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You had a thumbs up the moment you said, no one is forcing you to use the stage manager function. Personally I am looking forward to having it available. I know that some will never have a use for it but for the people that have a need this is a welcome addition.
Thanks for researching it and coming in with a useful summary, not like most of the YT creators that rushed to get out a review yet were rather clueless on how it worked and that it was developer beta 1! Anyway some of these have come back with a subsequent video to add and correct mistakes they made and that way people get a true understanding, not a biased ill-prepared clickbait video. I agree 100%, Stage Manager is about multitasking which is a big change to how iPads worked pre-iPadOS 16. Now they can have up to eight apps running in the foreground rather than three. This means active, not sleeping, so that is why RAM is the determinator as to whether this can be done on older devices. So for those, like me, with a 4GB 2018 Pro must accept that if I was running eight apps using over 4GB of RAM that it is impossible for Stage Manager to work as designed. Apps will be put to sleep (compressed) but eventually jetsam and we end up with angry users that have lost their work when the RAM ran out. Very few creators have highlighted this, and especially when comments are completely getting the wrong end of the stick by saying the A12X/Z can handle it? Yes they can, though not as smoothly or as well as the M1, but they could not handle the 8 apps if they were pro apps which everyone says why they buy the iPad Pro’s, that we’re geared to max out the 16GB available. Hopefully some sort of second display option can be added but that creates even more issues as Thunderbolt on the M1 can handle 6K whereas USB-C cannot. So Stage Manager is def an M-chip option and though my iPad Pro 2018 would love to have it I understand that 16GB of RAM usage can never go into 4GB so it just isn’t coming for me.
I don’t understand why this feature would not be welcomed with open arms. I’m not a power user by no means, but I use my iPad as my main machine for 95% of what I do daily and I personally can’t wait for Stage Manager. I am fortunate that I upgraded my 1st Gen iPad Pro last year to a M1 11” and I have been nothing less than satisfied since my purchase. I can’t wait to see how many new things can be developed for this current gen hardware.
Probably people expecting too much including myself. Not gonna lie when i first saw it announced i thought we would get the desktop ui that i always hoping for, just like other tablets like Surface Pro or Galaxy tabs with the Dex mode. It's been great that ipad has mouse & keyboard support but the ui as of right now i don't found it to be natural using it, so i thought the stage manager gonna be the ui changer to fit the mouse n keyboard. The most welcome feature of this is the full support of external monitor for different aspect ratio, but i think it's very basic and non m1 ipads should get this support too even without the stage manager. It shouldn't be that hard i mean samsung can make it's phones (even the weaker chip) to support this, no wonder that peoples mad about this. But if we see it on the apple's perspective i kinda get it. They won't go full desktop ui since it's potentially hurt the macbooks sales. They limit to m1 devices only because they want to persuade people to upgrade their ipads.
Thanks for bringing some sanity to this whole discussion. Last year everyone was complaining that the M1 iPad was overpowered and did not take advantage of the M1 processor. Apple delivers on that feedback. Now everyone is complaining that SM is not supported on legacy processors. You can’t have it both ways! Also your points on beta software is spot on. You cannot make a final judgement on software released on day one of beta one!
@UC-som9I8kKY5zqkt_4APtyw How do you know that? You do not have access to any internal testing done by Apple! Or any testing done by anyone for that matter. Non M1 IPad’s have less memory, slower SSD’s (which would slow down memory swapping), less powerful graphics and slower USB C (and no thunderbolt). Fact is, no one will really know.
The Samsung tab S7 can do multiple floating apps easily. The excuse that the old ipads can't is pathetic considering they are supposed to have much higher benchmarking than the tab s7
Stage manager isnt anywhere near taxing enough to make M1 mandatory when samsung can make its phones run Dex mode with weaker hardware. This move is just to drive up M1 iPad sales as something only M1 can do, when in fact what people want is to run some version of MacOS on M1 iPad.
I’m really excited for stage manager on my ipad. To me it’s the next step for my workflow it truly opens up a lot of new possibilities I agree that it is a game changer for the ipad and its future. Although I can understand how people are upset for it not coming to all ipads I also can see where apple is coming from and what they are trying to build. Awesome video btw.
I'm so happy that I upgraded to the M1 12.9" iPad Pro when I did. I'm very excited for Stage Manager when iPadOS 16 launches. And it feels like my M1 iPad Pro is finally becoming worth it. Won't be upgrading it for a while especially since the M1 is already overkill and if all the M2 is offering is a speed bump (that won't really be seen on already streamlined iPadOS) and MagSafe charging, I think I'll wait until there's an actual killer feature before I upgrade my iPad again.
Finally someone to speak out my thoughts. More options are always great and last year everybody cried that the M1 doesn‘t make sense because there are no extra features which use the power of it. Now when Stage Manager is restricted to M1, everybody cry because lower-end iPad didn‘t get the feature.
I love the way you put all this: No one is forcing you to use it. Just because one person sees no need for it, doesn't make it useless. Options are a beautiful thing, and they are always welcome in my book, as long as those options are simply presented and easy to switch between (which Apple does wonderfully here). I use my iPad for about 90% of my work (illustration). Knowing that I can soon be able to use all these multi-tasking features (stage manager, dual-screen compatibility) on the same device makes me so happy.
1:45 I'm sure smiling Chris. Love the new additions to iPadOS16. Can't wait to try them on my M1 iPad Pro which replaced my MBP and runs both my real estate businesses. And oh yeah, I love Paperlike also. Great video bud!
You can’t say “isn’t it great how SM is an optional thing that gives people more choices!” And then later on say “well you really don’t want a sub par performance SM do you.” I’m sorry I thought customer choice and freedom is important? I also type all this from my M1 iPad Pro so this isn’t just me ranting for myself; I genuinely feel awful for those that only got an iPad two years ago that can’t get access to ANY version of SM.
As someone that uses an iPad Pro as my on the go computer and a M1 Mac mini in my home studio I was ecstatic about this feature. Also love how MacOS and iPadOS also are becoming a bit more cohesive with shared features like SM which is why it’s surprising people are not more welcoming of this.
G’day mate 👋 I just watched your video live and I’m watching it again right after. I think a man like you should be on the Genius Bar podcast as a guest. You are a wise man.
I'm always excited about new iPad features but the thing is, when I'm not writing music with SymphonyPro, I only use my iPad as a TV to watch my shows while working on my iMac. I wish I needed all the sophisticated new capabilities but sadly I don't
So glad to hear more about Stage Manager--user of split screen, multiple slide overs since its been available and this gives me more options. Changes in life means I no longer use a large monitor nor use my Macbook Pro much. My M1 12.9 Pro is my main computer now (it is my third 12.9-hadn't planned to buy the M1 but.....and I've had an Ipad since 2 weeks after the first was introduced--even though at that time I was still using a custom Windows machine with a large Wacom graphics tablet). And--the big thing is--you don't have to use it if you don't want to--most don't even use split screen or slideover I have a feeling.
But seriously, I try to use Stage Manager. I really like the idea of plugging my personal iPad Pro into my external LG display sitting next to my work MacBook Pro and letting universal control to slide my iPad’s mouse over to my MacBook Pro when I need to do something over there. Really slick - when it works. Stage Manager’s strip is SO inconsistent. And I need to count on TWO HANDS the number of times that my iPad has restarted when using stage manager and external display in the past 30 minutes. I’m not really pushing anything right now - Safari, Messages, Apple Music, simple stuff - and it crashes. One day maybe.
Is full screen display on ext monitor tied to stage manager or is it a separate feature? If so, any thoughts about giving full screen ext monitor support to non m1 iPads but reserving stage manager for the m1s ?
