Stephen Porges: The Polyvagal Theory & The Vagal Nerve -
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2015
- Stephen Porges comes to Bulletproof Radio to share his pioneering research on the vagus nerve, how the cues it receives play a major role in stress, social behavior and the nervous system and some tips on how to improve its response.
Dr. Porges is a Distinguished University Scientist at Indiana University where he directs the Trauma Research Center in the Kinsey Institute. He is Professor of Psychiatry at the University of North Carolina, Professor Emeritus at the University of Illinois at Chicago, where he directed the Brain-Body Center in the Department of Psychiatry, and Professor Emeritus at the University of Maryland, where he chaired the Department of Human Development and directed the Institute for Child Study. In 1994 he proposed the Polyvagal Theory, a theory that links the evolution of the mammalian autonomic nervous system to social behavior and emphasizes the importance of physiological state in the expression of behavioral problems and psychiatric disorders.
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Stephenporges.com - stephenporges.com/
A selection of Dr. Porges publications - stephenporges.com/index.php/sc...
Talks by Dr. Porges on RUclips - ruclips.net/user/results?searc...
Resources
Polyvagal Theory - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvag...
Autonomic nervous system - www.merckmanuals.com/home/brai...
Neuroception - eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ938225
Hypoxia - www.webmd.com/asthma/guide/hyp...
Phylogenetics - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyloge...
Vagus nerve - emedicine.medscape.com/article...
Heart rate variability - circ.ahajournals.org/content/9...
Vagal tone - www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O6-v...
Apnea - kidshealth.org/parent/medical/...
Bradycardia - www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-co...
Homeostatic functions - www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-...
Nucleus ambiguus - www.britannica.com/science/nuc...
Myelination - tweenparenting.about.com/od/ph...
Myelinated vagus nerve - masgutovamethod.com/content/ov...
Pranayama yoga - www.yogajournal.com/category/p...
Cranial nerve 5 - 12cranialnerves.wordpress.com...
Cranial nerve 7 - 12cranialnerves.wordpress.com...
Dr. Sue Carter - www.kinseyinstitute.org/about/...
Dr. Lana - www.betterbabybook.com/better...
Health registry database in Nordic countries - www.norden.org/en/fakta-om-nor...
HIV’s impact on vagal recognition - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...
Ventral vagal state - reichandlowentherapy.org/Conte...
The Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education
On Combat - / ccarestanford
Neuroception - www.amazon.com/On-Combat-Psych...
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27:00 Vagal Tone and supporting health and restoration. Problems with vagal tone. 28:50 If your vagal regulation is not working right, you gravitate to ingestion or eating; vagal activity to re tone. Singing, playing instruments, Yoga, meditation. This stuff is solid gold! Thanks Dave!!!! Have him on again!!!! WOW.
"Appreciate the vulnerability of our pets, friends, and loved ones" - deep, beautiful and profound.
Mind blown. So many “lightbulb moments”. This was amazing. Porges is amazing. Life changing this info!
I ACTUALLY CAN'T DEAL. I have grabbed my face and said OH MY GOD at least 3 times now. I've been studying this stuff for years now... this brings it together SO well. It also explains the new ASMR phenomenon. I am going to recycle this into an easy to understand video. Thank you both..
Adelle, I feel you girl. It was just last year that I found out about the "Vagus" nerve and man OH! man did it hit me really heard. Now I know that the chemicals in vaccines, especially mercury "Thamerisol" is one of the main enemies of the nervous system because mercury depletes the protective covering (myelin sheath) that surrounds nerve fibers in your brain, optic nerves and spinal cord. So when the damage is done the "Vagus Nerve Signalling" is no longer working at optimal levels, causing metabolic waste and inflammation to start getting backed up in organs. Then disease will manifest, like colitis or crones disease.
The good news is that with the discovery of the "EndoCannabinoid System" that has been recently recognized as a very important modulator system in the function of brain, endocrine, and immune tissues. Working very close with your nervous system to play a very important regulatory role in the secretion of hormones related to reproductive functions and response to stress and chronic pain too.
So what specific food can you eat or drink to support the critical function of your "Endocannabinoid System" and your "Vagus Nerve"?
