i looked at the m.2 version its full sized m.2 (long) my m.2 is like 1/2 that the reason i know its a mpcie slot is because the screw holes line up the same as my wifi card and the m.2 is 1 screw in the middle of the back im sorry im confused as heck now, considering i already ordered the exp gdc i guess ill ljust have to wait and find out
nope, since i got a desktop now too, i dont really need to upgrade that, the 9 does not have much different features beside two mini pci-e connections, which i dont have anyway, my laptop does not have m.2 or anything else i could use
depends on what gpu you'd try to run, but always with dual cores i suggest 750 ti's, it does not need a psu, just a 100w adapter, it runs soley on the pci-e lane (75w enough for the 750ti) and it outperforms the 1050ti.
Are you sure cuz userbenchmarks.com and youtube comparisons show otherwise, or the 750ti just works better on egpu systems? Moreover there isn't much price gap between the cards here in India, just 30-40 $
the 1050 requires a pci-e gen 3, while the 750 uses gen 2, and all laptops that are a little older have a mini pci-e gen 2 lane, meaning the 750 ti woud suffer less from bottlenecks, and if you watch youtube videos of real side by side of the 750 and 1050, you'll see the 750 has higher fps across
How do I know generation of pci-e on my laptop because 1 bought it a year ago but Indian market is famed for lagging behind ? and for comparison i saw this vid ruclips.net/video/Vb-Gdplt5YI/видео.html
Hey man I've been following your vedeos for a while, as I want to do the same thing with my laptop. It's running on a Core i3-3110M, and I intend to put a GT 1030, since I'm building everything on a budget, and I'm not aiming ot recent AAA games at the moment. Considering my processor, budget GPU, the fact that I'll be using 2 monitors, and the "bottleneck" caused by the eGPU, do you think that the GT 1030 will be a good choice, or do I have some better options? Thx m8
a 750 ti is better then 1030. i always recommend atleast a 750 ti, they will perform the same when both bottlenecked but i'd still go just to be safe with a 750 ti, they cost both the same i think
Well, a GTX 750 ti costs a little more than a GT 1030 around here (a normal 750 is even less lol), but I think it will be worth it... Let's see if i can get one next monh Thanks dude :)
don't rush stuff, always try to find good prices. i've waited 4 months to sell my 960, and it was real big luck that i've found the same day a 970 for like 60 euro below it's usual price.
Thanks for explaining these things. Most of people just say that it bottlenecks cause of PCIe port. And now I'm really thinkig in to getting an old i7 laptop and external gpu. But it would probably cost me more than i5 2500k, 970 gtx 16gb 2133 (used components from ebay). But laptop with egpu is dope af :D
What it could be better for my toshiba with i7 2630qm 2.0 ghz to 2.8 ghz? 8gb ram 1333mhz I am thinking in buying an amd r. 570 or rx 560 is it okay? Which one could be a better choice
hello Dennis, I have an asus n53sv with i5 2410m / 12gb ram ddr3 1600mhz and a Dell DA-2, what graphics card do you recommend, 750ti (57us) or 950 (91us)?
For a real Question though, could you make a tutorial on making Breath of the wild run well on CEMU. I have a build that can appreantly handle it more than enough but its struggling.
your rant sounds like my uncle ranting :D im about to setup an egpu config using a 1060 with a NGFF port. do you have any experience with those beast egpus ?
With beast egpus are you refering to the exp gdc 8.4b with ngff connection? They all work the same say just the amount of bottleneck due to connection travel differes, i personally havent used the ngff itself but it wont be very different from the mpcie
macbooks do not really make much usage of it, if you render you wont notice much difference, for gaming, you'd need a thunderbolt egpu, that's gonna be much more expensive
Dennis Gagliano yea I would wait for the Apple egpu to come out, I’m wondering if I should pay more for the 3.1ghz and if the egpu would produce higher frames with it than the 2.9 if they had same quad core boost limit?
all the fps on the external screen will be half the fps on the internal screen, the reason is: the external screen is setup like this: laptop -> egpu -> external screen, all the traffic goes one way, means the mini pci-e lane can be used 100% in one direction, giving the cable 100% traffic, but if the information has to return from the egpu, back in to the mini pci-e lane to communicate with the intel hd that controls the internal screen, then it has to travel back and forth, meaning 50% of the hdmi is going to the egpu while 50% is travling back to the internal lcd, giving half the fps as a result, this can be bypassed by making the internal screen also a external screen (it's possible)
i don't think their is a tutorial really, but i can kind of explain, every lcd has a model number, if you take that number and ebay it you can find control boards, these will connect with your internal lcd and you need to provide then with 12v 3a, which you can take from the motherboard if you have the knowledge, otherwise you can use a power supply, and then your internal lcd has a controlboard with a hdmi in out and all you could need, to make it a external lcd, here's a example for my own n73 lcd: www.banggood.com/Mini-PCI-E-Version-V8_0-EXP-GDC-Beast-Laptop-External-Independent-Video-Card-Dock-p-1011222.html?rmmds=search , i was planning on doing this, but i got other plans atm, so i'm not sure if i'll do it. has to do with what i can get atm, while booting the intel hd runs and not the egpu, so to have a bios and stuff, you'd have to connect the hdmi out from your LAPTOP and also connect that to the internal screen controlboard
@@Gagliano17 I could never find it in the comments nor the description, but after a little digging around with audio I found one. But thank you for trying to help.
