Land Rover Series 3 Restoration - Going Back to 7.50 x 16 Tyres? - Part 82
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Dear All,
Welcome back to the channel and the beloved Land Rover.
Today I swapped my Wolf rims back to the old solid steel rims with a mixed set of aging 7.50 x 16 Tyres. The exercise was elementary, but its something I've wanted to do since finishing the project, just to see what it looks like - So here it is for your enjoyment!
Speak soon and I look forward to the chat. Have a great weekend.
Regards
Joël
Love the vintage tires! I have a base model Jeep CJ7 I am restoring with original white steelies and white hardtop.
Love what you’re doing here!
Hi, thanks. CJ7 is a true classic. Good luck with the restoration. 👍
Lovely Landie looking grand on his new old rims. The original is always the best 👍🏻
Thanks Tony. 👍
Great effort. Good to see there is a soul mate. I got a 964 and. 97 300 TDI 110...I think these are best buddies!
Great to hear from you. Yes, I have had a number of messages saying the same thing. Seems to be a mental link between a 911 and Land Rover. The perfect match! Have a good weekend. Joël
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You have helped me make my mind up , I’m going to do exactly the same 👍🏻
Going back to 7,50’s? Great choice. They look so damn cool. I’m still driving around on my cranky old set, which are hard as nails, but…. I can live with that for a while .😅 Have a good one. Regards Joël.
@@My911 my new tyres and original style wheels are now on , 7.50 16 security tyre . I also have a 911 997 c2 . We have good taste eh 👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Wayne, great stuff. And yes, we sure do. If you fancy sending me an image of your cars I would love to see them. My Email address is my projects post at yahoo dot com.
Lovely your Landy Joel. I also prefer the original rims, I feel like the bigger ones draw the eyes to the wheels instead of the car. I am glad I did not buy a set of Wolfs I wanted to buy because of yours...this demonstration is actually very useful. Take care and thank you for keep showing us your awesome Landy.
Hi Marco, thanks for your message. Perhaps the best set up is modern standard tubeless rims with the wrangler tyres. How’s your Landy?
@@My911 I personally prefer the original look even if I have to use inner tubes. I really liked your Landy with the wolf rims and i wanted the same but now that you went back...i like the original look better.
I am still working on the 109 truck, chassis got painted over the weekend, we had to overhaul the engine which is almost ready. The panels are all painted, and you should be able to start putting everything back together. I am in the US and my Landys in Costa Rica so it is challenging to rely on others to do the work for you. I am also completing a 1963 SWB, coming along slowly but surely :)
Great workshop 👍
Thanks Kevin.Been up there in the sun today. Very enjoyable .
Wow, looks so cool with the original tyres, looks much more agricultural which is nice 👍🏽. Great video
Thanks Boude.
The steering boxes on the old landrovers were geared to the old type tyre widths .then when you put modern radial tyres on the steering is heavier when doing slow manoeuvring ..
Thanks, that’s good knowledge.
They look great 😊👍
Hi Tony, thank you. I like them too. When I bought the Landy in 1995 it came with the standard 6.00 rims. But I always wanted the deeper 109 rims with the larger 7.50 tyres. A friend of mine had a S3 lightweight on his farm with the larger rims and he agreed to swapping them out as the Lightweight wasn’t going anywhere! That must have been ‘96. 😀
@@My911 Cheers. I'm in NZ & while I appreciate the comment from the guy who said to get new tyres, it's easier said than done. 7.5 x 16s or 6 x 16s with any sort of off-road pattern are crazy money here ~ £200 each. How much are they in Germany?
@@tonyblackie3277 hi, similar price. And that’s for a no name.
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Much better with the original rims.
Looks excellent!
Thanks mate
Def prefer the original rims. Looks great !
Thanks Sandra. 👍
750's look mint 👌
Thanks Kris. 👍
Definitely a more classic look on the original steels. I went over to Wolf wheels because they are tubeless, I seemed to suffer endless punctures with tubes, probably down to rough old rims and incompatible tyres. Love the sound of your Land Rover, sounds very sprightly and it definitely looks so right on those wheels. As for the tramlining, that's the downside of those kind of tyres. WRD is going to end up on some narrower tyres soon, but staying on the wolf wheels.
