I'll be 100% serious, my friends group literally told me that they would have tried out overdress format if dear days was somewhere on a decent price level so that we could play together online, but because of how predatory it is, bushiroad has probably killed their only chance to impress them.
Same I tried to get my friends into Vanguard but this scummy price killed my ONLY chance to get them into the game! I guess Bushiroad wants to kill Vanguard
Exactly this!! I recently decided to get into Vanguard (I played it for the first time exactly 10 years ago). So of course I would check out the game on Steam and oh boy, that pricing. Even though I really want to play it, I refuse to pay full price for it. Especially with DLCs priced up to 300$!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck off with that shit. I'm waiting for the Steam Summer Sale and see how it develops.
Even a long time player like me, standard player like myself who played this game years ago From the old g era format, to now It's a mess with the whole game I remember that game has a lot more players like 5 years ago Now since the 3 format system Some see it time time to quit Cause what I see is a three format system will be hard As most events, are usually on a Saturday or Sunday which kind of bad Cause standard format has the most players Premium has less players cause of the high sealing to the format As for v-premium, that meta usually only has super good deck out shine the format At the same time, it's not really a cheap game to play Compare to Yu-Gi-Oh, where reprinting is a thing(most of the time) Super old cards from like 20 years is much more limited now as new rule on reprints is not good for longevity for a card game. I feel so bad for people who want in to cardfight vanguard But can't get into it anymore And seeing the lost in older players is bad
@@gwarguraqueentrickstarcoat9110 why do You type Like this You think this Makes your shit More readable? No It sounds like A terrible poem And lack of Education instead Think about it
I can tell you right now. I have been following vanguard for a long time but was never able to get into the physical game. When they announced dear days I thought I would finally be able to get into it. Then that price tag hit and I refused to buy it on the spot. The exact opposite happened to me with master duel
I love vanguard so much and have been a casual player for almost a decade. The game has always had amazing potential with just falling short every time it tries to bring in new players. Not to say there arent new players at all, but it always feels like there could be more if bushiroad didn’t make weird mistakes each time.
@@HaterZgunnaLuvMe paid online simulator. have you seen how many new players and old players coming back for yugioh because of master duel It could have been a gateway for new players to try and learn vanguard but instead its overpriced in some regions plus the dlc for the new sets is the same base price.
Just started playing casually with friends after like a 7 year break and it's some of the most fun I've had playing a card game. Kind of sad how little stores carry it, the nearest one was a couple hours drive for me.
i get the feeling bushi doesn't really know what to do with the game. i think the original game, minus crossrides plus limit breaks was fine. should've continued down that path. i think overdress moving from clans to nations instead was the right move imo. now what they should do is bring more g3 variety among the nations so that you have fights within the nation and yet have barely any cards in common additional idea i have: -expand grade 2 play. put in some rule that you need to wait a certain amount of turns before you ride into g3. the reason for this is that g2 feels like the lackluster grade. g0 are triggers and very good at defending, g1 has boost and is better at defending than g2, g3s have twin drive and are better offensively. g2 is the middle child no one knows what to do with
I love vanguard but I legit don't see it surviving outside of Japan for that much longer with how little advertising and places even have vanguard products
As a Duel Masters player (not Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel, but Duel Masters) I feel your pain, Sometimes a company just kinda shafts the game, And there's really nothing the community can do to prevent that.
@@switchman368 Duel Masters was released intentionally and failed to survive the 2 year curse, But in Japan it's in the same leagues as Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon TCG when it comes to popularity And recently celebrated its 20th anniversary. People are still playing it internationally, But Wizards of the Coast dropped all support in favour of Magic the Gathering.
As someone starting out in overdress the biggest pain point price-wise is the effect triggers and the upgraded perfect guards. 20 Cards that feel like they make your deck strictly better at 3-5 dollars each, plus you need a set for each nation you play, and then bushiroad decides to reprint them in the upcoming set at 1 (ONE) per box. Feels like a kick in the teeth.
