Toby speaks brilliantly, but listen to what he says. He is not making an argument for free speech, he is making an argument that he should not have to bear the consequences of his free speech.
@@chriscolabella880 And that applies to all of us. Why should we all face prosecution, because some Snowflake etc., feels offended. I am always reminded of the gentleman who was arrested for quoting Winston Churchill. Remove the gags imposed upon us since I was born.
@@shackledcitizen My previous comment appears to have vanished. You are in favour of free speech though, yes? Let me put it differently, have you read Milton? There's a difference between the liberty to say whatever you will and the licence to say whatever you like without consequence. I would defend to the death Toby's right to publicly make inappropriate comments about his colleague's breasts. He does not have the right to then whinge when his questionable choices negatively impact his career.
@@chriscolabella880 I can't disagree with Milton either. Accepting free speech ,of course means accepting critism for ones expressed opinions. Personally, I don't give a hoot if people call me names. If it is true, it doesn't bother me. If it is untrue, then I ignore it, unless , of course it is libelous or slanderous to an extent which would require judicial involvement. I am talking about common sense free speech which all sensible people understand and which once prevailed in our land and others in the free world.
So what really happened after the little boy shouted out 'The King has no clothes!' Is that the little boy was pounced on and beaten to death, by the tiny percent of 'Woke Folk', present in the crowd. Whilst the 98% of those who agreed with the lad, all looked to the floor and kept their mouths shut. (And they all lived Happily Ever After!) THE END!
What is really disturbing is people /family who you thought you knew agree with the spouted propaganda and do no research and I'd you question this they turn on you ,doing there job for them
I was speaking with my son about this last night. We defined two types - racism where hate and intent matters. Then there's the woke version which is “tripwire racism” . Where no hate or intent is required and context doesn’t matter. Tripwire racism is designed to bully you into silence. You don't commit it. For the victims of tripwire racism it's a passive experience - it's a trap you fall into and become ensnared. The Alastair Stewart episode is a good example of tripwire racism. No intent, no malice and no hate was required to 'get' him. 👍
Toby is brilliant. I mean, literally brilliant and he articulates his arguments so well. I, like Rod Liddle, thought we might have reached "peak wank" at one stage - but no, the militancy and dangerous absurdity of the left seems to have doubled-down. I liked Peter's comment about finding certain actors, publications and so on, unwatchable or unreadable now because of their wokeish intolerance for any sort of dissenting voice. Thankfully, we still have people like Peter and Toby to provide us with enlightened, progressive and sane conversations.
@@johnjones6601 Hi john, just trying to distinguish between the slang usage of brilliant - something exciting or wonderful and the fact that I think Toby is a bit of genius. I take your point tho', "literally" is often misused.
@MrKingdig After a long weekend away. I came home yesterday to four automated threats left on my housephone messages, by the BBC's tv license Goons. I'm guessing that the poor dears must be wearing out plenty of shoe leather right now. Following up on folk like myself, who have simply had enough of 'Aunties' Leftie propaganda horse shit. F**k 'em!
@@saintjohn6295 ... Mr Saint John - if that's your real name - you are coarse, vulgar and low - one of the reasons we need the BBC instead of your yob values. As for Mr Kingdig - if that's his real name - if Big Brother is the height of his broadcasting aspirations he is beyond hope. You live in a crass intellectual wilderness
@MrKingdig A good idea. Burning all of 'Aunties' junk and adding to their Carbon Footprint. They'll love that. You haven't watched their garbage in years, so you're missing all of their current Global Warming/Climate Change hysteria. It's none stop. No house visits from their thugs as of yet. I've watched 'How to get rid of them' videos on RUclips. Simply by saying 'I am removing your right to enter my property', has them instantly spin on their heels, and they're off. Uncannily like exorcising the Devil from your hearth. How very odd?
Another one - subtly different - is 'offence mining'. The offence archeologists sift through a Twitter user's history in order to find something to weaponise, whereas the offence miners take whatever is said in the present and perform mental gymnastics in order to be offended.
pammens miss -so we are stuck? Condemned to always use phrases they invent?. ...wait! there is so much creativity here. Chaaarge, soldiers of language!!! :o)
Stephen Cockett - why not go back further to say 1930? Then copy and paste all those 1930s laws from Germany, it would be bliss for “people” like you. Or you could go one further and repeal all laws since Magna Carta, you’d be in a constant orgasm.
Commenting as a father who was twice falsely accused in order to deflect the authorities attention to my wife who was harming our daughters while I was at work - I say that the anti male injustice goes a lot further than Free-speech. Free- speech is certainly a very important facet of this - I recall the moment I became a totally dismissed non-entity - talked about - not reasoned with - treated without respect or dignity - as if already convicted - no trial necessary. I recall how everything I worked for and earned - and everything I believed in and stood for was stripped away from me. But luckily the last judge regarded the accusations as most serious and so he DEMANDED my accusers supply their evidence. Child protection first said they "lost the file"; then they "asked to withdraw" and finally they confessed to never having any evidence against me. Sadly my accusers never were tried for the many times they perjured in sworn court submissions. So I cannot regard any of them as being my equal in terms of BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT I THINK DO AND SAY. Further that equality is in their control. They can make themselves my equal any time they choose to - there is no patriarchy to blame in this. But you know so few are loud about climbing to the top in commerce, but I see so few wanting this equality. And really women will never be my equal so long as they choose to skip the equalities they find less advantageous. Little do they realise, that rESPONSIBILITY is the foundation of self-respect and character building.