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I have PTSD and severe anxiety which began following a TBI. I also have Fibromyalgia and C-PTSD. I've been in the docs office when my heartbeat was 38, very low blood pressure, temp of 88*F, and felt "normal". Many people have learned to adapt to their physiology when to others it appears to be deadly. Learning how the vagus nerve affects so many of us in odd ways is fascinating and very much a relief to why my body acts as it does.
I was immobilised with ME and I was totally paralysed. Like Dr Porgess said, " I literally didn't feel my body". I had left the body. I am using Meditation, hypnosis etc etc, the natural therapies for self and in my Counselling work, I am doing great with myself and the Clients outcomes.
Love your work and thank you Dr Porgess. Thank you sooo much.
I've just watched a new BBC doc that shows the vagus nerve is triggered in subjects self-identifying (via questionnaire) as neurotic when subjected to pain. Doctors have been taught we respond by increased heart rate/blood pressure but in fact in an introvert/neurotic subject the opposite occurs, they lower in response
WiFi, Cellular, Microwave frequency can have a profound effect on the Vagal nerve! Humm! Great podcast Dave!!!
I really really miss my golden retriever. My Vagal nerve hasn’t been the same since her passing. Gotta get a rescue dog for a companion soul. Dogs Rock!!!
Would you link to some studies showing the connection between wifi etc. and vagal affect? If credible, I'd be really interested to learn more.
@@falconerodland dr klingheardt from Sophia institute has tons of information about frequencies and the human body.
this video should have billions of views. it would change the world
Grateful you posted this interview. Im an Integral/SE/Somatic Therapist and this video is very helpful for my clients to understand the co-occurring health challenges they face. Both Porges and Levine pioneered this body of work decades before it finally became part of the conversation!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Often we talk about polyvagal theory to discuss trauma survivors who are in a state of constant shutdown and need to learn to feel safe and social again. But what about the trauma of emotional abuse and neglect? Where on the contrary, I seek connection with people so badly that I quickly feel safe and secure and ignore cues of dangers or red flags? How can that be rehabilitated? So far I've been working on mindfulness and stronger attunement to my gut, my instincts. I'm sort of thinking aloud here, wondering if anyone has any input. Love love love listening to Dr. Porges, always.
Amazingly eye opening! Thank you for this interview!
One of the best interviews so far. Gives me great understanding in so many areas that there ways uncertainty before.
WOW WOW WOW - I am so stimulated by Dr Porges! Truly he is amazing and had brought so much awareness to so many areas where this makes SO MUCH SENSE! For myself and my loved ones that deal with shut downs and wish to be more than their blocks, I am so grateful to hear this interview and watching more of his work! Gratitude
adding the social engagement system into my awareness scanning... five senses, thoughts, feelings, body sensations and now also connecting with another safe person and engaging does wonders. I am loving what I have learned from Steve so far and it ties in beautifully with everything else I have learned. I love the way you ended talking about being aware of our body reactions, honouring those reactions and addressing what you need to so you can feel safe. I think the world would be a better place if everyone took these steps to be a kick-ass human being
Dave! This is totally amazing! The discussion was fascinating. I'm so glad you had this discussion with Stephen. He's so brilliant... My family has an overactive vagal nerve. We now think our grandma (who suddenly passed out and died when she *thought* my brother was in a car accident) actually had syncope / vagal nerve issues...
My mom has a severely overactive vagus nerve (and naturally she had had colitis and IBS-D throughout her life ~ a "sensitive stomach") and she passed out (fainted) many years ago (they actually thought she had died bc her heart was shut down but she woke up). It occurred after eating Chinese food (that was later confirmed to have MSG)....
My oldest brother (who is in his 50s now) recently had his first syncope attack and it was after traveling from Key West (low elevation) to Colorado (high elevation) and he also had a couple beers apparently so was dehydrated as well.....
Anyways, I can't thank you enough. You're brilliant and I can sense you genuinely do this work to help others (and yourself in the process).... I would love to do an interview with you!!! I have so many questions on bulletproof but also on the sudden flux of gene mutations discovered ...
PS: I have a feeling that vagus nerve issues could be highlighted in highly-sensitive people. My family tends to be very empathetic and caring for others..... and I would love to see studies if there is a correlation between the "sensitive " types and an overactive vagus nerve.
