@@HappyToast-st8el pretty sure shield bashes are determined by the two players' collision hulls touching, and not with any unique hitbox specific to the shield. physical interactions with players in MP Source games are quite janky and jittery in general, TF2 being no exception(most noticeable when playing Spy), so this could explain the shield bash being jank too. just my guess.
Speaking of transferring between weapons: The Eyelander & Airstike use the same code to track kills, and even share the stealing mechanic. So if an Eyelander Demo kills an Airstike Soldier who has some kills, he'll steal them as heads.
Same as the bazaar bargain. The amount of heads the sniper has can be stolen by the eyelander. Now I don't quite remember, but I'm pretty sure the airstrike can steal heads from both the eylander and bargain, but the bargain can't steal from the others.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Funnily enough, I've learned since then that the Vita-saw organs can be stolen and can steal from all the others as well. The Bazaar Bargain is the only weapon that can't steal from anything.
I refer to it as the RvB style. Red vs Blue was a Halo Machinama where whenever the characters talk, their heads would nod up and down. This is just a more extreme version of that.
Theoretically, the "extender" might sync quite well with the Splendid Screen. Extended range hit at the start, land the bash, then get the damage-boosted swing.
funny thing is, you could actually theoretically one shot a fully overhealed heavy as demoknight. however, it requires a long setup and is very situational
if you're curious, a crit caber + splendid screen bash does at most 444 damage. so, if you did the eyelander shield damage buff transfer to the splendid screen, hitting the combo could do up to 487 damage
Shitty melee hitreg 24/7, engine exploits with trimping, janky mechanics that aren't intended/doesn't work as intended (extender, longer charges on bash kills). Yup, definitely Source Engine the character.
@@vivelespatat2670 trimping is really fun though. they should just keep it as a feature like what they did with rocket jump! takes some skill, but extremely rewarding!
8:27 THEORY: the "regen charge on melee kill" stat actually just regenerates charge on any kill (or maybe just on any kill with a melee being held), it then does a check to see if it was a melee weapon kill, and removes however much charge it regenerated if its not, however if you hold right click, you initiate a new charge before the game has a chance to remove this regenerated charge meter
my own guess is that shield damage counts as melee damage ( either that, or it's because the shield itself isn't its own weapon - you're technically wielding another weapon when you charge, after all - so shield kills while holding a melee count as melee kills for the effect ) but applies _before_ the charge ends, so you get the meter refill in any time you get a shield kill to begin with ... but then your current charge ends and your charge meter immediately drops to zero it'd certainly explain why it just seems like a variant on the extender, since they both involve holding right click when you gain 100% charge to start a new one and prevent your old charge from ending, throwing away all that meter you just gained
8:40 what probably is happening is that the charge meter is getting refilled a moment before the charge ends and charge ending sets the meter to zero without caarrying any of the remaining meter over
@@adityamaram6293 well spy is mostly movement skill. demoknight is having experience of knowing exactly how far your charge goes, what your resistances are, or other stuff like that
@@localidiotnumber792 Well, couldn't you call the ability to gauge distance well, knowing when you should strike, from where you should strike, which target is your priority, and being able to dodge projectiles and shots a skill?
Imagine a demo knight running tide turner, booty's and eyelander or pursian persuader and just going around the map like a train constantly charging and getting shield bash kills
Demoknight Loadout: The Über-Charger -Eyelander (5 heads) -Tide Turner -Booties Oneshot scouts, spies, engineers, and snipers and pick up ammo boxes in a chain for infinite charge
@@tvcat5096 It's the tide turners ability. I think he means that when you kill a scout the tide turner shield bash will recharge and you will be able to charge further and possibly hit another person charging even more
Fun fact: The Scout (and I'm sure other classes with throwables) has a bug similar to the persian persuader. If you throw the flying guillotine by just clicking, then it'll automatically switch back to the weapon you had out before. But, if you hold down the click even after it's already been thrown, Scout will still be holding it both for you and other's perspectives. This gives no silly advantage like the persuader does, and I'm not even sure if this is the only unique throwable in the game, but still interesting. Just like how the bread monster mad milk has longer range than normal mad milk for no reason.
