I totally agree. Titans have zero true identity and basically a placeholder for being abke to say "we have three classes to choose from". BUT even our punching identity can be replicated by hunters with their exotics as well....so basically hunters and warlocks can do what titans do but better. Also hunter and warlock exotics do waaaaay more than titan exotics do. Like cool I have two shield throws that can also stun champions, but wait, it doesn't even work because both shield throws arent even powerful enough to break a shield to stun....overall titans are lacking. The best exotic we had just git a nerf. Lorli. Something that was actually useful to the fireteam in high tier pve because of survivability purposes. But now......just another thing if the past. Titans do not have a single stand out exotic they just have a bunch if exotics they are meh or arw soooo niche you have to 100% build into it and nothing else just to make it work. And being ine dimensional isn't good
They had a diamond lance for stasis titan but they didn't turn that into a super. Instead, you get frosty punch. A easy way to play into the warrior archetype would be to tie each subclass with some sort of weapon typically used by a warrior. I mean, solar has a hammer, void has a shield, but they just stopped there
Ok I'm at the five minute mark and forgive me if you mention this later on... But titans do have a clear Identity within the sandbox, if we continue with the RPG analogies; hunters are assassins/rogues, warlocks are mages/healers and Titans are your bastions/paladins/tanks. They are the class that at best holds the line, can take the most punishment, while also being the battering ram when needed, which means for the most part being melee-centric which of course entails hitting something as hard as you can. Most of the titan kit falls into that category; loreley, ursa, stronghold and citan's are a few exotics that reinforce that defensive shield fantasy, while exotics like synthoceps, wormgod's caress and insurmountable skullfort all uplift the melee aspects. Even the subclasses underline the tank mentality, behemoth: everything can be an icewall, sentinel: stand behind my shield, siege breaker: everything is a nail, juggernaut: get out of the way or get run over. Titan's are destiny's tank and that identity just keeps getting stronger, Loreley recently showed us what an unkillable tank looks like, and crest of the shooting star is still every titan main's favorite battering ram. If those two aspects aren't class defining... Then I don't know what is.
Hmmm...I can't say I disagree with you. It's just gameplay wise I don't feel it the way I do with the others. Titans are Destiny's tank but on many occasions its the least tanky. Shoulder charge isn't ohk anymore just to name a few. But yes I 100% agree with your points though.
I do understand your point. Needing to constantly spec into 100 res to feel the true tank fantasy is a bit of a downer when warlock and hunter don't necessarily need 100 mobility or recovery to fully take advantage of their kits... But as for things like shoulder charge, I do understand the need behind nerfing it in pvp, but peregrine greaves and synthoceps have still kept it alive in pvp, while in pve it's still one of the strongest titan tools at base. I think that for me the main issue with titan is that it's a class that constantly dances over the line between balanced and overpowered. I'm a hunter main, but I remember how easy it was a couple of years ago to play Titan. Whether it was the original arc buff, the first appearance of loreley or OEM, or how broken behemoth was out of the box, not to mention Ursa's being a must have in GMs a before. I think the main issue with them, is just how hard it is to balance their kit. It's either going to be overpowered or underwhelming...
@@PocketTuna to be fair I said OP or underwhelming, not useless. I know for a fact that if you build into the titan, they can be a menace. Titans are still the only class that can solo one phase Gahlran as well as multiple raid bosses. And I’ve had to fight multiple titans in the crucible that despite all the nerfs, still feel like unkillable tanks. Titans are hard to balance because their kit is oppressive to begin with. I believe they’re still fun to play in pve, but I’m thankful of all the multiple times they’ve been nerfed in pvp. Despite their nerfed kit, I’ve seen what a good titan player can do with it. In PvP at least, it demands that you learn how to use the kit and build into it.
The way I've always thought of titan, is that you get to be the unstoppable force AND the immovable object, depending on what the situation requires. hunters are sneaky and precise, warlocks graceful and unpredictable, titans are raw immeasurable strength. The natural leaders out of the 3 classes, and always the first into the fight
Always thought of the Titan symbolizing the word Guardian. As the “tank” choice for Destiny, they’re the space soldier that’s straight to the point. Where the Hunter uses weapons, and Warlocks conjure raw energy, the Titan uses their body to control their power. When I say symbolizing the word “Guardian”, I mean when I think of someone or something guarding something, I’m expecting it be a large individual, willing to crush/destroy anything with their strength. Punching can get repetitive, but I mean that’s what Titans do.
Yeah, our emblem symbolizes battle of six fronts, we are suposed to be city´s protectors . Now reality check: There is no point in playing sunbreaker (yeah bonk builds, but thats it), sentinel ...yeah banner shield is usefull in some scenarios,bubble is useless, juggernaut ? nah you need to use exotic to make one super viable and even after that its mediocore 400k dmg max . I would love to see them build more into that tactical/commander archetype. Thats in our lore, something like give them firing line thing like ability for the dps on the sentinel...like auras, deployable buffs (imagine paladin from WoW)
This is the perfect video for all my complaints about my class. We just don't have an identity. If you even look at the description of the class when you choose which one you want be Titan says "Disciplined and proud, Titans lead from the front with aggressive assaults and stalwart defenses" I guess this is long form for "MELEE".
I rock a Titan because I love Halo so much, and Destiny being made by the same peeps, it is reminiscent to Marine Spartans like Master Chief. I do agree that Bungo needs to add more capability to the Titan. Titans do have Kinght and Spartan/Roman themed armor, but not special attacks. It would be sweet to have a ranged melee attack such as a Javelin, or roaming Spear and Shield type of thing that does more than just slam the ground.
I tried to do like a magic knight (arc) or a viking style (solar) with Titan. But the idea of having more warrior themes for the class would be amazing. Arc being like a Samurai, doing a zantetsuken AOE, and flash striking with their arc-powered katana. Or with Stasis they have a viking style archetype with twin stasis battle axes. And Solar being a spartan with a spear and shield, utilizing high damaging counter attacks or something. All of them being the most powerful warriors throughout the history of Humankind, instead of just a genetic soldier that punches. Just sounds better
I'm also a titan main and one thing that bothers me aside from our identity being strictly "punch absolutely everything" is the weird interactions in some subclasses. For example, whole you're on your Behemoth super and you grab a diamond lance, your whole super gets consumed. Why not give us an empowered version of the lance if we grab it while super is active? Why not let us wield the lance as a weapon instead? That's another thing that bothers me about titan. So many wasted opportunites with out supers.
All the subclasses from how I think they should've been or already are Hunters -Gunslingers(Solar): Cowboys: Could focus on gunplay -Arcstriders(Arc): Martial artist: Melee focused, chain attacks and dodging -Nightstalkers(Void): Traditional hunters: Disabling and stealth -Revenant(Stasis): Shinobi + mountainclimbers: Should've leaned more into an identity instead of throw sickles. I don't blame bungie since I can't think of a gameplay fantasy and also the name seems like a second thought than anything. Ice ninja is a cool idea, just a hard one to make unique. -Threadrunner(Strand): Martial artist + parkourist: Going of a limb, may be the most mobile class Warlocks -Dawnblade(Solar): Archangel: Healing and restoration but also mobile skirmishers -Stormcaller(Arc): Runic mage/sorcerer: Heavy on DPS and continuous damage -Voidwalker(Void): Vampires: Self sustainment -Shadebiner(Stasis): Basic wizard: Personally, they could've been a defensive type warlock -Architect(Strand): Psionic/esper: Don't like the super but like the idea of creating minions Titans -Sunbreaker(Solar): Armourclad warriors/and blacksmiths?: Ranged and explosive damage? Mid-long range combat titan? Lean to the burn effect a bit more? -Strikers(Arc): Brawlers, basic soldiers and maybe(stretching a lil bit) superheroes. Definetly inspired by hulk: Super fast, melee based shock troopers. -Sentinel(void): The word "guardian" or paladins: Defensive AF -Behemoth(Stasis): Personally I view them as a hulking monster, where in-lore strikers are coordinated "strikers", a behemoth shouldve been relentless and mindless giants: Gameplay wise should be true tanks, like strikers but way slower and hits 10x harder. Or physically/environmentally defensive unlike sentinels which are self-defensive/buffs teammates. -Tyrant(Strand): Yeah I agree with you, I have nothing. I really wanted them to be lancers with a spear or halberd but instead we got slicey bois. Not a bad concept by design but the fact its a roaming super and titans version of void hunters blade super. I can see where they were going with, strand doesn't seem to fit the blunt weapons if that makes sense. Elements --Solar: Pure damage and healing. Gunslingers are the heat of the barrel and bright shining confidence, dawnblades are the soothing and also burning radiance of the sun and sunbreakers are the volatility of the sun and to an extent represents molten metal of a forge perhaps. --Arc: Melee, speed and continuous damage. Arcstriders are the flow of electricity, stormcallers are the conduction of lightning and strikers are the loud crackle of thunder. Bladedancers may be the flash of light from lightning. --Void: Self sustainment and disabling. Nightstalkers are the inherit dark of the void/night, voidwalkers are the complete control of black holes and sentinels is the strength/durability of gravity/stars. --Stasis: Disabling also but in my eyes should've been more tank-like. Revenant are the blizzard and snowstorms, shadebinders the darkness from stasis/lack of heat and behemoth the power of mountains, avalanches and glaciers. --Strand: Unsure but they did say they are mobility based. I am unsure of their playstyles so I will go of what I think firsthand. Threadrunners is the freedom and flexibility of strings, architects the creation and weaving of reality + psychic energy in its purity and tyrants are......damn Verdict Looking at this video, I don't necessarily disagree with you, a bit harsh it's true. I personally think bungie wasn't concerned with making all the subclasses culturally unique, just fitting an archetype in general. I don't think they were thinking gameplay first, fantasy second but its just the fantasy itself is centred in such a core level, it looks simple, rookie mistake and that's ok. It's just when the game progresses and more upgrades come up, we notice this more. Striker punch hard and fast, sentinels defend and sentinels go boom and burn. Stasis is a while nother story with all their subclasses. What is the identity of stasis subclasses as the individual hunters, titans and warlocks and not the gameplay loop of slow, freeze, shatter. This is why the subclass specific armour ornaments slightly dissapointed me. Void armour looks great, they have the individual weapons there and it looks good. Solar armour could be better but the titan really represents that blacksmith/warrior idea. Dawnblades should've gotten wings like the sacred dawn exotic but its fine. Arc is the worst and that makes me incredibly sad, just zappy effects and blue stone, that's it and not worth the silver for a full set. As a whole great analysis of a problem players often overlook and I don't blame em. PVP players especially care more about gameplay and titans got that down pact. Punching is basic but punching is what they do best. Strand looks great and lets hope the titans kit is dope.
