.223 Rem - Hornady 73gr ELD - N140 and 8208 XBR
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- Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2017
- Today we are testing the Hornady 73 grain ELD match bullet with VihtaVuori N140 and IMR 8208 XBR
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73gr ELDM with 23.9 of TAC and 25.2 of AA2520 shot great in my 16 inch spr barrel. The AA2520 load shot a .39 inch 5 shot group and generally groups under .5.
Lake city brass
CCI 41 primers for each one. Love the channel.
I appreciated watching the process, issues as well as successes. Thanks for the great video.
Fantastic, sir! Exactly the caliber and bullet that I was curious about. I really wish I could sit down and pick your brain. Great but is information.
This bullet with Varget gave me the best groups I’ve ever had from my 18” Lothar Walther upper. They also perform great with 23.5g of H4895. I picked up additional velocity and better SD compared to Varget and nearly just as accurate. With a better BC and much lower cost than the 77 SMK, they’re my new go-to bullet.
So I have found this factory load to shoot a1/2" at 100 with my AR stoner 1-8 20" barrel so today because of your great videos I loaded my first 223 loads ever 22 grains of xbr to 2. 250 oal but I use CCI 450 primers and shot half inch group at a hundred yards 6 rounds extremely happy thanks for your great information!
Excellent work.
Interesting to see your results with the 8208 XBR. Much better groups than I got with 24gr of R15 and CCI 41 primers. Keep up the great work!
Greg Richardson I tried 8208 vs RL15 this weekend, 8208 loads were about 2/3 size on average. I also use cci41s.
JRB IMR-8208 shines again, 22.8 Gr's followed by 22.0 Gr's put these are two for the book's, these are keepers
Hey Johnny, I had the same issue with the Hornady 73 and 75 grain ELD bullets. I have Hornady dies and by buying the ELD seater it worked great with the 73 gr. bullets but not the 75 gr. I had 500 of the 75 gr.eld and wanted to use in my LR AR magazines, because they shot great. I used the standard seater plug and carefully put JB weld in the seater, and very carefully took a 75 gr, coated with release agent and set it aligned parallel in the cavity. Once cured remove the 75 grainer and clean the seater, and it works great.
I’ve been reloading 75 grain at 2.260 with Winchester 748 at 22grains . I love it. Smashes the primer a bit but nothing too bad
having a 2nd pan is awesome, and yes I had to sand lightly on the heavier one but once you have two pans, you are in heaven.
Disclaimer: This advice is probably more geared toward larger size magnum type powders.
I have not tried it myself, but I hear putting a sonic type toothbrush (with a head you don't use anymore) against a powder filled case can help settle the powder down, so you can get a little less crunchiness when seating. Not sure how much it would help with the smaller sized grains of these types of powder though.
Awesome test great job I think I’m going to try that imr 8208xbr 👍👍👍👍 I already have 140 vint but haven’t used it yet.
Great video Man!
I have a 18" Bear Creek Arsenal 1:8 barrel on my AR. I have found that Remington 7 1/2 Bench rest primers give me the tightest groups. With Hornady 75gr BTHP and 22.5gr RL-15 and a Winchester or CCI small rifle primer 1"-1.5" at 100 yards. Same load with Remington 7 1/2 Bench Rest primers, consistent clover leaves!
Nice results with 8208. I'm trying some in my Ruger American predator. 223 with AR mag.
I have the same white oak armament barrel on my ar. I live by grandisland ne. I bought some 73 gr eld match from the factory. "Regects". They are super cheap! I just loaded up 30 rounds with Hodgdon Bl-C (2). From 24gr to 25gr. I wish I had a chronograph. But I'm going to go group them tomorrow and see what I can come up with. Great video sir.
Thanks for sharing load data
I’m really liking this bullet
Great video good groups im shooting the 80 gr eld out of a 26 inc tube bolt gun using varget i get 1/2 inch groups with almost no effort (2900 fps )ED 5-7
I tested 8208 with 73s this weekend in my 18” AR. I tried, 21.8, 22.1, 22.4, 22.7 and 23. 22.1 was a cloverleaf at 50y, all holes touching. This a Daniel Defense DDM4v11.
It outshot every RL15 charge I also tried that day.
Update:shot a 200-14x first match ever at 300. The 73s at mag length will shoot.
Excellent video. Now we need to have a comparison with and without that chronograph hanging off the end of the gun..
Varget shoots great in my WOA 18" SPR, 25.4 grains doing about 2855 fps which is smoking! Minor pressure signs though not unusual for 5.56 loadings. FGM match small rifle primer in .223 hornady cases.
Can't afford much right now but I'll be sure to try out the the JRB approved toilet paper!
Would like to seen more testing with this bullet someday.... please Johnny..
Very good groups.
