🔴 Leica M8 Review 2021 + Leica M8 Photos) + Benefits of CCD Sensor vs CMOS! (Leica M8 Specs x10)
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- Leica M8 2021 Review + Leica M8 Photos (CCD Sensor vs CMOS) + 10x Leica M8 Camera Specs
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I bought mine in 2008, In 14 years it has taken thousands of photos and is still going strong. Used it professionally and for my personal work. The Kodak CCD sensor is steller simply unmatched for the rendering it generates. Great video Matt,
Amazing! Great to hear Gregory and thanks!
I bought it one month ago and now I’m in love with my M8
Ah amazing, congrats!! :)
Great content! Answered almost all of my questions about M8. Hard to find such comprehensive information about using M8 in 2020. Thank you. PS: your voice is so calm that I can sleep along with it... hehe
Thanks! Haha I’m not sure that you sleeping during my videos is a good sign though ha :)
My God Matt, those first 3 portraits were unreal!!!! Way above your normal work which is unreal as well. I love it all!!! You’re such an innovator!!!!!!
Ah thanks Frankie! I shot this camera a lot so I had plenty of samples to select from :)
I shoot on both a M6 and M8. I love both of them. I sent the M8 back to Leica a couple years ago to have the sensor remapped and for a CLA. It came back in perfect condition. I love it.
Great combo!
Thanks for sharing. My M8 is now in service in Wetzlar. They do not have all the spare parts but still enough to polish up my 'old' M8. The previous owner also brought it in 2 times in Wetzlar for service. So although it is used in harsh environments the M8 do gets it's well deserved service from time to time.
Thanks and good to hear it’s being well looked after 👌🏻
I've had my M8 since new spot on with your review chap absolutely right in everything you say cheers Matt
Great to hear that any many thanks for you comment! It will be valuable for potential buyers. Many thanks!
I've been with Nikon and Fujifilm (and still is at the moment) for many years and just got my very first Leica, the M8, two weeks ago. I'm totally in love with it! The pictures are stunning, both in colour and bnw, and I really like the simplicity of the handling and the sturdy quality feel of that brass body. I am so happy that I got the M8 since I also considered the Q. M8 was the right choice for me.
Thank you for another great review! I always enjoy your work!
Welcome to Leica and congrats on your M8! Yes the M cameras with give you something new to enjoy for sure. (Beware the first Leica is normally just the start!) :)
I'm in love with my M8. The shutter count is at 185,000 and still going strong!
Thanks Joshua, Woo impressive shutter count! :)
Mines about 60000 still going
xyla aqsa nice! 👍🏻
I got mine a few months ago, less than 6k shutter actuations.
Carlos Silverio great find! That is very low! 👌🏻
Thank you for this and for the video on the CL, which I viewed just before. You've answered so clearly the qustions I had. I have the M8, and welcome the info recommending the infra-red filter with rings.
My black and white photos of landscapes and buildings have been stunning. So, yes, I will hold on to my M8!
Hello, The "step-rings" work like an adapter so you can fit say a 52mm filter onto a 39mm thread lens. You just buy a 39-52mm step up ring in this example. I hope that helps and i'm glad you like the videos. Thanks Matt
Just discovered your site and am looking and "liking" many of your other videos. Thank you so much for your insight and thoughtful commentary. And your photos are pretty amazing too. This video really grabbed me because I have always wanted an M8 (I have an M6) and now i really want one.
Thank you Joe! Yes if you like Leica you've come to the right place! The M8 is a great camera! :)
I have the M10, but the Leica M9 was my first. In between I've had all the others, the M240, MM, M246, and the M9 is for me the camera that gave the most satisfying images either in colour or converted to B&W. Ok the resolution isn't as good as it's B&W specialist the MM but the images just had some punch and guts. Totally agree with this review, you could say less is more.
Thank you Steve, happy to hear that. I've just posted my Leica M9 Review thoughts if you've not already seen it!
I have the Leica M9 and before that a Canon 10D. I am unable to give up the CCD sensors. Thanks for a great recap of the M8! I wish sensor manufacturers would work more the image rendering and not the megapixels and other technical specifications when producing sensors!
You and Mathias Burling both make very compelling stories for an extended life with the M8. I share your points but chose the full frame M9.
Thanks again for another interesting video! Well made and great with picture examples!
Thanks for your feedback, yes the M9 has its advantages too, especially for colour work and no crop. Yes I miss CCD sensors too, bring them back! :)
This video (and the one by Mattias Burling) sealed my decision to buy the M8. I was a 100% Fuji shooter, but hardly use my X-Pro 3 since I got the M8.🙈😅
I love how it feels, the real rangefinder experience and how the restrictions with the M8 made me more selective about my shots. + The colors and tonality.
Thanks for your great content. You are doing a great job!
Thanks Jan-Hinrich! Great to hear that and I think your comment with be so valuable to others tempted by this camera. Especially Fuji users. Thanks for reporting back and enjoy your M8! :)
This is great to know as I am shooting with the X-T3.
Along with the CCD sensor for the colors, the pixel pitch of the M8 sensor would definitely achieve more sensor saturation to achieve that look you talk about Matt.