I thought overdress would somehow make things better for the price, but it seems it might be heading in the same direction as the g era. If you didn't know g era at its peak was quite expensive and we might soon see this problem with overdress.
I mean 3 to 5 a price for cards that fit in every nation deck and they seem set on you using for as long as possible is way better and cheaper than the game has ever been
Overdress was the most promising thing to happen to Vanguard, And they straight up squandered it in an attempt to make slightly more money of the hype.
This isnt really a good criticism as when it comes to price Vanguard is still the most budget friendly when it comes to competitive play, yugi and magic can easily go into 1k when you take into account all the staples you have to buy, it got so cheap in fact that people were worried that stores wouls stop supporting itt as it would be massively cheaper to buy individual cards than boxes so there would be no incentives for shops to buy product. Vanguard does have its issues but staples that cost 3-5 bucks is not one of them
I had a locals and was strongly supporting the game and was hosting multiple day events and tournaments. I even asked what the majority wanted in terms of days for vanguard specifically and what to expect when entering tournaments. Sadly no one showed up. Now I’m very familiar with everyone in my area and outside that involves vanguard. All them that helped promote and have voted for days they could attend vanguard days never showed up. Even after I made it all week thing to see what days are good no one showed. Worse part after everything the same people who have claimed that they’re willing to go ask me “ do you know where we can play vanguard?” I give them an address and yet nothing. My experience has been horrible when I supply everything from fair prices, exclusive prizes for tournaments, promos, weekly events, and always have a constant and heavy amount of supply sealed and singles. Still nothing. Although the number of customers I see throughout the year are very consistent and very deep into the meta game. But to have them attend for any god given reason is too much ask for.
Holy hell. That sounds like hell and I can fully understand the feeling. In my opinion I think the company should go all in on making a new Online TCG akin to Master Duel. Free to play with microtransactions. In my experience Master Duel has done it the best and I am constantly overflowing with gems and I mostly play against NPCs and in events. If they can do this, I think they have a damn good shot pulling in many players who may be interested in a new card game or need a break from Master Duel & Shadowverse.
Dear Days had so much potential but they wasted it and now the game currently has 578 playing on steam atm and it's only been a week since the game released, self sabotage is real Sadge.
That's because the international players are mostly on Switch. Honestly releasing it on Steam at all was probably the mistake here. It's just going to fracture a portion of the Western players.
You should see the stats now LOL Legacy of the Duelist Link Evolution regularly has twice if not more players online, and it's a completely dead game. Meanwhile, Dear Days hasn't even been out for a year. A YEAR.
At my locals everybody just plays overdress and nobody wants to even try other formats because of how expensive they are (even though v premium is the cheapest now regardless of vr's) kinda sucks though since product just ends up sitting there forever
Prior to Overdress I would've disagreed hard on the fun factor, But seeing how they handled Overdress just pains me, Because for once they had the chance to just be regular card game And they instead doubled down on being "that cashgrab that hates it's players".
@@BramLastnameimo the cashgrab is only for people who netdeck or meta decks only since there are a lot of good substitutes for each expensive cards but are often overlooked
@@justanotherguywithoutamust5776 While there is most certainly some truth to that, They really didn't even try to salvage their tarnished image. I wouldn't say the game is in a good place by any metric Other than not going bankrupt upon release. The game is mechanically sound enough, But getting cards still tends to be needlessly expensive, Because they fumbled the bag on their reboot. Which was the one chance they had to regain some goodwill.
idk who thought that 70$ in the American market where people will complain about anything even slightly worse than usual was a good idea. If DD was 60$ is would have been an easy "wait for small sale and give it a try" kinda sell to new people at worst, if it was 40-50$ it would have been on par with other card game simulators and might have gotten people in on the story+cg aspect. I just wish the cardshops near me werent hit so hard by covid.