8208 XBR is quickly climbing my list of favorite powders!
I just ordered some 73 grain eld bullets yesterday. While I'm running low on AA2520, I'm half temped to try some 8208XBR instead of stocking up on old faithful after seeing you shoot those 73's with 8208XBR.
I have had great luck with the 73 grn led lake city brass, Winchester primers, varget 25 grns, or tac but I don't have my load data in front of me. Varget is 2754 fps 18" dpms mini sass, 5/10 to 8/10" consistently. Try it with 2000 Mr should be great.
Outstanding!
AA2520 has been my favorite powder for a while. After watching you with 8208 has me really thinking, especially since I have decided to test the 73 grain eld-m in my criterion barrel. I'm also going to test 8208 with the 62 grain bthp in my BCM barrel.
I just ordered a 22 grendel barrel i cant wait to try 80 grain bullets at mag length
Trimming to min case length would give you a little more adjustibility before the crimp engages. Also the copper shavings may be because while the neck is being crimped the bullet is still moving downward into the case, shaving a little copper from the bullet.
Should use that drop tube for those starline brass. And I too like cottonelle.
I've watched a lot of your videos. I've been interested in your 300 Blackout and I'm now looking for information on Valkyrie 224. I personally really appreciate all the time and money you put into your videos. Ammo costs money, and you've got hours and hours of prep work along with the loading. Great job in my opinion. One of my thoughts has been, "After you've does such a great job of showing one round, or one specific load performs well, with the smallest group in your test, what happens if you load up another 5 or 10 of that same load, and see if it repeats the performance of the first test??" Are we sure, these groups don't just represent your varying skills on each group. You are a much better shot than me, so I'm just curious, does the test produce repeatable results for YOU! You also have proven to me.... an 8-inch barrel is amazingly accurate. I't like to see your comparison target with your best performing load for 16-inch barrel 300 blackout gun, and your best load for 8-inch barrel 300 AAC gun. You produce some amazingly small 100 yard groups with an 8 inch barrel. Good shooting for sure. Keep up the hard work.... I love it.
About the same thing I experienced, the bullet it a 1.5 MOA shooter for most people. I tried thrre different powders and couldn't get it to group under an inch with well poured charges.
I trickle into lee beam scales with a medicine spoon…been loadin 4yrs and sprinkled 15lb all through that same little bugger..I’d love to have this exact batch of components…except 210m primers or br-2s..I’m loadin 27gr varget under bulk 55gr fmj and produced several .5” groups with a 16” Doublestar upper 15yr old…
You can load 75 grain Amax or ELD to 2.29 OAL; that fits in a PRI mag. The bullet ogive is inside the case neck so the case needs to be crimped enough to remove this gap.
Great stuff JRB! I’ve seen that Hornady offers seating dies specifically for their ELD line so that is an option. As for a powder I’d like to see tested, how about Power Pro 2000-MR? That one was kicking ass in the cloning series. Maybe I should jump on the bandwagon and try toilet paper, haven’t really had a good enough reason to until now.
You should have a meet and greet in Lexington sometime. Sportsmens warehouse has a reloading 101 about once a month. I know your way past that but it would be nice to run into you and bounce some ideals back and forth
I would drop dead from social anxiety probably. lol Maybe someday!
man I miss your 5.56 stuff I never could get the 77 otmtac bergers to shoot I'm building a new spr maybe it'll shoot them. Seems like the perfect bullet for my line of work
I love it when the hotter load start grouping better that is just the way it should be why is it when I watch your videos I get hungry for Carl jr. Burgers
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I’d like to see CFE223. 73gr looks like it could be a great dual purpose target/predator bullet.
dk17hmr I tried cfe223 and no signs of a tight group. Looked like n140 groups
@@thomasmurray1992 - Same here. Tested CFE223 using match bullets from 52 to 77 grains with BR rifle, standard, magnum primers shot from match grade AR-15s with 1-12 to 1-6.5 twist heavy barrel. Best 5 shot groups at 100 yard was 0.85 inches. Most were between 1.35 to 2 inches.
DCL 308 when hand reloading 75gr ELD match bullets, the case and bullet looked flushed after crimping. I used Dillon crimping die but can’t get the case to be flush with the bullet.
831sabino seating the 75gr ELD to fit an AR mag will be seating too far...and look exactly as you describe. 73gr is the heaviest ELD that can be loaded at that length
@@j.rob.5943 how about other brands’ heavy bullets, like the Nosler RDF 85gr? I’m having a horrible time getting that to not group like a shotgun spread...
What if you measured the case volume of 22.4grns of 8208xbr in the starline brass and then used different powder with similar burn rates to dial in and see if case volume is a substantial variable? The SD was amazing on that load. Thank you for all your work.
Hornady makes an ELD stem in 30 cal, I’m sure they have one for 224 also. I also find their data to be conservative.