@@missjones1640 Thank you for caring. Please forgive me if I inform you a bit more. Why do I comment like this? Well for a start it is true. And then I see the lives of so many people, children, parents and extended families destroyed through maliciousness & lies. In my world FAMILY is the foundation of our societies and our future. I understand you hoping that our lives are now calm and on a positive trajectory, but that will never be. My daughter is so damaged that although she is over 30yrs old now, she is hopeless. All those bigoted hypocritical entities which gush so much as if they care about family violence afford that daughter no recognition, let alone any aid. I do my best because i am Dad and that is a non-negotiable duty so long as I draw breath. As I see it, people like me do the real work while the pretenders line up for honours twice every year - well only after receiving all the funding intended for victims like my daughter. How can anyone be more contemptible? Anyway, I was lucky to get the last judge because he thoroughly tested all the allegations such as they were, and he cleared me absolutely. That happens very rarely, and its even rarer for an accused father to go on to gain custody and raise their daughters. So I am able to speak up - and so feel some obligation to do so. I am against any sexually preferenced policies or organisations. So I have only associated with groups who aid families regardless of sex race age etc. Certainly feminism and feminist policies never have aided my daughter. It might surprise you but the first violent abuse of her was observed when she was just six months old
"anti-male injustice" doesn't exist. Your own (weird) situation (in a fucked up relationship where you are involved with authorities over family abuse) is making you misogynistic. Deal with reality sanely and objectively, rather than latching onto vague ideas like "anti male injustice" or you are in no position to object to the anti-free speech nonsense going on in society.
@@missjones1640 Thank you for your reply. First up it was the State paid social-workers who created the lies and used taxpayers money to promote their anti-family programs. But I suspect we cannot go through false allegations without another rarely noticed casualty - that being our confidence in Justice. From the top legislation, through policy, right down to incarceration, one thing is isn't related to is JUSTICE. Once I used to rest easy that those accused were probably guilty - but no more. When I hear an accusation, my mind echoes "is he guilty?" False allegations corrode our trust in justice, safety and fairness.
It really is. Sjws and cancel culture jump on everything little thing regardless of facts. The way the main stream media pander to this is also sickening.
@@colinreeves6473 Some of his facts are true, and some of them aren't. We're already changing up our immigration policy to ensure that less dangerous people come into our country so what do we have to gain by stirring up racial hatred and violence. I've been to one of his rallies with my african amercian boyfriend in Manchester and to say that Tommy Robinson's crowd aren't a bunch of racists is a complete lie. At one point a load of black guys ended up crowding round us because it seemed like it was going to kick off and we did nothing, nothing. Tommy Robinson should be in jail, let a proper government sort out our issues instead of that thug.
@WhyOWhy Man, we just need a small federal government. If there are "Nazis" or Blacks or Religious guys .... Let people live the way they want. And There is always a local government. Even in a Buddhist or Anarchists or Communist or Libertarian .... Community. Just let "Nazis" be. What is the issue? You don't have to hangout with them. * And who am I to say who will be better. Let the people to sort themselves out Nature will select the best. (We need a Government to insure it's not a force). Ok BASIC education. Basic health care.. That's all!! No wars please.. No women studies.
@WhyOWhy Man the government healthcare & education should be the last resort. It will boost the economy.... More small businesses & more jobs.... All this stupid Government policies have been tried across the world. Nazis have decided to kill people. Chinese/Korean/USSR ... They made everybody to wear the same uniform!! Tyranny is a logical conclusion to Socialism Don't you love the environment? Or you hate women & children? Or not a real communist? So you do what some idiot says.x
Young is mistaken when he says that no one, other than the bosses at ITV, believed Stewart intended a racial slur. The issue here is that once an allegation is made no public or private institution, whether they accept the charge or not, is willing to contest it because they are afraid of a backlash. If they had supported Stewart there would have been an opportunity to expose the tactics of the cancel culture fanatics to the wider public, thereby making such malicious behavior harder to pull off in the future. But that would require principles and courage, of which they have neither.
Chances are that ITV used the furore to get rid of him. They may have wanted to do so anyway and this was their chance. That doesn't change a thing. We saw the lunatics and their accusations. I suggest that the only bigotry in that case was against Stewart. He was only attacked because he was not black.
But they support the view that censorship and suppression of alternative views is a good thing, so have no incentive to support anyone like Alastair Stewart. It plays into their hands. The greater the infiltration, the less we will be able to change.