Thanks, you did not bad yourself. I think your strand video will have a ton of points I’d never thought off. Also I would really wanna see your thoughts of stasis in a future video(now those really don’t have an gameplay identity).
EXACTLY!!! I actually just reviewed it on the channel 8/10 subclass for me. THe only subclass I like better than sentinel is Solar but I will admit that void is overall better.
Warlocks wield the light/darkness in it’s most raw state, not doing much to change it but to instead let the energy flow out of them or through a sword or staff. Hunters wield the light/darkness by shaping it into tools. Gun, knife, bow, staff, knives, kama and soon rope dart, all these are how the Hunter sees themselves using the light the most effectively. Lastly Titans, who use the light/darkness the most simplistically. “Multi-colored punch” is actually the best way to describe how Titans see themselves using the light effectively, because not much thought goes into it outside that. Even the tools they do get are very blunt and don’t stray far away from just hitting what’s in front of them or protecting what’s behind them. Now I’m not pushing the stereotype that Titans are dumb crayon eaters since Bungie wants to lean away from that, it’s just a matter of fact that the way that the way Titans wield the light is plain and simple and to the point, which also makes it troublesome.
Honestly like most of the titan roaming supers r just the same with little difference. And void melee shield is still bad I’ll rather have the one where if I kill I get full over shield
Yeah! I completely agree! It's very much that Titans use their powers to augment themselves. Which is why most of their powers are so close-ranged. Primitive, but certainly not lacking in depth!
I seriously don’t get why at least one of these subclasses has at least a sword or an axe, they gave it to warlock, which is fine, but now bungie seems afraid to give one to titan too. I want to see a knight subclass for titan, and I thought the Spartan idea was cool too. I also like the raw punch brawler idea, but I shouldn’t be the theme for every single subclass either.
I always saw the titan as a warrior but never really felt like one in d2, i main it because it’s fun for me. I don’t really see a theme with titan as well, like a jack of all trades, A smith? thunder god? A bubble magic shield? They say titans are the big damage class but at this point idk what that even means.
Exactly, same feelings here. I feel a disconnect from the class. I main the Titan class because it's fun, but it's strange because I'm unsure what I'm supposed to be most times and it's an annoying disconnect when I look at the other 2 classes.
Titans are big damage, just use one two punch shotty w void, or thunder crash, or behemoth with mini bubble and synthos. Also arc titan has the best dmg capability because of storm grenade spam, and you can see that in one phase trio rhulk w 3 titans all on heart of inmost light and storm grenades
The problem with Titans is that the classic trio (tank, mage, rogue) doesn't really fit well with post-medival settings with guns and such. Titans have to thread the needle of being as killable as other classes yet be an unstoppable force. PVP in particular make this problem much worse; if titans were truly and substantially tankier while still having access to the same weapons, PVP would be wrecked. Just look at Loreley Splendor: the one time that we Titans finally get to be a real tank (and Titans have to use the weakest offensive super in the game to get that tanky heal) and Bungie still say that it's unfair and then nerfed it. The Devs have to decide on whether Titans are meant to be tanks or not. I do hope that Bungie can do something on the edges, at least. Say make Titans highly resistant to enemy stomps and area effects or transform rally barricades into Citan Rampart-style shoot-through walls. I would love to see Titans default having non-regenerating Halo-style overshields like with Icefall Mantles.
I love my solar titan! As I primarily use abilities over gun play, I am always learning different ways to out play other meta types. Peregrine greaves melee build with aspects set for melee, burn and ignitions will one hit kill 100 resilience on any class. That “tiny hammer” will mess you up and heal on pickup has saved me many times. Clearly you don’t play titan and secondly, our exotics allow us to play multiple roles. I will still pick titan over the others all day.
In my eyes, the Titan is the knight. A Warrior in shining armour that charges through hordes of enemies with their physical strength. A nobleman who provides a foundation for comrades and common people alike. Plus, knights have been commonly used in fantasy, so it fits the bill imo.
I agree with you, while I really enjoy the gameplay kit and utility that titan has I always agreed hunters has the most identity and iconic supers in the game, void bows, flaming guns, it all flows but titan is just big punchy punch boy
I always saw titans as the knights of the triad of classes I'd like to see more supers that give titans weapons like axes and swords to help with that fantasy maybe give us sword like weapons for every weapon slot like a flail or axe and have titan be retooled to synergize with a melee focused play style exactly like your spartan comparison
The way I see the Titans. They are the headstrong, first in, last out, a hulking berserker with little care for his/her own safety. Their only mission is demolishing the enemy. Strategy isn't what comes to mind. Stubborn and strong-willed. As for the style. literally so much pays homage to knights of old. Think King Arthur but instead of a longsword or claymore, it's his bare fists to show his sheer strength. [Also titans have a claymore to use] As for the strand super, it's a homage to a fighting style that mixes dancing and combat. It's an ironic twist on the normally brutish warrior.
Titan was my first class way back in D1, don’t get me wrong I played a fair bit of hunter too but titans are my class for sure. I remember being so enamored during the red war missions where you got your light back and you got to hear all the stories of various famous titans. I think they are loaded with flavor.
As a professional crayon eater I agree with you standpoint and that is also the reason why I main titan. Who needs to specialize his power given by the light and darkness, when all you need is overwhelm the enemy in front of you. No cool accessories shaped by your power needed, just raw power in your enemies face. Man I love Titans
Biggest gripe I have is that all the themes that titans get can be performed better by the other classes. The "melee class" having some of the worst melee exotics where warlocks shine better with ophidians, necrotics, sanguine alchemy even. The "protector class" even though well of radiance outperforms bubble in 90% of situations and warlocks are the only class that can get restoration 2, warlocks as a support class outweigh the need of a titan protector. Only buff we have is woven mail, and it's not even exclusive. Or "the tank", when hunters have many exotics that give resistances like renewal grasps or omniocculus where titans have none except icefall mantles ig if you wanna be more immoble than u already are with the new shoudler charge nerf. If there's anything I want most of all, just bc titans are brutes, doesn't mean they can't have ranged attacks.... All we can do is punch in close range with some of the worst melees. And the best melees, are ranged. Same with the best supers, ranged. Make a diamond lance super, or more supers where we throw shit, or... get this... more than a single shutdown super... it's just annoying being so powerless in endgame activities and having to go to warlock or hunter just to extremely excell with insane support or hyper damage. While, yes, titans are definitely viable in GM's, they are nowhere near the best. You slap in a warlock and suddenly the GM is a hero nightfall. Or an invis hunter and the mars GM becomes a free win.
I wish the Titans embodied this aspect of uncontrolled chaos tempered by the warrior spirit they seem to have. I think they should be the front line warriors with the most destructive elemental abilities. I think Arc 3.0 did a little bit of that with the aspect that enhances their grenades (mainly storm). But I wish they were more like that. I’ve never had more fun playing a Titan that an arc 3.0 HOIL ability chaining monster. That’s the Titan fantasy for me. When someone asks what the blast radius of my abilities is, I want to reply “yes” and kill every red bar there is.