I agree with you like I’ve been using it for a week now and I love it and I love that it’s an option you can turn on and off stage manager FTW it’s amazing and way better and fluid
First, props to Chris posting this so early in the morning. On the substance, I am super hyped about getting to try out Stage Manager in the fall, and trying it with the external display support. One question - if I'm using an UW monitor, what does the external display look like? A weird, stretched out version of the "Stage"? Black bars on the side?
Hello, I noticed in some videos that in iPadOS 16, in the iCloud Drive location, you can take offline not only individual files, but entire folders, or only bring back online a folder already downloaded locally, as we already do on Macs. Can you kindly confirm that this new function exists? Thank you
I agree 1000% with everything you said in this video. I have the 11” M1 pro, and i guess if I had 4 windows side by side that would be a bit to small to work with. Also if i had an iPad without the M1 chip like my partners 11”pro2018, i think i would not want a LITE version of stage manager. (I know i have the M1, so what does it matter!) still I think Apple are making the right move by only offering it to M1 iPads for the best experience. Looking forward to iPadOS 16 more than ios 16. This year i have decided to not beta test on my iPad, as i want to wait until it is finally ready. More suspense i guess.
Omg! thank you for this!!! I couldn’t agree with you more… I am super happy with stage manager and think it looks very interesting and promising.. and to be able to use it with apple’s wonderful buttery smooth ways is going to be great. I don’t get why so many people are crapping all over it. To me it seems perfect and better than expected way to manage windows. I feel some people had a specific thing in mind of what they were hoping apple would release and this is just different so they are being negative. I continue to support apple and most of their moves.. yea there are some mistakes nobody is perfect but I’m glad to live in a time to experience what apple has to offer and use it all in my daily routine. I have continued to try and go to windows world multiple times a year just out of curiosity, and although I am impressed with windows over the old days… and it runs great… there is just nothing that beats the mac and apple ecosystem and the user experience
Just upgraded from the 2020 pro to the m1 pro a few days ago, as I needed more storage. Didn’t even know stage manager wouldn’t be available on the 2020 pro, must be annoying for those who can’t get the m1 or don’t want to…
Can I use my Smart Keyboard folio + Magic Trackpad 2 setup to activate full screen external display? I ask to almost every video about iOS16...no answer. Thanks for the video btw!
i had the iPad Pro 11 (2018). This just proves that Apple's long term updates are useless. Selfish M1 iPad users: "too bad" response to everyone else. Well I was lucky to sell my iPad and waiting for the M2 iPad Pro.
I am taking part in the Developer Beta for iPad OS 16 and I Love Stage Manager but I don’t have a USB C external display so it seams to not work how i could hope they fix that as the beta goes on
First, thanks for your work! And second just a couple of similar questions that may be answered with a simple “yes” or “no”: Can we use the Studio Display webcam for facetime when connected to the iPad (with the iPad OS 16, of course)? Can we use the iPhone as a webcam too for facetime calls on top of the iPad in landscape position, like they showed with a MacBook (just to avoid the weird side-looking-iPad-facetime-calls) Thanks again!
I hear that the base model of iPad Air 5 lacks memory swap feature despite being a requirement for running stage manager. I also read an article which says that the iPad Air 5 can still run stage manager without memory swap. I am really confused whether I should buy the 64gb model or not.
15:49 You just sound like a fanboy at this point. Like seriously? You don’t think the A12Z or A12X can run Stage Manager? If you don’t remember, in WWDC 2020 when Apple first announced that they were switching the Mac to Apple silicon, they showed COMPLETE MacOS Big Sur on an A12Z. With all the windows, applications and everything. It is clear to everyone but some apparent fanboys like you that the line Apple is drawing shouldn’t exist. No hate towards you Chris, love your vids.
An A12Z inside a Mac Mini, not an iPad. Different enclosures result in different thermal constraints, just like the M1 Macbook Air is less powerful than the M1 Macbook Pro, even though the processor is exactly the same.
@@mariano7107 different/worse thermals does not mean a feature as simple as FLOATING WINDOWS cannot be supported. And besides, the iPad is already WAY more optimised than the Mac, so it doesn't even NEED that much cooling. And your point about the M1 in the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, there isn't even that much of a difference between the two performance-wise.
I'm an elementary school teacher. I use my iPad streaming to an Apple TV that's connected to a monitor. Will stage manager see the Apple TV as a separate monitor, as long as I have it connected to a keyboard and mouse?
Exactly. The multi year support is as great as it’s ever been, and way better than most other manufacturers. Yes, some models don’t get all the features. This has happened before several times and will happen again. Sometimes they have to draw the line somewhere and no matter where they do, some devices will end up on one side and some on the other.
I am using the beta version on my 11” M1 Pro. Let’s just say, I want more. There’s still so much you cannot do with the iPad, with such a powerful chip, you should be able to do more. My eyes lit up with hope when watching the presentation for stage manager, however, when using the beta, acknowledging the bugs, the experience was MEH! A few months ago, I gave up on the iPad, switched to the Tab S8+ and am very happy with the Dex skin on the device. I can do so much more for my needs. Maybe wait till next WWDC.
Very informative thanks Chris. I think the iPadOS and iOS software is already way ahead of MacOS e.g I wish the Mac could display multiple instances of Reminders side-by-side like you can in iOS and simply drag-and-drop. But, I wish iPadOS Apple notes could adjust style, font and font colour like you can in macOS (is this still the case with iPadOS 16?)
See Chris you think in logical and thought out ways. The world just loves to complain even with an unfinished beta product. Unfortunately negativity gets clicks. You’re a pioneer of the new way to browse. Let’s look for positive clicks and uplifting news.
i have tested it on macbook and i dont really see the point on how to get any advantage while using it. in fact as it uses the left side of the screen it gets in the way when you want to see more things at a time
I welcome the improvements in iPad OS 16, especially Stage Manager, but I am still disappointed because I don't think Apple went far enough. My M1 12.9-inch iPad Pro with 16GB RAM, 2TB storage and magic keyboard has become my daily driver. My 2019 13-inch MacBook Pro with same amounts of RAM and storage rarely get used these days, except for compiling the odd piece of iPad OS software to sideload on my iPad, run a VM or use bootcamp. In fact, I will never buy another Mac OS laptop, because I need a mobile computing device to have a touch display with pen support. Stage Manager will really help my workflow because I was recently doing some research work on my iPad Pro, and split screen, plus a slide over window and quick note didn't give me enough screen real estate, and additionally I had to use my sixth gen iPad Mini alongside my iPad Pro to give me access to the extra app I needed, and then use iCloud to keep everything synchronised. With Stage Manager the improved second monitor support will resolve most of my iPad OS multitasking requirements. Why am I disappointed? My iPad Pro is still not a standalone mobile computing device, because I need to carry around a Raspberry Pi 4 configured as a headless USB-C gadget in my iPad Pro case. The iPad powers and is the GUI for the PI 4 connecting via ethernet over a single USB-C cable, and the Pi 4 does all the things that my iPad Pro can't, such as format external drives, clone SD cards, compile C++ code, run emulators and all for a 40th of the iPad's cost. What a ludicrous position to be in when my iPad Pro has so much raw performance going spare! Many of these things Apple could fix in a heart bit, like add some Pro iPad OS upgrade options for those users with M1 iPads who want them. The question is will they, or will I eventually need to migrate away from Apple's ecosystem because I need more functionality from my iPad Pro / touch screen mobile computing device and are less concerned over how pretty and polished the end-user experience is.
I just traded up over Swappa my 12.9 2020 for the M1 12.9 so I could enjoy this update when it drops. I WFH and having a true extended display is gonna make it hard to use my gaming pc for normal work stuff.