I had the PC mob descend on me 10 years ago and rip me to shreds. The gaslighting around it was intense. Even now I still get attacks a decade later based on events that occurred then.
@@ha-dt4or, no Mike H had it spot on, the same hysterical mentality that drives twitter outrage mobs is what drove witch burning a few centuries ago, perhaps you are the village idiot or a sad troll !
Hysteria exacerbated by unscrupulously self interested lawyers like Matthew Hopkins. Neighbour turned against neighbour out of fear of themselves being on the receiving end of the accusatory finger. So it is with the so called woke pc etc. Many of these people are merely blind or bewildered fools led like sheep. Critical thinking through education is the anti-dote. David Starkey as Minister for Education would be a good start for England at least.
This is absolutely fantastic. This program is exactly what should have been implemented years ago. Thank God it finally has. Hopefully more than one entity will also provide the same services. People can't keep being afraid to speak their mind. Thank you good sir.
The thing that really confuses me, is why no one is campaigning to have libel and slander laws amended? It should a case where people can be sued for lying / Misrepresenting/ publishing without fact checking!! This in of itself will solve a lot of problems !! Any down side to this ?
If anyone ever called me a Nazi in published media I WOULD sue and don't see how other people don't. Lack of $$$ I guess. (Not that I have any $$$ tho lol)
Many downsides ... How do you tell when someone is lying - telling deliberate falsehoods? How can you prove they didn't check their facts? It's easy to make a genuine mistake. Suing people would just a be a license for lawyers to make money. There are so many grey areas in life where things are disputed in good faith, as well as bad faith.
@@boilingfrog783 Indeed, there's offence without crime, judgement without defence, condemnation without redemption. It's a twisted parody of the morality on which western civilisation was established.
This continues to puzzle me: - why do these corporates cave in so readily? Are they really run by self-loathing bleeding hearts? Or is there pressure on them from other quarters to behave like this? On the surface , it makes little sense to me.
@@robinbeckford Man the Corporations do what the government tells them to do. In China the same Corporations do what Chinese government tells them to do. Why Corporations specifically love Women, Black & Trans? Why not the Little People, Poor, Asians? Who tells the Corporations what group of people they have to love? So it's all coming from Big Government. The Government distributes billions/trillions - tax cuts & subsidies & grants & contracts & tariffs .... Some Women/Equality ministry can veto any contract or subsidy ... If You don't have 50% representation, you won't get the grants & contracts... Like why there are no movies about the boys anymore? Because You won't get a tax cut; You won't receive the grants; Libraries won't buy it & school won't watch it Just say you love Women & ship the weapons to ISIS. Nobody gives shit. Just for fun, go open a charity for boys. In Canada the MRAs tried to use the Feminists names on the application to open a charity. And it's not like a crazy MRA group. The group is called CAFE - Canadian Association for Equality. They have events & completely legit group.
@@robinbeckford I think the corporates fear the inevitable media back lash that would happen if one of them stepped out of line, not because the media give a toss about any of the issues, but because they could whip up a shitstorm that would hopefully sell them more copy, as for the online news sites, the more traffic they can direct to their site , the more advertising revenue they make. I think a lot of this confected outrage about one issue or offended minority or another is simply that, just the media outlets blowing something insignificant out of all proportion simply to increase their revenue stream, I blame the media for most of this crap we now have to put up with because they are the ones giving this shit oxygen
Some people have taken victimhood to ridiculous levels. It could be classed as a disease. I just knew that not disciplining children would have a negative effect on society.
I like Toby Young. He does not evade questions. He plays the ball, not the man. I usually find his arguments reasonable. He is fair to those with different political viewpoints. I find some right-wingers unpleasant, but Young is different.
I love this channel. The guests they have on are fantastically interesting. I loveToby Young. KEEP THE STANDARD UP. I AM GLUED TO EVERY QUESTION AND ANSWER.
Toby please stop calling Alistair Stewart's tweet careless. To my mind "Careless" sounds apologetic. Alistair did nothing wrong! Far too many people immediately apologize when challenged about their speech or beliefs!!! EITHER WAY GREAT SHOW AND GOOD LLUCK!!!!!
@@EastWing411It completely undermines Toby's position. He claims to be a defender of free speech and immediately starts by apologising to the woke and easily offended. As a self declared "defender of free speech" Toby should have thoroughly defended Alistair's tweet. Toby why was it careless????
Absolutely right. I hope Delingpole manages to get him to realise his error here. If he describes that tweet as careless then he has let lunatic leftism in at the ground floor of his Free Speech Union. Even if it is an initial success, it will in time be eaten by left wing infiltrators... who may not even be doing it consciously. But this thinking and these people will completely undermine the principle and turn his organisation into one which defends the left from right wing criticism but abandons the right to left wing smears and tortious interference.
Liked! I love when someone takes action against these kinds of abuses. If I hear about the Free Speech Union again, I'm going to track it down and join. He's right--Why don't we have our own Amnesty International to fight these kinds of vigilante abuses? Good luck to you, sir.