Titan are like warriors, the ones who charge straight into battle, the ones who will crush their enemies. Soldiers you just don’t have an imagination you need someone to tell you what it is
I want to be a frontline tank, I’m supposed to be resilient, but everyone else can be as resilient as me and still heal their whole team. I agree, Titan is struggling at the minute. Hunters are demolishing damage. I want to be the space knight, the warrior of light.
Titans fantasy is this "the guy who steps on the battlefield and his first words are "I'm here to fuck you up" then process to set the world on fire not caring who he kills in the process" the DOOM guy character. The giant knight who slays gods for fun. The whole point of the Titan is to be an unstoppable killing force. Even in the lore, a Titan went agonist an entire fallen house when part of the wall fell and he killed them all like they're nothing. Hunters are slow, stealthy and precise. Warlocks and the magic archangels that control time and space. Titans are just pure unstoppable forces of death and strength. Just pure unfiltered power.
Titans are supposed to represent strength, in a brutish or bezerker way. You are using your own body or own physical might to fight. Turning your body into a missile to slam into opponents, throwing heavy hammers at high speeds or holding a shield whilst it's being battered by enemy projectiles. If warlock is the use of the light in a raw form, and hunter is weaponising the light, titan is using the light to enhance and augment their strength. Oh and the comment "protector is so broad", like saying "space mage" isn't broad at all. I don't understand how warlock is any more defined than titan, each subclass not really having a specific identity. Solar you throw swords and shoot fire OR heal your allies. Void you throw bombs OR you roam around exploding. Arc you chain lighting between foes OR just shoot a Lazer beam out of your fist. How is this comparable to the identities of hunter subclasses?
I like what’s there for titan, it my main class and I kind of struggle without the self sustainability of playing titan, but I can definitely see what you mean The nice thing about the 3.0 system though is that now bungo can *theoretically* rectify this without having to massively overhaul anything
While I know it wouldn't be changed because it's how the subclass was in D1, a spartan sunbreaker themed around being the last vestige of the now dead order would've been fuckin awesome for 3.0. gain an armor of smoldering ashes or sumn idk. Treading onto Kratos territory but that ain't a bad thing. No matter how much I complain/agree I'll still remain a titan main...if only because I ain't the type of guy that has the time to try out other classes lol.
I love playing Titan most of the times but sometimes it just really gets to me that Titans are, in the end, rainbow colored fists. There's not much beyond that and it's kinda saddening as a Titan main.
Solar- paladin Arc- berserker Void- the " sword and board" minus the sword Stasis is the only one lacking imo the hamer is normally a paladin tool sun spots act like consicrated ground spawned from your smite the arc titan chains grownimg melee damage and gaining health from vilance and the void is the noble protector using his light to PREVENT damage from befalling your friends sure the bank hamer as its called seems random but you cant exactly use traditional mmo abilities so the hamer is a good representation of the paladin see world of war craft
I first started out as a titan main in D1. When I saw the first live action trailer, I saw the titan and thought “this looks like the soldier class from Mass effect”. The reason I went with the titan was because one of the classes I like to play is the soldier class(if it’s available). And boy, I did not get that power fantasy. But I stuck with it through D1 because I like the titan’s armor. But then D2 came and I hated most of titan armor, because it made male titans super bulky. So I switched to a hunter main. Even still, titans don’t have a subclass that gives off the power fantasy of a soldier
I agree, but game play wise Warlock's mechanics were given to everyone with the 3.0 subclasses so the other too just feel like warlock's kit ++ from a gameplay stand point
Titian is a Spartan, both Greek and UNSC. In D&d Titan is a Paladin That can dish out moderate to high DPS, self heal, tank damage and enhance and defend party members. DPS : (Arc) Falling Star/ Thunder Crash, enhanced grenade aspect Heart of Innermost Light. Self heal/ Tank: (Solar) Any Sunspot/ Loreley Splender. Enhance Teammates & Defend: (Void) Weapons of light 40% weapon buff with Ursa Furiosa, plus Overshield from a barrier that teammates can shoot through. Titian can DPS like a Hunter, but not as well. Can heal like a Warlock, but not teammates. But only a Titan can go into battle to pick up a fallen ally and pop a wall to give that ally cover while respawing. Warlock Can heal everyone in a battle. Hunter can turn everyone invisible to get better position in a battle.
I think you hit the nail on the head on the reason why Titans have the lowest player count and it all comes down to that fantasy and fun. Even the Warlock rift plays into the fantasy as it's no different than a ward. Strand could have very easily been the engineer class. It would have fit with the lore that they are the battlefield tacticians. But instead they went with a class called berserker when we already have something that resembles a berserker. And now we miss put on something that could have not only fit with the theme of strand but would have synergies with the other classes as well. We already have woven mail which is like Tech armor they had the foundation to build off of but just seem to lack the inspiration to really get players jazzed about playing Titan. So instead they just overtune our abilities so we can at least be useful. The Strand Titan could have been the engineer class. Lore wise that still fits with the battle field tactician as well as it easily synergizes with the other strand subclasses. I think of Mass Effect and how unique their engineer class is and how destructive they can be. But Instead we get Tank/Support/Frontline/but this time you've got multiple dash melees and a painfully uninspired super. People keep saying mini gun but imagine if they leaned into the engineer theme and you could place multiple offensive turrets around. The effect could cause the explosions that tangle other enemies just like they've shown. It was literally laying right infront of them for the taking but they didn't want to effect the Warlocks power fantasy even tho deploying torrets should have always been the Titan Identity not the Warlocks
@@PocketTuna I think of Axton or Moze from Borderlands or even Roland. Games like Overwatch, Mass Effect, and several MOBAs have them and none of them are tied to the mage class. Sure Warlocks get pets but that doesn't mean turrets are in that pet class.
Commander/leader type archetype would be useful here. I think Titan appeals to people who want to be in charge. So something like ‘target designation’ where team mates are encouraged to coordinate their attacks with targets you mark to receive damage bonus. Also, I think the secondary appeal of Titan is its physique. The power fantasy is to be big, to negate damage, and to throw your weight around (greatswords, shields, hammers, axes, lances, demolitions). Some existing abilities do play into that. Strand Titan’s ‘banner’ aspect for example. Just need to do a bit more with it for the other classes. Missile arc titan is another decent effort, likewise Sentinel, and the hammers with healing from sunspots is nearly there. Behemoth running through crystals to shatter them = body as a weapon too.
Titans should be what they are. They should be bulky, powerful, and brutish. Barbaric but also protectors. Juggernauts and Defenders. They should be the wall that keeps others alive and enemies out. They shouldn’t just be punch go oof. They should be punch go boom. Exploding punches, tanky, higher health, not too agile, armored warriors of death and destruction.
Back on D1 in the select class screen i saw the Titan and for me, that was master chief, the space supersoldier, space marine... All the gear was plated armor that you could see a soldier use, then i used the super and i thought... "That's it?" I tried Void and it seemed a little better, then Hammer of Sol... I loved it, but turned my space soldier with anger issues into a sort of Viking blacksmith
I just look at behemoth and think "Beast". I mean there's even armor to look like a minotaur, and there's a banner on one armor that I really like which is a lion. But even if there's no clear identity, I think that's entirely viable as an almost proud humbleness that much of the titan armor even hints to. Lots of "from unknown titan" and other things about going in to do the job and not caring if no one remembers who did it. Just taking that silent glory to the grave.
Bungie: Titans stfu you're a punchy boi A Titan: My brother in light the strongest melee build right now is on the damn arc hunter Edit: I wish that the phoenix cradle exotic would be an aspect or a part of the titan subclass so increased the support/protector identity. Imagine creating a path with sunspots for your teammates to go throw and also have their benefits
If they want Titan mains to be enthusiastic, then they should lean into the tank theme much further. Add environment altering effects, for example. The ability to damage the areas where combat occurs-even, when a super is activated, using parts of the stage to wreak havoc. I’d love to channel a super into strength to be able to lift and toss a Spider Tank. Or to be able to use Thundercrash for more than just a single hit. They missed a big opportunity to use the strand theme creatively with the Tank character model. Imagine using a Strand whip that could latch on to a single enemy and could then be used to fling that enemy around like a ball and chain-causing whatever shield they have or enemy type to be used against your enemies. Or being able to combine the strand with the huge burning maul hammer for extended reach with the strand connection acting like a guillotine wire.