Hey I have an old i7 5500 u the website u mentioned here is gone, I used another website but it is not giving a result saying incompatible. I am looking for gpu's, what do u think would be a good gpu for the dual core?
I was surprised to see that my bottleneck will be only 8.33% when I upgrade to the i7 4610m but I’m not sure what it will really be since I will be using an express card connection
yeah so it's a good gpu to use, but you will indeed get bottlenecked more by the connection, but what i've always found is that it only really starts to bottleneck once you use alot of vram. the vram is what creates alot of traffic
Too Salty to Function anything that doesnt use huge amount of vram, doom, tomb raider, gta 5 they all work fine but high vram usage is more bottlneck on the pcie
+Nguyen Khai i had my 960 egpu also oc’d and my 970 too, the cards are factory protected with oc, they can only crash from ocs but cant burn or break, they have a bios protection, even its voltage can only be uped a certain amount so yes its totaly safe, use msi afterburner and look up guides on youtube, it's very safe, and don't be scared if your gpu crashes. that's what it's supposed to do on to high oc, when you reboot it will be reverted and you can lower it and youtube videos are very detailed in how to do that, keep also an eye on temps, i don't need to because it's outside but yeah
I'm not part of a network (and don't want to be), but i am partner'd with youtube, just the main partnership, did that when i had like 50 subs i think?
Dennis Gagliano okay, myself I'm from the partnership called Freedom! If you're ever interested in joining ask me whatever you want and otherwise have fun on RUclips :P
Thanks for that video! I subscribed! I am planning to build myself a new PC to put im my room. I know I already have a PC with GTX 1070, i7 6700k, 16 RAM ect... but I am only allowed to play on it 3 hours a week with a timer! Even tho I bought it with my own money and I have good grades! But anyways that PC will be in my room where no one could see my screen when I pretend to do homework. So can you guys tell me If my build is good or what I can improve? AMD ryzen 3 1200 overclocked ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard Patriot - Viper Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Sapphire - Radeon RX 560 2GB PULSE Video Card BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case EVGA - 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply Anyways I love your channel! :)
i really can't help you with that, i suck at amd + ryzen, i really do, reddit might help there, pcbuilds reddit. that timer stuff sucks i had the same thing growing up, but once you move out you'll be in heaven :)
1050's are shit, really. even a 960 is better and cost less, 970 performs 2x the fps. don't waste your money on 1050's: gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/2577vs3649
I found an RX 470 for 250$. (25% better fps than 1050ti) I know you dont know AMD stuff but would you recommend something 250$ that performs 25% better than 1050ti? The cheapest 1050 ti is 190$ and the RX 470 is 250$. But the thing is the RX 470 is more future proof because new games are better AMD optimized.
Syed Salleh nope, those use thunderbolt cables, they are capable of performing at 16x pci speeds, so the gpu will have no connection bottleneck, but the cpu/gpu bottlenecks will apply if the cpu or gpu exceeds the others, so pairing a gpu depends on what cpu that laptop runs and ofc the laptop needs to support thunderbolt 3
@@Gagliano17 Thanks for the reply. I'm using razer blade stealth 2015 using an Intel Core i7-6500U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3130 GHz). Meanwhile, i'm planning to use a 1080ti graphic. Tell me your honest opinion, would it be fine?
Which is obvious and explained, also the mini pcie is a 4x lane, also most gpus i recommend only ever pass the 4x on huge vram usage which i think i explained too
well it will work. but probably will be bottlenecked. i did have a 1070 myself on the asus n73sv, it did work, so i can tell you that much, and if you'll build your desktop the 1070 will be great then, so if you're really gonna get a desktop, then do it, otherwise don't spend that much on a egpu. i did the same, i'm building a custom watercooled pc right now, using the 970 from my laptop
pretty much any laptop that has wifi build in has a mini pci-e port, you remove the wifi module and replace that with the egpu, i'll check for ya hang on
it's under the keyboard, you'll have to make somewhere a hole to get that running, the best option would be to remove the battery, and make a hole in the battery bay that's the closest to the mini pci-e + facing the right way, ruclips.net/video/Zd1NISaHWTk/видео.html , watch 8:19, there you can see it, close to the cpu fan
wow i didnt knew something like that bottleneck caluclater existed ! i tried it out with i5 4200m with gtx 970 the result was 21% ! i dont understand why so much bottleneck! i was hoping to add 970 or 1060 to lenovo g510. even 960 is giving 15 % :(
i learned something today :) core does matters in bottleneck. i checked cpu upgrade for my lapi , it gives 10-11 less bottleneck then 4200m , upgrading the cpu then using egpu will be costly ,i think adding a 1060 would be fine for medium settings gaming. whats your thought on this ? thanks
i5-5400u does not excist, a gtx 650 would be low for that, i'd always go with a 750 ti or 1050 ti, depending on budget + cpu atleast. even with bottlenecks you'll get much performance out of it. if you own a gtx 650 okay, test that then but consider upgrading in the future, but what cpu are you running
why didn't you watch my bottleneck video before posting a assumption comment that is wrong? or any other video where i play triple a titles at maxed settings without even remote of a stutter? but sure live life, guessing and making assumptions. if you'd have watched you'd seen that i get the same scores as desktop pc's with the same card...