Another great , well I was going to say interview, however I think more correctly a great chat. Great channel Peter. Thank you . Interesting chap Toby. The anti-woke fight is definitely on ! The “trans- Taliban” 😂
A clever man. Great to see his cleverness is matched by his pro-active spirit. As a teacher I would love to work in one of his schools! He is a fair man.
I'm new to computers in very old age, but your discussion is encouraging, I have always taken for granted freedom of speech, but for at least 10-15 years seen this grow,. Thank you.
Thank you Toby and Peter. Your example is adjusting the balance between woke and freedom of expression. The Influence woke has is so disproportionate to reality. Please take care, watch your backs and keep on keeping on. They're out to get you. As a Christian you can count on my playful support. Bless you and yours. G
We need this in the US? We have the 1st protecting free speech in law, but this doesn't stop HR departments from harrasing workers with the outrage culture.
Freedom of speech - The first rung on the ladder of freedom. I will sign up.
yes - was hoping for a link to sign up
Toby speaks brilliantly, but listen to what he says. He is not making an argument for free speech, he is making an argument that he should not have to bear the consequences of his free speech.
@@chriscolabella880 And that applies to all of us. Why should we all face prosecution, because some Snowflake etc., feels offended. I am always reminded of the gentleman who was arrested for quoting Winston Churchill. Remove the gags imposed upon us since I was born.
@@shackledcitizen My previous comment appears to have vanished. You are in favour of free speech though, yes?
Let me put it differently, have you read Milton? There's a difference between the liberty to say whatever you will and the licence to say whatever you like without consequence. I would defend to the death Toby's right to publicly make inappropriate comments about his colleague's breasts. He does not have the right to then whinge when his questionable choices negatively impact his career.
@@chriscolabella880 I can't disagree with Milton either. Accepting free speech ,of course means accepting critism for ones expressed opinions. Personally, I don't give a hoot if people call me names. If it is true, it doesn't bother me. If it is untrue, then I ignore it, unless , of course it is libelous or slanderous to an extent which would require judicial involvement. I am talking about common sense free speech which all sensible people understand and which once prevailed in our land and others in the free world.
So what really happened after the little boy shouted out 'The King has no clothes!' Is that the little boy was pounced on and beaten to death, by the tiny percent of 'Woke Folk', present in the crowd. Whilst the 98% of those who agreed with the lad, all looked to the floor and kept their mouths shut. (And they all lived Happily Ever After!) THE END!
Nice one, Saint John. btw I hope your last name doesn't start with a W or you'd be an SJW!
When the little boy yelled out that the king was naked, everyone knew it was true, but they continued to carry the invisible robes as the king walked.
Saint John Yaaasss!! "They" have us well-trained.
Christ hospital school
What is really disturbing is people /family who you thought you knew agree with the spouted propaganda and do no research and I'd you question this they turn on you ,doing there job for them
I was speaking with my son about this last night. We defined two types - racism where hate and intent matters. Then there's the woke version which is “tripwire racism” . Where no hate or intent is required and context doesn’t matter. Tripwire racism is designed to bully you into silence. You don't commit it. For the victims of tripwire racism it's a passive experience - it's a trap you fall into and become ensnared.
The Alastair Stewart episode is a good example of tripwire racism.
No intent, no malice and no hate was required to 'get' him. 👍
'Tripwire racism ' is a term I shall use in discussion from now. It should inspire comment!
Toby is brilliant. I mean, literally brilliant and he articulates his arguments so well. I, like Rod Liddle, thought we might have reached "peak wank" at one stage - but no, the militancy and dangerous absurdity of the left seems to have doubled-down. I liked Peter's comment about finding certain actors, publications and so on, unwatchable or unreadable now because of their wokeish intolerance for any sort of dissenting voice. Thankfully, we still have people like Peter and Toby to provide us with enlightened, progressive and sane conversations.
I agree with your post but what is the difference between 'brilliant' and 'literally brilliant'?
@@johnjones6601 Hi john, just trying to distinguish between the slang usage of brilliant - something exciting or wonderful and the fact that I think Toby is a bit of genius. I take your point tho', "literally" is often misused.
@@marinedrive5484 yes - and one example I keep hearing recently is "(so & so) is literally a fascist.."
@@johnjones6601 His bald head reflects the light, so he is *_literally_* (not just figuratively) brilliant.
@@sunnyjim1355 And you are doing what all people who feel oppressed 'should' do by not giving in and fighting back, well done!
I quite like Cancel Culture. I've just cancelled my BBC TV License. Result!
Philistine an unwise
@MrKingdig After a long weekend away. I came home yesterday to four automated threats left on my housephone messages, by the BBC's tv license Goons. I'm guessing that the poor dears must be wearing out plenty of shoe leather right now. Following up on folk like myself, who have simply had enough of 'Aunties' Leftie propaganda horse shit. F**k 'em!