I have a Nikon D3s that I just bought a few weeks back and I've stopped using my other Nikon and Canon cameras. The 8.46 microns pixel pitch really makes the images stand out and makes me want to keep shooting more and more.
Compare that to a D810 with a pixel pitch 0f just 4.87 microns, it really gives a very interesting saturated look to the pictures. I never shoot raw with this camera since I don't ever feel the need to now :)
Thank you, great information! (Yes I used to have the D800.. I really didn't like the boring sensor).
Matt, really enjoy your videos no nonsense and straight to the point, i don't have a M8 but have a relative came out before the M8, Epson RD-1 if you ever get to try one you it will probably compare favourably also CCD sensor and very unique user controls and a M mount.
Thanks Clive! Yes I know of them but have never tried one. If I ever do I’ll be sure to make a video!
When I bought my M8 some weeks ago, I must say it wasn't love at first sight. But now... I can't miss it
Jo Van de Vijver yes it might take the eyes time to adjust and generally work slower. 👍🏻😊
Love these videos Matt!
Oliver Hardinge thank you Oliver! This video is one of the more popular ones! :)
One more point to add. The 1.33x crop eliminates vignetting when shooting wide open on most lenses as it is cropped out. You also get sharper images corner to corner due to the fact you are using the lens at it strength the centre.
Cheers :)
Yes! I said similar strength for the CL in my recent CL vs SL video!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom many advantages to a cropped sensor. In the case of the M8 series I think it was smart engineering not to many cameras had a APs -H crop of 1.33x. I also like the fact you can download right from the camera with a USB cable without removing the baseplate. They removed the USB from the side and placed it underneath the newer series cameras. You have to by the advanced grip with the M240 and remove the M10 series, you have to baseplate to access the USB.
Great Video , i to really like the M8 the look is nothing else compared on any other digital camera , just got an M5 ran a B/W film through it using a Canon 50mm 1.8 and very pleased with the results, must try my M8 for B/W pictures, keep up the good work enjoy watching you blogs
Thank you David and congrats on you M5! Yes try BWJPEGs too they are special!
I totally agree about the cmos vs ccd..I have the latest Panasonic S1H and canon, Fuji cameras and owned a Leica M8 back in 2014 and all I can say is that my most interesting looking photos were from the M8 hands down..it’s not a perfect camera but it provides the most interesting images..I’m ready to purchase another body after having selling it 6 years ago..I’ve yet to find a camera which shoots more interesting images..I’d love to see more on this..thank you!
Thank you Marvin, I appreciate your comment for others to see with regards to the M8 vs modern cameras. There are more past write ups and many more sample photos on the www.MrLeica.com blog, linked under the video.
Love the video Matt! I'm a big film guy still and was thinking about this camera. The film aspects you described regarding the sensor has sealed the deal for me. I'm buying an M8. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Thanks Rob, warning, it will threaten you use of b&w film for a while!
Happy to say that I just ordered a M8.2. Near mint, can't wait to try it out. Thank you for your video which was a big help.
Congrats and sorry I missed this! I hope you will love it! :)
Matt Osborne received it 🥰 Like new with 1556 shutter accounting 😮silver version which if you don’t look at the speed dial as no difference with the M8. But it’s not lol. Have a good day.
@@FrankWestPR Great news thanks!
That CCD sensor absolutely makes the difference. I use the Pentax 645D which I got for a song and it just has a look diffent and I think better than later CMOS sensors on the same camera update.
Thanks Al, yes CCD looks so much better than CMOS 👍🏻
I watch and rewatch your vids. You explain the subject, whatever you are on, well and in an understandable manner. I have the Voigtländer 35 f1.4 MC II as my basic go-to lens. But I have a Jupiter 9 coming and may find a 25 or 28mm old lens for the M8.2 I bought. A nice Zeiss or Soviet Zeiss copy would work well for the WA. So, yes, you do have viewers who watch and learn. Thanks for the help.
Thanks you Zoltan, i've just found lots of old comments I missed.. Yes the 35/1.4 is nice.. check the Canon 28mm f2.8 LTM.. nice lens.. I still need to review it.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I may have said so elsewhere but, yes, it is a nice lens. I bought it. Great lens and even better when the price is factored in.
@@zoltankaparthy9095 thanks Zoltan, agreed, great lens! (As seen in the recent Fast 50s video)
Using Sony cameras since 2010 (currently an A1) with modern lenses and now testing a M8.2 since two weeks with some Voigtlander and Leica lenses, I can 100% subscribe to what you predicted at 21:25 !
The images right out of the M8(2.) are so much more vibrant, that it has blown me away. My children (Gen-Z, grown up with CMOS photos mainly from smartphones) immediately reacted when they saw these photos. The asked, what they could do with their smartphones in order to get this wonderful look...
Haha great story! This is why CCD sensors are so good! They need to bring them back! Enjoy!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom ...although I am not sure, if it is the CCD principle (vs. CMOS) or if it is more about the thicker CFA (color filter array) which was used at that time, seperating the RGB components of the light more clearly and a different processing in camera in order to deliver a look closer to film rolls.
