Evan Turner and JJ Redick Passionate Debate On "Embracing Your Role" (w/ Andre Iguodala)

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  • Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
  • This week, we're psyched to welcome in the hosts of The Point Forward podcast, Andre Iguodala (The Golden State Warriors) and Evan Turner. In this clip, JJ, Evan and Iggy talk about the downside to being so "team first" and Evan gets very candid about his career starting out with Sam Hinkie and The Philadelphia 76ers "process."
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  • @OLDMANANDTHETHREE
    @OLDMANANDTHETHREE  Год назад +999

    We normally don’t publish teasers this long but this particular conversation is so good. Highly recommend staying to the Process 76ers stuff at the end. Shoutout Evan and Iggy for being so candid. Full interview drops Thursday morning. Subscribe if you haven’t and we’ll see you there.

    • @Davivd2
      @Davivd2 Год назад +29

      This is a great convo because it ties into something that I have been confused by for the last 30 years of being an NBA fan. Why is it that certain guys get pigeon holed into a role that they are clearly capable of being more than their role, but if they try to break that mold they are "selfish"? For example. Kurt Thomas put up 30 PPG in division one college ball. This is practically unheard of. He was drafted by the Knicks late into the first round. I was watching every Knicks game that I could hoping to see this guy because I thought that the Knicks got an absolute steal. Coach Van Gundy wouldn't play him. Eventually Patrick Ewing got hurt in a game and VG had to put him in the game. Thomas is posting up, making solid moves, making his shots, his team is extending the lead and despite all of that, coach is glaring at him and barking at him after every play. Eventually Van Gundy yanks him out.
      Another Example. Brian Cook gets drafted by the Lakers. His rookie year he is fat and out of shape. He's playing behind Robert Horry and learning how Horry, who plays the same position, is helping the team with his 3 point shooting. Second year of Cook's career and he's in shape. He's shooting 3's really well in pre season and when the regular season comes, Phil Jackson will not play him. Again. Horry gets injured during the game and I believe Grant was already out. Cook is the only PF on the roster. Phil has to put him in half way through the first quarter. Cook is getting left wide open in his spots (same spots that Horry gets open shots). He shoots a wide open shot (just as any player would) and Phil Jackson is pissed. He's yelling at Cook every time he shoots the ball. Half time comes. The Lakers are up by 19. Cook is 5 for 7 from the 3 point line and Phil Jackson won't even put Cook back into the game. Phil played Rick Fox at power forward. After the game Jackson is talking about trading Cook. Cook never played another minute for the Lakers again and a week later he was traded to Orlando.
      Sorry for the long examples. But I genuinely want to know why some players are allowed to "break out" and other players are "selfish", even if they clearly have the talent to exceed the minimal role's that coaches prescribe for them?

    • @n8tethegr8t20
      @n8tethegr8t20 Год назад +2

      @@Davivd2 im guessing it comes down to money, likeness of player, who brings in more money stuff like that and some coaches don't how to coach every single player,

    • @damirvujevic2685
      @damirvujevic2685 Год назад +4

      @@Davivd2 cca 30 years of following NBA too. Great examples and there are tons of more like that.

    • @GrandT343
      @GrandT343 Год назад +6

      This is why players need their own platforms. Great conversation. I hope these coaches and GMs are listening.

    • @smarie2226
      @smarie2226 Год назад +5

      This was such a gooooood convo! Can’t wait to watch the whole ep. So insightful and honest about the decision to simply “play your role”. It’s always painted as the altruistic and “right” way to do things. Don’t get me wrong, for the most part, it is but it’s nice to hear players talk honestly about the impact that can have on a person, on maximizing your individual potential and on the trajectory of your career

  • @Hotsauceonmy
    @Hotsauceonmy Год назад +2406

    Makes sense. If you grow up the best player in your high school, the best player in the state, best player in the college and then your role gets shrunk down to a role player it must be a hell of an ego check.

    • @Wisestomatoe
      @Wisestomatoe Год назад

      Nigga you in the nba you better do what’s asked of you

    • @lonedolo644
      @lonedolo644 Год назад +199

      That’s what happened to my dad. Nigga was the best football player VA back in the late 90s. The best at Fork Union. The best at UVA. Then turned into a 2nd string/3rd string player. I never asked him how that made him feel.

    • @jasonu3741
      @jasonu3741 Год назад +74

      lets not pretend like the Coach and GM are perfect
      sometimes the GM gets a selection of talent that limits the capabilities of the individual players on the team and limits there success.
      sometimes the Coach uses rotations and plays because hes under pressure to stay on the stars good side while also making sure the talent the GM wants to trade gets minutes to add to there trade value.
      Never forget the 04 Pistons was a Fluke accident from a bad GM move ending up good
      Never forget Draymond doesn't have a career without a fluke accident
      The San Antonio Spurs and Pop have such a good reputation because for the last 23 years all they have done is develop who they got
      I feel Evan Turner that he could have been more than he was but instead they looked at his body and said "we can create a defensive mismatch" rather than utilize the talents he has had his whole life, what compounds the issue is every single NBA player looks like the GOAT in practice which enforces the feeling they have that "yall are just holding me back" and it must be maddening to go through even in the case were the Coach/Gm is right.
      for example Dwight Howard for all the trash we give him have you seen him in practice? in practice hes out there shooting like Dirk...

    • @juicelord4792
      @juicelord4792 Год назад +52

      The problem with this scenario is that when your role gets shrunk at the pro level, then that typically means that your peers are better at that position. Even a Turner had his chance and was sub-par in every aspect of the pro game.

    • @Ben2bwild
      @Ben2bwild Год назад +51

      ​@juicelord4792 not necessarily true at all. Sometimes it's just politics and coaches have their favorites. Even guys like Kobe was getting benched his first few years just because that specific coach didn't like young players. There are so many scenarios like that. Chauncey Billups and Kyle Lowry were on the verge of leaving the nba until they got coaches that gave them the opportunity to succeed.

  • @Davivd2
    @Davivd2 Год назад +1283

    Evan Turner was laying it down. That's one of the most honest conversations I've seen from an NBA player.

    • @thesupremekai1980s
      @thesupremekai1980s Год назад +11

      Yea, why didnt they run a play for him!