Idk, a Mac mini was released to developers with an A14 chip that ran full macOS so there really isn’t any reason a pre M1 chip can run this. You can’t tell me an A14 can run macOS but not this. I have a 2020 iPad Pro as a main device because they last so long and I got 2 years before it was essentially obsolete. I spent like 2k on this thing. So naturally I’m still suspicious and displeased. The big update to iPadOS 16 was this, nothing else is a major update or really all that interesting. This was a unique addition that finally brought real monitor support and now my 2k device isn’t getting it but a Mac mini with the same chip from years ago had no issue with much more complicated software. I call BS
Great video. You’re being too reasonable. Many RUclipsrs make their numbers finding things to complain about to Apple haters. Thanks for an informative and balanced explanation on the upcoming new feature.
I am confused. You talk about iPad pros without M1 chips or M2 not being able to use stage manager. I have a 2020 GEN four and I am able to use stage manager. My model number is A2229. I looked it up to be sure and I can use stage manager. From my experience, I don’t have any M chip iPad Pro. So my question is why is everyone saying you can’t?
Tbh, I completely agree with the other guy...Stage Manager is a mess. Even if you take into account that it is in beta, the fact is Apple is not going to radically change it before prime time. Being in beta means is 95% ready for prime time. The UI looks cool, but with the current line up of Apple iPads, the screen real-estate does not justify the UI changes, too much wasted space and its cluttered. For external display, sure...but not everyone is going to do that. Most people that already have an external display already have a desktop setup, so it really seems redundant unless you are trying to draw on a bigger screen or something like that. I think if anything people might build their setups around this feature, however its not even close to refined yet in my book. Apple does a lot of things right, and a lot of things wrong...but I can see the potencial for this in the future.
Thanks for being so positive, I’m nervous of this new system, I have the M1 ipadPro 1TB cellular so at least I’m prepared. I was sad when I first upgraded because I thought there was no features for it, so now I can be happy, I bought an M1 Mack book 13” so I could do video editing and uploading to RUclips, I want to create my own channel and the iPad can’t do everything I want it to, which makes me sad, the MacBook is still sealed in the box for 5 months waiting for me to get around to opening it it’s just that it’s 256 GB and I think I want to upgrade it to more memory, I have 24,000 photos on my iPad and I’m afraid I’ll eat up all that MacBooks space, can you upgrade a MacBook memory or do you have to trade it? If I could add more memory I’ll do that. Maybe I’ll learn how to use external storage as well.
I”m going to love the multi-tasking available to me using my iPad and Mac-pro. 🎉 Mark is not a multi-tasker and is unable to use multi-layers of work content
Stage manager in its current incarnation honestly is confusing. I see the vision but it's confusing. For example, with the Mac, you have the option of grouping several windows together in different spaces. So let's say you're on space #1 with 3 windows open. When you pull up mission control from within space #1, it shows all open windows from all spaces, not just the ones that are open in space #1. It's a bit jarring because the whole reason for stage manager is for decluttering your work flow into separate spaces of windows. So why does mission control not reflect this principle, and only show the windows that are open within the context of the current space you're in, with the option of showing all open windows with an additional gesture or button? Also, mission control currently has no conception of which space a window is in, it just blobs everything together in one big confusing mess. The reason why it is so confusing and this may be what Mark from Bloomberg is alluding to is, the current implementation seems to be siloed. It feels like the stage manager people did their own thing and the mission control people did their own thing, and the two are just jammed together into one system called macOS. But they're not cooptimized to work with each other. It's confusing. It's almost like why does stage manager exist, what is it doing there? IF the goal is to partition and separate windows into different spaces, then all of the macOS window management functions like mission control etc. need to respect and reflect that partition. Otherwise the result is confusion. I honestly had to turn off stage manager at first because it didn't make sense. The other confusing thing about stage manager on the iPad is why don't windows have the traffic lights as in macOS? As it stands, Apple added overlapping windows, but there's no one click solution (like exists on Mac and Windows and Linux for decades) to minimize, maximize, or close a window. These are basic window management tasks that are inexplicably missing from Stage Manager. So if you want to minimize a window you have to do a gesture. The same if you want to close a window. It is confusing. I get the vision, but it seems more like a science project or tech demo of what's possible rather than a smooth cohesive well-thought-out well-oiled window management machine. I also think the sadder part is that Apple doesn't allow developers to develop their own window management solution. Don't like stage manager? Ok, develop an app for that. The app could be distributed through the App Store, apple could review it, and then users would have their choice, and may the best window manager win. Just my opinion. Thanks for your time.
@UC198A7K34nbWDhslxiAtv5Q with older versions of macOS, and including Ventura, you can have multiple desktops. And you can swipe between them. For sake of this conversation I refer to them as desktops. Mission control only shows the Windows from each desktop. This makes sense. But let's take stage manager, within the context of the same desktop. With stage manager, you can have multiple groups of Windows. To get to a different group of Windows, you just click on the thumbnail in stage manager and it will switch between your windows. So let's say I have two groups of Windows (or spaces as I call it). Let's say group 1 has safari and notes open. And group 2 (or space 2) has the terminal and messages open. When I activate space 1 with safari and notes, the Windows on space 2 (terminal and messages) are out of sight and out of mind. So if I activate mission control from space 1, I'm not expecting to see terminal and messages pop up too. But they all look up in mission control. So it's like you said, currently mission control respects different desktops. It only shows Windows that are open on a given desktop. But it doesn't respect the spaces within stage manager. It shows every window that is opened. It's a bit confusing. It's hard to explain via text without showing a demo but hopefully I am clear about what I mean.
Chris - Great vid, especially the answers to the burning questions at the end. I didn't download the developer betas this year because I have too much critical work this summer and could not afford the expected beta challenges; although I've heard these betas have been pretty stable from the outset. So I appreciate that you are trying out all the edge cases and getting the answers to us. Also, thanks for honoring the NDA. I hope you and your channel are rewarded for your integrity. May seem like a small thing in the RUclips race to be first with a scoop or a hot take, but those who do things the right often soar to the highest of heights. (I'm an IP trial lawyer so it's nice to know that people are giving thought to these things.)
I was looking forward to stage manager but my iPad pro 12 inch doesn't have the M1 chip and nor does my MacBook Pro, so I feel I'll be missing out even though my products are not particularly old (MacBook was bought 2 months before the rollout in the UK when I'd had my iPad for 8 months). I will not be upgrading anytime soon (as in years), but at least when I do get it, all the bugs will have gone or they'll be onto the next feature.
I don’t think it would be good for iPadOS or iPad users for stage manager to run on old devices. For one, making sure it can run on older iPads would hold the software back, which isn’t cool. Also, as a non-M1 iPad owner (iPad mini 6 woo), I would rather get the full 5-7 years of support without stage manager than have them say that I can get stage manager now but my support gets kicked next year or whatever. If you’re like me dying to replace your laptop with the versatility of the iPad, unfortunately you’ll just need to shell out for a new one. I’ve had my iPad mini for less than a year and hold no resentments to Apple for needing to upgrade because sometimes if you want nice things you just need to buy them
I personally think that it’s too early for multi tasking. The technology just isn’t there yet. Until then computers should only concentrate on single tasks. We need to wait for super computers to become available in an iPad format before this functionality trickles down.
I don’t think this video aged too well. At this point in time Apple allowed stage manager on the A12x and z. And yes those chips have more GPU cores but the chips are very comparable in speed and power to the A13-A15 bionic chips and they decided to skip all of those chips. Which shows they’re trying to limit features that should be able to run on every iPad strictly to iPad pros and the new air.