here's a 290x in ROTTR. One is running at pcie 2.0 @ 1x and the other at pcie 3.0 @ 16x. Pcie 16x is getting over twice the fps. Need more proof? imgur.com/a/4QjTN
you didn't listen to my video. so no i do not any proof from someone that does not even tries to listen, i clearly state that TOMB RIDER SPECIFIC, i even say tomb raider in the video, uses to much vram for a mini pci-e, and thereby THAT GAME SPECIFIC, or any game that uses a lot of vram will create a bottleneck, so please go annoy someone else by being dumb. i say in general the bottleneck is okay for most things, but anything that uses more then 2gigs of vram will bottleneck more. god you're so stubborn. your coming with stuff i've already mention, lmao. and again, fkn drama that you get double the fps. 40 is enough for most people, especially when they own a laptop. the point is to take a laptop that gets 3 fps in tomb raider, and make it so it runs maxed settings at 40 fps, nobody cares if that card in a desktop can run at 80. really nobody. this is for laptop owners, you're not one of them, go live your life. if someone has a twingo and he get's a porsche, you'll be that one dumbass to tell him that lambo would have been better.
then show me why i get 55 fps on my mini pci-e and a desktop gtx 970 is getting 55 fps, show me that ;) obv your way of running an amd card on a pci1x gen 2 is not working the way my egpu setup works. we can test that real easy, go to my gta 5 video, take the settings run your stuff at gen 2 pci1x and if you're not getting my fps then your shit ain't working as my egpu and thereby nobody cares about what you have since this is about egpu's. odd that russians did the same thing and didn't notice much difference even on higher end cards. also you're comparing amd to nvidia which does not work. ever thought of the fact that amd's might just use more bandwidth overal?
I have a 2017 spectre with 7th gen i7 7500u. I got a sonnet and 1050 ti to slap in it. I get over 100 FPS on fortnite and rocket league, and after some slight modding I’ve been playing subnautica at around 60 FPS pretty decently. 4 lane tb3. Way better then my shitty ps4
+XLBY yes but thats good, that means you’re using 100% of the gpu, that cpu is a monster so thats good, meaning you could hook up like a 1080ti with a thunderbolt egpu 👌🏼
i won't be getting another laptop, and i'll do something with this (maybe use the lcd to build a screen from it) or something, but i have no plans for this, i do however have plans for a open wall kind of build, but only for gigs, i don't really need to but i could :)
The only reason i did it was because my laptop was overheating and i could not fix it so i made a diy heat sink to put on the gpu and cpu now playing gta 5 on high setting the cpu stays around 40c before it was a 120c.
120c damn, i have a video on my channel about how i fixed my cooling, two videos, but the opolar lc06 probably would have safed you, also cleaning the fan (i'm making a video on that atm)
Dennis Gagliano i have really weak cpu in laptop. It's very bad in games. And the worst part of it is intel hd graphics. So i was looking for some gpu on ebay. Firstly I was looking for gtx 970 with little hope. It show 29 % bottleneck. So I found gtx 950 for good price. It show 23 %. I wish it will add some performance to my laptop.
Break my limit daddy
+TheLastPerez sure thing
Dennis i feel as you don't know my love for you as much as you do. Maybe we should link up and touch PCI ports together
i doo, but i'm probably bottlenecked :c, so i can only sprout out a certain amount, my pci-e is only running at 1x gen 2
Dennis Gagliano ar ar ar ar
sound like bender and his fling getting their thang on lol
Very optimistic and passionate messege! Among so many debates on forums it is refreshing to see this perspective on low cost eGPUs.
The exciting thing about this is that a good 2nd or 3rd gen quad i7 laptop w merely expresscard/mpcie connection provides surprising performance for relatively low cost.
I have Been getting decent results with an RX 480 via EC on a thinkpad t530 (3740qm) output to external monitor. Yet Id rather have 15-20 higher frames, while keeping my revered laptop.
Would you recommend Nvidia ( maybe a 1060 3gb for 135$, or 1070 for 250ish ) for a better experience (due to better "compression")? Or is the difference only noticeable for internal screen?
I dont understant. I thought people were talking about the bottleneck coming from not having the card directly connected and instead running from external into mini pcie, or lightning, using an adapter? So why are you talking about all this other stuff??? You should be discussing how the adapters work with thier connection, ie. mini pcie and how much information is being sent.
Untill you go either above 2-.2.5gb used of vram or like a 980ti or 1070, even this pci-e adapter will give you 80% of the performance, the moment you go high tier card or alot of vram usage that changes. Youll get bottlenecked then, this video had sections where i showed that in general usage there is no bottleneck due to the adapter. I got the same scores as the same cards got on a full size pc
Valley benchmark isn't a cpu stressing benchmark. Better cpus can only increase your minimums causing better averages but very minimal. Honestly you don't need a more beefier cpu for 60fps gaming with a 970. I agree with his decision for sticking with his setup. It may be bottlenecked in some cases but even on those cases the 970 is still technically an upgrade because he gets better FPS even if not the full potential of the GPU. In the end both sides have a point but no one is actually wrong. Let's just rejoice he didn't just buy a console, my fellow pcmasterrace members😄
i've also just build a dekstop. it was not worth it. spend a lot of money, it was fun building + i'm gonna do a custom loop on it. it's not fully finished modding wise and i miss some ram aswell but it looks hella dope. i did a open case build. painted stuff and all. people will probably like it. but performance wise, indeed what you said. the laptop upgrade was far better investment. also heaven/valley are just to see how much bottleneck the gpu/cpu have though the mini pci-e gen 2 lane
r4wn4k there is a bottleneck but not all the time, only if you use alot of vram, but the rest you said is correct
Question, what resource can a person find for identifying the various slightly different internal ports with visual similarities to the mpcie and m.2, and similar? I opened my case, and found two that were almost identical, and really don't want to buy the wrong hardware, so I need something with full infographics like a PDF somewhere. From what I can tell, my build is similar to the base of what you're doing here. Old laptop with a poor graphics card, but useable stats everywhere else, and a distinct lack of a thunderbolt3. Should be the perfect candidate for the Beast. I just need to make 110% certain I'm swapping the right card, and buying the right cord and power source. the new card is a 1050.