    • @TreeEl-gp2tx
      @TreeEl-gp2tx Год назад +42

      Now taking in what he said think about how hard it is to win a championship. Makes me think how much players probably hate playing with certain superstars. Like LeBron, who's 1 of the greatest ever but he dominates the ball and his teammates are made to be catch and shoot players for him to be his best in attacking the basket. It's gotta be tough to be expected to make shots without a feel of the ball or a rhythm. We need to appreciate the others because without them your favorite player wouldn't win sh*t period

    • @slamdunk2270
      @slamdunk2270 Год назад +13

      Love Evan Turner, always been hyper interesting to listen to. He really has a nice outlook on NBA things, speaks almost like a nba junkie with, at the same time, actual experience as a player.

    • @Davivd2
      @Davivd2 Год назад +12

      @@TreeEl-gp2tx You nailed it. I always say that it's the role players that win championships. The stars are going to do what they do. But it's always the guys that are diving for balls, hitting clutch threes on a kick out pass, getting a clutch rebound that are that final piece that gets a team over the hump in the finals.

    • @rodricousarrington8480
      @rodricousarrington8480 Год назад +1

      @@TreeEl-gp2tx least he past it cause Kobe was gone shot it regardless said it himself get the rebound

  • @mitch761
    @mitch761 Год назад +473

    “I embraced my role so much I diminished my career” that hit clear as day.

    • @michaelmcnally3813
      @michaelmcnally3813 Год назад +6

      See, I think it also extended his career (Iggy) as well, because the league was going into a different direction with 3 and D shooters, so I don't know if I really believe he would be the second or 3rd best player at that point in his career. If you look at his numbers before GSW his number were already going down. So, I'm not necessarily buying that

    • @Ballinbmac
      @Ballinbmac Год назад +5

      @@michaelmcnally3813iggy isn’t someone who you stat watch bro. What you said to me is actually false because iggy went to the all star game 2012 then the next year helped an on paper average Denver team to the playoffs then joined the warriors and accepted a lesser role

    • @michaelmcnally3813
      @michaelmcnally3813 Год назад +1

      @@Ballinbmac true, but his minutes were down, and he was going to play a lesser role wherever he went ( he was going to be the 3rd or 4th best player on any team he went too), because he wasn't an all star and he wasn't a shooter either and that's where the league was going. I mean, it was his 10th year in league by the time he got to the warriors. I love Iggy too and huge warriors fan

    • @corduroycrook
      @corduroycrook Год назад +6

      ​@@michaelmcnally3813 Yeah I agree accepting that role has its own benefits but I think what Evan is getting at in this clip is the psychological toll being the 6-8th guy on a roster takes on guys who could be the 3rd or 4th guy on other (but not necessarily worse) teams. For Evan he spent 7 of 10 years on teams that werent really trying to win. Thats 7 years of training, dieting, traveling, showing up on time just to get in the game and take 5 shots and get bounced in the first round. Eventually you gotta start thinking what am I even doing here. For Andre I definitely agree his career could have been shorter as the league progressed but that begs the question would you rather have gotten 20 pts and lost in the first round or are you committed to scoring less but winning more?

  • @BigE1293
    @BigE1293 Год назад +968

    Big respect to Evan for admitting that he hated the dimished role. Its tough to admit that sometimes because of how much players are praised for finding their role and lengthening their career that way. Dude was a top 3 player in College his last year at OSU and was drafted #2 before having his role diminished relatively early in his career. Now I'm not saying he should've been given the keys to the palace cause we saw that he wasnt really built for that when he WAS given more of a role, but its very humanizing to hear from him about it

    • @ManditoBandito
      @ManditoBandito Год назад +29

      My brother and I walked past this tall guy at lollapalooza one year, and it was actually Evan Turner. He was nice enough to take a picture with us, so shout out Evan Turner! 🎉

    • @akidotaco
      @akidotaco Год назад +3

      Good post

    • @josegabrielsanchez793
      @josegabrielsanchez793 Год назад +16

      He did not say he hated the diminished role, he said that he diminished his career in order to help certain teams win. He knows he had to do that in order to adapt and stay 10 years in the NBA. If he woulve tried to force being a star he wouldnt have lasted 1 year in the NBA.

    • @kifley19
      @kifley19 Год назад +5

      He wasn't the best athlete. He was slow and didn't have a great shot.

    • @BigE1293
      @BigE1293 Год назад

      ​@@josegabrielsanchez7938:20

  • @kermicgreen3370
    @kermicgreen3370 Год назад +722

    Damn, this is why I love JJ man. On the podcast, ESPN, talking basketball....this dude (and the guys he brings on) are the best of the best. Super cerebral, knows the game inside and out, just the best. And Andre....as a Warriors fan, much respect and I love this dude. The Warriors would not have won any of the first three chips without him.

    • @OLDMANANDTHETHREE
      @OLDMANANDTHETHREE  Год назад +146

      Appreciate this. Cheers.

    • @keshon79
      @keshon79 Год назад +10

      That’s why I love iguodala podcast.

    • @theoneafterthelast
      @theoneafterthelast Год назад +2

      The Warriors would have won every single chip in their franchise history without Iggy. It might have been a little harder but they would have won them.

    • @UNDERGROUNDSKOOPTV
      @UNDERGROUNDSKOOPTV Год назад +2

      Big facts

    • @Halfasian_Halfamazing
      @Halfasian_Halfamazing Год назад +5

      ​@@theoneafterthelastInteresting take. With that being said who would hav guarded bron?

  • @silis_pap8473
    @silis_pap8473 Год назад +592

    Iggy's such a good guest. Great at articulating his thoughts and making good points. Hell of a veteran

    • @poptarts224
      @poptarts224 Год назад +3

      Fair the the Dillion brooks comment was crazy. 60 percent of the guys in the nba shouldn’t be there then😅

    • @sebastian597
      @sebastian597 Год назад +1

      The leader of the warriors dynasty

    • @2nice149
      @2nice149 Год назад +3

      He has his own podcast called “Point Forward”

    • @AntiChris84
      @AntiChris84 Год назад

      @@poptarts224 Dillion Brooks comments only scratches the surface of dumb Iggy takes. Just check out his views on social issues, yikes.