wow, great video! really easy to watch, explains stuff well with good examples and it's also pretty funny. I can see the AsumSaus inspiration but you made your own thing out of it, which is great! Also, I love the "Extender because Melee" reference lmaoo
8:36 I think it's because it refills on the kill but since you're slowed down it also ends the charge but if you're holding right click then it resets the charge before the game recognises that you're too slow, then you also get the immunity to the speed stop for the first 10%
Sadly the tide turner does less damage, (capping out at 75 with 5 heads) but if you used the glitched extendo reach to hit the light class before running into them then yes, they will die and yes, you can charge reset and continue the slaughter
I think the reason why the multibash works like that is that shields are calculated as *melee damage* for the purpose of damage calculations, with a separate line of code added on top that says "shield bash = end charge" but then it also has a line that says alt-fire = charge and then it has one singular tick where the charge ends and the charge meter is full and then due to weird code a charge cannot start while a charge is ending so you just don't get the effects but the game treats all of them as separate charges and you could test this by testing the damage output of the splendid screen after a bash chain
I have to imagine someone already mentioned this, but it seems that your charge ending for any reason empties the meter, so if you get a charge kill normally, the charge ends after getting the refill, setting you back to 0
I have a theory for the buff transferring. The change to the Eyelander that gave it the extra damage for every head was not actually added to the Eyelander but rather the shields. I imagine it was done this way just in case they added another weapon later that gathered heads as well. This could explain why the bug only doesn't occur on the sword items, there may be some kind of tag calling them a sword. Ah, the Half-Zatoichi. Well it was the only of the swords to also appear on another class and for a while the animations were bugged in the loadout menu and it displayed the stock bottle animations but with the sword in hand. So I presume the weapon is missing these tags if they exist.
Solar light you're awesome I wish you made a lot more videos you're editing is awesome really like how you change the pace of everything just keep up the good work
![Felix "Unfair" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oswujxm2Ag0/mqdefault.jpg)
Oh, thanks for 100k by the way. I kind of rocketed past that milestone since the last actual video I uploaded on Halloween.
Ur welcome.
Ok
I want to see a gameplay of you as soldier with a half zatoichi and name it Soldier-rai (Samurai but it was replaced by soldier)
Honestly you deserve being at 100k+, hope your new year went great!
Wait you only have 100k wtf?
Hold all the buttons down all the time just in case, got it
yO , ToOf
Just flip your keyboard every time you charge, I dont know what will happen but I imagine something good
Yep
my man is not verfied
yeah that sounds about right
3 bottles is not enough
We need more
Oh. It's berd.
How about 256?
@@tabnk2 yessir
Ooooh, scrumpy.
Source spagettiknight TF2
Btw, wonder why shield bash sometimes doesn’t register. Might be a good breakdown video theme. Good vid though!
im pretty sure that might just be pinge
woah i didnt expect to see you here
Well, I did since they both know each other. (You'd know from discord servers.)
And when it does register, you’d sometimes wonder how it even hits at such a ridiculous angle
@@HappyToast-st8el pretty sure shield bashes are determined by the two players' collision hulls touching, and not with any unique hitbox specific to the shield.
physical interactions with players in MP Source games are quite janky and jittery in general, TF2 being no exception(most noticeable when playing Spy), so this could explain the shield bash being jank too.
just my guess.
Speaking of transferring between weapons:
The Eyelander & Airstike use the same code to track kills, and even share the stealing mechanic.
So if an Eyelander Demo kills an Airstike Soldier who has some kills, he'll steal them as heads.
Same as the bazaar bargain. The amount of heads the sniper has can be stolen by the eyelander.
Now I don't quite remember, but I'm pretty sure the airstrike can steal heads from both the eylander and bargain, but the bargain can't steal from the others.
I guess this is what happens when you share code amongst things...
