@@bobbyboyderecords The difference can indeed be subtle. When it comes to music made by music producers with the help of AI - it is hard to tell the difference. On the other hand, with music done solely by AI, based on a prompt, there's something weird (metallic) going on in the vocals. Also there's emphasis on the wrong words. And the lyrics are kinda cringy. These things will be fixed in time. And yes, very few people (especially consumers) care about these minute differences, just like very few people care about lossless audio and decent room acoustics. I guess where I'm getting at, is AI would still need our feedback either as a listener or as a musician, especially when tapping into new territory, like completely new genres, completely new flavoured feelings, for it to make artistic sense to us. Every music genre has been influenced by what people experienced in that era - if suddenly all humans stopped making music and we would only let AI do it, I don't see how it could come up with new genres / new trends by itself. Because everything it ever generated so far is based on human artwork.
As musician, not a huge one obviously, I gotta say, they did this to themselves. I know alot of nobody "mixing engineers" wanting to charge the same money as big name mixing engineers. And they were pumping out fast food as you put it. To be quoted $40k by some nerd nobody to record and mix a demo was insulting and not worth the money. So as a musician who doesn't make fine dining money I'll happily take fast food and be able to get music out while putting our money elsewhere into the band.
Ever since the industrial revolution started, people have been worried about technology stealing their jobs. Instead, what's happened is that technology has both created new jobs, as well as provided tools to help people become more creative. People will always worry about how the latest technology is going to affect them negatively, but this has been happening for hundreds of years, and society seems to move along just fine.
Its perfect for those moments when you need to crap something out for the undiscerning content feasting frenzy and a place where bad art can go to die when its not worth polishing the turd any more than it has been.
It's funny, I predicted an AI mixing tool would be here within a year, and that was only a few months ago. But the thing for me with AI, is that there have always been and always will be two approaches to any craft; The product-based approach and the process-based approach. Some of us make music for secondary effects like fame or status and just need "mixed songs", and some of us make music because we love the act of creating it and want to see where the rabbit hole goes. The work itself is the reward and the reason why I do any of it. As a songwriter and producer, AI won't affect me because I'm a process-driven person and I work with like-minded people, but as a human music fan I fucking loathe AI generated "art."
Man, you nailed that much better than I could've! I think you're exactly right in the fact that there are so many who WANT to do these tasks, and find the joy in the process and not necessarily the end result.
I have genuinely learned more about mixing from using intelligent tools like izotope’s neutron and ozone. While not perfect they have helped as a second set of ears, keeping me objective and giving me a good idea of what a source should sound like (most of the time) and how to get there.
Well if AI can replace you, you deserve it! Focus more on the human side of mixing. The days of sound engineers looking down on smaller artists are finally over
I would only use something like that to get a quick reference track then try and replicate/improve it. Mixing and mastering was getting replaced by musicians building home studios and learning how to do it themselves anyways. I've been mixing and mastering my own stuff for a few years now, the thought of paying someone else to mix or master my music is silly. Sure furnishing a home studio isn't cheap, but neither is some overpriced studio where you're paying by the hour. Plus I've never improved faster than when I got the proper setup to playback and study my performances
That's a great concept I didn't really consider yet, the whole hearing it mixed one way, and then trying to "beat it". Could be really cool to give it stems, and hear a few different mix directions (ex. a raw recording, a hyper produced mix etc) and see how you like to hear the song, and then find a producer in that style.
Well, music and any other discipline can be modeled mathematically, so we can't exclude anything when it comes to AI. But will it ever be able to come up with something original, that no one ever made and still strike a chord in us humans? Maybe only with a lot of input from us. But then I still think it would be easier to play an instrument and compose on it than have a never ending chat with an LLM. Excellent video, by the way!
Very glad I escaped the clutches of the music industry. I'm not out of the woods, as all forms if information jobs are at some risk of being replaced, but creative work was never respected. Look at the attitude the average person has for music; they think youre an idiot for spending any money on it. AI may be derivative, but the consumer doesn't respect the process or value the product. As long as they get their slop, it's fine. Once the top talent retires, AI that does exactly what labels want for a fraction of the cost and time will replace them.