  • @DontBeAKumquat
    @DontBeAKumquat Год назад +267

    Evan almost brings a tear to my eye because his career is the embodiment of a dream deferred. Respect.

    • @TheFilmSpace1
      @TheFilmSpace1 Год назад +7

      Evan, T Mac, Grant Hill 😢

    • @RAZGR1Z
      @RAZGR1Z Год назад +19

      @@TheFilmSpace1 T Mac and Grant Hill are HoFers lmao.

    • @BenEnlet29
      @BenEnlet29 Год назад +10

      ​@TheSportsFellowship Tmac never took a diminished role. Soon as he got to Magic he was the number one guy. Some might say he might have gave up opportunities to win championships because he just wanted to be the number 1 on a team and grant hill was definitely a star but injuries derailed his career

    • @DubbyDubois
      @DubbyDubois Год назад +2

      @@TheFilmSpace1what are you talking about

    • @cjwrench07
      @cjwrench07 Год назад +2

      @@TheFilmSpace1dude, you are confusing a dream deferred, *with a lost opportunity* Evan gave up the flowers to play team first ball. TMac & Hill had injuries cut short their prime, like Zion & Lonzo today.

  • @shadowkhanh
    @shadowkhanh Год назад +246

    Damn. Evan Turner speaking truth. This is gold. Evan Turner, you are a beast. Don't ever sell yourself short. I always picked you in my fantasy league. 🥰

    • @jonathansykes4986
      @jonathansykes4986 Год назад

      You a clown bigger than Turner. Turner sucked

    • @The123carrera
      @The123carrera Год назад +30

      Didnt get many fantasy points then lmao

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 Год назад +14

      @@The123carreracome on man

    • @neo1343
      @neo1343 Год назад

      @@The123carreraunless you picked him up in 13-14 , you def didn’t get much from him lmao

    • @corywilson2007
      @corywilson2007 10 месяцев назад

      He do be squeaking the truth

  • @MW3_Capt5121
    @MW3_Capt5121 Год назад +175

    You can hear the pain and hurt in Evan’s voice. Man that’s gotta be tough embracing something that you know you are better than.

    • @saitodosan9377
      @saitodosan9377 Год назад +7

      For real. I can't imagine being one of the bes 0.00001%t in the entire world of 9 billion or whatever people at what I do, and be regulated to essentially "stand there and distract the other team from the star""

    • @nonovyobiznez3735
      @nonovyobiznez3735 Год назад +3

      Especially toward the end. I was away from my phone and had to pick it up and look

    • @Ohhellnahhh-x9d
      @Ohhellnahhh-x9d 2 месяца назад

      The pain your hearing is in his vocal cords

  • @edjrenaline
    @edjrenaline 11 месяцев назад +20

    "I didn't play basketball that day. I went and got cardio and wrestled with some of the top talent in the world."-Turner... Man this had me rollin. 😂🤣

  • @sergeyegiyan9577
    @sergeyegiyan9577 Год назад +287

    Loved Evan in his 2y tenure in Boston. He was great in balancing between playing the role and adding that spark and life to the team through some crazy creative things.
    10+5+5+1, 44% while playing 28mpg from the bench - was a solid piece to Boston's playoff teams
    While watching him for those 2y, I always felt like this guy could've easily been a starting 15+7+7 tall point forward in another playoff team if he was given that chance

    • @taj3618
      @taj3618 Год назад +8

      He had that chance with the Sixers as a 2nd overall pick. He just wasn’t that good

    • @vincentchauvet6654
      @vincentchauvet6654 Год назад

      wasn't athletic enough to compensate for his shooting. still think he could have been a bit better tho@@taj3618

    • @joeltr75
      @joeltr75 Год назад +43

      ​@@taj3618to be honest doug collins was the coach at the time and he litteraly sabotage him.

    • @jaygray7883
      @jaygray7883 Год назад +2

      I’m from Boston and a C’s fan. I’m trying to figure out if I missed something in his game that you didn’t. I disliked him in green a lot.

    • @gking1879
      @gking1879 Год назад

      Definitely

  • @clav93089
    @clav93089 Год назад +62

    It's great to hear Evan Turner be so candid about this. I'm sure it's frustrating to accept a smaller role when you've been a star in HS and college and then you're a top pick. He did do it fairly well anyway, but I can understand why he didn't want to prolong his playing career.

    • @TheFilmSpace1
      @TheFilmSpace1 Год назад +3

      💯💯

    • @mrdeebo313
      @mrdeebo313 Год назад +3

      I always thought dude should have been a better player based on his skillset but hearing this it makes sense what he became

  • @a_coleman11
    @a_coleman11 Год назад +159

    This gave me a whole new perspective on players in the NBA and why guys like PatBev & Dillion Brooks exist. Plus it really amplifies the importance of management & coaching in the NBA. Because if you make it there then obviously you have talent.

    • @k_hack9441
      @k_hack9441 Год назад +4

      Really? You didn’t know there’s under-talented pro athletes who get by on being crazy? They’re in every sport.

    • @a_coleman11
      @a_coleman11 Год назад

      @@k_hack9441 lets be honest, if youre good enough to play professionally, then we naturally assume that you have talent. What i didnt fully grasp was the mindset of telling yourself “im the greatest” just to stay in the NBA or other leagues as well.

    • @TAYTHEWXVE.madeit
      @TAYTHEWXVE.madeit Год назад +2

      Dillon was dropping 40 with 5 or more 3’s in college and dropped 40 on the nba, not to mention first and second all defense. iggy was just chatting and so are you 😂

    • @a_coleman11
      @a_coleman11 Год назад

      @@TAYTHEWXVE.madeit ….just say you dont watch basketball, looking at box scores really dont tell the whole story. And youre really arguing against someone whos been in the league and won rings? Casual

    • @KaMak719
      @KaMak719 6 месяцев назад

      Pat Bev was a prolific scorer in college and still able to get buckets in the league when he gets the chance. He just isn't the first or second scoring option on plays. His current % aren't even bad@@k_hack9441

  • @danialqureshi
    @danialqureshi Год назад +165

    Loved Evan Turner’s take. Good discussion @JJRedick.

    • @OLDMANANDTHETHREE
      @OLDMANANDTHETHREE  Год назад +37

      Thanks for watching.