@@BlazingShadowSword you're correct.
@@theultimatetrashman887 it's intentional.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Funnily enough, I've learned since then that the Vita-saw organs can be stolen and can steal from all the others as well. The Bazaar Bargain is the only weapon that can't steal from anything.
the character bobbing its head all over the place reminds me of the way they do it in Red VS Blue show
That triple bottle is so cursed
💩
Family size scrumpy
@@RayanfhoulaBR "4 seconds ago"
@@susanncannon4741 "3 minutes ago"
@@RayanfhoulaBR "53 minutes ago"
petition to make this outro his standard outro
*yES*
What's the song name?
@@enzoferrari6388 mof - 64nick
Yes
@@pr0gurt didn't find anything
Ah yes, woolen style commentary where the character model has a seizure every time you say something
woooly boy
The best way of storytelling in the history
woolen :-)
I refer to it as the RvB style. Red vs Blue was a Halo Machinama where whenever the characters talk, their heads would nod up and down. This is just a more extreme version of that.
That styles been around in game videos since forever
Theoretically, the "extender" might sync quite well with the Splendid Screen. Extended range hit at the start, land the bash, then get the damage-boosted swing.
at minimum, that is 345. With 5 heads, it is 388
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 Holy moly.
funny thing is, you could actually theoretically one shot a fully overhealed heavy as demoknight. however, it requires a long setup and is very situational
if you're curious, a crit caber + splendid screen bash does at most 444 damage. so, if you did the eyelander shield damage buff transfer to the splendid screen, hitting the combo could do up to 487 damage
@@jackmio AEEEEAEAEAEAEEAEAUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHH kaBOOOOM aaaaaaeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuugggggghhhhhhh you have dominated heavy
Heavy revenge
My conclusion: Holding down right click as Demoknight TF2 causes very strange things to happen.
"I don't know how to end this video, so..."
*Ends it with utmost perfection*
Mann wtf
MANN CO.
"It seems that Valve made one mistake"
... one?
Well yeah, it's relative. One, as in the amount of atoms in one hand.
You mean dota right?
Well they certainly can't count to 3 so it has to be 1
Mistake
Mistake: Opposing Force
Mistake: Blue Shift
Mistake: Decay
Mistake 2
Mistake 2: Episode 1
Mistake 2: Episode 2
Mistake 2: Lost Coast
Mistake 2: Deathmatch
Mistake Alyx
Mistake X ( White Sands )
Not to forget the fanmade remake of Mistake for modern audiences:
Mistake Mesa
Demoknight is basically just.. source engine, the character
Shitty melee hitreg 24/7, engine exploits with trimping, janky mechanics that aren't intended/doesn't work as intended (extender, longer charges on bash kills).
Yup, definitely Source Engine the character.
@@vivelespatat2670 the
Most jank thing you can somehow have fun playing
yes
@@vivelespatat2670 trimping is really fun though. they should just keep it as a feature like what they did with rocket jump! takes some skill, but extremely rewarding!
@@kapa_nitoriit is a feature though, there's a loading screen tip that mentions it.
"I don't really know the best way to end this video"
*proceeds to end the video in the best possible manner*
You don’t need to swing before charging, melee hit detection is so broken that half the time it’ll connect anyway.
Man, I hope to see a dual sword demoknight one day
Yea im sure everyone else would love that
How is this comment older than the video
Demo knight hell.exe
130 damage per hit
390 damage when crit
Just saying
@Your Local Meme Dealer oh
"Why sword when have bottle"
-LazyPurple
When can have bottle
Don’t deface quotes
Why have sword when can have bottle
"Why have sword when have Sharp glass"
Lol
Why use sword when can have sharp glass?
This video demonstrated something crucial:
the movement of the character's head relative to the mouse's movements is absolutely beautiful.