My personal take on the whole thing is that the proof is in the pudding. There doesn’t seem to be tons of great music being put out. The last memorable movement in music might be Nu-Metal? My point is that it doesn’t seem like it’s helping to create truly great music. Just tons of music. I’m wondering if it’s the thing where, when people have it too easy, the results are mediocre at best. Before anybody could have a home studio and bust out some music, they had to be able to play music to begin with. Essentially, you had to work and practice and become proficient. There was a skill that needed to be honed. I think it’s safe to say that all of these tools, while convenient, have removed steps so anybody can sit there and call themselves a musician, or an engineer, etc.. As the old saying goes, nothing good comes easy.
Good points! I definitely think there's some truth to the idea of barrier to entry making the people who get in work *that* much harder for their results! While I do really like the fact that we now have a word with amazing access to gear and being able to record yourself, it has certainly changed the landscape of how things are done! Thanks for checking out the video!
@@modernmusicsolutions definitely, good points!! And I don’t think it’s all bad or anything like that, like you said they’re just needs to be something to work for or you get lots of mediocre product. I’m really enjoying your plug-ins. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
The problem with all the mid music releasing isn't that everyone has a home studio lol Or that everyone's using a catalog of AI plugins and ai mixing and mastering services. It's a lot of mid tier producers regurgitating the same sounds everyone's heard a thousand times, musicians that have never heard themselves practice, the masses listening to the same garbage on repeat, and bands with little to no standards. A lot of it is also people thinking all they need to do is fill one role like was the standard forever. You can't just be the musician or the engineer these days. It's like thinking you can dominate the modern day ufc with a single martial art. It's just not viable anymore. A recording setup is without question what got me past a huge plateau where I felt like I wasn't improving for a long time. Now I couldn't ever see myself paying for studio time or to get anyone else to mix/master my music. AI is a tool, stuff like this will be used as reference tracks at most by anyone that takes music serious. No one's gonna be listening to lazily slopped out ai music unironically, they could already be doing that if they wanted but they don't because it's just really repetitive
Creativity is Paramount & the cream will rise to the top. Hey I would be nothing without creative writers and songwriters. I could see perhaps some AI blocking tools spark a little side industry off of this. As a software designer developer I could see ways to do this and detect AI using a song as input.
No serious artist will use this. Leave it to all the sound cloud kids to put their meh demos through. No skin off my bones as an engineer/producer/artist.
I think it's biggest uses will be i the demo phases, and creation process vs the final product as well. Kinda like the bands "demo" they'd bring to the producer now sounding more like a song, but hopefully we still see many pros doing the legit releases
@@T3Rmin4LCuRi0siTy Thats a lot of why my opinion is very much still up in the air in terms of how “immediate” this affects anything! It could be amazing and instantly stir things up, and it also could just kinda suck🤣 Time will tell!
@@modernmusicsolutions if it sucks then it won't challenge the status quo of studio engineers. On the flip if it's amazing then studio engineers and most plug-in companies will tank. Whatever it is we can expect more and more AI tools.
“No serious artist will use this” That’s a broad statement…I know “serious artists” who use AI mastering services everyday in order to help them with their workflow / delivering preproduction to clients in time
@@SunnyBeeRandomTuber Yeah, Ive given a few of them some tries just as a “joke” to kinda see how a few faired against real mastering jobs I did, and truth to be told it wasn’t terrible, but most lacked the intentional moves I felt could’ve been made, and most just did the bare minimum things you’d want in a “mastered” version (like limiting, basic EQ adjustments) but didn’t go as far as things like making the record actually feel better or addressing anything specific to the mix.
What is the reward for music on streaming services like Spotify? If you think about it, the cost you pay for recording sessions, etc. You buy expensive mixing plugins or subscriptions for Waves studioverse and then have to depend on an algorithm to put your music in front of alot people on streaming services. A.I. Is the way to go. Nobody will remember your music 1 to 1000000 years from now. You get that viral tiktok song and after some time, people move on to the next viral song.
I dont give a damn about ai music. Neither they will perform live for a crowd or create content for a fanbase. Its just soulless music. The soulless music industry aka solo produced to death industryplants have a Problem now but thats a rather good development if you ask me 😅
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Fast food vs fine dining, that's how I envision the difference between AI and human creative work.
how can you tell the difference?
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The difference can indeed be subtle.
When it comes to music made by music producers with the help of AI - it is hard to tell the difference. On the other hand, with music done solely by AI, based on a prompt, there's something weird (metallic) going on in the vocals. Also there's emphasis on the wrong words. And the lyrics are kinda cringy. These things will be fixed in time.