For my AMD A4 (4core and 2.0gzh) processor which graphic card is best...either gtx750(2gb) or gtx 750ti(4gb)..……?
One of the best videos i've ever seen.
I have a toshiba satelitte s55t-a5277 with intel core i7 4700mq and 12gb ram and nvidia gt 740m and recently i bought an evga gtx1070 and ordered exp gdc to connect it .. i still wait for the exp gdc shipping and hoping to get a good result by connecting these specs together .
You will get good results but a 1070 is a bit overkill for the exp, youll have a bit more performance loss in regard what a 1070 could do
@@Gagliano17 all am hoping right now to the exp gdc to work with my Toshiba because i did not see any reviews about someone try it with the same laptop i have.
After that if it work fine i am happy with the result whatever it be 😆 at least still better than my integrated Gt740m 😊😊
@@Gagliano17 i have another question .. in the site you mentioned .. i don't know if the result will be measured at pcie 16X or pcie1x gen 1,2,3 coz that will change the whole idea about the real bottlenecking result.
Any idea?
The score isn't exactly the same. The minimum FPS displayed here is nearly half of some of those posts in the Reddit thread displayed. That means there is a higher likelihood for framerate dips and even stuttering during actual gameplay. It's still the best way to upgrade a laptop though, and I will be getting an eGPU for mine too.
it has to do with vram usage, the bottlenecks kicks in the more vram usage a game has
Hey man, I own the asus rog501jw, meaning that TB3 is not available like with the asus 501vw models of the same time, only thunderbolt 2. Would you recommend me using an egpu with thunderbolt or like you, trying to hook it up with the graphic card.
My laptop is running at 960m intel i7 4720hq 2,6ghz 16gb ram and two ssd's, I am getting a strong bottleneck calculation with my 960m. I want to do video editing with the system and davinci uses the graphic card more.
Would be a huge help to get tips from you. Cheers
I like your way of talking. Not flat and mundane like the others :D. Thanks for explaining. Planning to get external gpu for my laptop, its an i5 4200. Not really that great but I noticed that when playing it wasnt maxed out but the GPU was running 100% all the time, lol. My friend offer me two option used for cheap 970 or 1060 for like $10ish more, seems overkillisnt? But is it worthed do you think haha? Thanks for the egpu videos btw!
I have a dell laptop with i5 7th gen (7200u), I'm thinking of using an egpu with rx 570 (4gb), but it has 36% bottleneck with this cpu (according to PC BUILDS site). My question is : will I get more fps with a rx 560 (because it won’t bottleneck with my cpu) than rx 570?
@Dennis G Hi brother first and foremost thank you for making this video, I have a few questions if you dont mind answering them would be most appreciated, first of all I have a dell inspirion 17r 5720 with 8gb 1600 ram and a 1tb 7200 mech hd also it has a gt 630m 1gb gddr5 dedicated gpu thats running on pcie 8x my first question is when i disable this in the bios to install my exp gdc v8.0 in the mini pcie slot will this make it run on 8x? second how can i tell what version of PCIE my board has, 3rd i ran that bottleneck calculator and it says ill b 10.47% bottleneck but thats on 2.2ghz (base clock)correct? so when it runs turbo boost i shouldnt be bottlenecked at all right? and my last question is i have a gigabyte gtx 970 g1 gaming(windforce), but was thinking about getting a gtx 1060 6gb should i stick with the 970 i mean like would the 1060 receive worse performance? Sorry actually this is the last thing, idk if you have ever heard of Rust, but would i get good performance on that game? if you require anymore information please lmk and thank you in advance and keep up the good work
Edit: sorry one last thing i just read something else that confused the heck out of me according to something i read on toms hardware it says that ill only have m.2 or mpcie yet i have a m.2 spot on the board and a mpcie wifi card that i was planning on removing and using the exp gdc v8.0 mpcie adapter when i looked at the m.2 version its full sized m.2 (long) my m.2 is like 1/2 that the reason i know its a mpcie slot is because the screw holes line up the same as my wifi card and the m.2 is 1 screw in the middle of the back im sorry im confused as heck now, considering i already ordered the exp gdc i guess ill ljust have to wait and find out
To know what exp jdc version check your wifi cable in your motherboard then look for the exp jdc that goes with it.
will you be making a vid on EXP GDC Beast v.9.0b setup, demo, and test soon?
nope, since i got a desktop now too, i dont really need to upgrade that, the 9 does not have much different features beside two mini pci-e connections, which i dont have anyway, my laptop does not have m.2 or anything else i could use
How much bottleneck do you expect on a i5-6200u with 1050ti or a 1060 ???
depends on what gpu you'd try to run, but always with dual cores i suggest 750 ti's, it does not need a psu, just a 100w adapter, it runs soley on the pci-e lane (75w enough for the 750ti) and it outperforms the 1050ti.