    • @semi6544
      @semi6544 Год назад

      @@daytonjohn777 -- Guess you would need to be 1 of the 5000 in history to participate to truly understand.

    • @OEThe11
      @OEThe11 Год назад

      @@semi6544 True, but this happens in ALL levels of the game.

  • @cleverclover7
    @cleverclover7 Год назад +100

    This is what makes your show special. I just want to say as a Blazers fan, thank you to Evan for being such a solid team player for so long. He definitely had some special moments.

  • @gr4pee
    @gr4pee Год назад +133

    Turner got a point. I guess the level of confidence in yourself has to overtake your given role for you to really be seen. Much easier said than done turner can hoop

    • @jonathansykes4986
      @jonathansykes4986 Год назад

      Evan Turner sucks.

    • @slimdigga9100
      @slimdigga9100 Год назад +1

      It's all about what you want. I was always the best player on my team and could always score 30 but the role my team needed was for me to handle and distribute the ball. Yes I could have scored way more but we wouldn't have won as much if I didn't take the roll of a all around player and because I cared more about winning, I didn't care.

    • @macieksz2829
      @macieksz2829 Год назад +3

      @@slimdigga9100 Did you play professionally though and did the role you have had affected your future salary and longevity of your career?

    • @slimdigga9100
      @slimdigga9100 Год назад +1

      @@macieksz2829 not understanding at the time but in essence it could have. Because if I could have put up more, and better stats then I probably would have gotten way more scholarship offers that would have sent my life in a different trajectory. But because I had to tone down my skills maybe it did affect money I possibly could have made if I could have played at my maximum potential because I would have opened alot more doors. But I get your point about the NBA tho ijs

    • @officialthomasjames
      @officialthomasjames Год назад

      Evan had plenty of chances, especially after Iggy was traded. Team was built around Jrue and Turner. Jrue became an all star and Turner didn’t show any signs of improvement.

  • @selfmade8884
    @selfmade8884 Год назад +284

    This was a great convo. It definitely gave me a new perspective on the NBA players career.

  • @kelvinopoku3793
    @kelvinopoku3793 Год назад +19

    Evan Turner was insanely honest and raw with how he spoke his thoughts. Was always one of my favorite players back with the sixers

  • @joe9879
    @joe9879 Год назад +26

    This reminds me of the Mikal Bridges interview with you, where he was talking about how he was 'getting comfortable with that role' and then when he left to go to Brooklyn had to completely change his Ego to be the number 1.

  • @solpartha
    @solpartha Год назад +40

    For real, this might be the best 17 minutes of commentary on basketball I’ve ever heard. Inspiring stuff. Love the show!

  • @nivedgopakumar3679
    @nivedgopakumar3679 Год назад +94

    "Losing the irrational confidence that was required to make it this far by now embracing your role"
    When coaches get praise for keeping guys engaged when they're not playing well / a smaller than expected role, this is what they're explaining so well to their players - that their role is circumstantial based on the talent of the team and / or matchup and is not an indictment against their game. Without that explanation, it feels like it's an indictment of the player and explains why a player loses confidence and faith in their toolkit / process.
    Evan, thanks for the nuanced perspective here!

    • @anshgombar7173
      @anshgombar7173 Год назад +5

      Great summary and analysis !!

    • @corduroycrook
      @corduroycrook Год назад +3

      Not just the explanation but the results as well. You can tell me all day why my role is important but if we suck then whats the point of me sacrificing my points, my stats, and eventually my money.

  • @baustin3417
    @baustin3417 Год назад +62

    What a nuanced look into the philosophy of team sports.
    Andre was a star in Philly whose usage peaked in Year 4/5/6. Then, when coaches asked him to pivot and he embraced his 6th man role with the Warriors, it unlocked all time greatness as a supporter.
    Evan was a star in Philly whose usage peaked in Year 4. Then, when coaches asked him to play a support role before he was ready to give up his edge, it became tough for him to be himself.
    Of course, we can point to the team situations around them, but there is also a clear difference in needs and capabilities of players throughout their journey. Evan was asked to switch to role player way too young vs Iggy was more of a vet and wanted chips.
    Really fascinating to hear them talk about what they needed to bring their best. They both wanted to help their teammates as best they could, but coaches and GMs have to understand what drives the players at their core in order to bring out the best in them.

    • @jonathansykes4986
      @jonathansykes4986 Год назад

      Evan was a star?
      LMAO.
      2012-13 82 games played 2892 minutes:
      PER 12.2 (not all star)
      TS 48.8% (dreadful)
      WS/48 0.35 (dreadful)
      OBPM -2.2 (LMAO god u suck)
      DBPM -0.2 ( below average)
      Evan Turner was straight trash. Start to finish.

    • @abdirahmanhassan1848
      @abdirahmanhassan1848 Год назад +7

      what kinda revisionist history lmao Evan turner was an extremely disappointing player and never a star Andre was also regressing three straight years averaging 14, 12. 13 before becoming a role player with the warrriors

    • @baustin3417
      @baustin3417 Год назад +4

      Agree on Iggy. A star in decline before accepting his role-playership.
      On Turner, his high was not as high as Iggy, agreed, but that 2013-14 season, the 76ers traded high when he averaged 17/6/4 and was one of the team’s “big three” (for a losing team admittedly) with MCW and Thad Young.
      Anyway, my point is I believe him when he says that accepting more role-player type roles too early (mid twenties) when he felt he had the mental edge and the talent…is hard! And good coaches and GMs know what it takes to motivate their guys and get them not only to accept their role but also play the right role!

    • @officialthomasjames
      @officialthomasjames Год назад +1

      @@abdirahmanhassan1848 thank you. People love to bash the Sixers and are praising Turner. He had every chance in the world to become a star. He was a bust.

  • @cactusobsidian
    @cactusobsidian Год назад +18

    This might be one of the most compelling basketball conversations I've heard in a while.

  • @bleeperton
    @bleeperton Год назад +105

    "How would you be a head coach?" 😂😂😂😂

    • @KreativeInstinct
      @KreativeInstinct Год назад +36

      I took that as Iggy saw him higher up in the office, like a GM

    • @uria2001
      @uria2001 Год назад +39

      *Why would you be a head coach?