I completely agree with you, they could have given the stasis titans something like a sword and shield of ice, or a massive axe, a claymore, anything... But we got fist of havoc redux, and now we're getting burning maul redux. It's like they put the minimal effort into the titan and it's subclasses
I keep thinking since the departure of D2 that the fact that Titan's super with the burning maul be a two-handed hammer and not a Great War Ax like the ones the Iron Lords used and the ones we used at the end of the Rise of Iron story mode
Titan's identity is all about being the upfront protection, every subclass mission back in D1 summed up what being a Titan, Warlock, and Hunter is all about, Titans are for the people, a warrior to look up to in times of need, a crusader who's first calling is their gun, shield, hammer, or fist. Saint-14 was a great example of these, couragous, a fighter, a shield, he was a person for the people
In any trailer or scene when have you not seen titan just punch things. Titans are more than punching with a shield or ice fist. How about turning the ice gantlet into a ice war axe
Me too but at times I feel disconnected from it. Soldier class for me loses out to gunslinger. I think it fits it better with buffing weapon damage and reload seed. I see it as a brawler through and through I just want it to be more.
Tbh, Idk why they left the super soldier theme. Some of the D1 armor sets are spartan like armor that fits it so well. In D2, they have leaned to far into the fantasy aspect rather than keeping a balance. When it comes to subclasses, each Titan one may not have a template to go by like arcstrider is to monk, but they do have an overall theme. Strikers are supposed to be Juggernauts that are first into the fight & are the melee brawlers. Sentinels are the mini-tanks that can hold down the line and tactically dissemble enemy forces. Sunbreakers are supposed to be the legendary vanguard, the strongest solar class (at least according to lore). Behemoth is supposed to be a hybrid of tank & vanguard. I don't think they need a template to go off, but their roles/abilities should be refined and defined clearer. For example, a tornado that doesn't have any interaction with solar 3.0 effects or aspects/fragments. They should update or finally give us a range, one and done super. Let us fucking chuck that maul!
Titans are most similar to barbarians from dnd. I wouldn’t calm them boxers because their form is horrendous. Imagine how powerful a titan could be if they rotated their core instead of throwing there arms around.
Titan is a fighter...a Paladin, a Bezerker, a Tank, its an Offensive/Defensive Lineman. Nobody wants to tank, because it's not flashy, it's inherently boring, but incredibly important because it gets on the front line and grinds for the team.
You'd think Titan Strand super would have been more like Alex Mercer's critical mass abilities in Prototype. Like a massive Tendril Barrage that shoots out in all directions from your character and obliterates everything while also doing constant tick damage to bosses. Hell! I was even pissed that Behemoth super wasn't a huge Ground Spike or or something. Such missed opportunities! But no, we get stasis Fist of Havoc and Tasmanian Devil -_-
Imo warlocks and hunters have themes Titans have an identity they are a destiny thing not anything else A warlock as an Wizard A hunter is an assassin A titan is a TITAN
Honestly I don't get the point of forcing space guardians into a theme or archetype. Yeah, cool, they were inspired be shit that exists but I see no reason to limit something by demanding it be like something else. Just seems counter intuitive for creativity.
i feel a good way to make titan cooler is give them special weapons rather than just being marketed as their fists. Warlocks can use Swords and arcane damage or a healer, Arc uses a huge electricity kamehameha or a walking taser monster, or drop a huge Nuke on everyone. Hunters are the cowboys or knife throwing precision specialist, the hunter trapper void user, and a bo staff electricity martial artist. i do agree titans need more variation. Sentinal and Sunbreaker are practically their own identity but just reference a broad genre. Maybe make titans like space marines or Halo spartans.
instead of going on about how inaccurate a lot of what you said is, I'm going to say thank you. you did manage to make me rethink the whole bloody thing and pick titan back up. I will as a MAJOR strange fan bring your attention to the ancient one in the MCU since you tied Warlock to strange for some reason. By that fantasy/archetype EVERY PC IS A SORCERE.
Unfortunately Titans sometimes fit an archetype best by utilizing Certain exotics. Titan Exotics are all over the place filling all kinds of variations. Take Behemoth for example; It's a fine class and get some good freezing and shattering. It comes into its identity best when you use Hoarfrost and the ice spear aspect. Now the Behemoth creates fortresses of ice and freezes anything that would dare push you and becomes the inevitable force of the Avalanche (with the exception of the Melee ability.... that's not great). Siege Breaker is the same. A guy who creates Sunspots. But when you use Pheonix Cradle you are now a divine fire paladin that scorches foes and heals and rejuvenates your allies. Make sure your allies are running Time Dilation and Healing well mod.
@@PocketTuna I'm flattered really, but I doubt I have what it takes. 😄 That being said, if this is one of those "I really want you to be a part of this" situations, I will give it an honest shot. Regardless...I appreciate the compliment.
,@@PocketTuna I used the helm of Saint 14, iron companion gauntlets, Devastation complex chest plate, Retro-grade TG2 legs, and wing discipline mark. All it looks somewhat like a spartan
I think about that trailer atleast once a day. I’m glad someone out there on the internet remembers that trailer. I might make that into its own video it must be a sign. Shout out to you for the video idea!! Thanks brother
The video going up today is all about Hunter. I have my hazmat suit prepared for the backlash it's going to get lol ENJOY
Titan = ragging storm
@@deathanddemon2268 I love that lol
I totally agree. Titans have zero true identity and basically a placeholder for being abke to say "we have three classes to choose from". BUT even our punching identity can be replicated by hunters with their exotics as well....so basically hunters and warlocks can do what titans do but better. Also hunter and warlock exotics do waaaaay more than titan exotics do. Like cool I have two shield throws that can also stun champions, but wait, it doesn't even work because both shield throws arent even powerful enough to break a shield to stun....overall titans are lacking. The best exotic we had just git a nerf. Lorli. Something that was actually useful to the fireteam in high tier pve because of survivability purposes. But now......just another thing if the past. Titans do not have a single stand out exotic they just have a bunch if exotics they are meh or arw soooo niche you have to 100% build into it and nothing else just to make it work. And being ine dimensional isn't good
are titans supposed to be animal monsters?
a year later, with prismatic titan totally failing to show up, this rings more true than ever.
They had a diamond lance for stasis titan but they didn't turn that into a super. Instead, you get frosty punch. A easy way to play into the warrior archetype would be to tie each subclass with some sort of weapon typically used by a warrior.
I mean, solar has a hammer, void has a shield, but they just stopped there
Yep which is mind boggling to me
Ok I'm at the five minute mark and forgive me if you mention this later on... But titans do have a clear Identity within the sandbox, if we continue with the RPG analogies; hunters are assassins/rogues, warlocks are mages/healers and Titans are your bastions/paladins/tanks. They are the class that at best holds the line, can take the most punishment, while also being the battering ram when needed, which means for the most part being melee-centric which of course entails hitting something as hard as you can. Most of the titan kit falls into that category; loreley, ursa, stronghold and citan's are a few exotics that reinforce that defensive shield fantasy, while exotics like synthoceps, wormgod's caress and insurmountable skullfort all uplift the melee aspects. Even the subclasses underline the tank mentality, behemoth: everything can be an icewall, sentinel: stand behind my shield, siege breaker: everything is a nail, juggernaut: get out of the way or get run over. Titan's are destiny's tank and that identity just keeps getting stronger, Loreley recently showed us what an unkillable tank looks like, and crest of the shooting star is still every titan main's favorite battering ram. If those two aspects aren't class defining... Then I don't know what is.
Hmmm...I can't say I disagree with you. It's just gameplay wise I don't feel it the way I do with the others. Titans are Destiny's tank but on many occasions its the least tanky. Shoulder charge isn't ohk anymore just to name a few. But yes I 100% agree with your points though.
@@PocketTuna yea, doesn’t feel the same with how fun Hunter and Warlock plays. I try over and over, but I can never stick with Titan
I do understand your point. Needing to constantly spec into 100 res to feel the true tank fantasy is a bit of a downer when warlock and hunter don't necessarily need 100 mobility or recovery to fully take advantage of their kits... But as for things like shoulder charge, I do understand the need behind nerfing it in pvp, but peregrine greaves and synthoceps have still kept it alive in pvp, while in pve it's still one of the strongest titan tools at base.
I think that for me the main issue with titan is that it's a class that constantly dances over the line between balanced and overpowered. I'm a hunter main, but I remember how easy it was a couple of years ago to play Titan. Whether it was the original arc buff, the first appearance of loreley or OEM, or how broken behemoth was out of the box, not to mention Ursa's being a must have in GMs a before. I think the main issue with them, is just how hard it is to balance their kit. It's either going to be overpowered or underwhelming...
@@ALEXACEDEATH The fact that the titan class is either OP or useless in my opinion speaks to the lack of direction with the class.
@@PocketTuna to be fair I said OP or underwhelming, not useless. I know for a fact that if you build into the titan, they can be a menace. Titans are still the only class that can solo one phase Gahlran as well as multiple raid bosses. And I’ve had to fight multiple titans in the crucible that despite all the nerfs, still feel like unkillable tanks.