@@saintjohn6295 ... Mr Saint John - if that's your real name - you are coarse, vulgar and low - one of the reasons we need the BBC instead of your yob values. As for Mr Kingdig - if that's his real name - if Big Brother is the height of his broadcasting aspirations he is beyond hope. You live in a crass intellectual wilderness
@MrKingdig A good idea. Burning all of 'Aunties' junk and adding to their Carbon Footprint. They'll love that. You haven't watched their garbage in years, so you're missing all of their current Global Warming/Climate Change hysteria. It's none stop. No house visits from their thugs as of yet. I've watched 'How to get rid of them' videos on RUclips. Simply by saying 'I am removing your right to enter my property', has them instantly spin on their heels, and they're off. Uncannily like exorcising the Devil from your hearth. How very odd?
Congrats mate! This must be the single case in which we should fully support cancel culture
"Offence archeologists" - funny and befitting! Can we adopt this phrase??
Online metal detectorists was another goodun.
Another one - subtly different - is 'offence mining'. The offence archeologists sift through a Twitter user's history in order to find something to weaponise, whereas the offence miners take whatever is said in the present and perform mental gymnastics in order to be offended.
and Twitchfork mob
pammens miss -so we are stuck? Condemned to always use phrases they invent?. ...wait! there is so much creativity here.
Chaaarge, soldiers of language!!! :o)
"Outrage inquisitioners" as well
Cancel the Blair Laws. That would be a start.
that bastard started the whole thing--this is a EU project. SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE.
@@JNYC-gb1pp Find out!
Stephen Cockett - why not go back further to say 1930? Then copy and paste all those 1930s laws from Germany, it would be bliss for “people” like you. Or you could go one further and repeal all laws since Magna Carta, you’d be in a constant orgasm.
@@JNYC-gb1pp i'm afraid it only works one way.
Peter Edwards ..... cancel Blair, he’s at the root of all Marxist evil in British society today.
Commenting as a father who was twice falsely accused in order to deflect the authorities attention to my wife who was harming our daughters while I was at work - I say that the anti male injustice goes a lot further than Free-speech. Free- speech is certainly a very important facet of this - I recall the moment I became a totally dismissed non-entity - talked about - not reasoned with - treated without respect or dignity - as if already convicted - no trial necessary. I recall how everything I worked for and earned - and everything I believed in and stood for was stripped away from me. But luckily the last judge regarded the accusations as most serious and so he DEMANDED my accusers supply their evidence. Child protection first said they "lost the file"; then they "asked to withdraw" and finally they confessed to never having any evidence against me. Sadly my accusers never were tried for the many times they perjured in sworn court submissions. So I cannot regard any of them as being my equal in terms of BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT I THINK DO AND SAY. Further that equality is in their control. They can make themselves my equal any time they choose to - there is no patriarchy to blame in this. But you know so few are loud about climbing to the top in commerce, but I see so few wanting this equality. And really women will never be my equal so long as they choose to skip the equalities they find less advantageous. Little do they realise, that rESPONSIBILITY is the foundation of self-respect and character building.
Good on you for not going under during that terrible time.
Best wishes for now and the future..
@@missjones1640 Thank you for caring. Please forgive me if I inform you a bit more. Why do I comment like this? Well for a start it is true. And then I see the lives of so many people, children, parents and extended families destroyed through maliciousness & lies. In my world FAMILY is the foundation of our societies and our future.
I understand you hoping that our lives are now calm and on a positive trajectory, but that will never be. My daughter is so damaged that although she is over 30yrs old now, she is hopeless. All those bigoted hypocritical entities which gush so much as if they care about family violence afford that daughter no recognition, let alone any aid. I do my best because i am Dad and that is a non-negotiable duty so long as I draw breath. As I see it, people like me do the real work while the pretenders line up for honours twice every year - well only after receiving all the funding intended for victims like my daughter. How can anyone be more contemptible? Anyway, I was lucky to get the last judge because he thoroughly tested all the allegations such as they were, and he cleared me absolutely. That happens very rarely, and its even rarer for an accused father to go on to gain custody and raise their daughters. So I am able to speak up - and so feel some obligation to do so. I am against any sexually preferenced policies or organisations. So I have only associated with groups who aid families regardless of sex race age etc. Certainly feminism and feminist policies never have aided my daughter. It might surprise you but the first violent abuse of her was observed when she was just six months old
"anti-male injustice" doesn't exist. Your own (weird) situation (in a fucked up relationship where you are involved with authorities over family abuse) is making you misogynistic. Deal with reality sanely and objectively, rather than latching onto vague ideas like "anti male injustice" or you are in no position to object to the anti-free speech nonsense going on in society.
The correct term is: Misandry
@@missjones1640 Thank you for your reply. First up it was the State paid social-workers who created the lies and used taxpayers money to promote their anti-family programs. But I suspect we cannot go through false allegations without another rarely noticed casualty - that being our confidence in Justice. From the top legislation, through policy, right down to incarceration, one thing is isn't related to is JUSTICE. Once I used to rest easy that those accused were probably guilty - but no more. When I hear an accusation, my mind echoes "is he guilty?" False allegations corrode our trust in justice, safety and fairness.