And yes, very few people (especially consumers) care about these minute differences, just like very few people care about lossless audio and decent room acoustics.
I guess where I'm getting at, is AI would still need our feedback either as a listener or as a musician, especially when tapping into new territory, like completely new genres, completely new flavoured feelings, for it to make artistic sense to us.
Every music genre has been influenced by what people experienced in that era - if suddenly all humans stopped making music and we would only let AI do it, I don't see how it could come up with new genres / new trends by itself. Because everything it ever generated so far is based on human artwork.
As musician, not a huge one obviously, I gotta say, they did this to themselves. I know alot of nobody "mixing engineers" wanting to charge the same money as big name mixing engineers. And they were pumping out fast food as you put it. To be quoted $40k by some nerd nobody to record and mix a demo was insulting and not worth the money. So as a musician who doesn't make fine dining money I'll happily take fast food and be able to get music out while putting our money elsewhere into the band.
this won't age well...
@@thank_you_thank_you we'll see.
Ever since the industrial revolution started, people have been worried about technology stealing their jobs. Instead, what's happened is that technology has both created new jobs, as well as provided tools to help people become more creative. People will always worry about how the latest technology is going to affect them negatively, but this has been happening for hundreds of years, and society seems to move along just fine.
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Never better time to be creative
Agreed! I for one get super excited about more people getting the chance to create great art when given the proper tools
Great video. All comes down to the results. Time will tell.
Thanks for checking it out dude! Agreed, unfortunately time will be the only way to see how things will play out
Its perfect for those moments when you need to crap something out for the undiscerning content feasting frenzy and a place where bad art can go to die when its not worth polishing the turd any more than it has been.
It's funny, I predicted an AI mixing tool would be here within a year, and that was only a few months ago. But the thing for me with AI, is that there have always been and always will be two approaches to any craft; The product-based approach and the process-based approach. Some of us make music for secondary effects like fame or status and just need "mixed songs", and some of us make music because we love the act of creating it and want to see where the rabbit hole goes. The work itself is the reward and the reason why I do any of it. As a songwriter and producer, AI won't affect me because I'm a process-driven person and I work with like-minded people, but as a human music fan I fucking loathe AI generated "art."
Man, you nailed that much better than I could've! I think you're exactly right in the fact that there are so many who WANT to do these tasks, and find the joy in the process and not necessarily the end result.
I just opened this msg to write: NAH, It's not gonna happen but we need content right?
I have genuinely learned more about mixing from using intelligent tools like izotope’s neutron and ozone. While not perfect they have helped as a second set of ears, keeping me objective and giving me a good idea of what a source should sound like (most of the time) and how to get there.
Well if AI can replace you, you deserve it! Focus more on the human side of mixing. The days of sound engineers looking down on smaller artists are finally over
Great point, and fully agree!
Interested to hear your thoughts on OSMIX!
I will definitely need to check this out! Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
I would only use something like that to get a quick reference track then try and replicate/improve it. Mixing and mastering was getting replaced by musicians building home studios and learning how to do it themselves anyways. I've been mixing and mastering my own stuff for a few years now, the thought of paying someone else to mix or master my music is silly. Sure furnishing a home studio isn't cheap, but neither is some overpriced studio where you're paying by the hour. Plus I've never improved faster than when I got the proper setup to playback and study my performances
That's a great concept I didn't really consider yet, the whole hearing it mixed one way, and then trying to "beat it". Could be really cool to give it stems, and hear a few different mix directions (ex. a raw recording, a hyper produced mix etc) and see how you like to hear the song, and then find a producer in that style.
Well, music and any other discipline can be modeled mathematically, so we can't exclude anything when it comes to AI. But will it ever be able to come up with something original, that no one ever made and still strike a chord in us humans? Maybe only with a lot of input from us. But then I still think it would be easier to play an instrument and compose on it than have a never ending chat with an LLM.
Excellent video, by the way!
@@DrKaoliN thank you so much for checking it out! Great points, and agree! I don’t believe this stuff won’t get in the way of creative people.
Very glad I escaped the clutches of the music industry. I'm not out of the woods, as all forms if information jobs are at some risk of being replaced, but creative work was never respected. Look at the attitude the average person has for music; they think youre an idiot for spending any money on it. AI may be derivative, but the consumer doesn't respect the process or value the product. As long as they get their slop, it's fine. Once the top talent retires, AI that does exactly what labels want for a fraction of the cost and time will replace them.