Titans are hard to balance because their kit is oppressive to begin with. I believe they’re still fun to play in pve, but I’m thankful of all the multiple times they’ve been nerfed in pvp. Despite their nerfed kit, I’ve seen what a good titan player can do with it. In PvP at least, it demands that you learn how to use the kit and build into it.
The way I've always thought of titan, is that you get to be the unstoppable force AND the immovable object, depending on what the situation requires. hunters are sneaky and precise, warlocks graceful and unpredictable, titans are raw immeasurable strength. The natural leaders out of the 3 classes, and always the first into the fight
I felt that way in destiny 1 but I don't know what happened. Follow up video coming soon.
Anymore Evidence see to our Lord Shaxx and have him speak to you about it 😂
You are neither unstoppable nor immovable. In any high end content you are just a piece of meat with less useful skills.
Always thought of the Titan symbolizing the word Guardian. As the “tank” choice for Destiny, they’re the space soldier that’s straight to the point. Where the Hunter uses weapons, and Warlocks conjure raw energy, the Titan uses their body to control their power. When I say symbolizing the word “Guardian”, I mean when I think of someone or something guarding something, I’m expecting it be a large individual, willing to crush/destroy anything with their strength. Punching can get repetitive, but I mean that’s what Titans do.
FACTS
Yeah, our emblem symbolizes battle of six fronts, we are suposed to be city´s protectors .
Now reality check: There is no point in playing sunbreaker (yeah bonk builds, but thats it), sentinel ...yeah banner shield is usefull in some scenarios,bubble is useless, juggernaut ? nah you need to use exotic to make one super viable and even after that its mediocore 400k dmg max .
I would love to see them build more into that tactical/commander archetype. Thats in our lore, something like give them firing line thing like ability for the dps on the sentinel...like auras, deployable buffs (imagine paladin from WoW)
This is the perfect video for all my complaints about my class. We just don't have an identity. If you even look at the description of the class when you choose which one you want be Titan says "Disciplined and proud, Titans lead from the front with aggressive assaults and stalwart defenses" I guess this is long form for "MELEE".
lmaoooooo right
Hunter: use equipments and weapons
Warlock: uses space magic and weapons
Titans: they are the weapons
My body is ready!
I rock a Titan because I love Halo so much, and Destiny being made by the same peeps, it is reminiscent to Marine Spartans like Master Chief. I do agree that Bungo needs to add more capability to the Titan. Titans do have Kinght and Spartan/Roman themed armor, but not special attacks. It would be sweet to have a ranged melee attack such as a Javelin, or roaming Spear and Shield type of thing that does more than just slam the ground.
MY BROTHA
Iunno about this. You get the Thor fantasy, the hulk fantasy, the Superman fantasy, the captain America fantasy. It’s the superhero
self proclaimed I feel
I tried to do like a magic knight (arc) or a viking style (solar) with Titan. But the idea of having more warrior themes for the class would be amazing. Arc being like a Samurai, doing a zantetsuken AOE, and flash striking with their arc-powered katana. Or with Stasis they have a viking style archetype with twin stasis battle axes. And Solar being a spartan with a spear and shield, utilizing high damaging counter attacks or something. All of them being the most powerful warriors throughout the history of Humankind, instead of just a genetic soldier that punches. Just sounds better
omg I love it
Ah yes, the Hunter, the lone wolf. That’s a much more bad ass way of saying the class that gets zero bitches
looooooooooooool wish I could like this twice
First time watching this video. You were ahead of the time, bro. Good needs analysis about the Titan's lack of identity and role playing fantasy.
I'm also a titan main and one thing that bothers me aside from our identity being strictly "punch absolutely everything" is the weird interactions in some subclasses. For example, whole you're on your Behemoth super and you grab a diamond lance, your whole super gets consumed. Why not give us an empowered version of the lance if we grab it while super is active? Why not let us wield the lance as a weapon instead? That's another thing that bothers me about titan. So many wasted opportunites with out supers.
DAMN! I didn't even know that
All you got is lightning stick and no vanguard. Leave us titans to eat our crayons in peace.
lmaooooooo sorry
All the subclasses from how I think they should've been or already are
Hunters
-Gunslingers(Solar): Cowboys: Could focus on gunplay
-Arcstriders(Arc): Martial artist: Melee focused, chain attacks and dodging
-Nightstalkers(Void): Traditional hunters: Disabling and stealth
-Revenant(Stasis): Shinobi + mountainclimbers: Should've leaned more into an identity instead of throw sickles. I don't blame bungie since I can't think of a gameplay fantasy and also the name seems like a second thought than anything. Ice ninja is a cool idea, just a hard one to make unique.
-Threadrunner(Strand): Martial artist + parkourist: Going of a limb, may be the most mobile class
Warlocks
-Dawnblade(Solar): Archangel: Healing and restoration but also mobile skirmishers
-Stormcaller(Arc): Runic mage/sorcerer: Heavy on DPS and continuous damage
-Voidwalker(Void): Vampires: Self sustainment
-Shadebiner(Stasis): Basic wizard: Personally, they could've been a defensive type warlock
-Architect(Strand): Psionic/esper: Don't like the super but like the idea of creating minions
Titans
-Sunbreaker(Solar): Armourclad warriors/and blacksmiths?: Ranged and explosive damage? Mid-long range combat titan? Lean to the burn effect a bit more?
-Strikers(Arc): Brawlers, basic soldiers and maybe(stretching a lil bit) superheroes. Definetly inspired by hulk: Super fast, melee based shock troopers.
-Sentinel(void): The word "guardian" or paladins: Defensive AF
-Behemoth(Stasis): Personally I view them as a hulking monster, where in-lore strikers are coordinated "strikers", a behemoth shouldve been relentless and mindless giants: Gameplay wise should be true tanks, like strikers but way slower and hits 10x harder. Or physically/environmentally defensive unlike sentinels which are self-defensive/buffs teammates.
-Tyrant(Strand): Yeah I agree with you, I have nothing. I really wanted them to be lancers with a spear or halberd but instead we got slicey bois. Not a bad concept by design but the fact its a roaming super and titans version of void hunters blade super. I can see where they were going with, strand doesn't seem to fit the blunt weapons if that makes sense.
Elements
--Solar: Pure damage and healing. Gunslingers are the heat of the barrel and bright shining confidence, dawnblades are the soothing and also burning radiance of the sun and sunbreakers are the volatility of the sun and to an extent represents molten metal of a forge perhaps.
--Arc: Melee, speed and continuous damage. Arcstriders are the flow of electricity, stormcallers are the conduction of lightning and strikers are the loud crackle of thunder. Bladedancers may be the flash of light from lightning.
--Void: Self sustainment and disabling. Nightstalkers are the inherit dark of the void/night, voidwalkers are the complete control of black holes and sentinels is the strength/durability of gravity/stars.
--Stasis: Disabling also but in my eyes should've been more tank-like. Revenant are the blizzard and snowstorms, shadebinders the darkness from stasis/lack of heat and behemoth the power of mountains, avalanches and glaciers.
--Strand: Unsure but they did say they are mobility based. I am unsure of their playstyles so I will go of what I think firsthand. Threadrunners is the freedom and flexibility of strings, architects the creation and weaving of reality + psychic energy in its purity and tyrants are......damn
Verdict
Looking at this video, I don't necessarily disagree with you, a bit harsh it's true. I personally think bungie wasn't concerned with making all the subclasses culturally unique, just fitting an archetype in general. I don't think they were thinking gameplay first, fantasy second but its just the fantasy itself is centred in such a core level, it looks simple, rookie mistake and that's ok. It's just when the game progresses and more upgrades come up, we notice this more. Striker punch hard and fast, sentinels defend and sentinels go boom and burn. Stasis is a while nother story with all their subclasses. What is the identity of stasis subclasses as the individual hunters, titans and warlocks and not the gameplay loop of slow, freeze, shatter.
This is why the subclass specific armour ornaments slightly dissapointed me. Void armour looks great, they have the individual weapons there and it looks good. Solar armour could be better but the titan really represents that blacksmith/warrior idea. Dawnblades should've gotten wings like the sacred dawn exotic but its fine. Arc is the worst and that makes me incredibly sad, just zappy effects and blue stone, that's it and not worth the silver for a full set.
As a whole great analysis of a problem players often overlook and I don't blame em. PVP players especially care more about gameplay and titans got that down pact. Punching is basic but punching is what they do best. Strand looks great and lets hope the titans kit is dope.
Well done analysis omg I'm impressed. Made a video on strand I'm truly sad now lol
Thanks, you did not bad yourself. I think your strand video will have a ton of points I’d never thought off. Also I would really wanna see your thoughts of stasis in a future video(now those really don’t have an gameplay identity).
@@roastyrockets4626 I'm in the process of making a stasis video for all 3 classes I'm looking forward to uploading that one.
