QSAC is a temporary stadium they forgot to demolish... on that we agree. Victoria Park must be a rectangular stadium if they build it, which I doubt. We do NOT need another oval. Shield cricket has been played at Alan Border field for many, many years. The Gabba will not hold a test match next year for as long as I can remember. It needs upgrading. There is zero need for another stadium that will host a maximum of 25 games a year across all sports. AFL has a pretty big following at the moment, but just watch that plummet when they are not winning flags.
@@glenmale1748 No need for more big costing rectangle stadiums in Queensland A rectangle stadium can't really host an opening and closing ceremony either. Even though stupid politicians have Land Park down for that very purpose.
@@phillipgould2396 Only one Olympic stadium in the past 100 years has been an oval: Melbourne 1956. All the rest have been rectangular. Cricket is unique to Commonwealth countries and the only other game that requires an oval. Even Gaelic football is played on a rectangular pitch. Really easy to research mate.
They absolutely must go ahead with Victoria Park. Forget the 100-day review. It’s cost what the Queensland public wants and that’s a stadium that won’t be embarrassing at the Olympic stage
None of you people even understand why brisbane got the olympics, very few countries can afford the olympics.. brisbane got the games by keeping budget down and using existing infrastructure and upgrading such infrastructure.
@@chrisschneiders6734 Brisbane got the games because of the close door lobbying by John Coates on top of the IOC's new agenda. Brisbane/SEQ's bid took many liberties with what its "current built venues" actually were and a fictional budget estimate. The budget was mere politics, it was never realistic. Particularly when the Bid went ahead with the aim to build a new main stadium at the trotting track or the Gabba. John Coates or anyone else can crap on as much as they want about budget and sustainable Olympics, but that only really works when key infrastructure is already in place (at least a main stadium and major arenas). Paris had that, and the Olympics still cost nearly $10 billion USD. Los Angeles has the venues already. Sydney has the venues, Melbourne has almost all the venues, even Perth has the key venues, and Adelaide at least already has a main stadium. Brisbane has the least prepared major venue infrastructure out Australia's major cities. It was always going to be found out.
No they don't. The whole reason the current government isn't going ahead with Victoria Park is because the majority of people DON'T WANT IT. The only people who want it are AFL fans and a handful of cricket fans.
qsac will have 1 billion spent for temporary upgrade, that's a lot for a 2 week sports carnival, I am sure that they have said qsac so when they change their to either rebuild gabba or do Victoria park people will then be happy....
People bitched and moaned when proposing Optus Stadium in Perth and also Adelaide Oval about the cost or just not liking the idea. Now they are worldclass stadiums that multiple generations of the public can enjoy and appreciate - both now extremely popular after being built. I reckon, expensive as it may be, just get on with Victoria Park build and give Brisbane a stadium with a longterm legacy. It's already near public transport, and it'll serve the Lions, Cricket, live music, and of course the Olympics for decades to come. Feds might even fund a decent portion of the cost since it's for the Olympics.
@@chrisschneiders6734 Is live music at the Gabba (which is close to another very big hospital) an issue? Plus the Gabba is surrounded by high-rise residential buildings. I'm not sure how sound-proof hospital wards are these days (you'd expect some sound-proofing since both RWBH and Mater are close to noisy and very busy main streets) but you'd expect curfews and other sound dampening requirements would be in place regardless of the stadium location. Just like how Suncorp is used.
australia is going into tough economic times...... queensland government options..... 1. spend money they dont have on a olympic stadium and public transport and leave the state burdened in debt, or avoid debt by significantly increasing queensland taxes..... 2. spend no money and have the worst facilities and public transport in olympic history...... a bad look for all of australia. this brisbane bid is a shambles...!
I'm not in favour of it, but it's likely the LNP will announce (post election) the scrapping of the $14 billion pumped hydro project -it's the only way they can pay for a stadium and all their other policies without going into debt or hiking taxes.
People always look at the costs and not the income generated from hosting the games. Yes, it is hard to come out in front financially, but any debt will be small the way the "new Norm" is in staging the games. Brisbane is the first city operating under the "new norm". Then you have economic benefits to tourism and other things not counted.
@@phillipgould2396 i clearly understand tthis. you are correct..... ALSO.... Australias reputation is also on the line..... brisbane will be compoared to paris and los angels...... after the games..... i can imagine hearing,....... the venues were cheap and small.... also.... the public transport was VERY POOR..... brisbane is nothing special.... and (non games related) reinforcement of austrakia is extremely expensive.....!
@@phillipgould2396 if Australia was the host the games.... they should have hosted in sydney or melbourne..... all of the infrastructure is in place and a games in either of those cities would more likely ENHANCE australias reputation.
Its a no-brainer seriously. They need to go ahead with the Victoria Park proposal, so many excuses to do it if there were any doubts... Olympics for literal purposes and reputational purposes. The world need to see an impressive stage. Moreover, the future of the Lions and their increasing following up there. If that wasn't enough ... both international and domestic cricket.
The government are so greedy. The pure reason why they won’t do it is because they won’t own it. Them not owning it means they don’t get profits. The whole point of an olympics is to bring people from all of the world to come experience your city. Our government seems like they would rather supply a lacklustre olympics with outdated venues etc instead of actually providing the tourists and fans with an enjoyable experience. The only thing I can understand with not doing it was them maybe going above estimated costs and going broke sorta like the whole star situation but wow our government really don’t care for us.