    • @winstonsmith11
      @winstonsmith11 Год назад +1

      ​@@KreativeInstinctsame

    • @samoanpride9247
      @samoanpride9247 Год назад +3

      I thought the same but he actually said why? As in your way better most likely.

    • @maknavickas
      @maknavickas Год назад +3

      @@KreativeInstinct He means that JJ has more influence and potential ways to make more money doing what he doing now as opposed to being a coach with less of a spotlight on him. Iggy only cares about the money so that's all he is thinking about.

  • @kyledurham4813
    @kyledurham4813 Год назад +19

    This is some of the best basketball off-season content ever. I love all three perspectives talking about their views and not talking over one another at all, and the passion each on of y’all has on each side of the argument. Evan Turner talking about crying when they told him they weren’t trying to win is really eye opening, cause so many teams tank and it’s not really talked on about the players’ perspective of being on a team that just isn’t playing for June basketball. JJ really has one of the best podcast out by far in terms of strictly basketball talks.

  • @mca217
    @mca217 Год назад +39

    Evan hit on a great point. The system you're placed in absolutely matters in any sport you play but even more so in professional sports. If the coaches he played for were wiser they would've allowed Evan to be the 6'7 combo guard he was at OSU. Instead the tanking 76ers wanted a role for him in their little box. Great coaches adjust their system to the talent they have. Not vice versa. You rarely see players get to tweak the system to fit their skill set. Heck, LeBron's the lone one that comes to mind that has the freedom to do that to this day.

    • @officialthomasjames
      @officialthomasjames Год назад +1

      We weren’t tanking when Evan and Iggy were there. The “Process” started in 2014. When we traded Iggy in the Bynum trade, Evan was our 2nd best player next to Jrue. He never stepped up and simply wasn’t good enough.

    • @moscato2971
      @moscato2971 Год назад

      @@officialthomasjames are you on that team? cause he said the franchise don't want to win games 🤣

    • @garyingram24
      @garyingram24 Год назад

      ​@@officialthomasjamesright these people forget so fast lol. We were 1 game away from the eastern conference finals in 2012

  • @Seanobb
    @Seanobb Год назад +366

    Everyone, close your eyes and tell me you don’t hear Lil Yachty

    • @666marchisio
      @666marchisio Год назад +46

      I hear Meatwad

    • @pvpichozen2027
      @pvpichozen2027 Год назад +9

      😂😂😂 deadass 💯

    • @GatherYeRosebudsWhileYeMay
      @GatherYeRosebudsWhileYeMay Год назад +4

      Yeah nah I don’t hear your lil rapper what I do see though is that Jj was sold the left over pieces from Rogan old studio! Df are those background pieces in the set? Just random lines 😂😂😂

    • @Sacre618
      @Sacre618 Год назад +8

      Or Kermit

    • @vintagemonte
      @vintagemonte Год назад +1

      autotune and everything 😂

  • @coreyhanley4994
    @coreyhanley4994 Год назад +30

    This conversation is so relatable. I feel so similar to what Evan is saying all the time. @JJRedick would love to hear you explore this more with future guests. Thanks for making me think.

  • @MKIVD
    @MKIVD Год назад +10

    THIS. IS. YOUR. BEST. EPISODE.
    NBA players speaking their heart out damn and having passionate debates that put "debate" TV shows "ehem First Take" to sleep

  • @ldungey6972
    @ldungey6972 Год назад +72

    Such a good episode. I appreciate the open honesty and being candid in their personal stories

  • @fangman21
    @fangman21 Год назад +42

    The dynamics in this clip are fantastic. ET's passion on the topic, AI being very calm and articulate, JJ steering the convo in the right direction. So much fun to listen to! How lucky we are to live in an age where we get such personal inside looks at NBA players! Keep up the excellent work!

  • @gordonpearson7494
    @gordonpearson7494 Год назад +11

    Man, this is so good. three guys just trying to be honest, not humble, not bragging, just being honest. it is complicated

  • @MelloDeeBeats
    @MelloDeeBeats Год назад +1

    First off, I don't know if y'all understand how important this clip is. You won't find many pro players giving it up like this, ESPECIALLY from the pre podcast era. I'll be real, I've NEVER heard the perspective Evan Gave.
    But second, The mental part of the game is WAY MORE CRITICAL than people typically acknowledge. So to get the insight they all gave, especially Evan, when they've all been the man at some point... It gives you a glimpse at not only what it took to get there, but how the NBA can damage, destroy, alter or shrink the ego that got them there.
    I'm tuning into Andre and Evan podcast, this made me rock with Evan on a different level.

  • @rudyjobe498
    @rudyjobe498 Год назад +6

    Evan Turner displayed a commendable level of honesty and candour in his remarks. Nonetheless, he may have refrained from sharing specific thoughts due to the presence of Iggy and Redick. In particular, Iguodala has made significant sacrifices throughout his career and appears to be content with his achievements

  • @m46rk
    @m46rk Год назад +15

    i love to hear evan speaking his mind it’s great jj

  • @THEobiwanhomie
    @THEobiwanhomie Год назад +17

    WE THE PEOPLE NEED THIS EXPEDITIOUSLY. 🗣

  • @moneyroute9809
    @moneyroute9809 Год назад +3

    Seeing Evan Turner at Ohio State i thought he was going into the league to at least be an all star and was kinda disappointed in his career. Hearing this conversation makes me realize how tough the NBA truly is.

  • @marksmith6632
    @marksmith6632 2 месяца назад +6

    Iggy: Why would you be a head coach?
    JJ: We'll talk about that later.....

  • @jermainemcgill
    @jermainemcgill Год назад +23

    The chemistry here is great. JJ knows what works better than lost podcasters
    Edit *most

  • @ELISHA690
    @ELISHA690 Год назад +7

    This is one of the best segments I’ve ever heard on this podcast.