Makes sense why people liked void 3.0 so much. Titans actually got a class that made them a tank, what they always wanted to be
EXACTLY!!! I actually just reviewed it on the channel 8/10 subclass for me. THe only subclass I like better than sentinel is Solar but I will admit that void is overall better.
POV: punch class when can’t one tap with shoulder no more
P A I N
"cowboys actually existed"
Uhm.. so did juggernauts, knights, brutish warriors
Don't recall saying that they didn't but I could be wrong.
@@PocketTuna but you overlooked it.
@@subject_changed4690 I will admit, I am not a perfect human being lol
I thought this was a recent video since it’s very relevant rn
Been predicting the downfall of Titans since day 1
Warlocks wield the light/darkness in it’s most raw state, not doing much to change it but to instead let the energy flow out of them or through a sword or staff.
Hunters wield the light/darkness by shaping it into tools. Gun, knife, bow, staff, knives, kama and soon rope dart, all these are how the Hunter sees themselves using the light the most effectively.
Lastly Titans, who use the light/darkness the most simplistically. “Multi-colored punch” is actually the best way to describe how Titans see themselves using the light effectively, because not much thought goes into it outside that. Even the tools they do get are very blunt and don’t stray far away from just hitting what’s in front of them or protecting what’s behind them. Now I’m not pushing the stereotype that Titans are dumb crayon eaters since Bungie wants to lean away from that, it’s just a matter of fact that the way that the way Titans wield the light is plain and simple and to the point, which also makes it troublesome.
I don't mind being a crayon eater to be honest lol I love your breakdown
Honestly like most of the titan roaming supers r just the same with little difference. And void melee shield is still bad I’ll rather have the one where if I kill I get full over shield
Yeah! I completely agree! It's very much that Titans use their powers to augment themselves. Which is why most of their powers are so close-ranged. Primitive, but certainly not lacking in depth!
I seriously don’t get why at least one of these subclasses has at least a sword or an axe, they gave it to warlock, which is fine, but now bungie seems afraid to give one to titan too. I want to see a knight subclass for titan, and I thought the Spartan idea was cool too. I also like the raw punch brawler idea, but I shouldn’t be the theme for every single subclass either.
100% agreed
The Titan: The Barbarian, the knight, the paladin.
yup doesn't come through in subclasses though which is my main issue
Gilgamesh, Roland, Berserkers, Marathon, Chief - those are the fantasies I'm seeing in Titan when I play the class.
I like these characters
I always saw the titan as a warrior but never really felt like one in d2, i main it because it’s fun for me. I don’t really see a theme with titan as well, like a jack of all trades, A smith? thunder god? A bubble magic shield? They say titans are the big damage class but at this point idk what that even means.
Exactly, same feelings here. I feel a disconnect from the class. I main the Titan class because it's fun, but it's strange because I'm unsure what I'm supposed to be most times and it's an annoying disconnect when I look at the other 2 classes.
@TheSovietOnion I feel this
Yeah they don't even have the strongest super. Big damage?
Titans are big damage, just use one two punch shotty w void, or thunder crash, or behemoth with mini bubble and synthos. Also arc titan has the best dmg capability because of storm grenade spam, and you can see that in one phase trio rhulk w 3 titans all on heart of inmost light and storm grenades
I see titans as defender, assault, swat / riot class. For solar class I feel it has an identity crisis
Titans theme is crayon, color the world with weapons that go pewpew
lol can't argue with that
Yeah really good points here it's frustrating because it feels like a massive missed opportunity
P A I N
The problem with Titans is that the classic trio (tank, mage, rogue) doesn't really fit well with post-medival settings with guns and such. Titans have to thread the needle of being as killable as other classes yet be an unstoppable force. PVP in particular make this problem much worse; if titans were truly and substantially tankier while still having access to the same weapons, PVP would be wrecked. Just look at Loreley Splendor: the one time that we Titans finally get to be a real tank (and Titans have to use the weakest offensive super in the game to get that tanky heal) and Bungie still say that it's unfair and then nerfed it. The Devs have to decide on whether Titans are meant to be tanks or not.
I do hope that Bungie can do something on the edges, at least. Say make Titans highly resistant to enemy stomps and area effects or transform rally barricades into Citan Rampart-style shoot-through walls. I would love to see Titans default having non-regenerating Halo-style overshields like with Icefall Mantles.
I like how they made the ducktaped tripmine "Easy to hit" while the titan's double hammer slam get countered by literally just jumping normally xD
LMFAO classic
It's crazy that this showed up in my recommendation AFTER I watched TDT's take on this
I love my solar titan! As I primarily use abilities over gun play, I am always learning different ways to out play other meta types. Peregrine greaves melee build with aspects set for melee, burn and ignitions will one hit kill 100 resilience on any class. That “tiny hammer” will mess you up and heal on pickup has saved me many times. Clearly you don’t play titan and secondly, our exotics allow us to play multiple roles. I will still pick titan over the others all day.
In my eyes, the Titan is the knight. A Warrior in shining armour that charges through hordes of enemies with their physical strength. A nobleman who provides a foundation for comrades and common people alike. Plus, knights have been commonly used in fantasy, so it fits the bill imo.
I agree with you, while I really enjoy the gameplay kit and utility that titan has I always agreed hunters has the most identity and iconic supers in the game, void bows, flaming guns, it all flows but titan is just big punchy punch boy
I always saw titans as the knights of the triad of classes I'd like to see more supers that give titans weapons like axes and swords to help with that fantasy maybe give us sword like weapons for every weapon slot like a flail or axe and have titan be retooled to synergize with a melee focused play style exactly like your spartan comparison
The way I see the Titans. They are the headstrong, first in, last out, a hulking berserker with little care for his/her own safety. Their only mission is demolishing the enemy. Strategy isn't what comes to mind. Stubborn and strong-willed.
As for the style. literally so much pays homage to knights of old. Think King Arthur but instead of a longsword or claymore, it's his bare fists to show his sheer strength. [Also titans have a claymore to use]
As for the strand super, it's a homage to a fighting style that mixes dancing and combat. It's an ironic twist on the normally brutish warrior.
I've never heard anyone complain about a Titans lack of archetype before and I'm just curious if there's honestly more people who think like this.
Seems like it lol
Sorry, I should clarifying. I've never thought about this being a problem because I'm too busy punching things.
@@mattsimeoni874 My man.
Titans identity is all about Inmortality and they should encourage that
AGREED
I want to see titans conjuring something other than fists/gauntlets, like a huge shield and sword from a paladin or a lance and shield like a spartan
SERIOUSLY
Titan is the Knight.
Hunter is the Archer.
Warlock is the Wizard.
Yep!
Titan was my first class way back in D1, don’t get me wrong I played a fair bit of hunter too but titans are my class for sure. I remember being so enamored during the red war missions where you got your light back and you got to hear all the stories of various famous titans. I think they are loaded with flavor.
Arc: juggernaut
Void: warden
Solar: destroyer
Stasis: tbh i dont even know
Titan Stasis hurts me
With strand the archetype could have been a gladiator, cuz they use nets, which ties in with strand, and that fits in the titan warrior category
instead they got random hand blades lmaooo
As a professional crayon eater I agree with you standpoint and that is also the reason why I main titan.
Who needs to specialize his power given by the light and darkness, when all you need is overwhelm the enemy in front of you.
No cool accessories shaped by your power needed, just raw power in your enemies face.
Man I love Titans
See! someone who understands me lol
Biggest gripe I have is that all the themes that titans get can be performed better by the other classes. The "melee class" having some of the worst melee exotics where warlocks shine better with ophidians, necrotics, sanguine alchemy even. The "protector class" even though well of radiance outperforms bubble in 90% of situations and warlocks are the only class that can get restoration 2, warlocks as a support class outweigh the need of a titan protector. Only buff we have is woven mail, and it's not even exclusive. Or "the tank", when hunters have many exotics that give resistances like renewal grasps or omniocculus where titans have none except icefall mantles ig if you wanna be more immoble than u already are with the new shoudler charge nerf. If there's anything I want most of all, just bc titans are brutes, doesn't mean they can't have ranged attacks.... All we can do is punch in close range with some of the worst melees. And the best melees, are ranged. Same with the best supers, ranged. Make a diamond lance super, or more supers where we throw shit, or... get this... more than a single shutdown super... it's just annoying being so powerless in endgame activities and having to go to warlock or hunter just to extremely excell with insane support or hyper damage. While, yes, titans are definitely viable in GM's, they are nowhere near the best. You slap in a warlock and suddenly the GM is a hero nightfall. Or an invis hunter and the mars GM becomes a free win.