This is a long overdue initiative.
Good luck, you are a brave man, Toby.
What a boring man
Common sense, reason and decency seems to be disappearing rapidly.
It really is. Sjws and cancel culture jump on everything little thing regardless of facts. The way the main stream media pander to this is also sickening.
Yes, decency disappears in conjunction with their growing power. The mask comes off.
They are moving us towards a fascist society.
They disappeared ages ago.
I want to join the Free Speech Union.
Me too!
And me...👍
What about the lies told by Facebook about Tommy Robinson ?
The point is we are in our right to just ignore him. Society will punish Tommy Robinson we don't have to.
@@joesmaley4268 punish him for what??? telling the truth?
@@colinreeves6473 Some of his facts are true, and some of them aren't. We're already changing up our immigration policy to ensure that less dangerous people come into our country so what do we have to gain by stirring up racial hatred and violence. I've been to one of his rallies with my african amercian boyfriend in Manchester and to say that Tommy Robinson's crowd aren't a bunch of racists is a complete lie. At one point a load of black guys ended up crowding round us because it seemed like it was going to kick off and we did nothing, nothing.
Tommy Robinson should be in jail, let a proper government sort out our issues instead of that thug.
Tommy Robinson is the bravest man in Britain!
I suggest that you read his book.
It’s the lawyers that have turned this issue into a complete nightmare.
Carina Edwards From what I understand (which is very limited), it's the Judiciary that needs educating...
@@roncollins3078
Actually the Feminist/SJW Ministries are educating the courts.
Totally agree
@WhyOWhy
Man, we just need a small federal government.
If there are "Nazis" or Blacks or Religious guys ....
Let people live the way they want.
And There is always a local government.
Even in a Buddhist or Anarchists or Communist or Libertarian .... Community.
Just let "Nazis" be.
What is the issue?
You don't have to hangout with them.
*
And who am I to say who will be better.
Let the people to sort themselves out
Nature will select the best.
(We need a Government to insure it's not a force).
Ok BASIC education.
Basic health care..
That's all!!
No wars please..
No women studies.
@WhyOWhy
Man the government healthcare & education should be the last resort.
It will boost the economy....
More small businesses & more jobs....
All this stupid Government policies have been tried across the world.
Nazis have decided to kill people.
Chinese/Korean/USSR ...
They made everybody to wear the same uniform!!
Tyranny is a logical conclusion to Socialism
Don't you love the environment?
Or you hate women & children?
Or not a real communist?
So you do what some idiot says.x
Young is mistaken when he says that no one, other than the bosses at ITV, believed Stewart intended a racial slur. The issue here is that once an allegation is made no public or private institution, whether they accept the charge or not, is willing to contest it because they are afraid of a backlash. If they had supported Stewart there would have been an opportunity to expose the tactics of the cancel culture fanatics to the wider public, thereby making such malicious behavior harder to pull off in the future. But that would require principles and courage, of which they have neither.
Chances are that ITV used the furore to get rid of him. They may have wanted to do so anyway and this was their chance. That doesn't change a thing. We saw the lunatics and their accusations. I suggest that the only bigotry in that case was against Stewart. He was only attacked because he was not black.
But they support the view that censorship and suppression of alternative views is a good thing, so have no incentive to support anyone like Alastair Stewart. It plays into their hands. The greater the infiltration, the less we will be able to change.
I had the PC mob descend on me 10 years ago and rip me to shreds. The gaslighting around it was intense. Even now I still get attacks a decade later based on events that occurred then.
Absolutely brilliant...Thank you Toby Young. I’ll be joining the your Union .
I will be joining the Free Speech Union.
no more union `s .... call i something else ...
Movement
People described here would have been burning women as witches a few hundred years ago.
And you would have been the village idiot.
@@ha-dt4or, no Mike H had it spot on, the same hysterical mentality that drives twitter outrage mobs is what drove witch burning a few centuries ago, perhaps you are the village idiot or a sad troll !
Hysteria exacerbated by unscrupulously self interested lawyers like Matthew Hopkins. Neighbour turned against neighbour out of fear of themselves being on the receiving end of the accusatory finger.
So it is with the so called woke pc etc. Many of these people are merely blind or bewildered fools led like sheep.
Critical thinking through education is the anti-dote. David Starkey as Minister for Education would be a good start for England at least.
I'm in, and encouraging all my friends to do so!
John Bell ...Absolutely...I’m going to spread the word. This has been long overdue & a brilliant idea.
"Trans Taliban" hehehehe i never thought I'd hear those 2 words put together
Spot on isnt it?
This is absolutely fantastic. This program is exactly what should have been implemented years ago. Thank God it finally has. Hopefully more than one entity will also provide the same services. People can't keep being afraid to speak their mind.
Thank you good sir.