  • @HoopsMR22
    @HoopsMR22 Год назад +8

    JJ Redick and Andre Iguodala were really really good, great in fact, at certain skills that are in very high demand.
    JJ is one of the best shooters of all time. Shooting is so vitally important for spacing in the NBA. If you're completely average at everything else but are a A+ shooter, you're going to have a role in the league for a long time. In his prime, there weren't five better shooters than JJ in the league.
    Iguodala is one of the greatest wing defenders of all time. The man won a Finals MVP over Steph Curry because he was one of maybe three guys on the planet that could slow down LeBron. Plus, his basketball IQ was off the charts. About the only thing Iguodala didn't do exceptionally well on a basketball court was shoot the ball. That didn't matter that much in Golden State because he played with the two greatest shooters of all time.
    Evan Turner didn't have anything he was exceptionally good at compared to others in his role in the NBA. Yeah, he was an OK but not great shooter. Decent ball handler. He could playmake and score. But there were 25 to 30 guys better than him at the role he wanted to play. Sure if you let him have the keys to a team, he could probably get you 20+ per game. But that wouldn't have been a good team.
    JJ and Andre had incredibly valuable basketball skills that made decent teams better. They could fit into any system and play next to just about any star player. That's why they were able to stay in the league so long.

  • @jhonrogersurigao205
    @jhonrogersurigao205 Год назад +25

    This is deep. Thank you for sharing this! I love how you guys are opening up about your struggles inside and outside the court. Big fan of all y'all!

  • @Wolfman30301
    @Wolfman30301 Год назад +7

    This might be one of the best basketball conversations I’ve heard

  • @ShermanSitter
    @ShermanSitter Год назад +11

    Iggy was like, "Hey, don't give the good stuff until I have you on my podcast" :) haha!

  • @Higharcent
    @Higharcent Год назад +5

    Evan Turner always gives really good takes 😂 very passionate too love it

  • @Jsneebs42
    @Jsneebs42 Год назад +12

    It's so crazy how as a UK fan I absolutely hated JJ for soooo long but now as an analyst and even after he had been in the NBA for a few years he's become one of my all-time favorites. As an analyst he is one of the best and most real imo. As a player I couldn't help but be impressed at his ability to consistently be a high level role player year after year as an undersized, athletically challenged guard. Props to you JJ the game wouldn't be the same without you.

  • @Brandan-v8s
    @Brandan-v8s Год назад +16

    Bro this sounds weird af but Evan turners fingers are long af and he sounds like an alien lol…y’all remember the aliens popping out in the beginning of MIB lol

    • @da11king
      @da11king Год назад

      😂😂😂😂😂 I was wondering the same thing. This dude sounds like an 👽 🤣🤣🤣

    • @ThommyMckGoaty
      @ThommyMckGoaty Год назад

      Nickname is ET too💀

    • @Brandan-v8s
      @Brandan-v8s Год назад

      @@ThommyMckGoaty lmaoooo

  • @aleezy1983
    @aleezy1983 Год назад +3

    Conversations like these are why I appreciate players and former players having their own platforms now. It's interesting to hear players talk about their perspectives without interruption those who haven't played the game.

  • @rupertaddington9638
    @rupertaddington9638 Год назад +11

    Love this conversation. I've had so many conversations through the years about how certain organizations/teams/fits have let down players. Such insightful, thoughtful commentary from all three of you. Thank You.

  • @thinperx5628
    @thinperx5628 Год назад +8

    One of the most enlightening and enjoyable discussions on basketball I’ve ever heard. Honest and refreshing, thanks guys

  • @j43oftheftp
    @j43oftheftp Год назад +5

    I loved this conversation. Good stuff hearing all these guys be vulnerable and honest about their careers. Especially Evan Turner

  • @corneliusprc90
    @corneliusprc90 Год назад +3

    I love Evan Turners dialogue

  • @Jack.Gulezian
    @Jack.Gulezian Год назад +3

    16:14 when jj tells Evan he doesn’t think was a bust was weirdly wholesome for me😂

  • @loydtan7626
    @loydtan7626 Год назад +6

    It is just incredible how evan is just upfront of their position and how their different positions is contributing to this conversation. Lovin it. Evan seems like he forgot he was also plaing at a high level too, the way he humbles himself is kinda tough to see

  • @gsimons213
    @gsimons213 Год назад +4

    What an honest interview. Props to Evan Turner, JJ and Iggy. Just eye opening.

  • @johnoneill539
    @johnoneill539 Год назад +18

    This is going to be a good one

    • @OLDMANANDTHETHREE
      @OLDMANANDTHETHREE  Год назад +14

      The full ep goes about 95 minutes. So many great moments.

    • @AntGuy213
      @AntGuy213 Год назад

      listened to them on Gils Arena and it may have been their best one....cant wait for this one....lets go @@OLDMANANDTHETHREE

  • @Shelby20874
    @Shelby20874 Год назад +21

    Man, I never thought about that you put so much time to improve your skills and conditioning to get to the NBA only to end up on a team that's not trying to win....heartbreaking.

    • @WaitWhat23
      @WaitWhat23 Год назад +6

      it's one of the big reasons I absolutely hate tanking. it puts those players into just the worst place

  • @T_va10
    @T_va10 Год назад +10

    Great pod. Especially love the part about the teams and talent. I was an elite athlete when i was at school and the amount of clubs and coachs just destroying talent by bad coaching or other stuff is just crazy. Player development is so important

  • @Wtfisthis48888
    @Wtfisthis48888 3 месяца назад +3

    “Why would you be a head coach” is so hilarious now😂😂😂

  • @t99155
    @t99155 Год назад +6

    Turner was good and had his moments 🔥💯 respect to dude for keeping it a buck …you know some players best years get wasted either bcuz of coaching/system and they end up riding the bench as a role player when potentially starting. Love this podcast and the diversity it always brings.

  • @TOShorts
    @TOShorts Год назад +4

    Very real and authentic points by Evan. So insightful.

  • @OEThe11
    @OEThe11 Год назад +18

    That was a fascinating conversation. It's crazy how much it hit home for Evan Turner. For those who don't remember, Turner was A former #2 pick and was REALLY GOOD. Projected to be a franchise player. His dissension from that, to out the league is very much surprising. But it's absolutely easy to forget about the politics of basketball and how much that goes into what we see on the floor as well as in the league in general.

    • @jamesonedwardsii4943
      @jamesonedwardsii4943 Год назад +2

      Number 2 pick in a weak draft out of Ohio State with projections of being a quality role player at best.