100% AGREE. It's very annoyinh
I wish the Titans embodied this aspect of uncontrolled chaos tempered by the warrior spirit they seem to have. I think they should be the front line warriors with the most destructive elemental abilities. I think Arc 3.0 did a little bit of that with the aspect that enhances their grenades (mainly storm). But I wish they were more like that. I’ve never had more fun playing a Titan that an arc 3.0 HOIL ability chaining monster. That’s the Titan fantasy for me. When someone asks what the blast radius of my abilities is, I want to reply “yes” and kill every red bar there is.
Agreed
Titan are like warriors, the ones who charge straight into battle, the ones who will crush their enemies. Soldiers you just don’t have an imagination you need someone to tell you what it is
Rainbow punching titan sounds like mario on roids
Trenbelone sandwhiches
I want to be a frontline tank, I’m supposed to be resilient, but everyone else can be as resilient as me and still heal their whole team. I agree, Titan is struggling at the minute. Hunters are demolishing damage. I want to be the space knight, the warrior of light.
SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Been playing Titan since D1 day one and I'm sick of Bungie being so boring with Titans and considering just switching to Warlock
@@Primorion I feel that
Titans fantasy is this "the guy who steps on the battlefield and his first words are "I'm here to fuck you up" then process to set the world on fire not caring who he kills in the process" the DOOM guy character. The giant knight who slays gods for fun. The whole point of the Titan is to be an unstoppable killing force. Even in the lore, a Titan went agonist an entire fallen house when part of the wall fell and he killed them all like they're nothing. Hunters are slow, stealthy and precise. Warlocks and the magic archangels that control time and space. Titans are just pure unstoppable forces of death and strength. Just pure unfiltered power.
This dude has to be a titan main.
How could ya tell? lol
Titans are just space bob the builder at this point
"Can we fix it?!" lmaoooo that gave me a good laugh thanks
Titans are supposed to represent strength, in a brutish or bezerker way. You are using your own body or own physical might to fight. Turning your body into a missile to slam into opponents, throwing heavy hammers at high speeds or holding a shield whilst it's being battered by enemy projectiles. If warlock is the use of the light in a raw form, and hunter is weaponising the light, titan is using the light to enhance and augment their strength.
Oh and the comment "protector is so broad", like saying "space mage" isn't broad at all. I don't understand how warlock is any more defined than titan, each subclass not really having a specific identity. Solar you throw swords and shoot fire OR heal your allies. Void you throw bombs OR you roam around exploding. Arc you chain lighting between foes OR just shoot a Lazer beam out of your fist. How is this comparable to the identities of hunter subclasses?
Hmmmm...I see where you're coming from. Follow up video soon
Berserker, Tank, Front Line Soldiers.
AGREED. Feel like that was more evident in-game in D1 tho
Titans only fantasy is a 128 pack of crayola in all one flavor
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I like what’s there for titan, it my main class and I kind of struggle without the self sustainability of playing titan, but I can definitely see what you mean
The nice thing about the 3.0 system though is that now bungo can *theoretically* rectify this without having to massively overhaul anything
the 3.0 system gives me hope for sure
My titan is my Spartan(like in halo). My kratos (in god of war) my captain America(marvel). So I felt really surprised listening what you said.
I feel that and there's nothing wrong with that! I just want the lore to do the work for me so my imagination wont have to lol
Titans are the marines of all the classes. They are first to go in and slam everything. They don’t need a theme.
Hoooorahhhhh
While I know it wouldn't be changed because it's how the subclass was in D1, a spartan sunbreaker themed around being the last vestige of the now dead order would've been fuckin awesome for 3.0. gain an armor of smoldering ashes or sumn idk. Treading onto Kratos territory but that ain't a bad thing.
No matter how much I complain/agree I'll still remain a titan main...if only because I ain't the type of guy that has the time to try out other classes lol.
lol I feel you. Titan main til I die brother
You nailed it, we need viking, heavy armor machine gun, medieval times,
Right on!
I love playing Titan most of the times but sometimes it just really gets to me that Titans are, in the end, rainbow colored fists. There's not much beyond that and it's kinda saddening as a Titan main.
Truly heartbreaking
Solar- paladin
Arc- berserker
Void- the " sword and board" minus the sword
Stasis is the only one lacking imo the hamer is normally a paladin tool sun spots act like consicrated ground spawned from your smite the arc titan chains grownimg melee damage and gaining health from vilance and the void is the noble protector using his light to PREVENT damage from befalling your friends sure the bank hamer as its called seems random but you cant exactly use traditional mmo abilities so the hamer is a good representation of the paladin see world of war craft
Depending on the subclass Titans are either defensive tanks or berserk brawlers they're basically their own weapon
all I need are these hands!
I first started out as a titan main in D1. When I saw the first live action trailer, I saw the titan and thought “this looks like the soldier class from Mass effect”. The reason I went with the titan was because one of the classes I like to play is the soldier class(if it’s available). And boy, I did not get that power fantasy. But I stuck with it through D1 because I like the titan’s armor. But then D2 came and I hated most of titan armor, because it made male titans super bulky. So I switched to a hunter main. Even still, titans don’t have a subclass that gives off the power fantasy of a soldier
Exactly
I agree, but game play wise Warlock's mechanics were given to everyone with the 3.0 subclasses so the other too just feel like warlock's kit ++ from a gameplay stand point
Yeah I agree
Titian is a Spartan, both Greek and UNSC. In D&d Titan is a Paladin That can dish out moderate to high DPS, self heal, tank damage and enhance and defend party members. DPS : (Arc) Falling Star/ Thunder Crash, enhanced grenade aspect Heart of Innermost Light. Self heal/ Tank: (Solar) Any Sunspot/ Loreley Splender. Enhance Teammates & Defend: (Void) Weapons of light 40% weapon buff with Ursa Furiosa, plus Overshield from a barrier that teammates can shoot through. Titian can DPS like a Hunter, but not as well. Can heal like a Warlock, but not teammates. But only a Titan can go into battle to pick up a fallen ally and pop a wall to give that ally cover while respawing.
Warlock Can heal everyone in a battle.
Hunter can turn everyone invisible to get better position in a battle.
I heard 14 minute blasphemy. BE WHAT YOU WANT TO BE! THAT IS THE TITAIN WAY!
looooool forgive me
Clearly this guy ain't a crayon eater
HA Titan main since D1 my favorite flavor crayon is BLUE
I think you hit the nail on the head on the reason why Titans have the lowest player count and it all comes down to that fantasy and fun. Even the Warlock rift plays into the fantasy as it's no different than a ward. Strand could have very easily been the engineer class. It would have fit with the lore that they are the battlefield tacticians. But instead they went with a class called berserker when we already have something that resembles a berserker. And now we miss put on something that could have not only fit with the theme of strand but would have synergies with the other classes as well. We already have woven mail which is like Tech armor they had the foundation to build off of but just seem to lack the inspiration to really get players jazzed about playing Titan. So instead they just overtune our abilities so we can at least be useful. The
Strand Titan could have been the engineer class. Lore wise that still fits with the battle field tactician as well as it easily synergizes with the other strand subclasses. I think of Mass Effect and how unique their engineer class is and how destructive they can be. But
Instead we get Tank/Support/Frontline/but this time you've got multiple dash melees and a painfully uninspired super. People keep saying mini gun but imagine if they leaned into the engineer theme and you could place multiple offensive turrets around. The effect could cause the explosions that tangle other enemies just like they've shown. It was literally laying right infront of them for the taking but they didn't want to effect the Warlocks power fantasy even tho deploying torrets should have always been the Titan Identity not the Warlocks
Man if Titans could have turrets lol shit woiuild be amazing
@@PocketTuna I think of Axton or Moze from Borderlands or even Roland. Games like Overwatch, Mass Effect, and several MOBAs have them and none of them are tied to the mage class. Sure Warlocks get pets but that doesn't mean turrets are in that pet class.
Commander/leader type archetype would be useful here. I think Titan appeals to people who want to be in charge. So something like ‘target designation’ where team mates are encouraged to coordinate their attacks with targets you mark to receive damage bonus.
Also, I think the secondary appeal of Titan is its physique. The power fantasy is to be big, to negate damage, and to throw your weight around (greatswords, shields, hammers, axes, lances, demolitions). Some existing abilities do play into that. Strand Titan’s ‘banner’ aspect for example. Just need to do a bit more with it for the other classes. Missile arc titan is another decent effort, likewise Sentinel, and the hammers with healing from sunspots is nearly there. Behemoth running through crystals to shatter them = body as a weapon too.
Titans should be what they are. They should be bulky, powerful, and brutish. Barbaric but also protectors. Juggernauts and Defenders. They should be the wall that keeps others alive and enemies out. They shouldn’t just be punch go oof. They should be punch go boom. Exploding punches, tanky, higher health, not too agile, armored warriors of death and destruction.
Agreed!!!