Are you sure cuz userbenchmarks.com and youtube comparisons show otherwise, or the 750ti just works better on egpu systems? Moreover there isn't much price gap between the cards here in India, just 30-40 $
the 1050 requires a pci-e gen 3, while the 750 uses gen 2, and all laptops that are a little older have a mini pci-e gen 2 lane, meaning the 750 ti woud suffer less from bottlenecks, and if you watch youtube videos of real side by side of the 750 and 1050, you'll see the 750 has higher fps across
How do I know generation of pci-e on my laptop because 1 bought it a year ago but Indian market is famed for lagging behind ? and for comparison i saw this vid ruclips.net/video/Vb-Gdplt5YI/видео.html
hwinfo64 or gpu-z both can show it like this: imgur.com/a/f2L1O
Very Nice video !
cyprien barbault thank you i hope this clears stuff up :)
Hey man
I've been following your vedeos for a while, as I want to do the same thing with my laptop.
It's running on a Core i3-3110M, and I intend to put a GT 1030, since I'm building everything on a budget, and I'm not aiming ot recent AAA games at the moment.
Considering my processor, budget GPU, the fact that I'll be using 2 monitors, and the "bottleneck" caused by the eGPU, do you think that the GT 1030 will be a good choice, or do I have some better options?
Thx m8
a 750 ti is better then 1030. i always recommend atleast a 750 ti, they will perform the same when both bottlenecked but i'd still go just to be safe with a 750 ti, they cost both the same i think
Well, a GTX 750 ti costs a little more than a GT 1030 around here (a normal 750 is even less lol), but I think it will be worth it...
Let's see if i can get one next monh
Thanks dude :)
don't rush stuff, always try to find good prices. i've waited 4 months to sell my 960, and it was real big luck that i've found the same day a 970 for like 60 euro below it's usual price.
Dennis Gagliano sure thing
I'll se what I can find when the Brazilian black Friday comes up
i have i7-4710hq + gtx 1060 6gb + 16gb ram and I get the same avg fps, shouldnt i be getting a little better than urs?
Thanks for explaining these things. Most of people just say that it bottlenecks cause of PCIe port. And now I'm really thinkig in to getting an old i7 laptop and external gpu. But it would probably cost me more than i5 2500k, 970 gtx 16gb 2133 (used components from ebay). But laptop with egpu is dope af :D
if you can get a desktop cheaper and have the space. do that.
What it could be better for my toshiba with i7 2630qm 2.0 ghz to 2.8 ghz? 8gb ram 1333mhz
I am thinking in buying an amd r. 570 or rx 560 is it okay? Which one could be a better choice
Question. If I have 8Gb system RAM, and add a graphics card with 8GB video RAM, will I now have a total of 16GB for my computer to use for ALL tasks?
System RAM and video RAM are separate things mate.
@@ridgeman3391 ok ty
i have i7 4510u 16 gb ram will it bottleneck with 1060 6gb?
the fuck, i7 dual core, yes it will.
no dude just a bit it will be playable
dont listen to dennis. He's doesn't realize whats going on here. It will run fine, prolly the same as a older i5 or a newer i3.
hello Dennis, I have an asus n53sv with i5 2410m / 12gb ram ddr3 1600mhz and a Dell DA-2, what graphics card do you recommend, 750ti (57us) or 950 (91us)?
750 ti or 960, for 57 the 750 ti is a good deal to get
For a real Question though, could you make a tutorial on making Breath of the wild run well on CEMU. I have a build that can appreantly handle it more than enough but its struggling.
TheLastPerez it’s already on my to do list ✌🏻
Dennis Gagliano Thank you sweetie
I have a i7 3632qm I want to use gtx 970 the site says ``you will get %20 bottleneck" can i use this setup without problem
your rant sounds like my uncle ranting :D
im about to setup an egpu config using a 1060 with a NGFF port. do you have any experience with those beast egpus ?
With beast egpus are you refering to the exp gdc 8.4b with ngff connection? They all work the same say just the amount of bottleneck due to connection travel differes, i personally havent used the ngff itself but it wont be very different from the mpcie
If I were to get MacBook Pro, would it be worth getting 3.1ghz over the 2.9ghz if the turbo boost reaches the same maximum?
macbooks do not really make much usage of it, if you render you wont notice much difference, for gaming, you'd need a thunderbolt egpu, that's gonna be much more expensive
Dennis Gagliano yea I would wait for the Apple egpu to come out, I’m wondering if I should pay more for the 3.1ghz and if the egpu would produce higher frames with it than the 2.9 if they had same quad core boost limit?