@@lsfdesigns9060 I think it has more to do with IOC rules -they insist the stadium has to be host-country owned rather than in private hands. Not sure why; probably easier to enforce marketing rights and rules (think exclusion zones for branding around the stadium.) Might also have to do with perceived conflict of interest: the IOC wants to avoid being 'bought' by private corporations. I personally don't mind if the Government owns the stadium -they don't have a profit-driven shareholder requirement, so price gouging can be controlled. Plus future revenue goes a long way to help pay down upfront construction costs, which will soften the public's reaction to the $3 billion price tag. If it helps, other venues that will be repurposed for the Olympics (like Brisbane Live) are public-private owned. I wouldn't be surprised if other buildings (like the media centre proposed for the glass-recycling factory on Montague St) gets sold post-Olympics as well.
The current plan is Suncorp Stadium as the main stadium, and QE2 hosting the athletics. Which on its own, is actually reasonably logical. However, the issue is that The Gabba will need a rebuild / replacement either way regardless by 2032. And doing it for the Olympics makes the most sense.
The logics of a QE2/ Suncorp decision fall apart pretty quickly when you examine it closer. $1.6 billion for a temporary QE2 stadium isn't leaving legacy infrastructure. Plus the costing for public transport development for QE2 hasn't been included. Depending on what will be proposed, it's an expensive exercise to move around 40k people. Especially when the city centre is so far away. Suncorp upgrade sort of makes sense, until you realise that it's got the same construction issues as the Gabba. A confined site that's locked in by major inner-city arterial roads. There was a huge costing margin of error associated with the Gabba redevelopment plan -in no part due to construction logistics challenges. Budget blowout is likely due to the need for temporary works (i.e. keeping lanes of traffic open during construction), lack of onsite storage (e.g. craning in girders & trusses from offsite at the dead of night when traffic is minimal) and the impact on local businesses (reduced commerce.) Suncorp is likely to be more expensive than originally estimated. It's highly unlikely the "cheap" option of using Suncorp/ QE2 will end up that much cheaper than a new stadium.
Temporarily renovating Ballsac stadium ay t a cost of $1.6B for a 14 day event equates to over $42, 857, 000 in cost for every single day of the event. So even if the Victoria park option blows out to $4.5B, the daily cost of the stadium will be approx $49, 000 per day based on a 25 year span before anything major will need to be done. Given that the final cost will be closer to $4B, this brings ther daily cost down by an even smaller amount. The stadium will pay for itself long before that when you take into account, the olympic ticket sales (which will be ridiculously high) AFL and Crickect ticket sales. Not to mention concerts and special events (possibilty of attracting large UFC or wrestling events to Brisbane. Fiscaly its a no brainer The added bonus is that by building it, we will avoid the international embarressment that the current plan is, that if let to run its course, will damage our international tourism reputation for years to come I do actual think Ballsac does need a minor upgrade to improve things like facilities and disability access etc. if it receives this, itd be a good place for training in the weeks leading up to the olympics
Having crappy rectangular Suncorp as Olympic Stadium would be an embarrassment to all of Australia. Is it too late to reallocate the Olympics to Perth?
Yeah if there was a new stadium I want it to be like Optus or mcg where there is a lot of space around the stadium, cause in some areas the gabba is over the road.
As much as I'm nostalgic about the Gabba, I think the right decision is to build a 60k capacity stadium at Victoria Park. The fact of having a railway line already in place and a busway already operational makes it very appealing. I would love to see a new train station built and a loop service that goes Central> Roma Street> Stadium> Exhibition> Bowen Hills> Fortitude Valley> Central. It's also close to the Valley and could be made walkable with a purpose built path, same with Spring Hill which could revitalise that part of town. It has the wow factor for external shots on TV with the city to the South. Brisbane also needs a music venue for large scale concerts, although Suncorp can handle them to a certain level. Being right next to the hospital could be a concern in that regard. Most shows have a strict curfew anyway now, but Soundwave still copped fines during soundchecks at the RNA. I can't really see a better location, especially in terms of public transport.
Even without a brand new bespoke train station for the stadium, there's still a pedestrian walkway/ bikepath linking the Ekka to Victoria Park. It goes under Bowen Bridge Rd, so you don't have to cross any streets either. Widen that that and you've got purpose built pathway, and access to an existing train station at Exhibition.
@@farmerooni A lot of people have mentioned this but it won't handle the crowds even when widened especially leaving the ground after the event. Also people look at the closest point of Victoria Park to Exhibition Station and think it is not all that far. But the stadium is most likely positioned the town side of Yorks Hollow and Ibis Island, past the very end of Gilchrist Avenue. That is a fair walk from Exhibition Station. A new train station very close or even part of the existing pedestrian/cycle overpass connecting Gregory Terrace. A bit costly but worth it as the station can also service the people in homes and units along Gregory terrace. Also not far to walk to Brisbane Grammer and Brisbane Girls Grammer.
The only reason they'd push through for the Mt Gravatt stadium is corruption, plain and simple. The Gabba is getting outdated and you need an oval stadium for a running track, what's the point of building a temporary Olympic stadium and then a permanent oval stadium 5 years later other than a backroom deal with a construction company?