Hi Phil, nice to hear from you. I bought the Wolfs for the same reason as you. Although I never really had issues with flats on the 7.50‘s. But I never did much mileage really. I’ll be interested to see which tyres you go for.
@@My911 In the 12 years and 80,000 miles I've run tubes I've had three flat tyres, one was a badly fitted tube by a garage, one was somebody messing with the valve, and the other was a genuine puncture caused by a thorn.
I run Avon Rangemaster 7.50 R16 at the factory pressures in the handbook (88 inch Station Wagon) and my tyres have got plenty of tread life. I always found higher pressures gave a harsh ride and poor grip.
Load under 250 kg: 25 psi (1.7 bar) front, 25 psi (1.7 bar) rear
Load over 250 kg: 25 psi (1.7 bar) front, 30 psi (2.1 bar) rear
Thanks for that. 👍
@@My911 When I got my S111 88" diesel it had 750/16 tyres on lwb rims but I suspected it should have had 600/16 tyres as the speedo reading didn't seem to match the vehicle speed, ordered 5 new 1 Ton rims, sprayed in limestone and fitted 5 new Michelin 205/16 M&S tyres, what a difference, correct speedo, wider track on period correct rims and better acceleration!!
@@clooperman3745 sounds cool. Would love to see a picture of you have one. I’m on instagram at My911projects if you are. 👍
I’d been running my 80” at 30psi - and someone suggested that was too hard for them and gave a harsh drive…. So I dropped them to 27/28 (can’t remember which) and I couldn’t believe the difference - not only was it more comfortable but it’s road holding improved enormously.
Hi, interesting that such a little amount makes such a difference. I’m not sure what I should run now.. 🤪
So nice sir
Looks better with the original Land Rover wheels. Never been fond of the wolf rims on the older series. Understand better road and handling. Just like the older rims and narrow tires👍
Cheers, yes. I prefer them too. But the tyres are like concrete. 😅
I run a 1970 LWB with as a camper (pop up roof etc) and I recently swapped from std rims to Wolfs plus 235/85 and I find it much better to drive. Better steering, and safer with the tubeless rims and tyres and a bigger choice of tyres (at better prices too) for the wider Wolf rim than the narrow (5 1/2J) std rim.
Hi Rob, thanks for your message. That set up is a good one and I will go back to it soon. 👍
I think lots of landy owners will dispute your definition of "bit of a mess" in those wheel wells! +1 for the original rims too!
😅😅, fair enough. In my Defense those wheel wheels have been far more of a mess than that in the past.
I have a 109 with Avon Rangemaster 7.50R16 (the R is for radial) which was factory fit for many years on new Land Rover Defenders. In the UK they cost little more than cheap and nasty imports (sub-£100 each plus £15 for a tube). They are tube type but I find the on-road behaviour is very good, no wandering, and this is on a Stage 1 V8 which will do 70mph. An alternative is the excellent but more expensive Michelin Latitude Cross 7.50R16 (also available in 235/85R16) which is marked "tubeless may be used with tubes". The Avon looks more period but the Latitude Cross probably wins in terms of roadholding. With the Defender 5.5x16 tubeless rims (which look almost identical to originals except for the tubeless bead) you could run the Michelins tubeless. My 88" runs the Defender tubeless rims with 205/85R16 modern tubeless tyres. 205s were an optional factory fit towards the end of Series 3 production and into the early coil sprung Ninety era. 205s look good on an 88" but too small for a 109. If/when the 88 needs new tyres I'll go for Latitude Cross 7.50s.
Thank you. An interesting insight into the tyres. 👍
great video
Thank you.
The skinny ones look correct on the series LRs. The wolfs look better on the Defenders! Get some new tires mate!
I am liked so much sir
Thank you. Do you own a Land Rover?
It does look more original with the 750s but I prefer the look of the Wolf's I think.
Thanks David, will switch back soon. 👍
In my opinion, on a Series 3, the original rims look so much better than the Wolf rims. These rims and wider tyres go perfectly with the wider track of the Defender body with the plastic wheel arches, but the narrow 7.5 tyres fit perfectly to the series-body. I had modern Dotz-style rims on my 109, which allowed me to drive tubeless tyres, but the overall look of the car just did not feel right. I changed to the original rims and Avon Rangemaster Tyres two weeks ago and now it looks again like a Landy!