8:27
THEORY:
the "regen charge on melee kill" stat actually just regenerates charge on any kill (or maybe just on any kill with a melee being held), it then does a check to see if it was a melee weapon kill, and removes however much charge it regenerated if its not, however if you hold right click, you initiate a new charge before the game has a chance to remove this regenerated charge meter
my own guess is that shield damage counts as melee damage ( either that, or it's because the shield itself isn't its own weapon - you're technically wielding another weapon when you charge, after all - so shield kills while holding a melee count as melee kills for the effect ) but applies _before_ the charge ends, so you get the meter refill in any time you get a shield kill to begin with ... but then your current charge ends and your charge meter immediately drops to zero
it'd certainly explain why it just seems like a variant on the extender, since they both involve holding right click when you gain 100% charge to start a new one and prevent your old charge from ending, throwing away all that meter you just gained
Keep in mind that the extender can be used to mess up a pyro’s airblast timing because they don’t expect you to have the increased melee range
Wasn’t expecting to see a 3kliksphilip “Sorse” joke, but it’s a welcome surprise
It's actually from his smaller, prettier, more dank brother 2kliksphilip but as usual his brother steals all his credit
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
Every RUclipsr sone how knows every other one
SolarLight: "I don't really know the best way to end this video."
Also SolarLight: *Ends the video in the best way possible*
Agreed
By breaking his arm with good music
Exactly
10:34
"The claps from my ass cheeks keep alerting the enemy pyro"
-Spy Doer of moms
He is back when his people needed him the most
Aye can you tell me what the map at 0:20 is?
@@user-bw4ec4bm2t tr_walkway
@@abdulrahmanalbinali4095 thanks
truancy
8:40 what probably is happening is that the charge meter is getting refilled a moment before the charge ends and charge ending sets the meter to zero without caarrying any of the remaining meter over
8:44 I’m glad I’m not the only one who believes that naruto song is an absolute BANGER.
Which one?
@@TheInfectedGamerYTKonoha Gate Clash of Ninja 2
@@PKSunset I don't watch anime, I don't know what song that is specifically....
@@PKSunset wait nevermindI'mtired and disoriented Ijust had to clickthe timestampand to actually listen to sorry ignoremy lastcomment
@@TheInfectedGamerYT its okay we're all petarded from time to time :)
After watching Solar and knowing that there is someone with that much power and skill, i am too afraid to go into pubs.
@@ametictou what do you mean by experience instead of skill.
@@adityamaram6293 well spy is mostly movement skill. demoknight is having experience of knowing exactly how far your charge goes, what your resistances are, or other stuff like that
@@localidiotnumber792 Well, couldn't you call the ability to gauge distance well, knowing when you should strike, from where you should strike, which target is your priority, and being able to dodge projectiles and shots a skill?
@@adityamaram6293 Yeah, but knowing exactly what your opponent can do based on their visible load out only comes with experience
I was on one of his teams during the whole Headless Headsman incident... let's just say he carried the team.
the virgin SFM vs the chad shaking the mouse around
This meme is gay
what
@@urmemegay7929 so is your mom
@@Rodrigo-kq3js that's because your ideas hasn't developed yet
@@urmemegay7929 ta *sar *************************** and thee area.#**** ************tehe e te e ******************teaste *et t to t
"my code is perfect, it accounts for every eventuality"
"What if I hold the button down?"
"IMPOSSIBLE!"
hmmmm yes this bug that extends your reach should be named the extender yes the perfect name
Imagine a demo knight running tide turner, booty's and eyelander or pursian persuader and just going around the map like a train constantly charging and getting shield bash kills
You don't have to imagine if you join a 10-1000x server and wait
That’ll be me once I get the boots
"Special thanks to my Discord mods for being my guinea pigs for some parts of the video. "
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the most interesting glitch is that demoman does a mini punch when walking forward and backwards 10:39
Nah,its just his democrab spirit
well holy fuck this comment blew up
He’s more or less rolling his arm getting ready to “ shield bash “ sone one
0:55 someone needs to make this long bottle into an actual mod
SolarLight: This a bug
Me: This is a feature
6:56 I feel like the shield multi bash could be pretty useful in 10x
i got a rare achievement for that in x10
@@Theman-kr9fm what achievment
@@Chick2106 killing like 5 targets with 1 shield bash
The Simpsons Hit & Run OST has started to become a very common background music for TF2 videos for some reason.