Yes you defiantly need an oval stadium to host athletics. A 100-meter track just does not fit into a rectangle stadium. We could be different and have them start in a tunnel😀
Lang Park has a decent crowd capacity (52,500) for opening/closing ceremonies, but it is a rectangle oval. You need an oval stadium to accommodate the athlete numbers for the Olympics. Also need additional space to put on a decent opening/closing ceremony shows. The Labor plan is to spend $500 million on Lang Park to further increase capacity (not needed unless you are a NRL fan) along with some modern improvements. Still can't avoid the fact it is too small an area compared to an oval ground. Not much space outside either for athletes to gather and march into the stadium. Then somehow you need to strip everything down quickly then put it up again for closing ceremony in order to host a lot of footy games in-between. A disaster waiting to happen.
i'm sure they could make something very classy with the temporary stands. It would end up being impressive and wouldn't waste as much money. However, I can see that there is a bigger picture with footy and cricket needs. That's the issue as I see it.
queensland...... build the stadium and be broke.....! what about transport for the olympics...? public transport is a joke in brisbane..... where is the money going to come from to improve transport....? this olymics is shaping up to be a embarrassment for all of australia.
Brisbane could certainly do with a new oval stadium for AFL, big time cricket and the Olympics. But regarding AFL there is only one team playing in Brisbane with 11 home games (same as Sydney and the SCG but the grounds in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth have many more games) Maybe a new bigger ground requires more usage. Remember AFL is the big money maker of the various users
You are correct regarding usage. A new purpose-built Stadium will not only be better for AFL and Cricket but will be able to hold large concerts more easily. Capacity for a new stadium should be 60k or slightly over similar to Optus in Perth. You can't even get an Ambulance onto the Gabba ground unlike modern stadiums where big machinery can access the ground to set up concerts quickly. Also a drop in cricket pitch would be the go as these machines are big and very long. GCC members will be against this but just about everyone else has drop in pitches
Personally it shouldn't be that hard of a proposal. Brisbane is going to host the Olympics and will need to renovate their prime stadium before that so when looking at it Brisbane should lobby the afl to put money up like they did for the msg Queensland cricket and cricket Australia have a vested interest to get the gabba bigger and the state government would equally have a need for it to be a show case stadium for international prestige. So that's 5 bodies with intrest in renovations to the stadium in sure the pie doesn't look so big when broken up like that
If only that was a feasible option. Even the Labor government scrapped that idea as soon as they looked into the options post-bid win. As per the Quirk report; the issues Brisbane is facing is (a) the costs to keep the Gabba operating until 2032 will be around $400 to $500 million. It's an aging stadium, not fit for purpose and reaching it's end-of-usable-lifespan. (b) the original Gabba upgrade plan (made as part of the Olympics bid) was based on what amounted to a back-of-the-envelope costing. (c) The full costing carried out post-win was found to be over $1 billion, and that was just to bring the stadium up to code. It would cost much more to add extra seating and bring the seating capacity over 37k. (d) For the amount of money required, you're better off either demolishing/ rebuilding the Gabba, or selecting a different location for a new stadium. (e) Demolishing/ rebuilding the Gabba will likely cost around $3 billion (plus other costs, like relocating AFL & cricket, not to mention loss in commerce to surrounding businesses impacted by an inner-city construction site.) I agree with your sentiment -the whole reason most of the population was behind the Brisbane bid was that we could re-use existing stadiums. This turned out to be a lie.
Just do a swap with the Gabba and the qsac, build a brand new stadium at the qsac, plenty of room for rail and bus infrastructure to clear out the stadium after an event, parking as well, the Gabba can be down graded and turning into a 15 000 athletics arena, Victoria park is too small for all those transport infrastructures which are needed for a large stadium
The main stadium should stay closeish to the cbd I feel. Would be much better atmosphere and venues to eat and drink if there was a new stadium within 5km or so of the cbd
Swap with QSAC??? Are you kidding??? You might as well argue for a swap with Boondall: at least you're left with just the one white-elephant that everyone hates. QSAC is a terrible location: there's no public transport for starters. So any spending to address this is going to be much higher than any other site. And it's 20 minutes out of the city. All trains lead to the city: imagine catching a train in only to change stations/ change to bus and spend ANOTHER 20 minutes getting to the venue. You obviously don't know Victoria Park that well: it's got a train line on it's southern side (ideal for adding a new station), and it'll be one stop from Roma St and two stops from Fortitude Valley. AND THEN you've got the metro line on the western side. There's even two existing metro stops in place right now: you don't even have to build any extra. These too are one stop from Roma Street.... There's no better location in Brisbane for your transport infrastructure solution.
@@farmerooni ok sore I wasn’t aware it had a rail line going through there, still u need a large train station, same like the Optus stadium model, would it fit in the area? Plus a bus terminal and parking if u wanted
@@michaelkuzmic3167 You could easily fit a train station on the site. But the best location is on the southern edge, just south of the train lines. You just need a land bridge over the inner city bypass (and train lines) to create access from station to the stadium, and in the process the land bridge will link Victoria Park to Gregory Tce park. So effectively you will make the one super park (by linking the 2 existing parks) and adding more public space (by covering the roads and train lines.) Busses won't be a problem: that's what the existing Brisbane Metro line is: an off-street busway that only long bendy busses (i.e. the Metro 'trackless tram') can use.
Adrian Schrinner, the Mayor of Brisbane, has been the biggest opponent of a stadium at Vic Park and one of the main reasons the plan hasn't succeeded so far 🤷
Yeah and I'm wondering how much of that is politics? Liberal mayor clashing with Labor State Government: remember when Schrinner withdrew from the olympic planning committee after Labor's plan for a temporary stadium at the Exhibition grounds? There didn't seem to be much co-operation between the two levels of government back then, I'm sure it's been a wedge issue ever since. Time will tell, but you'd expect a Liberal council/ LNP state government to be more co-operative.
Why should Brisbane build a multi billion dollar oval when rectangular stadiums are the most visited in QLD? It’s like the Melbourne Storm demanding a 50k seat, $3b stadium.