Don’t forget, they held onto the Apple Watch Series 3 for YEARS past it’s prime in order to offer users an entry into the Apple ecosystem. Apple wants to make money. Dozens of articles and videos later, and I’m still not convinced that this is anything more than a ploy to get people to upgrade to the M series chips. If stage manager on an A series chip doesn’t offer the level of performance that is up to Apple’s standards, than they need to find someone who can write a better program.
I still have the watch series 3 from launch and it’s garbage with todays software. That’s literally a perfect example of why tech should be upgraded like any other hardware / device component for new user interactivity and improvements / development. Spitting out code to run things doesn’t mean it’s smooth and user friendly and the right choice. It literally is done with emulators for example and they do not run too well. Hackintosh’s that get by but aren’t as solid as the real OS Mac would offer. Patches or updates ruin things and so do just writing up code / development teams spending time on hardware for modern tech. Truly, it hinders performance and overall users ability to enjoy their tech when going backwards. It’s nice when given but certain things have to be passed on and onwards.
Great video! Thanks. I personally can’t wait to use Stage Manager, even if it’s only on my M1 Pro MBP-once Ventura is released. That said, I have no intention of buying an M1 iPad Pro to put beta software on it. And, by the time iPad OS 16 is released, I’ll be waiting to see what new hardware is also released. So, AAPL shot themselves in the foot . If I could have tried Stage Manager out on my 2018 iPad Pro and found that I like it and that it is stable, I might well have ignored common sense and bought year-old tech rather than waiting for the new models.
I think there will be challenges. The ones who use the stage manager and those who not. I don’t think this will be a leap of productivity. In small windows you can’t work. You can switch easily, but when you want begin to work, stage manager is useless. Uses a lot of screen. You will have to jump again to old school screen. That is one step more, not less. If you want to see apps, ok. If you want to work in those apps, is useless. Option is good, though.
I wonder when apple is going to surpass android on features. Multi-tasking on the galaxy s series tablets has been there for years. I use my iPad Air for my business but I kinda wish I would’ve stayed with android. One charger for s22 and galaxy s8 and iPad Air but I have to use a apple lightning one too. Too much clutter lugging around.
I have the Samsung tab s7 plus and I tested out the dex. My conclusion is that I hate it with a passion. Responsiveness and flow feels very slow, the app are not as optimised, the UI is very ugly with big window bezels sticking out, the touch UI capabilities were disabled reminding me on Windows UI for touch which is a terrible tablet experience, and my main issue with it is it was trying it to replicate a desktop. And the thing for me is that by doing so, I got a worse desktop experience and it made me want to stop using it and move to an actual computer. Instead of making the tablet experience more productive and better, they abandoned it and created a worse desktop experience which made me want to use my main computer instead. They didn’t merge it with the existing tablet UI which I think is fine, you literally have to reboot the system. Its the same design principle as their foldable phones, a phone trying to be a tablet and phone but never reaching the full potential of both. Their foldable phone is a worse phone because of how thick it is to use and it’s worse a tablet by having a big bulge in the middle which creates image distortion in that area. In regards to multitasking without going to dex, I would say it’s way worse than what iPad has at the moment. I stopped using it because of how unergonomic it is. My biggest multitasking workflow is the ability to open a new windows while I’m using the app and the only way I’ve found to do it is to use the small slide bar on the right and then drag another app onto it, just like the iPad prior to iPadOS 15 did. In iPadOS15, I could literally just slide from the top middle, it will open my home page and I can just easily tap on another app or even you use spotlight to find that app, and it will automatically open it in split screen. Very ergonomic. Now to why I prefer the direction Apple is going with stage manager over the Dex. As mentioned before, the Dex provided with a worse desktop experience and made me want to go with my computer. What stage manager is doing is not providing a desktop experience to us but expanding on the capability of the tablet experience and increase multitasking within that domain. Every UI elements are still based around touch, it didn’t sacrifice where you’re required to use a keyboard to properly use that functionality. Instead of creating a Desktop experience, which will automatically be worse than the ones we already have, they improved the tablet experience to make multitasking even more accessible and without having to reboot into another mode. I won’t speak on the flow and quality of the feature considering it’s still beta 1 and still very buggy, but at least they didn’t put “MacOS” on the iPad which I’m highly against unlike Samsung Tab S7 literally putting a worse version of Windows/Linux on theirs. Basically for me, I prefer less features but they are quality features that flows well and is not gonna be drowned out by other features, over putting features just to tick a box and advertise that they have this, even if the feature they added is really bad. Different ideology between apple and android and I prefer the former hence why I also have a iPhone. Simple, easily accessible, not as customisable but I’m perfectly fine with it because of the great UX it gives me
when you buy a product you’re buying it for what it can do right now, not what possibly can come out in the future especially when nothing was promised in detail or announced.
The problem with the stage manager controversy compared to the examples your brought up is that all of those things are based on hardware, not software. Bring stage manager to iPad pro 2/4! Maybe it's a buggy mess or maybe it doesn't have monitor support, but either way people would be happier. I think people would be more excepting of this philosophy if apple actually tried to bring it to a12z bionic instead of just saying it's impossible. Currently, they sound like a Karen saying what they are doing is fine when everyone else says that it's not. Try, and if it doesn't work, fine. But at least you tried to do what was right (also besides the fact that developers literally put stage manager on iPad pro without m1 and it worked perfectly fine🤦♂️🤬🤬¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
terrible decision by Apple. How much difference between 6GB and 8GB. A 10 year old Mac could do multitasking. People are not upgrading because Apple offers no great hardware features in their new iPad. And no Pro software to fully utilise the chipset. Then they decided to limit the older ipad which is capable to running new software feature. Also a 6GB A12Z ipad cannot support full 4K display?
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You had a thumbs up the moment you said, no one is forcing you to use the stage manager function. Personally I am looking forward to having it available. I know that some will never have a use for it but for the people that have a need this is a welcome addition.
I'm super excited about this (especially with the new Display Zoom option)
Thanks for researching it and coming in with a useful summary, not like most of the YT creators that rushed to get out a review yet were rather clueless on how it worked and that it was developer beta 1! Anyway some of these have come back with a subsequent video to add and correct mistakes they made and that way people get a true understanding, not a biased ill-prepared clickbait video.
I agree 100%, Stage Manager is about multitasking which is a big change to how iPads worked pre-iPadOS 16. Now they can have up to eight apps running in the foreground rather than three. This means active, not sleeping, so that is why RAM is the determinator as to whether this can be done on older devices. So for those, like me, with a 4GB 2018 Pro must accept that if I was running eight apps using over 4GB of RAM that it is impossible for Stage Manager to work as designed. Apps will be put to sleep (compressed) but eventually jetsam and we end up with angry users that have lost their work when the RAM ran out. Very few creators have highlighted this, and especially when comments are completely getting the wrong end of the stick by saying the A12X/Z can handle it? Yes they can, though not as smoothly or as well as the M1, but they could not handle the 8 apps if they were pro apps which everyone says why they buy the iPad Pro’s, that we’re geared to max out the 16GB available.
Hopefully some sort of second display option can be added but that creates even more issues as Thunderbolt on the M1 can handle 6K whereas USB-C cannot. So Stage Manager is def an M-chip option and though my iPad Pro 2018 would love to have it I understand that 16GB of RAM usage can never go into 4GB so it just isn’t coming for me.
I don’t understand why this feature would not be welcomed with open arms. I’m not a power user by no means, but I use my iPad as my main machine for 95% of what I do daily and I personally can’t wait for Stage Manager. I am fortunate that I upgraded my 1st Gen iPad Pro last year to a M1 11” and I have been nothing less than satisfied since my purchase. I can’t wait to see how many new things can be developed for this current gen hardware.