I can’t say, has alot to do with your usage, apple will not bring out egpu, there are already some you can use on mac, thunderbolt ones
How much of the performance will be bottlenecked with the internal screen, and why?
all the fps on the external screen will be half the fps on the internal screen, the reason is: the external screen is setup like this: laptop -> egpu -> external screen, all the traffic goes one way, means the mini pci-e lane can be used 100% in one direction, giving the cable 100% traffic, but if the information has to return from the egpu, back in to the mini pci-e lane to communicate with the intel hd that controls the internal screen, then it has to travel back and forth, meaning 50% of the hdmi is going to the egpu while 50% is travling back to the internal lcd, giving half the fps as a result, this can be bypassed by making the internal screen also a external screen (it's possible)
Dennis Gagliano, thank you 🙏 for your amazing response. I was wondering if you could give me a link to the tutorial of the bypass you mentioned.
i don't think their is a tutorial really, but i can kind of explain, every lcd has a model number, if you take that number and ebay it you can find control boards, these will connect with your internal lcd and you need to provide then with 12v 3a, which you can take from the motherboard if you have the knowledge, otherwise you can use a power supply, and then your internal lcd has a controlboard with a hdmi in out and all you could need, to make it a external lcd, here's a example for my own n73 lcd: www.banggood.com/Mini-PCI-E-Version-V8_0-EXP-GDC-Beast-Laptop-External-Independent-Video-Card-Dock-p-1011222.html?rmmds=search , i was planning on doing this, but i got other plans atm, so i'm not sure if i'll do it. has to do with what i can get atm, while booting the intel hd runs and not the egpu, so to have a bios and stuff, you'd have to connect the hdmi out from your LAPTOP and also connect that to the internal screen controlboard
What Chrome theme is that? Great vid
chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/colors/lhbgjlhhonbdjfdoiklbbkejcipkbnac , thanks =)
laptop windows 10
i5 8250u
8gb ram
rx580 8gb
Is this a bottleneck with pcie lane x2
My i7 3630QM & Asus Strix RX580 8gb Scored 4.76% Average bottleneck percentage! Is it good or not?
Can you put the link to the web sight to calculate our bottleneck?
Pretty sure its in the description and/or the pinned comment?
@@Gagliano17 I could never find it in the comments nor the description, but after a little digging around with audio I found one. But thank you for trying to help.
Hey I have an old i7 5500 u the website u mentioned here is gone, I used another website but it is not giving a result saying incompatible. I am looking for gpu's, what do u think would be a good gpu for the dual core?
That site probably says that because its a mobile cpu and a desktop gpu, if you can get a score at all you can trust that
@@Gagliano17 thanks!! It was 15 percent so guess it works
Hi! This are my configuration:i7 7700hq,16 gb ram . I wanna connect an external gpu(1070 ti)- with the beast. Will the processor bottleneck the gpu?
No
I was surprised to see that my bottleneck will be only 8.33% when I upgrade to the i7 4610m but I’m not sure what it will really be since I will be using an express card connection
yeah so it's a good gpu to use, but you will indeed get bottlenecked more by the connection, but what i've always found is that it only really starts to bottleneck once you use alot of vram. the vram is what creates alot of traffic
Hi, what games and gpu's would you recommend for a egpu setup
Too Salty to Function anything that doesnt use huge amount of vram, doom, tomb raider, gta 5 they all work fine but high vram usage is more bottlneck on the pcie
Dennis G would low power usage cards have less bottleneck on the Pcie or would any card that has less than 10 percent bottleneck be fine
Thank you for the video people think we all are rich can afford super setup, I bought the PCIE I ll give it a try, share everywhere Toshiba Pc...
np, yeah why spend so much when this works fine
Windows 10
i3 4030u
8 GB DDR3
Which graphic card will suit my system?
Pukhraj Grewal none, i3 arent for gaming or productivity, so no gpu will do anything for you
@@Gagliano17 i do know that! but can I expect gtx 650 ti to do some good? atleast for older games
Whats the bottlenecking like on the internal display?
exactly 50%, because cable traffic has to go both ways, on the external it travels one way so you get 100% of the cable traffic.
I checked with a 1060 6gb with 16gb of ram and i7 6700hq and got 6% bottleneck. Is that good? Planing on doing this.
Im Jonah ofc it is
Dennis Gagliano ok thanks I’m new to this stuff lol😂
Dennis Gagliano oh and I got to say these vids with the egpu have helped loads! Thanks for the help
no problem man =)
Only 6% ? Thats nothing lol
If i get a 20% bottleneck with a i5 7200u and a gtx 1060 6gb, is it still worth the money? the 1060 is around 400 aud
Ya, you can always resell a gpu so its okay, if you can spare it
should i try to overclock my graphics card (gtx 960) on the egpu set up ?
Nguyen Khai why not try it and tell us what happens?
i don't wanna put my house at risk man
+Nguyen Khai i had my 960 egpu also oc’d and my 970 too, the cards are factory protected with oc, they can only crash from ocs but cant burn or break, they have a bios protection, even its voltage can only be uped a certain amount so yes its totaly safe, use msi afterburner and look up guides on youtube, it's very safe, and don't be scared if your gpu crashes. that's what it's supposed to do on to high oc, when you reboot it will be reverted and you can lower it and youtube videos are very detailed in how to do that, keep also an eye on temps, i don't need to because it's outside but yeah
Do you already have a partnership on RUclips?
I'm not part of a network (and don't want to be), but i am partner'd with youtube, just the main partnership, did that when i had like 50 subs i think?
Dennis Gagliano okay, myself I'm from the partnership called Freedom!
If you're ever interested in joining ask me whatever you want and otherwise have fun on RUclips :P
Thanks for that video! I subscribed! I am planning to build myself a new PC to put im my room. I know I already have a PC with GTX 1070, i7 6700k, 16 RAM ect... but I am only allowed to play on it 3 hours a week with a timer! Even tho I bought it with my own money and I have good grades! But anyways that PC will be in my room where no one could see my screen when I pretend to do homework. So can you guys tell me If my build is good or what I can improve?