Because it's also for the Olympics: you kinda need an oval field for that. Right now, we're planning on spending $1.6 billion on a venue way outside the city, to seat 40k people (the smallest Olympic track and field stadium since 1928) and it's all temporary -you get no post-Olympics legacy infrastructure. PLUS there's been no discussions about transport: none of the costings have included public transport solutions to QSAC. And considering there isn't anything now, that $1.6 billion cost is going to blow out. That's a huge waste of money for something never to be used again. I've argued this before: if you want a 50k stadium for your rectangular field games, you can get it!! Sydney's 2000 stadium at Homebush has configurable sideline stands. They get pushed out to become sideline seating for rectangular playing fields. They played both Rugby, NRL and Cricket at the stadium leading up to the Olympics. Just look at what Homebush stadium is used for now: NRL and state-of-origin games. This is achievable for Brisbane
The Melbourne storm is not demanding a new stadium, and they had an average home crowd of 22,155. Capacity is 30,000. Melbourne is also not getting the Olympics. They did in 1956 and the result was the MCG. The Broncos by far the biggest crown pullers in the NRL had an average of 39,872 with only 1, possibly 2 sellouts. Suncorp capacity 52,500 They also get to play the Dolphins at Suncorp, Brisbane's 2nd team to boost numbers The Lions had 9 sell out games in 2024. Their average home crowd being 31,216. Capacity of the Gabba is now only 36,600. Average crowd in 2024 for Dolphins was 21,626 which includes sell out Broncos game at Suncorp, Titans 18,067, Cowboys 19,281. No need to put more money into rectangle fields in SEQ or NQ. Then of course cricket is played at the Gabba and they have now lost test matches because of capacity numbers and not great facilities. The Gabba is not up to modern code. Any improvements mean they have to comply with modern standards. It will take over $1 billion to bring it up to code with no increased capacity should they go full renovations. So that's a waste of money. They are going to put $500 million into the Gabba so they can keep the Gabba open for T20 cricket to be played at the Gabba for the Olympics Also, this will allow AFL & cricket to still play in Brisbane until the Olympics are over.
@@B-tr9kzyou’ve got no clue. Lions membership will rise to 80k next year and afl in QLD has overtaken leagues participation, even more so in SEQ. Gabba doesn’t comply with safety code and will need knocking down in 10-15 years anyway
So a 35 year old stadium built out of concrete has seen its days..good luck with your new highrise unit. How many people go thru the gates at suncorp stadium.. blah blah blah.
Ok, Fitzroy'Lions won the GF. They are not a Qld team... only 11 of the 45 Brisbane squad are from Qld. They are a pretend team of imported players just like the Melbourne Storm and Auckland Warriors in the NFL are imported teams of Sydney and Brisbane players. That does not warrant a new oval stadium for a rugby/rugby league-obsessed state. The Gabba is used only 13 times a year for the Lions and only once for test cricket matches and even that won't happen in 2025/26. There are a few ODI's scheduled for the next year but even then it is utterly underused. An upgrade is truly needed... but a new oval stadium? Totally out of the question. Besides, most of the BL fans will jump off the bandwagon mid-season next year. That is a 100% guarantee.
Starting off with a glaring error ain't a good start. The Brisbane Lions are not merely the Fitzroy Lions. The Brisbane Lions are the Brisbane Bears, who in agreement with the AFL, had the AFL effectively confiscate the Fitzroy Lions AFL license and branding to wear as a skin, in exchange for the Bears request for 8 players from the Fitzroy list. Thus freeing up a licence position for Port Adelaide back when the league wanted to stay at 16 clubs. Fitzroy Lions FC still exists, playing in local Melbourne competition. The Brisbane Lions aren't too different from the NRL's future Western Bears, where North Sydney will continue to exist outside the NRL, but the Bears branding will be in the NRL under different ownership and management, with North Sydney not even in the board.
You’re having a laugh, the Brisbane lions have 65000 members now, Gabba was sold out the majority of the year.. sooner or later the Gabba needs a solution. For the Olympics, Cricket and the growing AFL in Queensland.
What the hell are you talking about.??? The lions get more crowd than the bronco’s most weeks these days. Im a rugby league fan and I can admit AFL is strong in Queensland. I went to a few games this year and the atmosphere is more electric then NRL. Brisbane needs a new stadium Aussie Rules is only going to get bigger. Trust me
They need to go ahead with Victoria Park. Both for the Lions AND for the Olympics, rather than using that antiquated joke that is QSAC
QSAC is a temporary stadium they forgot to demolish... on that we agree.
Victoria Park must be a rectangular stadium if they build it, which I doubt.
We do NOT need another oval. Shield cricket has been played at Alan Border field for many, many years. The Gabba will not hold a test match next year for as long as I can remember. It needs upgrading. There is zero need for another stadium that will host a maximum of 25 games a year across all sports.
AFL has a pretty big following at the moment, but just watch that plummet when they are not winning flags.
@@glenmale1748 No need for more big costing rectangle stadiums in Queensland
A rectangle stadium can't really host an opening and closing ceremony either.
Even though stupid politicians have Land Park down for that very purpose.
@@phillipgould2396 Only one Olympic stadium in the past 100 years has been an oval: Melbourne 1956.
All the rest have been rectangular.
Cricket is unique to Commonwealth countries and the only other game that requires an oval. Even Gaelic football is played on a rectangular pitch.
Really easy to research mate.
They absolutely must go ahead with Victoria Park. Forget the 100-day review. It’s cost what the Queensland public wants and that’s a stadium that won’t be embarrassing at the Olympic stage
None of you people even understand why brisbane got the olympics, very few countries can afford the olympics.. brisbane got the games by keeping budget down and using existing infrastructure and upgrading such infrastructure.