    • @OEThe11
      @OEThe11 Год назад +3

      @@jamesonedwardsii4943 No he was not, He was a high level guard coming into the league where they were just getting started with accepting 6'7 PG's... In a draft with John Wall and PG... Stop.

    • @jamesonedwardsii4943
      @jamesonedwardsii4943 Год назад +5

      @@OEThe11 shut up I’m not a fool to revisionist history. I watched him come up short at OSU.
      PG wasn’t a big prospect out of Fresno at all….. this was a draft with Udoh being selected as a rim protector at best, Derrick Favors a role player at best and Monroe a low post presence that didn’t do much else.
      The top prospects coming into the draft outside of John and Boogie were Xavier Henry and Wesley Johnson NEITHER being projected to be superstars.
      The ABSOLUTE ONLY reason ET went number 2 was because Boogies attitude dropped his draft stock….. the two guys projected to be super stars were Boogie and John no one else 🤷‍♂️

    • @htdubski23
      @htdubski23 Год назад

      Big ten player of the year

    • @htdubski23
      @htdubski23 Год назад

      @@jamesonedwardsii4943out of Ohio state supposed to be a Knock? They have a valid hoops program

  • @ericmclean4291
    @ericmclean4291 Год назад +2

    Another thing about taking a diminished role is it make you HYPER-AWARE of how everyone else is fulfilling their role. If I'm sacrificing, the players performing the role I want better be performing and we better be winning.

  • @livingslowly8117
    @livingslowly8117 Год назад +3

    I think these 3 are the best players to do podcast, everything is so informative and real like I can listen to them all they long.

  • @SchmittyTUBE
    @SchmittyTUBE 11 месяцев назад +1

    The quote that got me was. "I didn't play basketball today, I got a cardio workout and wrestled." That wold be a hard pill to swallow for any human being, let alone someone who'd dominated in college and earlier.

  • @T1mB1gT1me
    @T1mB1gT1me Год назад +13

    This episode is gonna be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @as112
    @as112 Год назад +3

    Can't wait to see a D.Rose interview. I feel like you'll be able to get him to talk his heart out.

    • @axucaroso
      @axucaroso Год назад

      Get DRose on here! And one more time after he retires so he can really tell some stories!

  • @DiscoDevil-b7v
    @DiscoDevil-b7v Год назад +9

    I feel like basketball is such a versatile sport that if you find a niche and a role you can fit perfectly in THE LEAGUE. You will have a 10+ year carrer even without being Jordan or Lebron. Those guys did not win until they had a squad behind them no matter how super human we think they are. It is a team sport as much as it is an individual one at the highest level.

    • @axucaroso
      @axucaroso Год назад

      No 20 year career for role players except Udonis Harlem. Being a great role player can get 10 years. Being a great role player AFTER 10 years of being a very good player is more likely and even harder.

    • @DiscoDevil-b7v
      @DiscoDevil-b7v 11 месяцев назад

      ​@barronhall400 You're right, I was being too hyperbolic with the 20 year statement and should have said 10 in retrospect. Yet, I really wish teams had more veterans in todays league in a UD or Z-Bo type locker room presence situation. Even with diminished skillsets they could really help development. Most teams today got "vets" that are 28 years old cause of prioritizing youth rather than experience.

  • @keansalzer8364
    @keansalzer8364 Год назад +1

    This podcast is so necessary for those who engage NBA as fans. None of this was ever discussed before. The "top-blocking" comment and the head space of the NBA player, both on and off the court is classic.

  • @Malc222
    @Malc222 Год назад +9

    This is an electric combo of former player-commentators

  • @brandonshannon6864
    @brandonshannon6864 Год назад +1

    I agree with Iggy. Kobe spoke on this before. He said as a child his dream was to be a Hall O' Famer. He was saying he couldn't trust a person whose dream was just to make it to the NBA because their desire was fulfilled and they wouldn't work past their potential.

  • @TippaDis1
    @TippaDis1 Год назад +4

    i think a perfect example of what iggy was trying to say was dennis rodman if he never had the mentality he had he would have literally never touched the nba floor

  • @dolloptrollop
    @dolloptrollop Год назад +1

    thanks for having andre on, seems like a cool smart dude, nice to get to know him better

  • @brian74081
    @brian74081 Год назад +3

    WOW, you guys just opened me up to a side of professional sports I never even realized. This was so good it kept me wanting to hear more.

  • @harrylovett7734
    @harrylovett7734 Год назад +1

    Such a refreshing conversation in this day and age where adults can have a discussion as oppose to just argue for clicks, love Evan man so real

  • @whamcee
    @whamcee Год назад +4

    Evan sounding like Stitch 😂

  • @bagbroch9339
    @bagbroch9339 Год назад +2

    The ending of this clip was incredible. This is the ultimate trio of hoops podcasting

  • @LAHoops2023
    @LAHoops2023 Год назад +3

    Give the people what they want! I need the rest of the interview, like yesterday!
    Great conversation! I hated how coaches didn’t use Dwight in 2020. He would bully back up C’s, get great position under rim. And we wouldn’t ever run a play thru em! Give the man 4 plays a game. 1 a quarter! Ain’t hard!

  • @rimok.2765
    @rimok.2765 Год назад +1

    I met Evan Turner his rookie year in Philly at the airport. Really, nice good dude. Super humble.

  • @clav93089
    @clav93089 Год назад +7

    It would be great to see JJ interview some guys who actually were busts (Turner was not a bust!). It could be interesting to hear their perspective on what went wrong and how they handled performing below expectations and where they may have found areas of success elsewhere.

    • @RomnysGonzalez
      @RomnysGonzalez 9 месяцев назад

      #2 pick
      9.7/4.6/3.5 on 43/29/78
      Career negative on offense
      competent defender
      Are you sure about what you saying?. If he was a 15+ pick lottery sure, but #2?. That's a bust. That draft was trash too.

  • @gamerzwithjobs330
    @gamerzwithjobs330 Год назад +1

    Can’t wait for this pod. Love that turner is being open and honest about this. Everyone’s always talking about the roses and daisys and yes, you’re making mad bread but that doesn’t take away from what depression you can have or how you weren’t happy

    • @newagain9964
      @newagain9964 Год назад

      I feel it in my job. Making good bread. But their also smothering the star I was and recruited as. They want me to play a super subservient role.