I was using a redding die but the suggestion is still great. Pretty much all of the die manufacturers offer different stems, or even custom stems for whatever you need.
I know it's over max but I've got my best results from 8208 with 23.1grs but in three of my guns I've got .25" groups with primers just starting to flatten slightly
That's amazing for the 73ELD. Most people can't find the sweet spot. I haven't been able to do better than 2MOA using several powders. Are you shooting the AR?
The 223 is a great round
22.1gr of 8208 is a half-moa load in my AR with 73 ELDs. Unfortunately, it's pretty slow. You can go a lot faster, but it's barely sub-MOA. This is an 18" DD barrel.
I'm also seeing some really good things with 8208 even with 80 ELDs. A bit over book though (more like what you're shooting in the Mk262 series) but at longer OALs than book.
Just a suggestion... the chronograph hanging off the end of you barrel moves a bit after every shot which changes the harmonics. Each little miniscule changes spits the bullet out different. Which can cause fliers...
Would love to see this bullet with Varget and maybe something thats done well from the mk262 series like 2520 or tac
My book of armaments has a 223 section, a service rifle section, and a 5.56 section, but zero information on the Holy Hand Grenade.
The number of the count shall be three.
Three shall be the number counted to
Five, is right out.
Armaments, chapter 2, verses 9-21........ "4 shall thou not count, neither count thou 2, excepting thou that then proceed too 3".......
The glock?
Look's like IMR 8208 XBR is a pretty good powder! and you used CCI 400 primer's for a change,because you allway's use CCI 41,not saying anything just lookin..........KEEP ON ROCKIN IT JOHNNY!!!...
75g HPBT Match is loadable to mag length!
Wow had the exact opposite results with the same barrel. Lc brass and #41 primer gave me .421 group with vv140 ...xbr not so much
I revisited this video cause my very first loads are with this 73 gr projectile and IMR 8208XBR and I noticed you had the issue with the jacket being shaved. I am having the same issue, where as your shavings look almost like powder I am having it shave like its peeling it. I bought once fired already processed Lake City brass and even though it was processed I ran it through my RCBS small base die. I wonder if my issue is the same as you were having where the inside of the cases need to be chamfered better.
I'm not sure what the deal is with 8308xbr load data, but the go to load for a lot of competition shooters is 23.3 with the 75/77 grain rounds. I loaded LC brass up to 23.5 with the 73gn ELD and no issues in two different rifles but your mileage may vary. I wonder if there haven't been some hot batches so they keep the data low.
Also, I've tested 400+ rounds of 73, 75, and 80 ELDs. ALL of them have shot best at longer jumps. I can't explain it. My rifle will allow all the way up to 2.52" OAL with 75s and 80s, and yet the best groups come at more like ~2.4 (1.85" CBTO)
Have you shot the 80 eldm out to 600+ yds?
@@Captain_Spaulding_01 yes, many times. Well, 600, but not over 600. A warm charge of powder and a bit longer throat in the gun and it'll perform surprisingly well. Shot my first "clean" at 600 with the 80 ELDm.
@@G5Hohn excellent news! So with a 1.85" CBTO, how far off the lands does thsy put you? Also, are you running a wylde chamber? Thanks much.
@@Captain_Spaulding_01 Depends on the rifle. In the AR I developed this load for, it was a Nato chamber and ended up about 65 thousands of jump.
IN the bolt rifle with a custom long throat chamber, the OAL is longer, closer to 2.52" OAL.
@@G5Hohn thanks for the reply. I ended up with a jam oal of 2.480", so I'm working up starting at .040" of jump from there (2.440" oal... 1.798" cbto). Will see what she can do.
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Makes me wonder if you had a barrel head spaced more on line with magazine length if you could get bolt gun accuracy.
Probably so! I wouldn't have believed it before I bought this WOA barrel, but seeing what a nice standard production barrel is capable of in an AR has really opened my eyes. If you wanted to get a barrel set up for a specific bullet you could probably achieve some amazing results.
take the magneto speed off when shooting groups, youre messing with the barrel harmonics when you add something to the end like that
I’ve noticed the same exact copper shaving issue with the 6.5 147s even with heavy chamfering. Maybe I need to get a different chamfering tool
8208XBR is what I am going to try
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This was a particularly long one, too! lol The video was filmed like two days before I made the other video and I thought it was a pretty amusing coincidence.
Can you do a video on what you think would be the best combination for accuracy and consistency
Well I have my tracking number for an 8 pound jug of 8208. I have my 73 grain ELD-M bullets in hand. All I'm waiting for now is my new mount so I can put my magnitospeed on my quad rail instead of my barrel. I hope my results are as good as yours.
I'm making my 73ELD XBR ladder today. Hoping to see some goods. I'll be working up to 23.1gr
n540 was the best performing in your 77gr test. These 73s have equal BC but cheaper. Let's see it!