I think, if camera manufacturers want to, they could also generate these results with CMOS sensors, which are cheaper, faster and provide a wider dynamic range.
Hi
I love the images without the IR filter but have ordered one of these filters to try.
But love the camera as this was my first Leica
Thanks you should definitely see nicer greens with it but for some situations you won’t need. Hope you enjoy the filter!
I agree. I have a m8.
Sold my Fuji x100.
Never use my canon gear.
It’s a good street camera. Add a vintage lenses. Many many hours of fun.
Thanks Mike, yes Leica offer a different shooting experience to most cameras and the M8/M9 even more so!
best review ever leica m8. my leica m8 is fine using artisan lens 50mm f1.1 on night. CCD sensor better quality. Picture more film look and look rich. No need edit anymore.
Thanks ha! Yes that’s what I love from the M8 too. Nice photos straight out of camera! :). I will try to do a Leica M8 photoshoot as share example photos and BTS images
My first digital slr was the Nikon D40 and it had a ccd sensor. I really liked the images I got from that simple camera but I never tried b&w on it. Now you make me want to go back and try that!
Thanks! You can find those very cheap on eBay now
I got my M8 early 2009 after the launch of the M8.2. I like it and if I look at color prints ordered online they do not look like taken by a digital camera. Considering the M8 was launched 14 years ago it's still going strong. Have been thinking of buying a second one in case my M8 gets broken because of high repair cost if repairable. The M9 is also tempting. I have not yet decided and look frequent if I could find an afordable deal.
Thanks RJ. Yes I see other M8 fans starting to buy up additional bodies as backup for the reasons you say. M9 is also nice but not quite as filmic as M8 (see the M9 video with example images).
Well Matt, after viewing all your awesome videos I just purchased a black M8 and a Voightlander Nokton F1.2 V2. Looking forward to getting them and shooting mostly b&w :) Hope that lens is a good combo with the M8
Congratulations Bill!! ..and thanks for your kind words. I hear excellent things about that lens so it should be an amazing setup for B&W. Enjoy!
Wow thank you for your video. I just got my first Lieca, M8. 3 Days ago and you made me feel more happy on buying it.
R.A D ah congrats! Great timing. Yes you will love the M8 I’m sure! Enjoy! (If you need lenses see the Lens Series videos!). I’ll try to share more M8 stuff soon!
Matt Osborne yes yes! I would love videos about lenses since I just got to Leica system. Hope you can also make video on how to post process M8 files. Thanks!
R.A D See my video lists or playlists for lens videos. If you have your subscription new post notifications turned on my next video might help you out with regards to M8 files. :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom yes I'm subscribed!
R.A D Great thanks! I don’t upload on a set day of the week so I worry non-subscribers will miss videos. Thanks and more soon! :)
Hi Matt ! I just viewed two videos of yours talking about M8. It is very informative . May I ask, those B&W pics in this video , are they straight out from the camera ? Or did they actually need post processing ? Thank you !!
Thanks! I shot DNG only these days so all images go through Lightroom with my Leica M8 preset added (available on MrLeica.com ) The JPGs look great too but i've used to RAW now.
Stupendous video! Seriously making me consider the M8.
Ha thanks Nic, I’m glad you enjoyed it! It was just my honest thoughts on that camera. :)
Thanks, Matt very informative and interesting great food for thought from a Nikon and Fuji user.
Thank you David! It would certainly give very different photos to what you are probably used.
Very good review. Thank you!
Thanks!
Very interesting review on the M8. I should look into it since I don't have a Leica digital and your CCD versus CMOS observations are very revealing. I still rely on film for now :).
Thank you Anthony! Yes if you love film like me you won’t find a digital sensor that gives as close a look, I think.
I have a follow up camera review coming if you want to spend the same money on a different camera ;) You should receive a new post notification later today if you use them.
Thanks for excellent video.
M8 is an unique camera. Although it's bit loud and slow, images are very sharp. Colors are OK, but I didn't attach uv/ir filter. I think I will try with the filter on.
Black and white images are really nice. I was very surprised when I saw black and white images from m8.
I use 28mm sumicron asph. In addition to the ccd without filter, summicron 28 probably contributed to creating very sharp looking images.
Old tool, but I really like using it.
Thank you John, sorry just catching up with comments. Yes I used it mostly for B&W too. Yes not the fastest camera but sharp images like you say. Good lens too like that helps! :) I did a review on that lens plus 25+ other M lenses if you are interested and more coming too!
I loved my M8, it was my first digital Leica. I traded it for my M10 . Somehow I still miss it. Even with all the limitations in low lights it’s a great camera. My favorite lens on it was the Leica 40mm Sumicron.
Thanks Bill! Yes I’m only just starting to appreciate the little 40mm. I have the Minolta-M version. M10 is still nice! :)
I too have a 40 "Cron". Love it. Yes, it has it's flaws, which are clearly detailed in the reviews of this lens, but, for me, it's virtues outweigh them.
barry fullick thanks Barry! I love the small size of the 40s.