AMD ryzen 3 1200 overclocked
ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Patriot - Viper Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Sapphire - Radeon RX 560 2GB PULSE Video Card
BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case
EVGA - 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply
Anyways I love your channel! :)
i really can't help you with that, i suck at amd + ryzen, i really do, reddit might help there, pcbuilds reddit. that timer stuff sucks i had the same thing growing up, but once you move out you'll be in heaven :)
Thanks a lot!
Tristan Can that build is perfectly fine. recommend a 1050 or 1050ti though. unless you somehow find a 570/470 for cheap (doubtful with miners)
1050's are shit, really. even a 960 is better and cost less, 970 performs 2x the fps. don't waste your money on 1050's: gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/2577vs3649
I found an RX 470 for 250$. (25% better fps than 1050ti) I know you dont know AMD stuff but would you recommend something 250$ that performs 25% better than 1050ti? The cheapest 1050 ti is 190$ and the RX 470 is 250$. But the thing is the RX 470 is more future proof because new games are better AMD optimized.
are you using external display?
Yes, its kinda mandatory
@@Gagliano17 thanks to reply.
Would this bottleneck similar if applird to the razer core v2 egpu?
Syed Salleh nope, those use thunderbolt cables, they are capable of performing at 16x pci speeds, so the gpu will have no connection bottleneck, but the cpu/gpu bottlenecks will apply if the cpu or gpu exceeds the others, so pairing a gpu depends on what cpu that laptop runs and ofc the laptop needs to support thunderbolt 3
@@Gagliano17 Thanks for the reply. I'm using razer blade stealth 2015 using an Intel Core i7-6500U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3130 GHz). Meanwhile, i'm planning to use a 1080ti graphic. Tell me your honest opinion, would it be fine?
yeah, the cores are made for the razerblades, they will be fine
@@Gagliano17 ohhh I was looking for this. Thank you :)
It's stupid shit people say. If you get a better gpu that bottlenecks, that's fine you are just setting yourself for future upgrades.
YEAH... but that website isnt taking the pcie link at x1, thats the bottleneck
Which is obvious and explained, also the mini pcie is a 4x lane, also most gpus i recommend only ever pass the 4x on huge vram usage which i think i explained too
i have 4702mq cpu and gtx 970 and when i check for bottleneck site shows 18% bottleneck wtf XD
Hi i have n76 i7 3610qm.
Will gtx 1070 work? Im planning to get egpu till i can get full pc parts
well it will work. but probably will be bottlenecked. i did have a 1070 myself on the asus n73sv, it did work, so i can tell you that much, and if you'll build your desktop the 1070 will be great then, so if you're really gonna get a desktop, then do it, otherwise don't spend that much on a egpu. i did the same, i'm building a custom watercooled pc right now, using the 970 from my laptop
Dennis Gagliano Thnx for your answer, yes desktop pc is my end goal. But does n76 have a mpci slot? How do i check that?
pretty much any laptop that has wifi build in has a mini pci-e port, you remove the wifi module and replace that with the egpu, i'll check for ya hang on
it's under the keyboard, you'll have to make somewhere a hole to get that running, the best option would be to remove the battery, and make a hole in the battery bay that's the closest to the mini pci-e + facing the right way, ruclips.net/video/Zd1NISaHWTk/видео.html , watch 8:19, there you can see it, close to the cpu fan
Dennis Gagliano oh thnx :) your boss
wow i didnt knew something like that bottleneck caluclater existed ! i tried it out with i5 4200m with gtx 970 the result was 21% ! i dont understand why so much bottleneck! i was hoping to add 970 or 1060 to lenovo g510. even 960 is giving 15 % :(
because the 4200m is a dual core, but you can replace that dual core with a quad core, m (socketed) so you can replace it, i have a video on it too
i learned something today :) core does matters in bottleneck.
i checked cpu upgrade for my lapi , it gives 10-11 less bottleneck then 4200m , upgrading the cpu then using egpu will be costly ,i think adding a 1060 would be fine for medium settings gaming.
whats your thought on this ?
thanks
depends if you plan to upgrade to a pc in the future otherwise i'd just go with a 750 ti
Hello, which Card Match good to a i5 7200u CPU?
Need help, What about 970 or so?
it's a dual core, i gave you a site to check it, go check? with a dual core the 970 will be to strong
Dennis Gagliano and What about a zotac GTX 1060 3 GB?
a 1060 is slightly better then a 970 so even worse for your dual core.
Dennis Gagliano okay Thanks Dude
Raedon sapphire rx 560 4gb is bottelneck or not
idk? you gave like no info at all
wow tanks a lot for the info men :) one like more
thank you =) and no problem haha
I got i7 940qm oc to 3.6 all cores I think
what is the question?
how would a i5 5400u and a gtx 650 be?
i5-5400u does not excist, a gtx 650 would be low for that, i'd always go with a 750 ti or 1050 ti, depending on budget + cpu atleast. even with bottlenecks you'll get much performance out of it. if you own a gtx 650 okay, test that then but consider upgrading in the future, but what cpu are you running
ma dude ty so much
zevesh no problem man!
Does this overclock?