The thing that really confuses me, is why no one is campaigning to have libel and slander laws amended? It should a case where people can be sued for lying / Misrepresenting/ publishing without fact checking!! This in of itself will solve a lot of problems !! Any down side to this ?
If anyone ever called me a Nazi in published media I WOULD sue and don't see how other people don't. Lack of $$$ I guess.
(Not that I have any $$$ tho lol)
Surprised there are not (if there I have not heard of it, pro bono slander/libel solicitors)
Many downsides ... How do you tell when someone is lying - telling deliberate falsehoods? How can you prove they didn't check their facts? It's easy to make a genuine mistake. Suing people would just a be a license for lawyers to make money. There are so many grey areas in life where things are disputed in good faith, as well as bad faith.
Another excellent conversation, Peter: thank you.
And Toby: well done for setting up the Free Speech Union - I shall be joining...
Offence archaeologists 👍, well done .
Yes, Peter a really powerful episode. Thanks to you both...
So refreshing to hear this conversation with Toby Young and find sensible articulate polite people.
Great interview. Free speech must be protected and the mob brought to heel.
This is what happens when society abandons objective morality for the popularity contest called "ethics".
@@boilingfrog783 Indeed, there's offence without crime, judgement without defence, condemnation without redemption. It's a twisted parody of the morality on which western civilisation was established.
Well done Toby! Finally, a glimmer of sanity. I wish you well and pray that you succeed.
Wow! Finally a step in the right direction. May it grow into great strides against the media mafia
I blame the corporate's who have jumped on this woke band wagon for no other reason than virtue signalling
This continues to puzzle me: - why do these corporates cave in so readily? Are they really run by self-loathing bleeding hearts? Or is there pressure on them from other quarters to behave like this? On the surface , it makes little sense to me.
@@robinbeckford
Man the Corporations do what the government tells them to do.
In China the same Corporations do what Chinese government tells them to do.
Why Corporations specifically love Women, Black & Trans?
Why not the Little People, Poor, Asians?
Who tells the Corporations what group of people they have to love?
So it's all coming from Big Government.
The Government distributes billions/trillions - tax cuts & subsidies & grants & contracts & tariffs ....
Some Women/Equality ministry can veto any contract or subsidy ...
If You don't have 50% representation, you won't get the grants & contracts...
Like why there are no movies about the boys anymore?
Because You won't get a tax cut;
You won't receive the grants;
Libraries won't buy it & school won't watch it
Just say you love Women & ship the weapons to ISIS.
Nobody gives shit.
Just for fun, go open a charity for boys.
In Canada the MRAs tried to use the Feminists names on the application to open a charity.
And it's not like a crazy MRA group.
The group is called CAFE - Canadian Association for Equality.
They have events & completely legit group.
@@robinbeckford I think the corporates fear the inevitable media back lash that would happen if one of them stepped out of line, not because the media give a toss about any of the issues, but because they could whip up a shitstorm that would hopefully sell them more copy, as for the online news sites, the more traffic they can direct to their site , the more advertising revenue they make.
I think a lot of this confected outrage about one issue or offended minority or another is simply that, just the media outlets blowing something insignificant out of all proportion simply to increase their revenue stream,
I blame the media for most of this crap we now have to put up with because they are the ones giving this shit oxygen
@@robinbeckford The " place men " are " in place " -- end game - check mate !!!
You people have no idea who's causing the chaos on the planet, and yet you think you're so intelligent, you're hilarious.
This week we found out that Ofcom are going to police “social media”... a very troubling development.
Great point about realising the world isn’t as fair as we thought it was. That’s exactly the reason I’m a grumpy old man now.
This is so wonderful! I am so pleased about this fightback.
Very interesting interview. May the fight against "liberal" intolerance and bigotry continue!
No one nails my tongue to a board, we were born free.....✊
What a great idea from Toby. Keep up the good work.
Absolutely marvelous! A bulls eye conception, just what we need, and about time. I'm signing up right away. Congratulations, Toby Young!
You are still playing their game Toby so will never win. Never apologise and go on the offensive.
Yup he wants to fight on ground of their choosing but it's a start,
Some people have taken victimhood to ridiculous levels. It could be classed as a disease. I just knew that not disciplining children would have a negative effect on society.
you are right, they just remain spoilt children into adulthood.
Its a form of Munchausen's syndrome. They are sad folks who just want attention.
This is chilling
Two guys discussing something logically expressing considered views, how refreshing!!
I like Toby Young. He does not evade questions. He plays the ball, not the man. I usually find his arguments reasonable. He is fair to those with different political viewpoints. I find some right-wingers unpleasant, but Young is different.
From Brasil. Bravo! Mr. Young is the Voltaire of our times. Bless you, Mr. Young
I love this channel.
The guests they have on are fantastically interesting.
I loveToby Young.
KEEP THE STANDARD UP.
I AM GLUED TO EVERY QUESTION AND ANSWER.
Outstanding interview. It's a pity we can't collectively form a new 'youtube' like platform without the de-platforming of balanced debate.