My personal take on the whole thing is that the proof is in the pudding. There doesn’t seem to be tons of great music being put out. The last memorable movement in music might be Nu-Metal? My point is that it doesn’t seem like it’s helping to create truly great music. Just tons of music. I’m wondering if it’s the thing where, when people have it too easy, the results are mediocre at best. Before anybody could have a home studio and bust out some music, they had to be able to play music to begin with. Essentially, you had to work and practice and become proficient. There was a skill that needed to be honed. I think it’s safe to say that all of these tools, while convenient, have removed steps so anybody can sit there and call themselves a musician, or an engineer, etc..
As the old saying goes, nothing good comes easy.
Good points! I definitely think there's some truth to the idea of barrier to entry making the people who get in work *that* much harder for their results! While I do really like the fact that we now have a word with amazing access to gear and being able to record yourself, it has certainly changed the landscape of how things are done! Thanks for checking out the video!
@@modernmusicsolutions definitely, good points!! And I don’t think it’s all bad or anything like that, like you said they’re just needs to be something to work for or you get lots of mediocre product. I’m really enjoying your plug-ins. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
The problem with all the mid music releasing isn't that everyone has a home studio lol Or that everyone's using a catalog of AI plugins and ai mixing and mastering services. It's a lot of mid tier producers regurgitating the same sounds everyone's heard a thousand times, musicians that have never heard themselves practice, the masses listening to the same garbage on repeat, and bands with little to no standards. A lot of it is also people thinking all they need to do is fill one role like was the standard forever. You can't just be the musician or the engineer these days. It's like thinking you can dominate the modern day ufc with a single martial art. It's just not viable anymore.
A recording setup is without question what got me past a huge plateau where I felt like I wasn't improving for a long time. Now I couldn't ever see myself paying for studio time or to get anyone else to mix/master my music. AI is a tool, stuff like this will be used as reference tracks at most by anyone that takes music serious. No one's gonna be listening to lazily slopped out ai music unironically, they could already be doing that if they wanted but they don't because it's just really repetitive
Creativity is Paramount & the cream will rise to the top. Hey I would be nothing without creative writers and songwriters. I could see perhaps some AI blocking tools spark a little side industry off of this. As a software designer developer I could see ways to do this and detect AI using a song as input.
No serious artist will use this. Leave it to all the sound cloud kids to put their meh demos through. No skin off my bones as an engineer/producer/artist.
I think it's biggest uses will be i the demo phases, and creation process vs the final product as well. Kinda like the bands "demo" they'd bring to the producer now sounding more like a song, but hopefully we still see many pros doing the legit releases
We dont even know how it performs yet and you have an opinion.
@@T3Rmin4LCuRi0siTy Thats a lot of why my opinion is very much still up in the air in terms of how “immediate” this affects anything!
It could be amazing and instantly stir things up, and it also could just kinda suck🤣 Time will tell!
@@modernmusicsolutions if it sucks then it won't challenge the status quo of studio engineers. On the flip if it's amazing then studio engineers and most plug-in companies will tank. Whatever it is we can expect more and more AI tools.
“No serious artist will use this”
That’s a broad statement…I know “serious artists” who use AI mastering services everyday in order to help them with their workflow / delivering preproduction to clients in time
Hmmm now you know how airbrush artist, VHS repairmen and ex-presidents feel like.
Ive not heard many positive reviews like Landr
@@SunnyBeeRandomTuber Yeah, Ive given a few of them some tries just as a “joke” to kinda see how a few faired against real mastering jobs I did, and truth to be told it wasn’t terrible, but most lacked the intentional moves I felt could’ve been made, and most just did the bare minimum things you’d want in a “mastered” version (like limiting, basic EQ adjustments) but didn’t go as far as things like making the record actually feel better or addressing anything specific to the mix.
What is the reward for music on streaming services like Spotify? If you think about it, the cost you pay for recording sessions, etc. You buy expensive mixing plugins or subscriptions for Waves studioverse and then have to depend on an algorithm to put your music in front of alot people on streaming services. A.I. Is the way to go. Nobody will remember your music 1 to 1000000 years from now. You get that viral tiktok song and after some time, people move on to the next viral song.
I dont give a damn about ai music. Neither they will perform live for a crowd or create content for a fanbase. Its just soulless music. The soulless music industry aka solo produced to death industryplants have a Problem now but thats a rather good development if you ask me 😅