@@chrisschneiders6734 I’m just telling you what the Queensland public wants
@@chrisschneiders6734 Brisbane got the games because of the close door lobbying by John Coates on top of the IOC's new agenda.
Brisbane/SEQ's bid took many liberties with what its "current built venues" actually were and a fictional budget estimate.
The budget was mere politics, it was never realistic. Particularly when the Bid went ahead with the aim to build a new main stadium at the trotting track or the Gabba.
John Coates or anyone else can crap on as much as they want about budget and sustainable Olympics, but that only really works when key infrastructure is already in place (at least a main stadium and major arenas). Paris had that, and the Olympics still cost nearly $10 billion USD.
Los Angeles has the venues already.
Sydney has the venues, Melbourne has almost all the venues, even Perth has the key venues, and Adelaide at least already has a main stadium. Brisbane has the least prepared major venue infrastructure out Australia's major cities. It was always going to be found out.
No they don't. The whole reason the current government isn't going ahead with Victoria Park is because the majority of people DON'T WANT IT. The only people who want it are AFL fans and a handful of cricket fans.
qsac will have 1 billion spent for temporary upgrade, that's a lot for a 2 week sports carnival, I am sure that they have said qsac so when they change their to either rebuild gabba or do Victoria park people will then be happy....
People bitched and moaned when proposing Optus Stadium in Perth and also Adelaide Oval about the cost or just not liking the idea. Now they are worldclass stadiums that multiple generations of the public can enjoy and appreciate - both now extremely popular after being built.
I reckon, expensive as it may be, just get on with Victoria Park build and give Brisbane a stadium with a longterm legacy. It's already near public transport, and it'll serve the Lions, Cricket, live music, and of course the Olympics for decades to come. Feds might even fund a decent portion of the cost since it's for the Olympics.
Really, live music next to a very big hospital. That blows that idea out of water.
So glad Optus stadium was built, it’s so beautiful
@@chrisschneiders6734 Are people in hospital not allowed to listen to music? That's not very inclusive of you
@@chrisschneiders6734 Is live music at the Gabba (which is close to another very big hospital) an issue? Plus the Gabba is surrounded by high-rise residential buildings.
I'm not sure how sound-proof hospital wards are these days (you'd expect some sound-proofing since both RWBH and Mater are close to noisy and very busy main streets) but you'd expect curfews and other sound dampening requirements would be in place regardless of the stadium location. Just like how Suncorp is used.
Things only get more expensive. The time is now.
australia is going into tough economic times......
queensland government options.....
1.
spend money they dont have on a olympic stadium and public transport and leave the state burdened in debt, or avoid debt by significantly increasing queensland taxes.....
2.
spend no money and have the worst facilities and public transport in olympic history......
a bad look for all of australia.
this brisbane bid is a shambles...!
I'm not in favour of it, but it's likely the LNP will announce (post election) the scrapping of the $14 billion pumped hydro project -it's the only way they can pay for a stadium and all their other policies without going into debt or hiking taxes.
People always look at the costs and not the income generated from hosting the games.
Yes, it is hard to come out in front financially, but any debt will be small the way the "new Norm" is in staging the games. Brisbane is the first city operating under the "new norm". Then you have economic benefits to tourism and other things not counted.
@@phillipgould2396 i clearly understand tthis. you are correct.....
ALSO.... Australias reputation is also on the line..... brisbane will be compoared to paris and los angels......
after the games..... i can imagine hearing,.......
the venues were cheap and small....
also.... the public transport was VERY POOR..... brisbane is nothing special....
and (non games related) reinforcement of austrakia is extremely expensive.....!
@@phillipgould2396 if Australia was the host the games.... they should have hosted in sydney or melbourne.....
all of the infrastructure is in place and a games in either of those cities would more likely ENHANCE australias reputation.
Its a no-brainer seriously. They need to go ahead with the Victoria Park proposal, so many excuses to do it if there were any doubts... Olympics for literal purposes and reputational purposes. The world need to see an impressive stage. Moreover, the future of the Lions and their increasing following up there. If that wasn't enough ... both international and domestic cricket.
The government are so greedy. The pure reason why they won’t do it is because they won’t own it. Them not owning it means they don’t get profits. The whole point of an olympics is to bring people from all of the world to come experience your city. Our government seems like they would rather supply a lacklustre olympics with outdated venues etc instead of actually providing the tourists and fans with an enjoyable experience. The only thing I can understand with not doing it was them maybe going above estimated costs and going broke sorta like the whole star situation but wow our government really don’t care for us.
@@lsfdesigns9060 I think it has more to do with IOC rules -they insist the stadium has to be host-country owned rather than in private hands. Not sure why; probably easier to enforce marketing rights and rules (think exclusion zones for branding around the stadium.) Might also have to do with perceived conflict of interest: the IOC wants to avoid being 'bought' by private corporations.
I personally don't mind if the Government owns the stadium -they don't have a profit-driven shareholder requirement, so price gouging can be controlled. Plus future revenue goes a long way to help pay down upfront construction costs, which will soften the public's reaction to the $3 billion price tag.
If it helps, other venues that will be repurposed for the Olympics (like Brisbane Live) are public-private owned.
I wouldn't be surprised if other buildings (like the media centre proposed for the glass-recycling factory on Montague St) gets sold post-Olympics as well.
You don't care about the Olympics, you just want the AFL to be gifted a $3 billion dollar stadium.