I think this is more of a "Western gamers see every video game where you play a card game as a 'simulator'" and Furyu (and probably Bushi) just see them as "video games where you can play a card game". Online card game simulators rapidly affect the meta and I don't think that's a positive outcome and it doesn't seem like something Bushi wants.
When I first stumbled upon Vanguard I noticed that there were a lot of red flags And while some have been addressed in Overdress, The supply issues have only gotten more problematic Meaning that for me there's no way to get into the game even if I wanted to, Because the stores that supported it no longer buy new Vanguard products, Because they end up collecting dust in the storage.
So, i wanna share my 2 cents with you all. I'm from Venezuela and got into Vanguard around december last year, and immediately fell in love with it. Coming from a yugioh space, vanguard was like a breath of fresh air. So i went and asked my local shop. No supply "Sure" i though, lets try outside then I asked a family member in Spain fot the Overdress trial decks, and got all but Nirvana and Bruce's decks. Out of stock even in Spain. They took 6 months to get here but the wait was worth. This was around July Now today,and i feel everything you are saying. I want for my locals to get into the game, so we can get products but it has been so hard. Even to the point where i offered the little group of interested guys in vanguard to pay on full a tournament for them to play, that is I paying all their spots in a little vanguard local so we can develop the game. I just wished it was a little simpler. Getting cards and products shouldnt be this hard
I’d love to get into this tcg, but my biggest problem is the lack of interest from other people… I play mtg and have played a lot of yugioh in my past and many of my friends are just totally fine with mtg and don’t just want to try out new stuff. The other big main problem is the distribution of products in general. Especially in Germany where I’m from or in Europe in general it’s very complicated to get like trial decks for reasonable prices from official sellers. You HAVE to go to the secondary market to just get started with the game and that’s just sad. I’m a big fan of the anime and I’m feeling like the game could actually do a lot of things right and even better than other tcgs - but sounds like it’s having the same powercreep problems like yugioh for example… (which I gave up playing because of exactly that)
Yeah. The product releases for Europe are terrible. All the product is sold out day of release due to preorders and never restocks, if a place even got stock. So you have to go to the secondary market just to get product because no store carries the game
Can’t agree more, also from Germany btw I started Vanguard last year with the release of overdress and I do like the game, but outside of Discord I don’t have anybody who is playing it or would be interested in it to play. And ofc the biggest issue are the products that are barely available here.
It would also help if there was a simulator too, but they are very stubborn in porting any over and the one they did they priced at a stupid 70 dollars. Personally I was able to get into yugioh fast because there was all sorts of way I can play it online from Roblox to dn, ygopro and so on. But sadly vanguard does not have options like those from the fan base or bushiroad
@@Samurai-no4wu the community could make one that’s similar to ygopro if there’s a database of all cards in the game… That’s not a big deal for people who work on a daily basis on big projects, but the problem is, you have to find a way to start
@@Samurai-no4wu currently I’m building a repository of ALL cards in the game, so somebody (maybe even me) can build a game around this. Maybe the right people will find it and make something out of it.
Damn, I'm an OG. Bought the first ever Blaster blade booster deck back in high school. It was stupid fun until it got to Stride. I get it, times change but to me it changed wayyyyyy to fast. I quit during Luard stride days cause of the power creep and recently got back into it when the Dear days got announced to steam. It felt like it went back to it roots but more modernized. I love it, but hearing it's player base is declining is pretty sad. Hope it still is successful for a few more years or more (fingers crossed).