Great choice! 👍
It looks much more better with original rims. In Spain, you cant put 7,50x16 on 88" but only on 109". We must use 6.00x16 because of the MOT. Congrats for the channel!!
Hi, thank you. That is interesting. But I also love the look of the 600‘s. Mine used to have them. 👍
@@My911I'm now looking for compatibles tyres with the original design (ancient Firestone Town&Country seems to be discontinued). Waiting for your next video!
I was thinking that a compromise would be the modern ‘old style’ rims with the tubeless Goodyear tyres. That way you get the best of both worlds. Radial tubeless modern tyres and classic style rims. I have noticed however that the modern standard rims all came in white. So they would need to be painted in the sandstone to look correct.
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They do look great. But having had them on there for a little while I will have to change back to the Wolfs soon, as the old valves are cracked badly. It’s just a matter of time until one blows. Eventually I may well use the old rims again with new tyres.
Mache 7.50r16 Michelin XZL drauf , ein Traumreifen
Na klar, der König unter den Reifen.
Hi mate I like the classic look of the cross-ply, and I think series landys steer better on them (as in play at steering wheel ) i' m pretty sure on series 3s you have less toe in if you run radials I think if your only doing 85 km an hour radials are no advantage apart from sand driving ,and at higher speeds the cornering and braking are better , but in the Aussi bush cross-plys are more forgiving less sidewall punctures I my opinion. I have landys that run both types .cheers R
Hi Reginald, thanks fir the tip. I had to chuckle when you mentioned high speeds and cornering. I never really put those two things and my Landy together 😀 Although when I was young, I could get any car to feel fast.
I agree the steering is lighter when running cross plies.
For me the bigger ones look better! Just ordered them for mine…
By the way, did your bonnet suffer the weight of the wheel? Doesn’t look very straight.. is that possible? Will be mounting a wheel on my bonnet too, hope it won’t do any damage with the time…
Hi, yes, the weight of the wheel has certainly distorted the bonnet. I spent ages trying to put it right but it doesn’t seem possible. It’s a common problem.
I used to run tyres with similar tread like the ones made in Malaysia that you put on. They were totally useless in the snow and pretty much useless everywhere else. Only good for maybe a short trip to the local supermarket. I understand that you made this swap purely to check the aesthetics but you ended up with 2 dissimilar tyres on the rear axle, which is not the best situation for your rear diff.
I agree entirely. Mixed tyres are also illegal over here. 👍
I've always been carefully with the powerwasher - sometimes, paint flakes off. One point for sure, never shoot to the sidewalls of the tyres.
Oops, I did that.. 😬
Hi Joel, glad to see you back on the series 3. Am I correct in thinking that the tyres are all tubed? If so, the air leaking around the valve stem is probably normal. When you inflate tubed tyres, air trapped between the tube and rim has to escape through the hole by the valve stem. That’s why the stem has flutes up the side, to allow the air to escape. You should find the air leaks will eventually stop.
Hi Mark, that makes absolute sense. I checked later and the leak had indeed stopped. Excellent!
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Thanks Norman. 👍
Your 7.50-16 are bias plys. They have more internal friction than the 235 radials. So the car uses more petrol with the 7.50 even thoug they are less wide.
Also they wander around a lot more and get flat spots on them every time you park the car and therefor give a bumpy ride for a few minutes. There are new 7.50-16 tires for sale that are radials.
Thank you. That’s good knowledge. I won’t be using them for long. 👍
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Looks great on the 7.50s. Funnily enough I run two sets of rims on my 110, original wolf rims with 235 mud tures, and 5.5" rims with Michelin 7.50s on. It looks so much better on the Wolf rims but I get 20% better fuel economy on the Michelins.
Narrow tires look best on Series Land Rovers!
I agree 👍
wolf rims.....as they remind me of my tubeless off-road 16"x 235 modular rims and tyres
Ok, thanks. That decides it then. 😅
Greetings from Canada where due to salt on winter roads Series L/R are few and far between. Years ago I had a short wheelbase 2A. I do wonder why you would think of driving around on 20 year old cross-ply tires when you have new radial tires with a "D" load rating and "Q" speed rating.