Probably people expecting too much including myself. Not gonna lie when i first saw it announced i thought we would get the desktop ui that i always hoping for, just like other tablets like Surface Pro or Galaxy tabs with the Dex mode. It's been great that ipad has mouse & keyboard support but the ui as of right now i don't found it to be natural using it, so i thought the stage manager gonna be the ui changer to fit the mouse n keyboard.
The most welcome feature of this is the full support of external monitor for different aspect ratio, but i think it's very basic and non m1 ipads should get this support too even without the stage manager. It shouldn't be that hard i mean samsung can make it's phones (even the weaker chip) to support this, no wonder that peoples mad about this.
But if we see it on the apple's perspective i kinda get it. They won't go full desktop ui since it's potentially hurt the macbooks sales. They limit to m1 devices only because they want to persuade people to upgrade their ipads.
Thanks for bringing some sanity to this whole discussion. Last year everyone was complaining that the M1 iPad was overpowered and did not take advantage of the M1 processor. Apple delivers on that feedback. Now everyone is complaining that SM is not supported on legacy processors. You can’t have it both ways! Also your points on beta software is spot on. You cannot make a final judgement on software released on day one of beta one!
@UC-som9I8kKY5zqkt_4APtyw How do you know that? You do not have access to any internal testing done by Apple! Or any testing done by anyone for that matter. Non M1 IPad’s have less memory, slower SSD’s (which would slow down memory swapping), less powerful graphics and slower USB C (and no thunderbolt). Fact is, no one will really know.
I’ve been thinking the same thing.
The Samsung tab S7 can do multiple floating apps easily. The excuse that the old ipads can't is pathetic considering they are supposed to have much higher benchmarking than the tab s7
Stage manager isnt anywhere near taxing enough to make M1 mandatory when samsung can make its phones run Dex mode with weaker hardware.
This move is just to drive up M1 iPad sales as something only M1 can do, when in fact what people want is to run some version of MacOS on M1 iPad.
Came from the future just to tell you that older iPads will have this feature in iPadOS 16😅😅😅
I’m really excited for stage manager on my ipad. To me it’s the next step for my workflow it truly opens up a lot of new possibilities I agree that it is a game changer for the ipad and its future. Although I can understand how people are upset for it not coming to all ipads I also can see where apple is coming from and what they are trying to build. Awesome video btw.
True, at the cost of screen real estate. I don't want to give up screen space with my already small screen. Nuts!
I'm so happy that I upgraded to the M1 12.9" iPad Pro when I did. I'm very excited for Stage Manager when iPadOS 16 launches. And it feels like my M1 iPad Pro is finally becoming worth it. Won't be upgrading it for a while especially since the M1 is already overkill and if all the M2 is offering is a speed bump (that won't really be seen on already streamlined iPadOS) and MagSafe charging, I think I'll wait until there's an actual killer feature before I upgrade my iPad again.
Finally someone to speak out my thoughts. More options are always great and last year everybody cried that the M1 doesn‘t make sense because there are no extra features which use the power of it. Now when Stage Manager is restricted to M1, everybody cry because lower-end iPad didn‘t get the feature.
I love the way you put all this: No one is forcing you to use it. Just because one person sees no need for it, doesn't make it useless. Options are a beautiful thing, and they are always welcome in my book, as long as those options are simply presented and easy to switch between (which Apple does wonderfully here). I use my iPad for about 90% of my work (illustration). Knowing that I can soon be able to use all these multi-tasking features (stage manager, dual-screen compatibility) on the same device makes me so happy.
I like the camera setup. I feels like we are sitting across the table from you in the room and you are speaking directly to us.
1:45 I'm sure smiling Chris. Love the new additions to iPadOS16. Can't wait to try them on my M1 iPad Pro which replaced my MBP and runs both my real estate businesses. And oh yeah, I love Paperlike also. Great video bud!
You can’t say “isn’t it great how SM is an optional thing that gives people more choices!” And then later on say “well you really don’t want a sub par performance SM do you.”
I’m sorry I thought customer choice and freedom is important?
I also type all this from my M1 iPad Pro so this isn’t just me ranting for myself; I genuinely feel awful for those that only got an iPad two years ago that can’t get access to ANY version of SM.
My 2020 iPad pro is still a new product that I expect OS updates for and expect to be up to date for at least 4 years...
Thank you !
My blood pressure is already lowering since listening to you this morning vs. others.
I love the MOFT case to keep my pencil from being lost. Prior case it kept getting knocked off.
Movies on full screen (external) and doing other things on the iPad??? That’s the dream ❤
So in order to use Stage Manager I need to discard my Gen 9 iPad and but a new even mor expensive iPad with a M-1 or 2 Chip?
As someone that uses an iPad Pro as my on the go computer and a M1 Mac mini in my home studio I was ecstatic about this feature. Also love how MacOS and iPadOS also are becoming a bit more cohesive with shared features like SM which is why it’s surprising people are not more welcoming of this.
Outstanding stuff. Always appreciate your measured, meticulous breakdowns.
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I'm always excited about new iPad features but the thing is, when I'm not writing music with SymphonyPro, I only use my iPad as a TV to watch my shows while working on my iMac. I wish I needed all the sophisticated new capabilities but sadly I don't
This is what you are the best at, providing a fair assessment of the tech keep it up.
So the apps in background are still working?? For example lumafusion is capable of processing a video when it's on the sidebar?
So glad to hear more about Stage Manager--user of split screen, multiple slide overs since its been available and this gives me more options. Changes in life means I no longer use a large monitor nor use my Macbook Pro much. My M1 12.9 Pro is my main computer now (it is my third 12.9-hadn't planned to buy the M1 but.....and I've had an Ipad since 2 weeks after the first was introduced--even though at that time I was still using a custom Windows machine with a large Wacom graphics tablet). And--the big thing is--you don't have to use it if you don't want to--most don't even use split screen or slideover I have a feeling.
But seriously, I try to use Stage Manager. I really like the idea of plugging my personal iPad Pro into my external LG display sitting next to my work MacBook Pro and letting universal control to slide my iPad’s mouse over to my MacBook Pro when I need to do something over there. Really slick - when it works. Stage Manager’s strip is SO inconsistent. And I need to count on TWO HANDS the number of times that my iPad has restarted when using stage manager and external display in the past 30 minutes. I’m not really pushing anything right now - Safari, Messages, Apple Music, simple stuff - and it crashes. One day maybe.
Is full screen display on ext monitor tied to stage manager or is it a separate feature? If so, any thoughts about giving full screen ext monitor support to non m1 iPads but reserving stage manager for the m1s ?
Will this work on my 2018 iPad Pro?😭
I agree with you like I’ve been using it for a week now and I love it and I love that it’s an option you can turn on and off stage manager FTW it’s amazing and way better and fluid
First, props to Chris posting this so early in the morning. On the substance, I am super hyped about getting to try out Stage Manager in the fall, and trying it with the external display support. One question - if I'm using an UW monitor, what does the external display look like? A weird, stretched out version of the "Stage"? Black bars on the side?
I think this may have been answered in "UW monitors are supported" - I'm guessing everything looks totally normal (somehow) on the UW monitor.
Hello, I noticed in some videos that in iPadOS 16, in the iCloud Drive location, you can take offline not only individual files, but entire folders, or only bring back online a folder already downloaded locally, as we already do on Macs. Can you kindly confirm that this new function exists? Thank you
I agree 1000% with everything you said in this video. I have the 11” M1 pro, and i guess if I had 4 windows side by side that would be a bit to small to work with. Also if i had an iPad without the M1 chip like my partners 11”pro2018, i think i would not want a LITE version of stage manager. (I know i have the M1, so what does it matter!) still I think Apple are making the right move by only offering it to M1 iPads for the best experience. Looking forward to iPadOS 16 more than ios 16. This year i have decided to not beta test on my iPad, as i want to wait until it is finally ready. More suspense i guess.
are they going to drop the m2 iPad soon?
can you use stage manger on windows ?
via wired or wireless connection to a laptop ?