I had a Leica M8 and miss it very much! The files are very unique~ more organic than the newer Ms. I have a M10P , but you are convincing me to get one again 😊
Ha yes for sure more interesting files than modern M cameras! M8 and M9 win :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom And Love that unique shutter sound 🥰
@@satyarod yes!
Still my favorite camera of all times, followed by M4, Rolleicord Model I, Hasselblad H3D-II, H2, M9-P, M5, Nikon D4, F2AS, F2Photomic, Kodak DCS660C, DCS620X, Nikon F5.
Ah you have some nice cameras! I killed my H3D-31 so now use a H2, I have a Rolleicord III I need to try with models and M4Ps..and the F5 + F4 :) Good to hear you like the M8!
Matt Osborne You should also try a Kodak DCS660C (standard RGB bayer pattern) or DCS620X with the XENA Sensor (CMY colour filter array). Superb colours but not much megapixels (6MP/2MP). They are based on the Nikon F5 and accept all accessories such as the different finders.
@@Funktrainer Thanks for mentioning, good to know! The F5 is great too. I have.
I have used my M8 with my 35mm Summacron Leitz f2 lens made in Canada for over 15 years now. The images are excellent and high quality enlargement of my landscapes. I considered buying a high end Canon and a Nikon mirrorless camera but I don't think they compare the quality of my images with the Leica M8. The new cams have too many settings also and are confusing to me just saying. I really enjoyed your review of the M8.
Thanks Lloyd, yes there is a lot to be said for less buttons/ settings :)
Also I am thinking to buy a Voitlander Nocton 75mm 1.5 lens.
Would you recommend this lens? I can not afford $12.000 for the Leica version.
Using this lens on my M8 would make it aprox. 90mm so should be good for portraits right?
Before watching this video I was convinced that I would put my M8 up for sale tomorrow. Now I will take it for a spin instead.
Fredrik Thorsen thanks! I’m happy to hear this. :)
I did not appreciate my M8 for the crop factor, but after 8 years and comparing results with M9 and M10, I can say the results are close as can be.Just be aware things can be unrepairable.
Regarding uv/ir filters, change the yelllow greens to a nice green in PS or LR by increasing yellow 45, green 40, and aqua 35. Do a color select and desaturate to fix purple blacks if you get any. I never have .had to do it except as trial. Forget it if you are a wedding guy.
Thanks Ron for the PS/LR info/ I'm sure others reading will find this useful too. Many thanks.
The Leica M8 is my favorite camera of all time. The slight crop factor uses just the sharpest part of any lens. Black and white shots are superb. Some shots I took earlier this year: ruclips.net/video/a5E808o2pNc/видео.html Cheers!
Thanks yes it’s super sharp!
OK You & a few others have convinced me. I've traded one of my Fujifilm bodies for the M8 which is still on its way to me. This is to be used purely as the poor man's Monochrom. I currently own the 3 Minolta CLE lenses to get me started, they've sat in a cupboard along with my CLE for a very long time & will no doubt be happy to get out & about. If we ever can get out & about! Thanks for your great reviews, I will be back to watch many more. 👍
Congrats Nigel! At least you can use your nice CLE glass too. I hope you enjoy it! The M8 has a special look but expect to work at a slower pace.. more like shooting film! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hi Mat, Thanks for that. I just need a change in the weather & a change in lockdown restrictions we have a 6pm curfew over here in France. As for the M8 I love it. It has less than 2k clicks from new on it so in much better nick than I expected. Oh & that shutter sound, so discrete! I don't think I've ever heard a shutter so loud before Ha ha.
@@Nigel-nar53 2k wow! Great find! Yes not so quiet haha
Great vid. I subscribed. Just a point . I saw Leica glass on Fuji that made the Fuji a whole different camera (for the good). It’s true Leica glass may not give Leica look but there’s some best in the world Leica glass that is simply fantastic.
Laurence Goldman Thank you Laurence! Yes good point to make about Leica lenses being some of the best so they can improve the look from other cameras too. (I actually say that about Voigtlander lenses on that video, too!) :)
I have the 8.2 and the M9P and I have a somehow strange tendency to take the M8 instead the M9p. It has that something sepcial.... BTW the V40mm 1.2 is great Matt!!
Thanks yes the M8 is sharper and I like the extra reach vs FF. thanks re. 1.2 I’ll try to resist a bit longer :)
Correction for below. Use PS ACR or LR raw. yellow 50 green 45 aqua 40. Must be done from RAW
I forgot to say the images that come out of the camera remind me of Kodachrome 64.
If your old enough to remember this film stock.
Kodakchrome was fantastic! Many try to do lightroom presets but it is not the same in my opinion. It works sometimes for one or two images but not worth the hassle.
Ha yes the CCD end seems the same as the end of Kodachrome. Sadly I didn’t shoot at K64 before it went :(
I’ve had both CCD and CMOS sensors and don’t find the sensor type to matter, but more the color “science” that makes a camera unique. My CMOS Olympus and Canon can perform just as well as CCD sensor cameras, as far as colors go.
Thanks Mike, I think CCD are generally known for better colours but I can't speak for every brand. I know people buy the old Nikons with CCD for the colour pop look. Leica have DNG vs RAW so most people seem to love the Leica colours coming from other brands.