im the same as you, I'm an og and played up until the Luard power creep G era, where literally a new booster set was getting released every month so you could never keep up and also the power creep of the cards was so stupid broken I just had to quit playing the game, it's my favorite card game ever however the player base declined in the UK, and rightly so because why would you want to keep forking out huge sums of cash, and for THE GAME JUST TO BE REBOOTEDDDD ??????????? in the next 3 MONTHS ?????? LIKE IT WAS SO WIERD TO ME THE CONCEPT AND BUSINESS PLAN OF THIS COMPANY, ITS SO DUMB
Bro Dear Days is the reason I might've gotten into the game in IRL, I adored the concept ever since I saw the original anime, sad to see that the barrier to entry on a game with similar graphics to Master Duel is $70 in my region. It is a real turn off and I would've hoped that they did a similar concept to Master Duels quest to get packs instead of the $70 I felt I would've enjoyed it more but I can't
I was super into Vanguard when it first came out in the US. I didn't even know that Bushiroad still releases product outside of Japan. But it sounds like that's not going to be the case for very much longer, sadly.
This card game desperately needs a online dueling simulator as well. This may seem little but in reality this how people can get into the card games or give a try if they can't find anyone in person to play with. Sadly it just dosen't have the fan base to have a fan made simulator made or a good ran company to have a official out there. Personally when it came to mtg, pokemon or ygo this is how I was able to get into them as I could take my physical deck and try it out online and confirm how the rules work and if I loved the game or not. I just believe without a dueling simulator or some sort it causes mass miscommunication with the player base and allows it to be gate kept to an extent as there is nothing guide you into this game. I've been a card fight vanguard fan since the first anime came out, but I never was actually able to play it until Deardays came out as it it hard to find a fanbase in person. That's nearly 8 years of waiting just to try a game I've been interested in since forever. Sadly I know majority won't play 70 dollars to play it though as the price is completely bonkers and spite to the face, espically after they cancelled the free dueling simulator they were supposed to have for this overpriced game. What's sad is that it's not even bad
If a card game looks like it’s about to die (or undergo a drastic shift) it is MTG (as of writing this comment) (it’s kinda sad to see Magic, after 30 years of holding up, looking like it’s about to crash miserably. For the foreseeable future at least.)
As someone who just got into the game around the same time last year, Vanguard has been both amazing and frustrating for me. It seems like every win for Bushiroad is accompanied by a loss or misstep in some way, and as much as I've come to love the franchise, I also acknowledge its flaws and how they create bad optics for the game as a whole. It's created a weird dynamic for my friends where they'll be like "Vanguard seems fun and all, but _______" - and I completely understand where they're coming from. At the end of the day, anyone who's a fan of Vanguard wants to see it do well. And to a degree, it is. But every step forward is being accompanied by another step back, and it's sad to see and it often can be hard to have faith. What I can say for sure, though, is that Vairina Exspecta is the best waifu.
The backlash on this vid is wild. Some positive notes would have helped but i agree, the state of CFV as a FRANCHISE is in an extremely poor state and to deny is just as bad for the game. Honestly kinda done with the vg community. Its gotten surprisingly toxic and divisive over the years. Its crazy to think the most annoying thing the vg community used to do was spam the "who is your avatar" post. Now its just insufferable arguing that goes in circles while locals shrink and interest dwindles. Dear days launch was such a nail in the coffin. The fact that it has a peak of 1500 players on steam is abyssmal and imo classify it as dead on arrival, but sure people will say the 70 dollar price tag has nothing to do that and berate others for not supporting a predatory product
I stopped at Limit Break lol. The introduction of Aqua Force was what got me into Vanguard but for a kid at the time, money was a big issue. Then came along Link Joker, ah man. That was the first instance of power creep imo cos the Lock mechanic totally annihilated my ability to move Units around, which was basically the only strat AF had at the time 🤣 now my local card shop is a generic coffee stop.