Omg! thank you for this!!! I couldn’t agree with you more… I am super happy with stage manager and think it looks very interesting and promising.. and to be able to use it with apple’s wonderful buttery smooth ways is going to be great. I don’t get why so many people are crapping all over it. To me it seems perfect and better than expected way to manage windows. I feel some people had a specific thing in mind of what they were hoping apple would release and this is just different so they are being negative. I continue to support apple and most of their moves.. yea there are some mistakes nobody is perfect but I’m glad to live in a time to experience what apple has to offer and use it all in my daily routine. I have continued to try and go to windows world multiple times a year just out of curiosity, and although I am impressed with windows over the old days… and it runs great… there is just nothing that beats the mac and apple ecosystem and the user experience
Just upgraded from the 2020 pro to the m1 pro a few days ago, as I needed more storage. Didn’t even know stage manager wouldn’t be available on the 2020 pro, must be annoying for those who can’t get the m1 or don’t want to…
Apple open availability to have stage manager work on the A12X and A12Z model iPadPro
Can I use my Smart Keyboard folio + Magic Trackpad 2 setup to activate full screen external display? I ask to almost every video about iOS16...no answer. Thanks for the video btw!
i had the iPad Pro 11 (2018). This just proves that Apple's long term updates are useless. Selfish M1 iPad users: "too bad" response to everyone else. Well I was lucky to sell my iPad and waiting for the M2 iPad Pro.
I am taking part in the Developer Beta for iPad OS 16 and I Love Stage Manager but I don’t have a USB C external display so it seams to not work how i could hope they fix that as the beta goes on
Does iPadOS 16 bring optimized battery charging to the iPad???
No
@@adeyinkasokunbi8132 Thanks. For some reason Apple seems to think the iPad doesn’t need battery health features…
Can you open app on external display and open the same app on ipad ?
First, thanks for your work! And second just a couple of similar questions that may be answered with a simple “yes” or “no”: Can we use the Studio Display webcam for facetime when connected to the iPad (with the iPad OS 16, of course)? Can we use the iPhone as a webcam too for facetime calls on top of the iPad in landscape position, like they showed with a MacBook (just to avoid the weird side-looking-iPad-facetime-calls) Thanks again!
no.
I hear that the base model of iPad Air 5 lacks memory swap feature despite being a requirement for running stage manager. I also read an article which says that the iPad Air 5 can still run stage manager without memory swap. I am really confused whether I should buy the 64gb model or not.
better take 256 one 64 is for very light use anyway
15:49 You just sound like a fanboy at this point. Like seriously? You don’t think the A12Z or A12X can run Stage Manager?
If you don’t remember, in WWDC 2020 when Apple first announced that they were switching the Mac to Apple silicon, they showed COMPLETE MacOS Big Sur on an A12Z. With all the windows, applications and everything.
It is clear to everyone but some apparent fanboys like you that the line Apple is drawing shouldn’t exist.
No hate towards you Chris, love your vids.
An A12Z inside a Mac Mini, not an iPad. Different enclosures result in different thermal constraints, just like the M1 Macbook Air is less powerful than the M1 Macbook Pro, even though the processor is exactly the same.
@@mariano7107 different/worse thermals does not mean a feature as simple as FLOATING WINDOWS cannot be supported. And besides, the iPad is already WAY more optimised than the Mac, so it doesn't even NEED that much cooling.
And your point about the M1 in the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, there isn't even that much of a difference between the two performance-wise.
I use more than one app at a time except possibly 2-3 times a year. I might use it, but not sure. I tend to do multi-app work on a mac
I just wanted to be able to stack 2 apps on one side and 1 on the other. Same on spaces on the Mac.
I'm an elementary school teacher. I use my iPad streaming to an Apple TV that's connected to a monitor. Will stage manager see the Apple TV as a separate monitor, as long as I have it connected to a keyboard and mouse?
I am excited for stage manager. And I look forward to seeing videos on how it works.
I like your take on the whole M1/stage manager issue!👊🏼
Came from the future just to tell you guys that older iPads are capable and will receive stage mananger on ipados16. 😅😊😂
Sure, I don’t get stage manager on iPad Pro 9.7… but it is still supported!
Exactly. The multi year support is as great as it’s ever been, and way better than most other manufacturers. Yes, some models don’t get all the features. This has happened before several times and will happen again. Sometimes they have to draw the line somewhere and no matter where they do, some devices will end up on one side and some on the other.
I am using the beta version on my 11” M1 Pro. Let’s just say, I want more. There’s still so much you cannot do with the iPad, with such a powerful chip, you should be able to do more. My eyes lit up with hope when watching the presentation for stage manager, however, when using the beta, acknowledging the bugs, the experience was MEH! A few months ago, I gave up on the iPad, switched to the Tab S8+ and am very happy with the Dex skin on the device. I can do so much more for my needs. Maybe wait till next WWDC.
Very informative thanks Chris. I think the iPadOS and iOS software is already way ahead of MacOS e.g I wish the Mac could display multiple instances of Reminders side-by-side like you can in iOS and simply drag-and-drop. But, I wish iPadOS Apple notes could adjust style, font and font colour like you can in macOS (is this still the case with iPadOS 16?)
See Chris you think in logical and thought out ways. The world just loves to complain even with an unfinished beta product. Unfortunately negativity gets clicks. You’re a pioneer of the new way to browse. Let’s look for positive clicks and uplifting news.
i have tested it on macbook and i dont really see the point on how to get any advantage while using it. in fact as it uses the left side of the screen it gets in the way when you want to see more things at a time
Is the 3/4 camera view meant to feel like you're chatting with us on an iPad with its off-center camera?
Thanks. A pretty useful video !
I welcome the improvements in iPad OS 16, especially Stage Manager, but I am still disappointed because I don't think Apple went far enough. My M1 12.9-inch iPad Pro with 16GB RAM, 2TB storage and magic keyboard has become my daily driver. My 2019 13-inch MacBook Pro with same amounts of RAM and storage rarely get used these days, except for compiling the odd piece of iPad OS software to sideload on my iPad, run a VM or use bootcamp. In fact, I will never buy another Mac OS laptop, because I need a mobile computing device to have a touch display with pen support. Stage Manager will really help my workflow because I was recently doing some research work on my iPad Pro, and split screen, plus a slide over window and quick note didn't give me enough screen real estate, and additionally I had to use my sixth gen iPad Mini alongside my iPad Pro to give me access to the extra app I needed, and then use iCloud to keep everything synchronised. With Stage Manager the improved second monitor support will resolve most of my iPad OS multitasking requirements. Why am I disappointed? My iPad Pro is still not a standalone mobile computing device, because I need to carry around a Raspberry Pi 4 configured as a headless USB-C gadget in my iPad Pro case. The iPad powers and is the GUI for the PI 4 connecting via ethernet over a single USB-C cable, and the Pi 4 does all the things that my iPad Pro can't, such as format external drives, clone SD cards, compile C++ code, run emulators and all for a 40th of the iPad's cost. What a ludicrous position to be in when my iPad Pro has so much raw performance going spare! Many of these things Apple could fix in a heart bit, like add some Pro iPad OS upgrade options for those users with M1 iPads who want them. The question is will they, or will I eventually need to migrate away from Apple's ecosystem because I need more functionality from my iPad Pro / touch screen mobile computing device and are less concerned over how pretty and polished the end-user experience is.