Love your photos.
Laurence Goldman thanks I’m more of a photographer than a speaker so I’m happy people enjoy the images. More videos soon!
I am not a Leica shooter by any meaning (it is out of my price-range) and i tried a lot of digital cameras. But only Film gives me the look that i prefer in most situations. Until i re-discover my old Pentax K10d. It has a 10 Mpx ccd- type sensor..and i was blown away how close it comes to film :-) so i can understand you if you say your pictures have some "live". Thank for your video, just discoverd your channel here. Greetings from "Leica-country" ;-)
Thank you Mathias! I’m happy to hear you’ve found another 10MP CCD camera for the film look! More videos coming soon! ..hopefully today! :)
I have my M10M and am kinda wanting a color one for the few times I really want color.
I've been debating a M8 or M9. Does the M8 have potential corrosion problems too like the M9?
Does the M9 require the IR cut filter too?
Thank you in advance if you see this.
Hi I would get the M9 for colour (M8 for B&W). But the M8 has no sensor issues. M9 doesn’t need filter but gas sensor issue.
I think you need a “Halls” my brother! Good review
Thank you!
Matt do you feel the same with what you see out of the M11/P as you did re the M9 and the CMOS effect? I'm probably nowhere near as discerning as you... I just love the M11P files!!! I did own both the M8/9 and was seriously happy with them and only sold them as I had a very long break from image making.
Hi Paul, sadly no chance. No matter how you try to tweak M11 or and other CMOS camera file you can never match the quality of the M9 (colour and B&W). Still the best ever digital M but with the sensor issues I don't consider them now.
I love my M8... treat it like a film camera with its limited iso and it’s great. Wouldn’t pay much more than about £1100 for one though... my 40mm Rollei is probably most used lens and it’s easy to modify lens to the 35 framelines. But enjoyed video
Thanks Simon, yes I know people modify their 40s by filing the back to get the 35mm framelines. I probably should have mentioned it.
..and agreed the prices are going mad right now.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I use my Rollei 40mm Ltm with a 35mm frameline adapter because I prefer not to file down frame lines ... but it seems a fairly easy thing to do
The 1/8000th of a second shutter speed is also really handy if you live somewhere sunny, like Greece. I wish my M10 and M10M had it.
Adam Czarnowski thanks Adam yes agreed! ..and the 1/250 flash sync 👌🏻
Matt, I know I am going backwards from M10 to M8, but the M8.2 I recently bought from eBay has given me great both color and b&w images with the 50 mm Summilux ASPH. Thanks for your recommendations.
Congrats Wilfred!
I used to have a Nikon D200 with CCD sensor, The sensor rendered so differently to my D800 and D7200. A very special look from the CCD sensor.
lensman57 thanks for sharing. I would hang onto you D200! (I still have my D800).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Regrettably I sold the D200 a couple of years ago. The D300 is gone to my daughter, the D800 and The D7200 are still with me along with the one that started it all for me in digital the D70.
lensman57 ah I got in with the D90 as had M43 before that :)
Does the last voigtlander nokton 50mm 1.4 you reviewed fit on this camera ? Will you recomand this combo ? Thanks for all your amazing review, very hepful
Hi I said 50mm in the video a few times but wrote on screen 58mm to correct it. No the 58/1.4 is amazing but it is for SLR cameras so won’t focus on rangefinder. Sorry. Voigtlander make a 50/1.5 that will fit but costs more money.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom so I'll buy the Fm2 with the nokton 1.4 and wait to buy a M8 with the lens you mentioned here... Thanks a lot.
I forget... Love all your photos. Thank a lot
@@lueniopue2488 Great setup! No problem
Could you also do a m9 video? or maybe a comparison between m8 and m9? i'm trying to decide between price and fullframe, and maybe the deciding factor would be B&W look (which could be better on the m8 because the ir-cut is less strong?)
I don’t have my M9 anymore so I can’t do a side by side comparison. The M8 is better for BW no question. Sharper.
Hi Matt
Loving the channel, and am about to get my first Leica either m8 or m9 not sure which yet. Anyhow I was reading from a chap on eBay that the m9 he is selling has had the sensor glass replaced due to corrosion issues, is this something I should be aware of with both m8 and m9
Cheers in advance
Dave
Hi Dave! Ah this is the message you mentioned. Sometimes I have 100+ comments to reply to so it takes a few hours each time.
Got one, love it still.
Thanks Francisco, yes great camera! :)
Thanks!!!
Yes beautiful portrait and video . The Leica M8, are interesting camera.
APSC camera I don’t liked so I not must thinking at the Crop Factory. But I never tested after the M6, also I can’t not more saying from the M8 or M8,2 or M9.
For 1 yearling I beginning now to finding interest to the M240 and M10.
For the moment for me are interesting the Q2M and the last M10R.
Thanks Cesare!
Thanks for the user experience, now, let me throw some sand into the machine, if you where to buy a Leica ,( like I’m), specific a crop sensor one and your choices were the M8 or the TL2, what would you choose?, thanks.