@@lsfdesigns9060 I dont think its because they are gready. Its because Steven Miles has the spine of a jellyfish.
@@B-tr9kz It'll gift CA a stadium too, no??
The current plan is Suncorp Stadium as the main stadium, and QE2 hosting the athletics. Which on its own, is actually reasonably logical. However, the issue is that The Gabba will need a rebuild / replacement either way regardless by 2032. And doing it for the Olympics makes the most sense.
The logics of a QE2/ Suncorp decision fall apart pretty quickly when you examine it closer.
$1.6 billion for a temporary QE2 stadium isn't leaving legacy infrastructure. Plus the costing for public transport development for QE2 hasn't been included. Depending on what will be proposed, it's an expensive exercise to move around 40k people. Especially when the city centre is so far away.
Suncorp upgrade sort of makes sense, until you realise that it's got the same construction issues as the Gabba. A confined site that's locked in by major inner-city arterial roads. There was a huge costing margin of error associated with the Gabba redevelopment plan -in no part due to construction logistics challenges. Budget blowout is likely due to the need for temporary works (i.e. keeping lanes of traffic open during construction), lack of onsite storage (e.g. craning in girders & trusses from offsite at the dead of night when traffic is minimal) and the impact on local businesses (reduced commerce.) Suncorp is likely to be more expensive than originally estimated.
It's highly unlikely the "cheap" option of using Suncorp/ QE2 will end up that much cheaper than a new stadium.
Temporarily renovating Ballsac stadium ay t a cost of $1.6B for a 14 day event equates to over $42, 857, 000 in cost for every single day of the event. So even if the Victoria park option blows out to $4.5B, the daily cost of the stadium will be approx $49, 000 per day based on a 25 year span before anything major will need to be done. Given that the final cost will be closer to $4B, this brings ther daily cost down by an even smaller amount.
The stadium will pay for itself long before that when you take into account, the olympic ticket sales (which will be ridiculously high) AFL and Crickect ticket sales. Not to mention concerts and special events (possibilty of attracting large UFC or wrestling events to Brisbane. Fiscaly its a no brainer The added bonus is that by building it, we will avoid the international embarressment that the current plan is, that if let to run its course, will damage our international tourism reputation for years to come
I do actual think Ballsac does need a minor upgrade to improve things like facilities and disability access etc. if it receives this, itd be a good place for training in the weeks leading up to the olympics
Having crappy rectangular Suncorp as Olympic Stadium would be an embarrassment to all of Australia. Is it too late to reallocate the Olympics to Perth?
Yeah if there was a new stadium I want it to be like Optus or mcg where there is a lot of space around the stadium, cause in some areas the gabba is over the road.
As much as I'm nostalgic about the Gabba, I think the right decision is to build a 60k capacity stadium at Victoria Park.
The fact of having a railway line already in place and a busway already operational makes it very appealing.
I would love to see a new train station built and a loop service that goes Central> Roma Street> Stadium> Exhibition> Bowen Hills> Fortitude Valley> Central.
It's also close to the Valley and could be made walkable with a purpose built path, same with Spring Hill which could revitalise that part of town.
It has the wow factor for external shots on TV with the city to the South.
Brisbane also needs a music venue for large scale concerts, although Suncorp can handle them to a certain level.
Being right next to the hospital could be a concern in that regard. Most shows have a strict curfew anyway now, but Soundwave still copped fines during soundchecks at the RNA.
I can't really see a better location, especially in terms of public transport.
Even without a brand new bespoke train station for the stadium, there's still a pedestrian walkway/ bikepath linking the Ekka to Victoria Park. It goes under Bowen Bridge Rd, so you don't have to cross any streets either.
Widen that that and you've got purpose built pathway, and access to an existing train station at Exhibition.
@@farmerooni A lot of people have mentioned this but it won't handle the crowds even when widened especially leaving the ground after the event.
Also people look at the closest point of Victoria Park to Exhibition Station and think it is not all that far. But the stadium is most likely positioned the town side of Yorks Hollow and Ibis Island, past the very end of Gilchrist Avenue. That is a fair walk from Exhibition Station.
A new train station very close or even part of the existing pedestrian/cycle overpass connecting Gregory Terrace. A bit costly but worth it as the station can also service the people in homes and units along Gregory terrace.
Also not far to walk to Brisbane Grammer and Brisbane Girls Grammer.
Permanent New stadium is a must
The only reason they'd push through for the Mt Gravatt stadium is corruption, plain and simple. The Gabba is getting outdated and you need an oval stadium for a running track, what's the point of building a temporary Olympic stadium and then a permanent oval stadium 5 years later other than a backroom deal with a construction company?
Yes you defiantly need an oval stadium to host athletics. A 100-meter track just does not fit into a rectangle stadium.
We could be different and have them start in a tunnel😀
Lang Park has a decent crowd capacity (52,500) for opening/closing ceremonies, but it is a rectangle oval. You need an oval stadium to accommodate the athlete numbers for the Olympics. Also need additional space to put on a decent opening/closing ceremony shows. The Labor plan is to spend $500 million on Lang Park to further increase capacity (not needed unless you are a NRL fan) along with some modern improvements. Still can't avoid the fact it is too small an area compared to an oval ground. Not much space outside either for athletes to gather and march into the stadium. Then somehow you need to strip everything down quickly then put it up again for closing ceremony in order to host a lot of footy games in-between. A disaster waiting to happen.
i'm sure they could make something very classy with the temporary stands. It would end up being impressive and wouldn't waste as much money. However, I can see that there is a bigger picture with footy and cricket needs. That's the issue as I see it.