This project should be world wide. I believe we are the majority, not the extreme censorious.
So far it appears that the woke virus has only spread to the Anglosphere.
Great idea and unfortunately needed. Without free speech we are not free.
I have to say this is one of the best episodes so far. Thank you.
Toby Young is so great to listen to and thankfully brave enough to continue speaking out through the various shitstorms. Bravo!
Toby please stop calling Alistair Stewart's tweet careless.
To my mind "Careless" sounds apologetic.
Alistair did nothing wrong!
Far too many people immediately apologize when challenged about their speech or beliefs!!!
EITHER WAY GREAT SHOW AND GOOD LLUCK!!!!!
Found that annoying also
@@EastWing411It completely undermines Toby's position. He claims to be a defender of free speech and immediately starts by apologising to the woke and easily offended.
As a self declared "defender of free speech" Toby should have thoroughly defended Alistair's tweet.
Toby why was it careless????
Absolutely right. I hope Delingpole manages to get him to realise his error here. If he describes that tweet as careless then he has let lunatic leftism in at the ground floor of his Free Speech Union. Even if it is an initial success, it will in time be eaten by left wing infiltrators... who may not even be doing it consciously. But this thinking and these people will completely undermine the principle and turn his organisation into one which defends the left from right wing criticism but abandons the right to left wing smears and tortious interference.
@@Saddamuel I totally agree with you.
Appeasement fuels this vile outrage culture.
Toby you remind me of Theresa May - please get a life!
He did say that if you listen
The tension can be heard in Toby's voice.
Glad he has stayed strong as creepy leftists can drive the sanest person mad.
Thanks a lot Peter for a much overdue and welcome discussion. I’ve just joined the FS Union and am thrilled to be once again a member of a union.
Liked!
I love when someone takes action against these kinds of abuses. If I hear about the Free Speech Union again, I'm going to track it down and join. He's right--Why don't we have our own Amnesty International to fight these kinds of vigilante abuses? Good luck to you, sir.
Another great , well I was going to say interview, however I think more correctly a great chat.
Great channel Peter.
Thank you .
Interesting chap Toby.
The anti-woke fight is definitely on !
The “trans- Taliban” 😂
Much needed and well overdue. Freedom of speech must be defended or ALL live by the exact same rules of free speech suppression. Congratulations Toby
A clever man. Great to see his cleverness is matched by his pro-active spirit. As a teacher I would love to work in one of his schools! He is a fair man.
About time somebody grew some bloody balls to take on the outrage mob. Well done.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is so inspiring. I will spread the word about your group.
Good idea, actually a great idea.
Total kudos to you my friend, for beginning the push back against these well placed, and indeed well financed agents of anti-democratic process!
How fantastic, Jordan Peterson would be happy to see this 👍
He’s a fake. I was caught by his nonsense at first too.
Kenneth Mackie why is he a fake?
Gosh some sense at last!!!
I thumb up this. Fortunately I am in the USA so the British Thought Police can't come after me, for now.
I saw toby young last night at comedy unleashed, was hilarious!
What a fantastic idea - that is what is needed against the attack mob on twatter and FB
I'll join the Free Speech Union.
Good man.
Important stuff, thanks Toby
Brilliant!
Ask John Bercow about the immutable laws of Karma. His case was specially fast tracked.......poor sausage. Hahahah.
ITV need to look at themselves. Pathetic weak organisations acts the way they did.
BIG empathy Toby.
I'm new to computers in very old age, but your discussion is encouraging, I have always taken for granted freedom of speech, but for at least 10-15 years seen this grow,. Thank you.
I wish great success to the Free Speech Union. Thank you and I hope it spreads to the States. Great idea!
The series is always watchable, but this episode was riveting. Well done, Peter and Toby.
🙏 Thank goodness for RUclips 👍😃
Free speech union! I'm in!
Thank you Toby and Peter. Your example is adjusting the balance between woke and freedom of expression. The Influence woke has is so disproportionate to reality. Please take care, watch your backs and keep on keeping on. They're out to get you. As a Christian you can count on my playful support. Bless you and yours. G
Well done this is just what we need
This is awesome.
This is so needed in the current climate. What a great idea
Fantastic idea. Kind of a shield against the cancel-culture. I will sign up and spread the word.
We need this in the US? We have the 1st protecting free speech in law, but this doesn't stop HR departments from harrasing workers with the outrage culture.
Loving you Toby young feeling drowning in sanity feels great 👍
I'm donating straight away.
Hat off to you Toby.
LOVE THIS!!
Thank you.
Wow this guy is impressive. And a strong speaker. Just what we need!
Spot on
Very on point and extremely well articulated.
Just found this by chance. Loving it!! 😊
This man is doing good work. New member here.
Love Toby Young, we need people like him.
Brilliant! Toby Young is ace!
Great stuff, Toby. Will be joining. Good luck.
Excellent.
Well done Toby - much needed union. Especially with OFCOM regulating the internet ;)