Back on D1 in the select class screen i saw the Titan and for me, that was master chief, the space supersoldier, space marine... All the gear was plated armor that you could see a soldier use, then i used the super and i thought... "That's it?" I tried Void and it seemed a little better, then Hammer of Sol... I loved it, but turned my space soldier with anger issues into a sort of Viking blacksmith
I just look at behemoth and think "Beast". I mean there's even armor to look like a minotaur, and there's a banner on one armor that I really like which is a lion. But even if there's no clear identity, I think that's entirely viable as an almost proud humbleness that much of the titan armor even hints to. Lots of "from unknown titan" and other things about going in to do the job and not caring if no one remembers who did it. Just taking that silent glory to the grave.
I can dig it
Bungie: Titans stfu you're a punchy boi
A Titan: My brother in light the strongest melee build right now is on the damn arc hunter
Edit: I wish that the phoenix cradle exotic would be an aspect or a part of the titan subclass so increased the support/protector identity. Imagine creating a path with sunspots for your teammates to go throw and also have their benefits
Phoenix cradle definitely should've been part of the subclass
If they want Titan mains to be enthusiastic, then they should lean into the tank theme much further. Add environment altering effects, for example. The ability to damage the areas where combat occurs-even, when a super is activated, using parts of the stage to wreak havoc. I’d love to channel a super into strength to be able to lift and toss a Spider Tank. Or to be able to use Thundercrash for more than just a single hit. They missed a big opportunity to use the strand theme creatively with the Tank character model. Imagine using a Strand whip that could latch on to a single enemy and could then be used to fling that enemy around like a ball and chain-causing whatever shield they have or enemy type to be used against your enemies. Or being able to combine the strand with the huge burning maul hammer for extended reach with the strand connection acting like a guillotine wire.
100% I like your ideas alot
@@PocketTuna I wish they’d listen to ideas from the player base. We could help make the game far more engaging.
I completely agree with you, they could have given the stasis titans something like a sword and shield of ice, or a massive axe, a claymore, anything... But we got fist of havoc redux, and now we're getting burning maul redux. It's like they put the minimal effort into the titan and it's subclasses
I keep thinking since the departure of D2 that the fact that Titan's super with the burning maul be a two-handed hammer and not a Great War Ax like the ones the Iron Lords used and the ones we used at the end of the Rise of Iron story mode
awwww dude I fuckin wish. Would've fit ALOT better in my opinion
I've been a titan main since destiny 1 alpha, and I've always seen titans as knights and paladins and protectors
We need more knightly abilities tho
Titan's identity is all about being the upfront protection, every subclass mission back in D1 summed up what being a Titan, Warlock, and Hunter is all about, Titans are for the people, a warrior to look up to in times of need, a crusader who's first calling is their gun, shield, hammer, or fist. Saint-14 was a great example of these, couragous, a fighter, a shield, he was a person for the people
In any trailer or scene when have you not seen titan just punch things. Titans are more than punching with a shield or ice fist. How about turning the ice gantlet into a ice war axe
I saw titans as the soldier/ berserk/ brawler/tank class imo
Me too but at times I feel disconnected from it. Soldier class for me loses out to gunslinger. I think it fits it better with buffing weapon damage and reload seed. I see it as a brawler through and through I just want it to be more.
@@PocketTuna I've seen more barbarian as they do wear loin cloths... Would explain the punch mindset...
@@billykann7725 You've officially converted me. Loin cloths FTW!!!!!!!!!
Tbh, Idk why they left the super soldier theme. Some of the D1 armor sets are spartan like armor that fits it so well. In D2, they have leaned to far into the fantasy aspect rather than keeping a balance.
When it comes to subclasses, each Titan one may not have a template to go by like arcstrider is to monk, but they do have an overall theme. Strikers are supposed to be Juggernauts that are first into the fight & are the melee brawlers. Sentinels are the mini-tanks that can hold down the line and tactically dissemble enemy forces. Sunbreakers are supposed to be the legendary vanguard, the strongest solar class (at least according to lore). Behemoth is supposed to be a hybrid of tank & vanguard.
I don't think they need a template to go off, but their roles/abilities should be refined and defined clearer. For example, a tornado that doesn't have any interaction with solar 3.0 effects or aspects/fragments. They should update or finally give us a range, one and done super. Let us fucking chuck that maul!
Titans are most similar to barbarians from dnd. I wouldn’t calm them boxers because their form is horrendous. Imagine how powerful a titan could be if they rotated their core instead of throwing there arms around.
As a fighter I appreciate this comment way more than you know lol
If hammers where an arc subclass. You would have Thor. God of thunder in Norse mythology. Viking themed.
Titan is a fighter...a Paladin, a Bezerker, a Tank, its an Offensive/Defensive Lineman. Nobody wants to tank, because it's not flashy, it's inherently boring, but incredibly important because it gets on the front line and grinds for the team.
You'd think Titan Strand super would have been more like Alex Mercer's critical mass abilities in Prototype. Like a massive Tendril Barrage that shoots out in all directions from your character and obliterates everything while also doing constant tick damage to bosses. Hell! I was even pissed that Behemoth super wasn't a huge Ground Spike or or something. Such missed opportunities! But no, we get stasis Fist of Havoc and Tasmanian Devil -_-
You ever watched Gurren Laggan because this reminds me of Gurren Laggan lol
Imo warlocks and hunters have themes
Titans have an identity they are a destiny thing not anything else
A warlock as an Wizard
A hunter is an assassin
A titan is a TITAN
I feel this
Honestly I don't get the point of forcing space guardians into a theme or archetype. Yeah, cool, they were inspired be shit that exists but I see no reason to limit something by demanding it be like something else. Just seems counter intuitive for creativity.
I see your point
i feel a good way to make titan cooler is give them special weapons rather than just being marketed as their fists.
Warlocks can use Swords and arcane damage or a healer, Arc uses a huge electricity kamehameha or a walking taser monster, or drop a huge Nuke on everyone.
Hunters are the cowboys or knife throwing precision specialist, the hunter trapper void user, and a bo staff electricity martial artist.
i do agree titans need more variation. Sentinal and Sunbreaker are practically their own identity but just reference a broad genre.
Maybe make titans like space marines or Halo spartans.
note they released a viking cosmetic set for the titan, which IS cool.. but doesnt solve the theme of the abilities themselves
Coincidentally enough I’ve been rocking that set non stop I barely take it off lol
instead of going on about how inaccurate a lot of what you said is, I'm going to say thank you. you did manage to make me rethink the whole bloody thing and pick titan back up. I will as a MAJOR strange fan bring your attention to the ancient one in the MCU since you tied Warlock to strange for some reason. By that fantasy/archetype EVERY PC IS A SORCERE.
Titan- the army of one class
Dont we get nerf most of the time? i might be wrong cause i started playing season of the lost
yep lol
Titan at best makes me feel like a Knight or a space marine.
yep
Unfortunately Titans sometimes fit an archetype best by utilizing Certain exotics. Titan Exotics are all over the place filling all kinds of variations.
Take Behemoth for example; It's a fine class and get some good freezing and shattering. It comes into its identity best when you use Hoarfrost and the ice spear aspect. Now the Behemoth creates fortresses of ice and freezes anything that would dare push you and becomes the inevitable force of the Avalanche (with the exception of the Melee ability.... that's not great).
Siege Breaker is the same. A guy who creates Sunspots. But when you use Pheonix Cradle you are now a divine fire paladin that scorches foes and heals and rejuvenates your allies. Make sure your allies are running Time Dilation and Healing well mod.
I love this, wanna help me write my next script? lol
@@PocketTuna I'm flattered really, but I doubt I have what it takes. 😄
That being said, if this is one of those "I really want you to be a part of this" situations, I will give it an honest shot.
Regardless...I appreciate the compliment.
We kinda represent knights and crusaders the ones who charge into battles like during the crusades
Give me a subclass with a sword PLEASE
@@PocketTuna YES i wanna be crusading around like a demon
Sunbreaker is probably the closest titans can get to a tank/paladin fantasy. At least we have hammers instead of fists😅
Favorite Titan subclass for sure!
I tried to make my Titan look like a spartan but it doesn't look like it
I've tried so many times. What armor did you use to get the closest?
,@@PocketTuna I used the helm of Saint 14, iron companion gauntlets, Devastation complex chest plate, Retro-grade TG2 legs, and wing discipline mark. All it looks somewhat like a spartan
Did you know that the invisibility of the Arc Hunters comes from RASPUTIN technology of course when they still had their invisibility in D1
I remember learning that in D1 I forget on what piece of armor it was on tho
I think the best showing of what the classes should be is the law of the jungle trailer
I think about that trailer atleast once a day. I’m glad someone out there on the internet remembers that trailer. I might make that into its own video it must be a sign. Shout out to you for the video idea!! Thanks brother
All of this man! All of this
Thank youuuuuuuuu, follow up soon