+washik ullah the gpu does, yes
im sorry but by simply running it in pcie 1x mode will bottleneck it beyond belief. I have put many gpus in my pcie 2.0 1x and its a stutter fest.
why didn't you watch my bottleneck video before posting a assumption comment that is wrong? or any other video where i play triple a titles at maxed settings without even remote of a stutter? but sure live life, guessing and making assumptions. if you'd have watched you'd seen that i get the same scores as desktop pc's with the same card...
here's a 290x in ROTTR. One is running at pcie 2.0 @ 1x and the other at pcie 3.0 @ 16x. Pcie 16x is getting over twice the fps. Need more proof?
imgur.com/a/4QjTN
you didn't listen to my video. so no i do not any proof from someone that does not even tries to listen, i clearly state that TOMB RIDER SPECIFIC, i even say tomb raider in the video, uses to much vram for a mini pci-e, and thereby THAT GAME SPECIFIC, or any game that uses a lot of vram will create a bottleneck, so please go annoy someone else by being dumb. i say in general the bottleneck is okay for most things, but anything that uses more then 2gigs of vram will bottleneck more. god you're so stubborn. your coming with stuff i've already mention, lmao. and again, fkn drama that you get double the fps. 40 is enough for most people, especially when they own a laptop. the point is to take a laptop that gets 3 fps in tomb raider, and make it so it runs maxed settings at 40 fps, nobody cares if that card in a desktop can run at 80. really nobody. this is for laptop owners, you're not one of them, go live your life. if someone has a twingo and he get's a porsche, you'll be that one dumbass to tell him that lambo would have been better.
Dennis Gagliano ive got all games under the sun from light to very heavy games. I can show you in any game that the differences are massive.
then show me why i get 55 fps on my mini pci-e and a desktop gtx 970 is getting 55 fps, show me that ;) obv your way of running an amd card on a pci1x gen 2 is not working the way my egpu setup works. we can test that real easy, go to my gta 5 video, take the settings run your stuff at gen 2 pci1x and if you're not getting my fps then your shit ain't working as my egpu and thereby nobody cares about what you have since this is about egpu's. odd that russians did the same thing and didn't notice much difference even on higher end cards. also you're comparing amd to nvidia which does not work. ever thought of the fact that amd's might just use more bandwidth overal?
nice vids.... keep up
+XLBY i’ll thanks :)
I have a 2017 spectre with 7th gen i7 7500u. I got a sonnet and 1050 ti to slap in it. I get over 100 FPS on fortnite and rocket league, and after some slight modding I’ve been playing subnautica at around 60 FPS pretty decently. 4 lane tb3. Way better then my shitty ps4
Aye baller hahha, thats how its done
try with 3dmark and assassins creed origins..
omgg i have 79% bottleneck with i5 6300hq and gtx 950m.......................gpu is too weak
+XLBY yes but thats good, that means you’re using 100% of the gpu, that cpu is a monster so thats good, meaning you could hook up like a 1080ti with a thunderbolt egpu 👌🏼
does it work on gtx 1050 or 1050ti????/
does what work on the 1050/1050ti, to be honest, not much works on those cards, because they are really bad. i'd take the 750 ti over it anyday
WOULD THE 900 SERIES BE GOOD
yeah it would be, it all depends on your laptop though, if you have an i3, then that sucks no matter what gpu
Is it ok at 70% lol
You know what you could do if you get a new laptop turn this one in to a desktop i did it and it works well!
i won't be getting another laptop, and i'll do something with this (maybe use the lcd to build a screen from it) or something, but i have no plans for this, i do however have plans for a open wall kind of build, but only for gigs, i don't really need to but i could :)
The only reason i did it was because my laptop was overheating and i could not fix it so i made a diy heat sink to put on the gpu and cpu now playing gta 5 on high setting the cpu stays around 40c before it was a 120c.
120c damn, i have a video on my channel about how i fixed my cooling, two videos, but the opolar lc06 probably would have safed you, also cleaning the fan (i'm making a video on that atm)
I did clean the fan repaste the thermal paste and, i even put in another fan in it and it did not help and i didn't want to risk cooking my laptop.
look up opolar lc06, or watch my video on it
dont waste ur time
older desktops are cheaper than egpu
Egpu adapter cost 23 euro lol.
and please accept the fact..
that laptop processors are completly
weak hot BULLSHIT and overpriced
I need help plz
I have asus laptop 3630qm and gt650m %100 bottleneck wtf lol :D
gpu or cpu?
It says my GPU is so slow for my CPU, I am also using external GPU like you do, not really relying on my GT650m but %100 is a bit extreme.
Alp Ozen nah thats pretty normal, gpus are the issue on laptop hence my 2730qm had no issue with a 970
Bro denedin mi eGPU?
Is 23% bottleneck problem ? 😂😂😂
depends how much money you invest and if you find it worth it. you'll still gain alot of performance probably even with bottleneck
Dennis Gagliano i have really weak cpu in laptop. It's very bad in games. And the worst part of it is intel hd graphics. So i was looking for some gpu on ebay. Firstly I was looking for gtx 970 with little hope. It show 29 % bottleneck. So I found gtx 950 for good price. It show 23 %. I wish it will add some performance to my laptop.
what laptop/cpu is it, just name it makes it easier for me to see what's up
Dennis Gagliano Lenovo ideapad 110 - Celeron n3060. On the site o didn't find this cpu so i found one that is similar
oh yeah those are very weak on the gaming, aim to make a future desktop? that way no egpu is put to waste due to bottleneck
Express card slot daddy?
CoyDog790 it works but i never had it personally so idk what performance it brings
Are you sick?
You sound stuffy.
You just answered my question in the video lol. Guess I should watch the whole thing before commenting.