Is this possible with iPad Pro 12.9
I just traded up over Swappa my 12.9 2020 for the M1 12.9 so I could enjoy this update when it drops. I WFH and having a true extended display is gonna make it hard to use my gaming pc for normal work stuff.
Idk, a Mac mini was released to developers with an A14 chip that ran full macOS so there really isn’t any reason a pre M1 chip can run this. You can’t tell me an A14 can run macOS but not this. I have a 2020 iPad Pro as a main device because they last so long and I got 2 years before it was essentially obsolete. I spent like 2k on this thing. So naturally I’m still suspicious and displeased.
The big update to iPadOS 16 was this, nothing else is a major update or really all that interesting. This was a unique addition that finally brought real monitor support and now my 2k device isn’t getting it but a Mac mini with the same chip from years ago had no issue with much more complicated software. I call BS
I like your take on stage manager!
as long it plays multiple sound sources i am happy
I’m looking forward to it. I have never found Spaces or Mission Control to be useful.
Great video. You’re being too reasonable. Many RUclipsrs make their numbers finding things to complain about to Apple haters. Thanks for an informative and balanced explanation on the upcoming new feature.
You need shill content for the do no wrong crowd as well… just like this
I am confused. You talk about iPad pros without M1 chips or M2 not being able to use stage manager. I have a 2020 GEN four and I am able to use stage manager. My model number is A2229. I looked it up to be sure and I can use stage manager. From my experience, I don’t have any M chip iPad Pro. So my question is why is everyone saying you can’t?
it used to be limited to M1 in the beta, now it is open to the older A series Pros!
@@TC64X thank you .😁
The windows shuffling around automatically would drive me nuts.why couldn't they just have windows fixed and not moving?
Great video. Sadly my Samsung G9 doesn’t work full screen. It does work in split screen mode though so that’s a work around for now.
Tbh, I completely agree with the other guy...Stage Manager is a mess. Even if you take into account that it is in beta, the fact is Apple is not going to radically change it before prime time. Being in beta means is 95% ready for prime time.
The UI looks cool, but with the current line up of Apple iPads, the screen real-estate does not justify the UI changes, too much wasted space and its cluttered. For external display, sure...but not everyone is going to do that. Most people that already have an external display already have a desktop setup, so it really seems redundant unless you are trying to draw on a bigger screen or something like that. I think if anything people might build their setups around this feature, however its not even close to refined yet in my book. Apple does a lot of things right, and a lot of things wrong...but I can see the potencial for this in the future.
So if you don’t have a m1 chip stage manager will not work ?
Thanks for being so positive, I’m nervous of this new system, I have the M1 ipadPro 1TB cellular so at least I’m prepared. I was sad when I first upgraded because I thought there was no features for it, so now I can be happy, I bought an M1 Mack book 13” so I could do video editing and uploading to RUclips, I want to create my own channel and the iPad can’t do everything I want it to, which makes me sad, the MacBook is still sealed in the box for 5 months waiting for me to get around to opening it it’s just that it’s 256 GB and I think I want to upgrade it to more memory, I have 24,000 photos on my iPad and I’m afraid I’ll eat up all that MacBooks space, can you upgrade a MacBook memory or do you have to trade it? If I could add more memory I’ll do that. Maybe I’ll learn how to use external storage as well.
So happy to be an iPad Pro owner!!!
I”m going to love the multi-tasking available to me using my iPad and Mac-pro. 🎉 Mark is not a multi-tasker and is unable to use multi-layers of work content
I hear ya on organization, but I want CHAOS!!!!!! Give me option for Mac OS screen and I’ll be happy
Stage manager in its current incarnation honestly is confusing. I see the vision but it's confusing. For example, with the Mac, you have the option of grouping several windows together in different spaces. So let's say you're on space #1 with 3 windows open. When you pull up mission control from within space #1, it shows all open windows from all spaces, not just the ones that are open in space #1. It's a bit jarring because the whole reason for stage manager is for decluttering your work flow into separate spaces of windows. So why does mission control not reflect this principle, and only show the windows that are open within the context of the current space you're in, with the option of showing all open windows with an additional gesture or button? Also, mission control currently has no conception of which space a window is in, it just blobs everything together in one big confusing mess.
The reason why it is so confusing and this may be what Mark from Bloomberg is alluding to is, the current implementation seems to be siloed. It feels like the stage manager people did their own thing and the mission control people did their own thing, and the two are just jammed together into one system called macOS. But they're not cooptimized to work with each other. It's confusing. It's almost like why does stage manager exist, what is it doing there? IF the goal is to partition and separate windows into different spaces, then all of the macOS window management functions like mission control etc. need to respect and reflect that partition. Otherwise the result is confusion. I honestly had to turn off stage manager at first because it didn't make sense.
The other confusing thing about stage manager on the iPad is why don't windows have the traffic lights as in macOS? As it stands, Apple added overlapping windows, but there's no one click solution (like exists on Mac and Windows and Linux for decades) to minimize, maximize, or close a window. These are basic window management tasks that are inexplicably missing from Stage Manager. So if you want to minimize a window you have to do a gesture. The same if you want to close a window. It is confusing. I get the vision, but it seems more like a science project or tech demo of what's possible rather than a smooth cohesive well-thought-out well-oiled window management machine.
I also think the sadder part is that Apple doesn't allow developers to develop their own window management solution. Don't like stage manager? Ok, develop an app for that. The app could be distributed through the App Store, apple could review it, and then users would have their choice, and may the best window manager win. Just my opinion. Thanks for your time.
@UC198A7K34nbWDhslxiAtv5Q with older versions of macOS, and including Ventura, you can have multiple desktops. And you can swipe between them. For sake of this conversation I refer to them as desktops. Mission control only shows the Windows from each desktop. This makes sense.
But let's take stage manager, within the context of the same desktop. With stage manager, you can have multiple groups of Windows. To get to a different group of Windows, you just click on the thumbnail in stage manager and it will switch between your windows. So let's say I have two groups of Windows (or spaces as I call it). Let's say group 1 has safari and notes open. And group 2 (or space 2) has the terminal and messages open. When I activate space 1 with safari and notes, the Windows on space 2 (terminal and messages) are out of sight and out of mind. So if I activate mission control from space 1, I'm not expecting to see terminal and messages pop up too. But they all look up in mission control.
So it's like you said, currently mission control respects different desktops. It only shows Windows that are open on a given desktop. But it doesn't respect the spaces within stage manager. It shows every window that is opened. It's a bit confusing. It's hard to explain via text without showing a demo but hopefully I am clear about what I mean.
A game changer for the 5% of iPad owners that have a M1 iPad.
And ALL future iPad owners with new chips starting from here on out…
Chris - Great vid, especially the answers to the burning questions at the end. I didn't download the developer betas this year because I have too much critical work this summer and could not afford the expected beta challenges; although I've heard these betas have been pretty stable from the outset. So I appreciate that you are trying out all the edge cases and getting the answers to us.
Also, thanks for honoring the NDA. I hope you and your channel are rewarded for your integrity. May seem like a small thing in the RUclips race to be first with a scoop or a hot take, but those who do things the right often soar to the highest of heights. (I'm an IP trial lawyer so it's nice to know that people are giving thought to these things.)
I was looking forward to stage manager but my iPad pro 12 inch doesn't have the M1 chip and nor does my MacBook Pro, so I feel I'll be missing out even though my products are not particularly old (MacBook was bought 2 months before the rollout in the UK when I'd had my iPad for 8 months).
I will not be upgrading anytime soon (as in years), but at least when I do get it, all the bugs will have gone or they'll be onto the next feature.
15:36 bruh I won’t spend other money after buying iPad Air 4, 3month ago before iPad 5
It's cool but I think I just wanted automatic tiling.
Good vid
Very helpful
Great video !!!