I can’t answer for the TL2 as I’ve never tried one but I have the CL so close enough. The CL for modern day fast paced professional work and the M8 if you are bored of your current CMOS images.
thanks for the video. is the camera shoot raw+jpg at same time? i am shooting monochorome jpg +raw is it possible with m8?
Sorry for delay.. yes you can (from memory). I started with JPEG+RAW but it was slow so I did DNG only after that.
I am researching Leica cameras and came across your videos. I like a filmic look. My Fuji cameras are great but clinically sharp. Did your images in the video have a preset applied to enhance the filmic look?
Hi Frank, yes the M8 sensor helps give a filmic look but I then apply my Leica M8 LR preset too - mrleica.com/leica-m8-lightroom-presets/
Hi Matt, I agree with you. This camera continues to do its magic today in 2020. I've got one M9 and two M8s. I can't say the M9 is a better camera than the M8. They are different, and getting superb b&w images from a M8 is just a joy.
Thanks! Happy to hear that you enjoy your M8 and M9 too!
Dear Matt, IR filter issues aside, would you reckon the M8 and M9 CCD sensors are rather similar when it comes to color rendition? Or is there still a clear difference? Would you, in hindsight, prefer one over the other, specifically on that topic?
Again, great video!
Hmm that is a very tough question! Partly as I shot mostly B&W and also it was some years ago that I used these cameras side by side. I just remember the M9 was faster and much better if I needed to crop in on a photo due to the larger file size. Sorry I know that doesn't help you.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Still, much appreciated. As I would like to move away from heavy DSLR equipment for most occasions, I am looking into Leica offerings: go really lighter and smaller (M) or partly lighter and smaller but more flexible lens-wise (SL)....? Having found lighter equipment, IQ or, at least, my liking of the IQ is next. There the CCD sensors appear to have real character. But the M's won't take some of my vintage glass which the SL will.... Argh, the dilemma!
@@l.nauwelaerts195 ha yes always a balance! Not one camera is good at everything
@@l.nauwelaerts195 check out the CL! :) I’ve done a few videos and blogs
I'm starting to wish I kept mine... I hate that shutter though. What was Leica thinking?!
BTW you did touch on all the right points. However, you didn't show as many images as I would expect. When you talked about noise, a few examples would have helped.
Thanks Karim, ah yes sorry I should have added some. It was one of my earlier videos so I’m still learning!
I like shutter sound and ccd.
Yes I wish there were more cameras with the CCD sensor! :)
Hi Matt, what are the best batteries to use in the Leica M8, if you don't want any problems, third party vs the original one?!?! Thank again, Matt😊
Hi, there are not many options these days. Google it and see if you can find any M8 batteries (same as M9 battery if searching). I used Leica and non-Leica with no issues but my cheap Leica CL/Q batteries failed.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks, Matt 🤘
As a Pentax user I certainly noticed the difference after the CCD sensors of the K10d and istD were phased out for CMOS. Same reaction as yours...abject disappointment. Unfortunately, those early cameras are long dead. But I get a similar look from the Nikon D2Hs which has a unique Nikon built Jfet sensor and it's even more filmic. However, for a reason I cannot explain, my new z5 when used with my Leica lenses (21mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm, 90mm, 135mm) is now producing the old magic.
Thanks Frank, sounds like you’ve found a winning combo!
Yeah that sensor is something special. I love my m8!
Agreed! I got some really nice shots from mine and they look less digital somehow
Great review Matt. I also had a Nikon D800 which I recently sold to get a Leica M8, still waiting for it in the mail. I always wanted a Leica and I got bored of the chunky DSLR’s.
Congrats Jeffrey!! I think you will love it! :) .. if you need lenses check the lens video playlist!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom btw my M8 has 26k shutter count, I wasn’t aware of the shutter issues with the M8/M9 should I be worried? What’s your M8’s shutter count at and any issues with yours?
@@Jayysam95 Hi I've only ever seen issues with M9 shutters and I part exchanged my M9 for the M240. I know others have mentioned issues with M8 but mine OK.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks a lot Matt that’s very reassuring. Keep up the good work!
Hopefully, I didn’t trade my CL for a m8 after watching this video. It is not the case that m8 is bad but the CL is just more suitable for my work. Thanks for making this video.
Chi Yan Lau Thanks, Did you just see the new Leica CL video!? :). Yes I agree the CL is much more practical in the modern world but then M8 is now unique for exactly the same reason. Both are great to have if you can afford both!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Yes. Tbh, I repeatedly watched your reviews about the Leica body and lens several times because these videos are just too good! Thanks for your good work.
Good video - objective review. So why didn't you keep the M9 instead of the M8?
I part-ex'd the M9 for the M240. It was pretty battered and had issues so was happy to part-ex. I'm not rough with my kit but it had the sensor problem etc.
Do you think M8.2 is better than M9 for black and white photography? How about its lower 10 MP?
Hi Wilfred, yes, no AA filter so it is sharper too. 10MP is fine if you don't need to crop, you will notice more high contrast, less DR vs modern cameras, which can be nice too.