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build the stadium and be broke.....!
what about transport for the olympics...?
public transport is a joke in brisbane.....
where is the money going to come from to improve transport....?
this olymics is shaping up to be a embarrassment for all of australia.
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and hopefully they build this stadium since the plan for the brisbane olympics is looking kinda shit
Good luck also if its private money as youll only pay two to 3 times as much for each outing.
Brisbane could certainly do with a new oval stadium for AFL, big time cricket and the Olympics.
But regarding AFL there is only one team playing in Brisbane with 11 home games (same as Sydney and the SCG but the grounds in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth have many more games) Maybe a new bigger ground requires more usage.
Remember AFL is the big money maker of the various users
Maybe Brisbane should look at building a 60000 seat capacity stadium for the Olympics but its legacy mode reducted to 45-50000.
Second gather round held in Brisbane haha
You are correct regarding usage. A new purpose-built Stadium will not only be better for AFL and Cricket but will be able to hold large concerts more easily. Capacity for a new stadium should be 60k or slightly over similar to Optus in Perth.
You can't even get an Ambulance onto the Gabba ground unlike modern stadiums where big machinery can access the ground to set up concerts quickly. Also a drop in cricket pitch would be the go as these machines are big and very long. GCC members will be against this but just about everyone else has drop in pitches
Personally it shouldn't be that hard of a proposal. Brisbane is going to host the Olympics and will need to renovate their prime stadium before that so when looking at it Brisbane should lobby the afl to put money up like they did for the msg Queensland cricket and cricket Australia have a vested interest to get the gabba bigger and the state government would equally have a need for it to be a show case stadium for international prestige. So that's 5 bodies with intrest in renovations to the stadium in sure the pie doesn't look so big when broken up like that
I reckoned Brisbane build a new stadium kind of like Sydney did perhaps build a 70000 to 80000 and after the games bring it down to 60000
No way should they spend $3 billion on a stadium, waste of money. Just upgrade the Gabba.
If only that was a feasible option. Even the Labor government scrapped that idea as soon as they looked into the options post-bid win.
As per the Quirk report; the issues Brisbane is facing is
(a) the costs to keep the Gabba operating until 2032 will be around $400 to $500 million. It's an aging stadium, not fit for purpose and reaching it's end-of-usable-lifespan.
(b) the original Gabba upgrade plan (made as part of the Olympics bid) was based on what amounted to a back-of-the-envelope costing.
(c) The full costing carried out post-win was found to be over $1 billion, and that was just to bring the stadium up to code. It would cost much more to add extra seating and bring the seating capacity over 37k.
(d) For the amount of money required, you're better off either demolishing/ rebuilding the Gabba, or selecting a different location for a new stadium.
(e) Demolishing/ rebuilding the Gabba will likely cost around $3 billion (plus other costs, like relocating AFL & cricket, not to mention loss in commerce to surrounding businesses impacted by an inner-city construction site.)
I agree with your sentiment -the whole reason most of the population was behind the Brisbane bid was that we could re-use existing stadiums. This turned out to be a lie.
Half of the Gabba hangs over the road right now. They can't rebuild it any bigger because the busy road right next to it will be gone.
Just do a swap with the Gabba and the qsac, build a brand new stadium at the qsac, plenty of room for rail and bus infrastructure to clear out the stadium after an event, parking as well, the Gabba can be down graded and turning into a 15 000 athletics arena, Victoria park is too small for all those transport infrastructures which are needed for a large stadium
The main stadium should stay closeish to the cbd I feel. Would be much better atmosphere and venues to eat and drink if there was a new stadium within 5km or so of the cbd
Swap with QSAC??? Are you kidding??? You might as well argue for a swap with Boondall: at least you're left with just the one white-elephant that everyone hates.
QSAC is a terrible location: there's no public transport for starters. So any spending to address this is going to be much higher than any other site. And it's 20 minutes out of the city. All trains lead to the city: imagine catching a train in only to change stations/ change to bus and spend ANOTHER 20 minutes getting to the venue.
You obviously don't know Victoria Park that well: it's got a train line on it's southern side (ideal for adding a new station), and it'll be one stop from Roma St and two stops from Fortitude Valley.
AND THEN you've got the metro line on the western side. There's even two existing metro stops in place right now: you don't even have to build any extra. These too are one stop from Roma Street....
There's no better location in Brisbane for your transport infrastructure solution.
@@farmerooni ok sore I wasn’t aware it had a rail line going through there, still u need a large train station, same like the Optus stadium model, would it fit in the area? Plus a bus terminal and parking if u wanted
@@michaelkuzmic3167 You could easily fit a train station on the site. But the best location is on the southern edge, just south of the train lines. You just need a land bridge over the inner city bypass (and train lines) to create access from station to the stadium, and in the process the land bridge will link Victoria Park to Gregory Tce park.
So effectively you will make the one super park (by linking the 2 existing parks) and adding more public space (by covering the roads and train lines.)
Busses won't be a problem: that's what the existing Brisbane Metro line is: an off-street busway that only long bendy busses (i.e. the Metro 'trackless tram') can use.
No brainer...give them the one in Melbourne...
Victoria park will be amazing!!!! The Qsac optiion is a joke and will be embarrassing
Adrian Schrinner, the Mayor of Brisbane, has been the biggest opponent of a stadium at Vic Park and one of the main reasons the plan hasn't succeeded so far 🤷
Yeah and I'm wondering how much of that is politics? Liberal mayor clashing with Labor State Government: remember when Schrinner withdrew from the olympic planning committee after Labor's plan for a temporary stadium at the Exhibition grounds? There didn't seem to be much co-operation between the two levels of government back then, I'm sure it's been a wedge issue ever since.