  • @kojoosei7795
    @kojoosei7795 Год назад +3

    How come Kendrick Perkins is on ESPN and Evan Turner is not ?
    Bro is very articulate , and has a command of the English language!!!!

  • @playboogie
    @playboogie Год назад +1

    Love the open honesty in this conversation this is needed more three different great players in their own right with three different mindsets but all see the same thing.

  • @aboutmillions
    @aboutmillions Год назад +64

    Evan is speaking facts. Dude was the #2 overall pick and diminished himself into a role player over which lowered his value.

    • @bigh92591
      @bigh92591 Год назад +16

      or, here me out, he wasn't good enough to be a lead creator/franchise type player. sometimes that's just the way it is. and if he had bought into that sooner maybe his career woulda lasted longer.

    • @juicelord4792
      @juicelord4792 Год назад +11

      @@bigh92591 Facts. The amount of people I see in comments acting like this dude was good at the pro level is insane. Dude couldn’t shoot, or score at the NBA level consistently

    • @vinni522
      @vinni522 Год назад +7

      What iggy said: Philly shouldn’t have drafted you.
      What iggy meant: you weren’t a legit #2 draft.
      Maybe his career could’ve been a step higher than the way it went. But let’s not pretend like he was anywhere close to All NBA.

    • @Arihiroki_LG
      @Arihiroki_LG Год назад +10

      ET wasnt a catch & shoot three guy... like he said he was a 6'7 point guard was midrange king & didnt get anyplays to himself to score

    • @juicelord4792
      @juicelord4792 Год назад +4

      @@Arihiroki_LG dude averaged 26 minutes a game for his career and shot 43% to go with 9 points. Why tf would he deserve to have plays ran for him consistently? Also, damn near every team has a play designated for one of the key players with minutes, to say you have 0 is a damn lie.

  • @HGEmusic1
    @HGEmusic1 Год назад +2

    Evan is preaching! You could see the drop off in his game and attitude every year! Socks because he could've been a crucial piece to a championship team with his size and ability at point.

  • @hellafly33
    @hellafly33 Год назад +3

    End of the day he never developed a consistent jump shot, was put more off the ball and didn’t knock down shots

  • @SlimRhyno
    @SlimRhyno 11 месяцев назад

    I respect the candid discussion of difficult topics. I may not agree with every point of view that was expressed, but I respect that it all came from a genuine, honest place. 🙏

  • @Youtuber-bb5bo
    @Youtuber-bb5bo Год назад +4

    Every time I hear Evan talk on a pod there’s always a moment he gon say “pause” after something he said😭💀💀

    • @MazevG
      @MazevG Год назад

      13:03 caught me so off guard

  • @mkirkpatri02
    @mkirkpatri02 Год назад +2

    This is so great appreciate the honesty from Evan.

  • @BristolBerg
    @BristolBerg Год назад +5

    This is exactly how I always felt about Rudy Gay 3:20
    Mad talented and just didn’t have the go mode.

  • @hoopsindetail9648
    @hoopsindetail9648 Год назад +1

    Fellas!! Fantastic conversation! Thank you for sharing

  • @ada443
    @ada443 Год назад +10

    Accepting a role wasn't Turner's problem, he couldn't pass or shoot well enough to stay on the floor in big moments. Under 30% from 3 and less than 2:1 TO ratio ain't good enough, no matter how high you're drafted

    • @citi360
      @citi360 Год назад +11

      This. He's acting like he wasn't mediocre.

    • @ada443
      @ada443 Год назад +3

      @@citi360 Exactly, and that's okay to be mediocre in the NBA! But we all saw Iggy become a better shooter, same thing with champs like Brook Lopez and Marc Gasol. Turner just didn't have the same level of motivation, which is why he ended up a bust in comparison.

    • @freddycalipari4242
      @freddycalipari4242 Год назад +5

      Lol at using pass/to ratio to grade someone’s playmaking. It just means he took risks.

    • @ichirosuzuki2252
      @ichirosuzuki2252 Год назад +1

      plenty of great passers "take risks" and try to thread the needle. But if you're not a good passer then you'll get picked more@@freddycalipari4242

  • @lyingfacts
    @lyingfacts Год назад +2

    When Iggy gave JJ that look after Evan said what he said ab Wiggins.. hit different. Evan is too real and that’s what the world is afraid of. Great teaser I’ll be watching the ep. 💯

  • @daytonjohn777
    @daytonjohn777 Год назад +6

    Turner you made it to the league bro. You had a good run, we all gotta let the game go at some point brother

    • @fairgamewithtjorum
      @fairgamewithtjorum Год назад +2

      Bro it’s a podcast what Evan said was compelling and eye opening. If he did what you’re asking this segment would be boring!

  • @jonathanumran4741
    @jonathanumran4741 8 месяцев назад

    What a great conversation. Just commenting to say that, as a former and failed athlete (who experienced the highs of stardom and the lows of a diminished role), this is amazing content. Thanks JJ, ET, and AI for sharing this perspective with the world.

  • @jaxfor3
    @jaxfor3 Год назад +4

    Starters taking on the roles to help the team win even if it means taking on a bench role seem to get a raw deal in terms of plays run for them, time on the court, salary negotiations and fan disrespect. It's a weird situation.

  • @siniister710
    @siniister710 Год назад +2

    Great convo between these dudes. Love hearing this type of discussion from players.

  • @armin38822
    @armin38822 Год назад +4

    I used to have Even Turner coming off the bench in a lot off 2k games and I played with him the way I imagined teams would used him. Kinda in a way the way Lakers used Lamar Odom. Point forward off the bench who can finnish games.

    • @MrZahsome
      @MrZahsome Год назад +1

      He was always unhappy in my 2K. Dude wanted to play 48 minutes I swear lmao.

    • @armin38822
      @armin38822 Год назад

      @@MrZahsome thats the case with lots off players in 2k lol

  • @rysmith8512
    @rysmith8512 Год назад +1

    I don’t like how Evan is hesitant when talking about this lowkey. Speak your truth brother . He’s getting off but it seems like he was holding back. Him and iggy and JJ should definitely do more episodes