Sounds like Tom Jones as well :D
I thought it was the ECDP ost
The ending was... Beautiful. Never cried so much at such a emotional story
The one with the dancing demoknight or the one with the spy with think cheeks?
@@czha8329 yes
That outro is perfection.
10:45 that is the grooviest demoknight dance i ahve ever seen in my whole life
So the game's code is held together with shoelaces and gum. Nice.
just gum, actually
Source IS a tower of duct tape.
@@DinnerForkTongue I stand corrected
That's source spaghetti for ya. It's like normal spaghetti but the noodles are moldy and the sauce is actual human feces.
@@kolamite reading the developer comments in the code from that one video, i think its likely seasoned with tears
Solarlight be like when he failed miserably :
(edit: well this is unexpected TBH....... But thx for the over 300 likea)
Yes he actually switching his trusty sword just to drink
How did you comment before the video
@@sophiedeergirl the video was priemered
@@sophiedeergirl always click on your notifications m8
Demoknight Loadout: The Über-Charger
-Eyelander (5 heads)
-Tide Turner
-Booties
Oneshot scouts, spies, engineers, and snipers and pick up ammo boxes in a chain for infinite charge
eyelander+ammo boxes=charge?
@@tvcat5096 It's the tide turners ability. I think he means that when you kill a scout the tide turner shield bash will recharge and you will be able to charge further and possibly hit another person charging even more
But tide Turner has less shield bash than splendid screen? Haven't checked the numbers but will it actually work?
@@iiiivvvv9986 He just has to kill someone who's at lower health.
Fun fact: The Scout (and I'm sure other classes with throwables) has a bug similar to the persian persuader. If you throw the flying guillotine by just clicking, then it'll automatically switch back to the weapon you had out before. But, if you hold down the click even after it's already been thrown, Scout will still be holding it both for you and other's perspectives. This gives no silly advantage like the persuader does, and I'm not even sure if this is the only unique throwable in the game, but still interesting. Just like how the bread monster mad milk has longer range than normal mad milk for no reason.
It's just a demo. There were bound to be some bugs
That extended bottle is 'Scrümpy for the GentleMann'
Ok so just hold right click no matter what when charging, got it.
This was the last place I expected to see Asumsaus referenced but I’m not complaining
This is, by far, the best outro ever.
wow, great video! really easy to watch, explains stuff well with good examples and it's also pretty funny.
I can see the AsumSaus inspiration but you made your own thing out of it, which is great!
Also, I love the "Extender because Melee" reference lmaoo
The demoman shaking his head and *vibin* is the funniest thing
Solar: idk how to end this video so just ughh.... *weird dance ensues*
The people: PERFECT
*weirder real ending ensues*
The people: EVEN BETTER!
0:25 were no strangers to buuuuugs you know the rules and so do i
8:36 I think it's because it refills on the kill but since you're slowed down it also ends the charge
but if you're holding right click then it resets the charge before the game recognises that you're too slow, then you also get the immunity to the speed stop for the first 10%
2:42 I saw this in my nightmares. The turnaround!
Let’s see if this video ends up being like the one that eventually patched one of the turn bugs and gave us the Tide Turner
I fear no man, but that thing
**triple bottle**
It scares me
The idea of giving demoman a sword and shield was a bug
i wouldn't be surprised
man your music choice is just perfect
I can smell a new demoknight montage with extender included.
Sooooooo, tide turner + booties + glitched eyelander buffing + holding down rmb = *Mowing through every light class in your line of sight*
Seems the perfect way to kill snipers on 2fort
Sadly the tide turner does less damage, (capping out at 75 with 5 heads) but if you used the glitched extendo reach to hit the light class before running into them then yes, they will die and yes, you can charge reset and continue the slaughter
Having recently taken up arms for the Demoknight TF2 cause, I can concur: The bugs are part of the fun.