The fact that you mentioned that M8 is not spray and pray camera sealed the deal for me, saw this video not long ago and voila, two days ago new to me M8(absolutely perfect condition!) arrived to my doorstep. And it is exactly as I remember rangefinders from more than 40 years ago, mildly uncomfortable terrible ergonomically thingy that at the end will deliver stunning result every time....
And I want to thank you(and Mattias...) for that! M8 and R-D1 paired with Voigtlander 21mm f4 and 40mm 1.4(you are a godfather for both of them btw....) is now in my bag permanently.
Did you ever tried none M mount lenses on M mount? asking because I have a long line of Pentax legacy and modern lenses(both FF and MF) and knowing that I can't focus using regular M system I'm trying to figure how other photographers using non-native glass, my guess they just kinda focusing roughly and hoping for the best?:):)
Want to thank you one more time for the great reviews you doing, absolutely amazing clearest unbiased guidance line for anyone willing to learn something interesting on the subjects you touching!
Hi congratulations on your M8 and thanks for your kind words! It’s easy to use non-RF lenses on the M240/M10 etc as they have liveview. On the M8/M9 you have to guess so only suitable for wides (for me) 21mm you mention is fine for example. Cheers!
Thank you! I'll try to use laser distance meter just don't think ballpark focusing will help with shallow DOF, I'm really curious to see 55mm 1.4 on M8 and even if it will give me 60 out of 100 it is already money well spent! Thanks again Matt!
@@thek7k5 if you’re going to use with longer lenses also look to get a hotshoe rangefinder. See my Voigtlander Perkeo video. I think I share them in that. Will work on M8. Buy on that shows meters or feet to match the lens you plan to use. Meters I think.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks but I divorced with film(except for Russian Horizon because Widelux is still expensive for just a hobby) and my medium format was always Mamiya and Pentax 645, it is Pentax 645Z now. Thanks for the hotshoe rangefinder idea that looks awesome and easy to use! I just made an offer for one on ebay, might have it soon.
@@thek7k5 nice and no problem
Very nice review, as usual. Do you think that it is worthwhile purchasing the Leica 8.2, which has a quieter shutter and other features, over the Leica 8? Thanks
Thanks Steve! If you need it for street then maybe yes, but if not perhaps no. I never saw a need to upgrade from the M8 to M8.2
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks
@@shy-guy5544 👍🏻
I'm looking at 2 M8's. 1 M8 Used boxed excellent & 1 M8.2 used boxed mint. £1200 - £1875. If the B&W is as good as you suggest it may be a good choice over a B&W M246 or M10 monochrome model.
Hi Alan, check my MrLeica.com M8 blog posts to get a feel for the images and compare to my M240 and CL photos. Then find some Monochrom images too. M8 are more filmic and higher contrast, not 50 shades of grey.
Hi Matt, after watched your RUclips , I just bought M8 on eBay , paid 995 pounds, it comes with box and all paperwork, It has 9000 shutter counts..hope that is good price, I am so exciting about it!!! BTW, What is ur in camera JPEG setting for B&W photography? I meant contrast setting? Really love ur B&W images!! Thank you so much for ur help ! You are the best 👍
Hi Eddie, i'm sorry I missed this and a big congrats for your M8! Yes I use my Leica M8 LR presets on all my images (RAW) - mrleica.com/leica-m8-lightroom-presets/ Happy M8 shooting! :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you so much Matt 🙏
For someone who buys this camera now, what IR cut filter can be used? Any brand reference?
Hi Andre, I think the one I show in the video is still a ‘modern’ filter
Just Bought Mine today. M8 Black Leica Dot and the Voigtlander Ultron 35mm F/2. I already have the Voigtlander Heliar Classic 75mm F/1.8 & the Leica APO - Summicron 90mm F/2.. I have an adapter for Nikon F Glass for the Leica L Mount but now trying to figure which Nikon F adapter to Leica M. Novaflex? Cheers!
Congrats! If Novaflex make them then yes as they are good. I use them. Remember F mount lenses are to scale focus only but I'm sure you know that.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Problem is finding batteries for the camera. Amazon is helpful in most ways in delivering what I need. With new batteries it takes up to 3 hours to fully charge them. That is why I get dummy batteries and have them working on all of my cameras so Ithe external batteries aren't charged and discharged frequently. External Power Banks and 1tb SD cards are a must. I am going to figure out how to do this with the Leica M8 with that darn bottom base plate that I keep missing that hinge to lock it down. Cheers!
If You really want a tiny setup I have bought myself the Nikon J5 and an adapter from Leica M to Nikon 1 CX Mount. There is the V version which has the Viewfinder on the first two versions but the third version have to get the one that goes on the hot shoe which has another shoe on top. It is hard using the LCD screen for focusing that is why I am thinking of the V series. Weight and size. BTW getting a Dummy Battery and already have most of the lenses and a 1tb SD card. 4 camera batteries and I have everything in my small bag that only weighs 5 lbs. Cheers!