Time will tell, but you'd expect a Liberal council/ LNP state government to be more co-operative.
He recently got reelected and has thrown his full support behind a new stadium at Victoria Park
Just keep The Gabba the same.
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Why should Brisbane build a multi billion dollar oval when rectangular stadiums are the most visited in QLD? It’s like the Melbourne Storm demanding a 50k seat, $3b stadium.
Because it's also for the Olympics: you kinda need an oval field for that.
Right now, we're planning on spending $1.6 billion on a venue way outside the city, to seat 40k people (the smallest Olympic track and field stadium since 1928) and it's all temporary -you get no post-Olympics legacy infrastructure.
PLUS there's been no discussions about transport: none of the costings have included public transport solutions to QSAC. And considering there isn't anything now, that $1.6 billion cost is going to blow out. That's a huge waste of money for something never to be used again.
I've argued this before: if you want a 50k stadium for your rectangular field games, you can get it!!
Sydney's 2000 stadium at Homebush has configurable sideline stands. They get pushed out to become sideline seating for rectangular playing fields. They played both Rugby, NRL and Cricket at the stadium leading up to the Olympics. Just look at what Homebush stadium is used for now: NRL and state-of-origin games.
This is achievable for Brisbane
The Melbourne storm is not demanding a new stadium, and they had an average home crowd of 22,155. Capacity is 30,000.
Melbourne is also not getting the Olympics. They did in 1956 and the result was the MCG.
The Broncos by far the biggest crown pullers in the NRL had an average of 39,872 with only 1, possibly 2 sellouts. Suncorp capacity 52,500
They also get to play the Dolphins at Suncorp, Brisbane's 2nd team to boost numbers
The Lions had 9 sell out games in 2024. Their average home crowd being 31,216. Capacity of the Gabba is now only 36,600.
Average crowd in 2024 for Dolphins was 21,626 which includes sell out Broncos game at Suncorp, Titans 18,067, Cowboys 19,281.
No need to put more money into rectangle fields in SEQ or NQ.
Then of course cricket is played at the Gabba and they have now lost test matches because of capacity numbers and not great facilities.
The Gabba is not up to modern code. Any improvements mean they have to comply with modern standards.
It will take over $1 billion to bring it up to code with no increased capacity should they go full renovations. So that's a waste of money.
They are going to put $500 million into the Gabba so they can keep the Gabba open for T20 cricket to be played at the Gabba for the Olympics
Also, this will allow AFL & cricket to still play in Brisbane until the Olympics are over.
There's nothing wrong with the Gabba
You have got no idea what you are talking about, it has massive problems and is too small. Cricket Australia is cancelling test matches there.
@@mynameisweevil Its not too small at all. Wait till the Lions start losing and they go back to 17,000 crowds.
@@B-tr9kz But what about the test cricket, oh that's right we already lost it because the Gabba is so shithouse
@@B-tr9kzyou’ve got no clue. Lions membership will rise to 80k next year and afl in QLD has overtaken leagues participation, even more so in SEQ. Gabba doesn’t comply with safety code and will need knocking down in 10-15 years anyway
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Do you know which stadium needs a rebuild the SCG in Sydney its all old and small
SCG is too heritage protected.
Agreed I could not get a ticket all year as it was sold out.. started taking the family the GWS, coming from Newcastle
So a 35 year old stadium built out of concrete has seen its days..good luck with your new highrise unit. How many people go thru the gates at suncorp stadium.. blah blah blah.
Ok, Fitzroy'Lions won the GF.
They are not a Qld team... only 11 of the 45 Brisbane squad are from Qld. They are a pretend team of imported players just like the Melbourne Storm and Auckland Warriors in the NFL are imported teams of Sydney and Brisbane players.
That does not warrant a new oval stadium for a rugby/rugby league-obsessed state.
The Gabba is used only 13 times a year for the Lions and only once for test cricket matches and even that won't happen in 2025/26. There are a few ODI's scheduled for the next year but even then it is utterly underused.
An upgrade is truly needed... but a new oval stadium? Totally out of the question. Besides, most of the BL fans will jump off the bandwagon mid-season next year. That is a 100% guarantee.
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Starting off with a glaring error ain't a good start.
The Brisbane Lions are not merely the Fitzroy Lions. The Brisbane Lions are the Brisbane Bears, who in agreement with the AFL, had the AFL effectively confiscate the Fitzroy Lions AFL license and branding to wear as a skin, in exchange for the Bears request for 8 players from the Fitzroy list.
Thus freeing up a licence position for Port Adelaide back when the league wanted to stay at 16 clubs.
Fitzroy Lions FC still exists, playing in local Melbourne competition.
The Brisbane Lions aren't too different from the NRL's future Western Bears, where North Sydney will continue to exist outside the NRL, but the Bears branding will be in the NRL under different ownership and management, with North Sydney not even in the board.
You’re having a laugh, the Brisbane lions have 65000 members now, Gabba was sold out the majority of the year.. sooner or later the Gabba needs a solution. For the Olympics, Cricket and the growing AFL in Queensland.
What the hell are you talking about.???
The lions get more crowd than the bronco’s most weeks these days.
Im a rugby league fan and I can admit AFL is strong in Queensland.
I went to a few games this year and the atmosphere is more electric then NRL.
Brisbane needs a new stadium
Aussie Rules is only going to get bigger. Trust me
@@zohanstu6821 Have a look how many Victorians have moved to Queensland. Makes sense why they have that many.