PSS: Did you ever interview Sue Carter? If not, I would love to hear her thoughts about the lack of vaginal flora during C-section and what that means for a child's immune system in early and later development.
Thank you!! Kristina
You should look into Visceral and Neural Manipulation for yourself and your family. I study the work of J.P. Barral, DO and this type of manual therapy is extremely beneficial for helping calm the issues that you and your family are experiencing. www.gratitudehealingarts.com
The conversations at the Porges dinner table must be great!!! I really enjoyed this interview (all interviews are interesting). I've also used the PDF to read everything again to even get a better understanding. Thanks so much for all the effort you put in Bulletproof Radio.
Is there a transcript of this show somewhere?
You look so young here Dave. 6 Years has done a lot. Love what you do ❤️
this makes everything in my entire life make sense. thank you for this innovative insight.
I do animal rescue and this info is basic knowledge for us who know how to calm our animals. Why is this such a mystery when it comes to humans? Animals have emotions, and deep feelings, they have memory of bad and good, they forgive or not... they have bad dreams and good dreams. Observing their breathing, heartbeat, reactions, food intake and digestion, it is all apparent if we pay attention. I love Stephen Porges and have recently found links to his studies and presentations. We could live in peace and harmony if we were just taught to do so, and given the chance.
What is a great show! I'm really glad David kept after him to get that 'actionable advice.' This is the type of show that makes me feel as though it truly is possible to hack yourself at the core. Thank you Stephen Porges!
Oh, and please make sure to have his wife on the show!
+Timothy Walter Yes! Thank you for the reminder.
So good. Skip to the last 10 min. Pure genius.
Just listened to this first part while watching my bearded dragon sit completely inert in his cage. lol
This is the most interesting interview I've ever heard.
Great interview. Thank you!
Beautiful interview!! So many gems of wisdom!!! Thank you!
OMG what an awesome interview!!! This stuff is fascinating! Thank you!
Love this whole video - right before 30 minutes getting into pranayama was great :)
I love u Stephen porges! Such a profound mind and teacher..........i will use ur wisdom 👍
Wow. This is eye-opening.
Brilliant. This material was so fascinating to hear and so easy to understand, a tribute to the great knowledge and teaching ability of Stephen Porges, and very good questions. Thank you.
Excellent interview , thank you...
"I feel my body,therefore,I am"----good one!!
Very good podcast.....
I've watched nearly all of your shows. and that was the best yet !!! xx
+Alex Catchpole That is awesome to hear! Thank you for the feedback.
I have to second that! This is an excellent video! I was told about this by a colleague with regards to understanding how Douglas Heel's Be Activated system works. It may be something you want to explore. :)
Amazing interview!! Thank you!!
Thank you for this - fascinating and hope-giving
Amazingly fascinating stuff!
Thank you so much🙏🏻🌸💖
amazing interview
This podcast needs to be listened to again and again!!! Every time you get new and more profound insights! A true gem!!!!!
This is so amazing. I wonder about the effects of vagal nerve health being compromised due to things like the MTHFR gene mutations that starve our systems of important B vitamin absorptions in digestion which is so important to the vagus nerve working properly, for all the autonomic systems, including digestion, fight and flight, heart rate, and makes me think its a huge part of the problem too.
I have done a lot of research into the MTHFR issues, as I have them as well. The amino acid L-Serine is particularly beneficial for certain mutations. It's like a hack into the system and can be a complete game changer. Please work with an educated professional when using amino acids for supplementation, as there may be side effects/ contraindications for usage and dosage. Do not self treat with amino acids unless you are educated at a professional level on micronutrient balance and physiology. www.gratitudehealingarts.com
Thanks!
Fascinating information.
Yes, the best info yet. Thank you both.
Would like to be able to link to development of severe chemical & electromagnetic hypersensitivity, chronic fatigue etc
It IS "all in one's head" and myelinated vagal fibres!!
Thank you.
This is probably why I feel a surge of rage whenever I find myself unable to escape from cars driving around with their subwoofers blasting. yer blasting our nerves!
Cell towers too.
Very interesting interview.
WOW! And I probably just repeated the most frequently used world during the interview. Amazing.
Porges is fantastic, and this is such important info.
(Although his pronunciation of "Descartes" -- and, as he mentions, his French in general -- is hilarious.)