I don’t think it would be good for iPadOS or iPad users for stage manager to run on old devices. For one, making sure it can run on older iPads would hold the software back, which isn’t cool. Also, as a non-M1 iPad owner (iPad mini 6 woo), I would rather get the full 5-7 years of support without stage manager than have them say that I can get stage manager now but my support gets kicked next year or whatever. If you’re like me dying to replace your laptop with the versatility of the iPad, unfortunately you’ll just need to shell out for a new one. I’ve had my iPad mini for less than a year and hold no resentments to Apple for needing to upgrade because sometimes if you want nice things you just need to buy them
I personally think that it’s too early for multi tasking. The technology just isn’t there yet. Until then computers should only concentrate on single tasks. We need to wait for super computers to become available in an iPad format before this functionality trickles down.
I guess it’s not fair for the iPad Pro users to see that the iPad Air (M1) is also able to use stage manager. So much for the pro only experience.
They need a Mac mode like Samsung dex that’s all I ask for the hardware is way more then the software
I have a new iPad Air M1 and is not compatible because I got the 64gb ...;( pissed
It is only for M1 so I'm out of luck. I have the iPad Pro 2020.
I don’t think this video aged too well. At this point in time Apple allowed stage manager on the A12x and z. And yes those chips have more GPU cores but the chips are very comparable in speed and power to the A13-A15 bionic chips and they decided to skip all of those chips. Which shows they’re trying to limit features that should be able to run on every iPad strictly to iPad pros and the new air.
Don’t forget, they held onto the Apple Watch Series 3 for YEARS past it’s prime in order to offer users an entry into the Apple ecosystem. Apple wants to make money. Dozens of articles and videos later, and I’m still not convinced that this is anything more than a ploy to get people to upgrade to the M series chips. If stage manager on an A series chip doesn’t offer the level of performance that is up to Apple’s standards, than they need to find someone who can write a better program.
I still have the watch series 3 from launch and it’s garbage with todays software. That’s literally a perfect example of why tech should be upgraded like any other hardware / device component for new user interactivity and improvements / development. Spitting out code to run things doesn’t mean it’s smooth and user friendly and the right choice. It literally is done with emulators for example and they do not run too well. Hackintosh’s that get by but aren’t as solid as the real OS Mac would offer. Patches or updates ruin things and so do just writing up code / development teams spending time on hardware for modern tech. Truly, it hinders performance and overall users ability to enjoy their tech when going backwards. It’s nice when given but certain things have to be passed on and onwards.
Great video! Thanks. I personally can’t wait to use Stage Manager, even if it’s only on my M1 Pro MBP-once Ventura is released. That said, I have no intention of buying an M1 iPad Pro to put beta software on it. And, by the time iPad OS 16 is released, I’ll be waiting to see what new hardware is also released. So, AAPL shot themselves in the foot . If I could have tried Stage Manager out on my 2018 iPad Pro and found that I like it and that it is stable, I might well have ignored common sense and bought year-old tech rather than waiting for the new models.
yeah apple totaly shoot themselves in the foot if you wont buy the ipad right now. how will they even survive
Hello…please whats the name of the case you have for your iPad which works with the Magic keyboard ?
It’s from MOFT it’s linked in the description (Snap Case)
Personally, it seems like Stage Manager wastes a lot of limited iPad screen space.
Really like external monitor support, though.
I think there will be challenges. The ones who use the stage manager and those who not. I don’t think this will be a leap of productivity. In small windows you can’t work. You can switch easily, but when you want begin to work, stage manager is useless. Uses a lot of screen. You will have to jump again to old school screen. That is one step more, not less. If you want to see apps, ok. If you want to work in those apps, is useless. Option is good, though.
I wonder when apple is going to surpass android on features. Multi-tasking on the galaxy s series tablets has been there for years. I use my iPad Air for my business but I kinda wish I would’ve stayed with android. One charger for s22 and galaxy s8 and iPad Air but I have to use a apple lightning one too. Too much clutter lugging around.
I have the Samsung tab s7 plus and I tested out the dex. My conclusion is that I hate it with a passion. Responsiveness and flow feels very slow, the app are not as optimised, the UI is very ugly with big window bezels sticking out, the touch UI capabilities were disabled reminding me on Windows UI for touch which is a terrible tablet experience, and my main issue with it is it was trying it to replicate a desktop.
And the thing for me is that by doing so, I got a worse desktop experience and it made me want to stop using it and move to an actual computer. Instead of making the tablet experience more productive and better, they abandoned it and created a worse desktop experience which made me want to use my main computer instead. They didn’t merge it with the existing tablet UI which I think is fine, you literally have to reboot the system. Its the same design principle as their foldable phones, a phone trying to be a tablet and phone but never reaching the full potential of both. Their foldable phone is a worse phone because of how thick it is to use and it’s worse a tablet by having a big bulge in the middle which creates image distortion in that area.
In regards to multitasking without going to dex, I would say it’s way worse than what iPad has at the moment. I stopped using it because of how unergonomic it is. My biggest multitasking workflow is the ability to open a new windows while I’m using the app and the only way I’ve found to do it is to use the small slide bar on the right and then drag another app onto it, just like the iPad prior to iPadOS 15 did. In iPadOS15, I could literally just slide from the top middle, it will open my home page and I can just easily tap on another app or even you use spotlight to find that app, and it will automatically open it in split screen. Very ergonomic.
Now to why I prefer the direction Apple is going with stage manager over the Dex. As mentioned before, the Dex provided with a worse desktop experience and made me want to go with my computer. What stage manager is doing is not providing a desktop experience to us but expanding on the capability of the tablet experience and increase multitasking within that domain. Every UI elements are still based around touch, it didn’t sacrifice where you’re required to use a keyboard to properly use that functionality. Instead of creating a Desktop experience, which will automatically be worse than the ones we already have, they improved the tablet experience to make multitasking even more accessible and without having to reboot into another mode. I won’t speak on the flow and quality of the feature considering it’s still beta 1 and still very buggy, but at least they didn’t put “MacOS” on the iPad which I’m highly against unlike Samsung Tab S7 literally putting a worse version of Windows/Linux on theirs.
Basically for me, I prefer less features but they are quality features that flows well and is not gonna be drowned out by other features, over putting features just to tick a box and advertise that they have this, even if the feature they added is really bad. Different ideology between apple and android and I prefer the former hence why I also have a iPhone. Simple, easily accessible, not as customisable but I’m perfectly fine with it because of the great UX it gives me
How about 2 apps VERTICALLY in Portrait mode already?!!!
when you buy a product you’re buying it for what it can do right now, not what possibly can come out in the future especially when nothing was promised in detail or announced.
Thank you
The problem with the stage manager controversy compared to the examples your brought up is that all of those things are based on hardware, not software. Bring stage manager to iPad pro 2/4! Maybe it's a buggy mess or maybe it doesn't have monitor support, but either way people would be happier. I think people would be more excepting of this philosophy if apple actually tried to bring it to a12z bionic instead of just saying it's impossible. Currently, they sound like a Karen saying what they are doing is fine when everyone else says that it's not. Try, and if it doesn't work, fine. But at least you tried to do what was right (also besides the fact that developers literally put stage manager on iPad pro without m1 and it worked perfectly fine🤦♂️🤬🤬¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
terrible decision by Apple. How much difference between 6GB and 8GB. A 10 year old Mac could do multitasking. People are not upgrading because Apple offers no great hardware features in their new iPad. And no Pro software to fully utilise the chipset. Then they decided to limit the older ipad which is capable to running new software feature. Also a 6GB A12Z ipad cannot support full 4K display?
Buying new hardware for one feature isn't what I have come to expect. I can install stage manager on my five year old iMac.