CCD vs CMOS: I don't have as much experience as you do, but my personal opinion is that the difference you were mentioning is not because of the type of the sensor, but the manufacturer. I used to shoot Canon / Nikon / Sony cameras, and regardless of the sensor type I found the pictures sterile and boring without filters, while the Fuji's X-trans CMOS sensor has genius colours. Regarding Leica sensor, you are most likely right, cause I don't have any experience with Leica cameras at all
Thanks Daniel, yes I didn’t like the Nikon sensor on the D800 and I don’t like the look of Canon skin tones. (As a wedding shooter we used to shoot Nikon or Canon back then and Canon images were instantly recognizable as Canon. I was the black sheep Nikon boy ha. See my video on the Leica Look as that covers this topic too. CCD vs CMOS is different to brand vs brand but then within Leica CCD is more filmic that CMOS, just less practical most of the time.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom oh ,I see your point, thanks! Do you have any experience with Ricoh CCD vs CMOS (GR digital vs GR)?
@@danielfulop Sorry I don’t but the look we be the same as that I described for Leica relative to each other. I used Hasselblad CCD.
I was about to buy a Fuji camera but this vide might have changed my perspective completely
Great i'm happy if the video 'helped' :)
Merci!
Thanks Guy!! Very much appreciated :) ..Merci!
Hello Matt, I really enjoyed your video ! Very intresting 10 Points evaluation. Last month I bought a black M8. Therefore it gives me a good feeling to hear from you that, at this day, it is still a worthfull purchase. Looking forward to hear more from you ! Greetz, Roger.
Tuftufclub Hi Roger, thanks for the feedback and congratulations to you on you new M8! You will love it I’m sure :) Yes I’ve just done the 10 lens video reviews so next perhaps another camera :)
How do you shoot B&W? set in camera setting or process in computer?
When I first got the M8 and M9 all my Flickr posts are SOOC JPEGs no editing but these days I shoot DNG (RAW) then apply the Leica M8 presets I sell on the MrLeica.com blog
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you. I have M8.2 and love it. Normally I shoot in color but just curious which method will give the best BW from M8, Jpeg BW from camera or Raw then convert later :D
Hi Matt an other M8 lovers, do you consider 30 000 shutter actuations alot as a first purchase ?
For me no but I will let others answer too (someone below has a camera with 185K count as an example!) :)
Hi Matt, great and very informative vidio, Matt. Well It is 2023, and soon to be 2024, and I have decided I want to buy my very first Leica, a Leica M8, which is nearly 18 years old now. they are on MPB for about £1200, and I was just about to snap one up, but the risk factor has started to bother me, there are so many issues with an old M8!?! So would it be a better option for me to purchase a reconditioned Leica M8 from Leica? you would pay more? but would virtually have a new camera on the inside? you get a warranty also, I've no idea how much it will cost but I have my name on a waiting list, for when one comes up. Do you think this is a good option, Matt. Thank you
Thanks! Yes the M8 is a nice cameras. It’s the M9 with the sensor issues. I had no problem with the M8.
Does m8 support latest high uhs ii high speed sdcard?
I only used as "high" as San Disk Extreme Pro with mine. You don't need the latest cards for this camera.
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I know, three years old thread... but perhaps consider using a Ricoh GXR with A12 M mount instead of an M8. It also has no AA filter but a crop factor of 1.5 (even better reach) and a specially made microlense sensor so no funny colors.
Unfortunately discontinued and no rangefinder but if you can give it a try, I'm sure you'll be very presently surprised (especially with the optional EVF!).
Also works great with non-Leica lenses via adapter.
I enjoy using my GXR as a backup/ long reach companion to my 240s.
Having used the GXR for many years before getting my first digital Leica (I used and still use a film M3) I sort of "blame it" for my love of Leica cameras, the quality with M lenses was just too good not to try full frame Leica bodies.
Thanks for sharing and great to hear you enjoy Leicas too!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you Matt for all your very informative videos and reviews, much appreciated 👍
I know the 15mm Super Wide Heliar has this purple fringing on a Sony A7. Does it also show on a Leica M8?
Hello, I shoot mostly B&W photos so I don't see this issue. On a FF M240 yes it has the issue but I think the M8 should be fine as it only uses the centre part of the lens being a crop sensor.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Allright, that 's what I thought too. I'm thinking of buying A Leica M8, so I wondered.
@@jovandevijver9400 Sorry I couldn't give you a specific answer. Maybe search Flickr "M8 + 15mm shots" for examples.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks, no problem.
The M8 still put out beautiful files. I have been using a M6 for 15 years, just got rid of my 1DmkIV and 5dMkIV and got a M8 instead. Go figure. I think the way to go with digital M's is either M8, for it's very special files, or the M10 for the modern capabilitys, skip the ones in the middle.
I think many people reading this will applaud your decision! I totally agree even if I do own some in the middle! :)
Hi everybody,
any advice or link about the SD Card for M8
thank you
Paolo
Hi Paolo, I use San Disk cards. It's an old camera so you don't need fast cards. San Disk Extreme 32GB (gold colour) work as I used them in M8.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hi Matt, thanks for your kind/fast answer. As fan of Leica camera I follow your videos. They are absolutely the best on RUclips. Congratulations ! I decided to buy an M8 after watching your video. It arrived today, from eBay. Fantastic condition ! If you have a suggest about what to read about how to use properly the camera, it will be appreciated. Ciao from Italy