I wonder if this nerve has anything to do with the good shivers people get when they listen to beautiful music, particularly choral music since that uses a lot of kind sounding frequencies with the human voice.
+Iquey Interesting thought!
It's called ASMR: Autonomous sensory meridian response. There are a lot of ASMR videos on RUclips.. I don't get any of the tingles from ASMR anymore, although I did as a child.
Iquey I get that feeling from music a lot! Non pleasing sounds make me rage :(
HI, Thanks for his information. Where can I find the "shout outs" and links mentioned in your discussion?
Thanks
25:00 Mother and Fathers Voices. In the body, low voice is trigger of defense. So when fathers are angry with their children, they are automatically instilling fear in their children or at least inducing fear.
I am a female and In most cases, I do not like the sound or the singing of female voices.
Thank you Dr. Porges for an extremely meaningful podcast for me.
The hierarchy of polyvagal nervous systems. Yeah, I’ve never been to Vegas but I can imagine it. 20 yrs ago I was working P/ T for NYC & walked outside on my break to a massage street demonstration. An older Asian woman worked on my back & vegas nerve for 10 minutes for free with amazing results. The only time it ever worked.
That was fantastic
The part about how care givers or parents of autistic children may not feel loved bc of lack of facial expression. Wow. Trying not to cry.
Felicity Rogers big hugs. maybe a little cry might be a help.❤
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@Imran Kasen Definitely, I've been watching on InstaFlixxer for since november myself =)
💜 mind blowing.
Hi I love all this info, but i will like to ask what can i do with panic attacks that are crossing over and becoming seizures?? I have had some trigger by just eating, or my menstrual cycle!
@3:39 he mentions how the nervous system craves being away from low frequency background noises. I am curious what Stephen's perspective would be on the massive popularity of bass music culture wherein being literally engulfed in low frequency noises is a thing of great enjoyment, even, I would propose, bordering on levels of addiction.
+Adventures Through The Mind Interesting thought!
Yes, he addresses that in another video I saw. Basically he says that when we are young, the sensitivity is more strongly towards human speech frequencies, and the ability to hear low frequencies is relatively limited. Hence, the attraction for the bass music culture - which I surmise is not something the majority of older people are comfortable with. However if you have a strong social engagement system - at any age - you are more likely to be able to see the low frequencies - in a highly social environment - as being a stimulant. The key issue is not that a challenge is always bad. When it occurs in a context where you feel safe it can be stimulative and enjoyable. I think he refers to it as Play which is desirable for your ANS.
Amazing 💗🙏🙌🙌🙌
I would like to ask something because it seems to be a contradiction in what I have heard Porges is saying. If we don´t feel safe first we look for social engagement (upper branch of the vagus, parasympatheic); if that doesn´t work we go to our second line of evolutionary defense: fight-flight (sympathetic nervous system); if that fails then the third: freeze (lower branch of vagus, parasympathetic). So according to this, if we feel we are dissociating we can move the body to activate the sympathetic and, therefore, enter a superior line of defense. If I am not wrong Stheven advice that but my doubt is that he also says that, if you are afraid, you can activate te vagus by breathing and so on. Wouldn´t that lead us to dissociation (you are activating the vagus, parasympathetic)? As long as we don´t feel safe, is it not preferable to remain withing the sympathetic state?
As someone who has been studying the PVT for years and still feel I need to comprehend it better, my best response is that the attempt should be to move the body out of states of defence. Shutdown is something your body may involuntarily go into if you are in a situation of extreme danger e.g. in the moments before potential death or of a memory of that effect as in PTSD. However that is a state it is very difficult to get out of. Disassociation is on the path to shutdown and if your body feels like that, but it is not, then you need outside help - like a counsellor - to get out of it.
Wow!
While very interesting, the repeated commercial interruptions were aggreviating.
great words of wisdom about chewing gum and popping your lips. could it be that some folks just don't like peoples.
appreciate your posts and your interviews. keep up the good work my friend..
we never heal alone!
I have a question. Does the heart coherence improve the vagal response? (I am not sure of the right use of the words) - I am practicing with emWave2 by Hearthmath and wondering if this relates? I heard sth about the heart rate variability in this video. Thanks, Jakub
it will actovate parasymathetic and thus will in effect help it i believe
Great interview! Thank you. Where is the link to the talk about the "ancient practises as portals to polyvagal regulation" that is mentioned around 46:30?