Hi Richard, I get the salt thing. Same as in Germany and the UK. Don’t worry. The 7.50’s aren’t staying on for long.
You can get steel 110 rims which are tubeless. I’ve got them on my 109 with 750s on. Michelin XPC.Don’t you have to have another MOT type test if you change the tyres?
No, onkly if your tyre type change to one that isn't written to your "Fahrzeugschein". 7.50R16 is pretty common for that vehicles. He might had one for the wolf rims, where TÜV checked that the speedo still works precise and steering works etc.
Hi guys the TÜV entered in the 235 85 16 tyres in the papers. For the cost of the TÜV I had to supply a surprising amount of information for the vehicle. They just don’t have them out here in the old east. The insurance wasn’t easy either. It took ages to match the car to the system.
Martin, your set up would be a great alternative and one I had thought about.
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but what gearing does your speedometer have? The 88" originally had a speedo geared for 6:50 (approx 205/80) tyres, so with 7:50s it will under read by a noticeable amount. I went back to 205s for this reason.
Hi, it’s set to the original (smaller) tyres so it’s not accurate. Both for speed and distance. I really like the smaller tyres actually. They look great.
The problem with that type of tyre They're a bit scary when driving on a wet Road the back-end seems to go on you but it's completely controllable and fun
Hi, I know exactly what you mean. In fact it was the Lm Andy which taught me how to control over steer while driving. An if I’m honest, I was happy to learn 😅 it has helped me have fun in other cars since then, including the 911.
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Whey hey, hi Charles. Nice to hear from you. Your trip must be coming up soon. Any work needed on the Landy?
There’s a simplistic formula [((weight on axle /2)/max load)*max psi] in absence of official pressures from your operator manual (if you still have it) but works better on tubeless
Your tyre max load showed 1000kg@350kPa which is approx 50psi
Say, specified load on axle is 1100 you do 1100/2=550 then (50*550)/1000 = 28psi (cold) but then it’s adjusted to suit the tyres
I run my 235/85 r16 Davanti’s on my 90 higher than I did the BFG’s cos the sidewall is softer so the extra pressure reduces deformation @36psi all round so about the same as your pressures
Thanks Dean. That’s great knowledge and very useful. 👍
I like the newer wheels. The purists commenting seem to prefer the originals.
Thank you. 👍
Original rims for sure are better. Were the wolf rims 235x85x16? I think the 7.50 x16 will be worse off road as they dont flex as much. They prob have like 8-11 plies.
Correct. Not sure about the ply pattern though. It might even say on the side walls.
@@My911 yeah bud 7.50 tyres are light truck. For touring around the world and wear they are prob best but they will always give poorer performance? I would think so
I think so too. I always only had the 7.50’s when I drove it back in the day and had no real problems with them at all. But it’s nice to have the modern radials. 👍
Bet the leak is from air trapped between tube and tyre. On my 2a 88 inch I have 760 crossply on and they are good of road but terrible on road. My opinion is I would stick to your nice radicals. Also be aware of wet roads on crossply as you get into a lot of trouble. Here in Johannesburg it's usually hot and dry and the crossply are good with pot holes and bricks and rock on the roads.
Thanks Kevin. You are right. There seems to be no flat today. 👍
need to figure out tires for my old ih c120 pickup that has 7.5 x 16 tires as well theyre prolly from the 80's on it
Hi, are they rock solid like mine? 😅
@@My911 drove it on them last fall from the raspberry bush's it was parked in noise can be tires as well
Leave the Original Rims on it!
Thanks dude. 👍
Apparently not the consensus, but I liked the set with the Wrangler tires on them a lot better. The ones that were on it when the video started.....
Hi Patrick, good to hear from you. I’ll end up putting those back on as they are the better set up for use over here. They are also legal! 😀 German law states only the same Type/brand of tyres are allowed on one axlee es, and I’m Mixing that with the old ones. I just swapped them out as I like the original rims and wanted to see what the Landy looked like with them on. 👍
Leave the Original Rims on it! Keep it Original
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