Try it with Tac. 8208 and Tac have almost identical burn patterns.
John you should try doing groups without the strap on chronograph, it's causing your barrel harmonics to be different. It could make a huge difference
I can see the chronograph whipping with every shot that's why I'm positive it is an issue 😀 love your videos man. You and cookie gave me the confidence to start reloading. Thank you
He has already done testing both with and without the chrono and suppressor with same loads to check and see if there was degradation, and there was not any change.
This barrel/suppressor combo seems immune from magnetospeed-induced problems. Other barrels can definitely be different!
can you try varget? Thanks! im trying to develop a load for varget with these right now
Hey can you measure the OAL of this bullet and maybe future bullets? I think that would be helpful information for reloaders.
I can start including that info.
Try trimming the brass back 1 mm on the last load to reduce pressure
I know this an old video, but if you have some AA2520 left I would love to see what you could do with the 73 grain ELD-M and AA2520. I'm waiting on my own 8208XBR and if I don't use all my AA2520 on my 62 grain BTHP's I might have a good comparison to make.
are you letting your barrel cool down between strings.... it helps reduce confounds in your dataset.... especially with button rifled barrels that have poi changes when they get hot
I was just wondering if you tried shooting groups without the can and mag sensor on your barrel too see if the groups get smaller?
natchez is a good source for lake city 62 grainer green tips
That last group with xbr wonder if that would shot in a bolt gun
H335? And also how is the 9mm lee loader video coming? I work at a welding shop and the guy that delivers steel from iowa used to have Dillion 550s but sold them and loads just with the lee loader 38 special i believe.
I'm new to this reloading hobby I have a question? so the 2.250 is the overall stander spec from Hornady in regardless of your bullet grain weight or is just for the 73 gr EDL.
I got a whole lot of 2520 just dying to push the 73 ELD
yeaaaaah buddy
Lot of blowback gas i see, you should proceed to limit the amount of gas and keeping the bolt close for longer period of time to let the progessives powder burn adequately, what buffer/spring are you using?
Try n140 with cci450s or rem 7-1/2s it'll group a lot better
Could you try it with some Winchester 748
I know this video is over a year old but can you try these with Varget? I use a drop tube to load 25 grains of the stuff into a winchester case, velocity is over 2800 and brass is pristine. Wondering if anybody else could get this result.
24.1grn Vv140 with sierra 77grn hpbt with my sig550 at 100m hole in hole
Less bullet jump should help a lot with eld-m projectiles
Stupid magazine length is always a pain in the butt!
Hey I tried to order some of these bullets from Natchez but as a resident of Georgia they will not sell to TN, GA, and AL. What's up with that ??
WOW, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I didn't realize! Apparently they do wholesale distribution for brick and mortar stores in that region, and they don't do internet sales there so there's no competition with their wholesale customers. So, I guess your local gun stores might use Natchez as a supplier, and Natchez doesn't want to directly compete with them. Really sorry about that!
I’d like to see this bullet with RL15 and/ IMR4895/4064
+1 on your comment about Hornady's manual being conservative!
It has great data for all the weirder stuff I shoot, though (6.5 Grendel, 7.62x54R, etc., etc.) so I give them a pass on being conservative. So you'll see me use it a lot for OAL's and whatnot, but I generally trust the charge weights on the powder manufacturer's websites.
Johnny's Reloading Bench It's great for beginner reloaders! I love the small articles for each caliber.
any chance for 80gr ELDM, out of a bolt 223?
Post comment on other video about 73 eld match, new video uploaded within a minute. Thanks for entertaining us Johnny.
do you think the magneto speed hanging off the the end of barrel effects the accuracy?
They would not need to be the same weight. Just leave each one with it's scale. Transfering the powder between the two tray's would work.. but might be a bit annoying
Will you try benchmark and h335??
Those are great options. No promises yet, but there's a good chance at least one of those will get tested with this bullet in the next video.
How do you get such consistent OAL with different length brass and the bullets having some variation in their size?
But what about terminal balistic of eld compared to mk262
N540 in the eld 73
But there's only one link in the description
I’m about to try 270 I’ve never done rifle only pistol I will be shooting from a bolt action rifle do I need to crimp or will just seating the bullet be ok
I pretty much never crimp my bolt gun rounds. If the bullet has a cannelure or just playing around...go for it. But it's generally not something to worry about.
I really would like to the hornady 73gr eld with AR-com powder if you could plz I have a ddv7pro with 1:7 twist and look for a long range stable combo. Thank you sir.
What is that thing you pull out of the gun before each series?
Hey Johnny so I just got the magneto v3 and I shot some eld 73g cfe powder got good groups but the magnetospeed was all over the place I think I saw a 6700 which obviously isn't accurate what sensitivity do you use?