+tuxcrafter We keep all the links and transcriptions over at - www.bulletproofexec.com/stephen-porges-the-polyvagal-theory-the-vagal-nerve-264/
thank you for replying, I did look at the description and links, but I cant find the youtube talk that was mentioned, could you maybe link it for me? thank you.
Same here, I looked at the list of links and didn't find anything related to "ancient practices as portals to polyvagal regulation" that was in one of his RUclips talks. This sounds super interesting... would be great to hear about it.
What does one do who has panic disorder and often feels the "I need to get out of this room" feeling but doesn't have anyone to be safe with? I feel safe around very few people outside of work, but I need to make money...therefore listening to my body is out of the question. I've gotten by for the past 15 years by either a) severely limiting my life (this was before I had to work...I barely made it through school most days), and b) taking klonopin as a means of preventing my body's natural overreactive state. I haven't experienced anything I would define as traumatic...in fact, the most traumatic experiences I've ever had were panic attacks themselves. I have fainted in a room full of people before and developed a phobia of that. Any tips?
Watch those benzodiazepines, which can actually make our symptoms worse! I took it for years with worsening symptoms and docs kept telling me that I wasn't taking enough. Oh my. It took years to get off this junk due to withdrawal and more of the worsening symptoms. I am so much better, and will NEVER get back on that stuff. Take care and breathe deep and exhale deeper! Go natural.
Look into your trace mineral levels. A lot can be associated to mineral deficiencies. Unfortunately even healthy foods have become insufficient in what we need (in the US at least). They've ruined our food system. & drink pure waters never tap. Wish you the best of luck. I know that's a difficult life & you deserve more.
I also love sound healing sessions with Crystal singing bowls.. it's truly amazing you have to try it at least once!
How does popping gum impact the trigeminal nerve? Curious
Would anybody know how do you calm down/soothe overactive/irritated Vagus nerve (not how to stimulate it)?
Go into an environment which is devoid or very low or very high frequency noise where you also have a sense of safety
This has implications for our models and understanding of tinnitus as well.
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Stephen Porges kinda looks like the late, great, doctor Roger Leir, that removed alien implants from UFO abductees. You can see him in the documentary Patient 17.. or Web Drifter S01E18 (The Alien Scalpel).. or Unscrewed with Martin Sargent S01E16!
I go to a waldorf school and my teachers DID talk like this 😂 (in German)
36:00 The challenge of cesarean births.
Incredible. It can also be wound in with Freudian logic (if you can tolerate or get beyond the over-obsessive context. Such enlightening knowledge in its “complicated simplicity”! We need to stop pretending we don’t know how, or need, to discern behavior in others and ourselves just by posture and facial cues. I think it’s our preference to play dumb so we can go on manipulating (very badly in most cases) every other living thing we come into contact with. Call me cynical....:/ l also think this has much to do with lBS and other vague (interesting word to come up with here?) gastronomical issues that might annoy the nerve endings there?
Why do I feel like you've given that fun fact of the day before??
+Erik Abild Because you are from... the future!
Chant Hare Krsna!!
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40:00 brain stem structures and depression.
+Michael Godek Have you seen the timestamped transcriptions we create for every podcast? Check this out www.bulletproofexec.com/stephen-porges-the-polyvagal-theory-the-vagal-nerve-264/
+Bulletproof seriously... Wow! Thank you so much. As I listen to them, I will look at the time stamps so there is no redundancies. On the points that I did stamp, or will in the future, I will add my own thoughts and ramblings. Thanks again for the great episode. Having taken A&P, the good doctor makes lots of sense. Is he a psychologist or psychiatrist?
Wow Dave Asprey looks young here. Most of my european and american friends look like they are half foot in the grave when they are in their 30's.
"..actually i am not going to read all that stuff.." ..xD
Evolution is a theory. a theory! a theory!
So why am I hypersensitive to noises, like metal, and people chewing and popcorn in the cinema, but like low voices, mens low voices, although my relationship with my father was threatening'???
A Trauma bond maybe?
Sounds like possible Misophonia.