Man, I cant wait to watch team fort 2 and see my favourite character, D E M O K N I G H T T F 2
OMG i saw the wavy text in the last buggy video and thought of asumsaus!!! loved you shouted them out
You almost made me choke before the 1 minute mark. Good job.
0:53 When you see your crush at school
No no thats wrong
No no fbi at my door
FBI OPEN UP
I think I thought less worse than others.
Funny relatable memes
Valve : *_Removed demoknight TF2_* too confusing for new players
@Yelta Cookie so i guess you haven't seen how many times they've removed something for being "too confusing for new players"
Nobody:
Solar when talking: w i g g l e
This video was amazing and it’s editing was even better lmfaoooo
“WHAT THE FU- BOOOOOOM”
Now that’s a meme I haven’t seen in ages…
10:33 Everytime during setup as a demoman I either spam KABOOM taunt or do a democrab rave
0:56 - Many dirty jokes to be made here.
In regards to carrying over eyelander buffs, swapping to the caber with the buffed splendid screen could most likely one hit a 450 hp Heavy
This is a great vid!! I can see the Amus inspiration and that's honestly a really good thing. I actually understand TF2 lol
That last part was the best thing I’ve ever seen
10:33 so... who's gonna make this part for 10 hours?
2:24 i like how you put in the subtitle a little reference to lazy purple
With that weird thing he was doing with his left arm at the end I think you found a new Spycrab-ish thing
That ending is life-changing. Thank you.
2:40 he has an extreme case of bug eyes
we need a 10hour version of that ending
when bottleknight tf2:
bottleknight is now meta
CRITICAL HIT
Obviously when you hold M2 the shield grows several tiny eyelanders on it, hence why it counts for melee kills
I think the reason why the multibash works like that is that shields are calculated as *melee damage* for the purpose of damage calculations, with a separate line of code added on top that says "shield bash = end charge" but then it also has a line that says alt-fire = charge and then it has one singular tick where the charge ends and the charge meter is full and then due to weird code a charge cannot start while a charge is ending so you just don't get the effects but the game treats all of them as separate charges and you could test this by testing the damage output of the splendid screen after a bash chain
"Aye, me bottle o' scrumpy!"
FREEEE- *gets teleported to Brazil*
Couple o' bottles o' scrampe
10:32 When you have to extend to video lenght to 10 minutes but dont know how.
He extended the video by holding right-click
The video was already 10 minutes
it was 10 minutes before that
BlackRaven918 he extended the video by pushing down the right click button like the person above said
Try thinking before making a comment
I have to imagine someone already mentioned this, but it seems that your charge ending for any reason empties the meter, so if you get a charge kill normally, the charge ends after getting the refill, setting you back to 0
The best part of the dance at the end is how, with only the charge, Solar has managed to get to these places
I have a theory for the buff transferring. The change to the Eyelander that gave it the extra damage for every head was not actually added to the Eyelander but rather the shields. I imagine it was done this way just in case they added another weapon later that gathered heads as well. This could explain why the bug only doesn't occur on the sword items, there may be some kind of tag calling them a sword. Ah, the Half-Zatoichi. Well it was the only of the swords to also appear on another class and for a while the animations were bugged in the loadout menu and it displayed the stock bottle animations but with the sword in hand. So I presume the weapon is missing these tags if they exist.
Yea and valve doesn’t want to change spy play style.
Best ending ever
This man is the official "demoman gaming"
Solar light you're awesome I wish you made a lot more videos you're editing is awesome really like how you change the pace of everything just keep up the good work
I like the machinima head bobs, its been a while since I last watched one of your demoknight videos
I love that ending dance.
“engineering gaming”
- engineer gaming 2021
dead meme
1:34 I actually laughed at that.
4:36 I really expected he was gonna say “In order to understand what’s going on: we need to talk about parallel universes.”
1:29 AsumSauce wavy text yay