I still want to try old formats with the new rules. I think pre-BT05 and BT13 formats (as in limit break) implementing the ride deck and some erratas to let vanilla Grade 0s draw a card would be incredible. I've worked on mostly theory crafting, but it seems like all the old magic without the old bullshit
Thank you for all you've done with the Vanguard community, I am glad that you are highlighting everything that is currently wrong with the game and choosing to not support it as a result. Honestly Dear Days is the only thing keeping Vanguard relevant in my head, I have no problem with still playing the game as my group has been utilizing Top Deck Heroes to try out new decks and help fix the expensive nature of the game, but it will certainly be more of a time killer rather than something we invest our time and money in. Basically if Dear Days were to stop getting support or if Bushiroad pulls something stupid with the game like adding loot boxes, then I'll take that as a sign that I should move on as well. A shame as G series was one of my favorite moments in any card game, and D had potential for the game to unfuck the wrong doings from V Series, but sometimes you just have to clean your hands and just leave what you love in the past as it would just be a shell of it's former self as a result. I love the Yu-Gi-Oh content you've put out, that ultimate tier list was easily your best work, and I shall continue to watch your content no matter what game you play as your videos are very informative and funny at times too. Just watched a couple episodes of Sevens, and I honestly hope Konami would make Rush Duel a format since Speed Duels hardly gets support, if any at all at this point.
Adding on the rush duels point, I have a hard time caring for Yu-Gi-Oh sevens than I do with the previous series since I know the support is something I'm not going to get my hands on unfortunately
Got back into the game for the v-premium & premium formats, but I was shocked to see that they cut both of these formats out of their WGP event this year. 😢
Honestly the biggest mistake I think vanguard has made was in cardfight zero. I played the ever loving shit out of that game when it dropped, but I think the gacha system in that game might be one of the worst I’ve encountered and it cut my fun so short. Deck building felt impossible if you weren’t willing to dedicate hours of grinding and packs were far too expensive for how little currency they gave you in game.
The first time I ever tried Vanguard I hated it. I hated the drive checks, and I hated when you wouldn't get a grade 1-3 when you needed on to ride during your ride phase, but I tried it again with the release of overdress and it became my favorite card game, there really is nothing else like it. that being said, I cannot stand overtriggers, its really the only thing I dislike in standard. I also think early on it was super affordable, my friend and I built almost every deck from set 1, but set 4 was when everything changed imo. Also I want to say its not bushi that priced dear days so high, i think it was the publisher or developer, not sure, but reagardless yeah its BS pricing (I could be wrong on this part though)
IMO, one of the biggest changes Bushiroad NEEDS to make is cutting the cord with Furyu for development of the CFV Video Games. I saw the $70 Price Tag on Dear Days and IMMEDIATELY drew it up as Furyu challenging us to prove that we truly wanted an English version of the CFV Video Games. You can’t convince me otherwise. The fact that Dear Days was released a day before Pokémon Scarlet/Violet is no mere coincidence (Furyu had to have known this would kill sales). Furyu is ACTIVELY trying to kill interest in CFV in the west.
Unironically this. Like, people would buy it. People TRY TO BUY IT. But there's simply none. And a spanish versión simply doesn't exist and that stuns me. You know how many players you could get into this bushi? It is not that hard.
@@paulolucero9864Yeah. Litterally since Vanguard came out a decade ago thry’ve never printed enough product…which ends up leading to…all of the issues people have been saying the game has since the start. Nowhere sells, nowhere stocks and so no one plays. And Bushiroad just does nothing about it.
As far as I can recall, both the VR reprint policy and the Overtrigger are still up mainly due to the stores/locals in Japan. Banning the OT would basically kill these shops as they still have a lot of value behind them, or so that was before the reprints. Same to VRs but most likely to a lesser extent. The same thing happened with V Series Nemain as, not only she was a staple for most Shadow Paladin decks, but the choice restrict between her and V Luard also almost killed the game (besides it being a tier 0 format). She was literally the face of the V series due to how expensive she was.
Yes. They pissed away Xenonzard, which could have supported multiple play formats, such as draft, sealed, block, and rotation. It could have rivaled Magic in terms of playable formats. Instead they chased whales with naked power creep, and broke the game in less than a year.
@@antondovydaitis2261 Zenonzard was made by Bushiroad? That actually makes way too much sense, given their track record for taking very mechanically interesting games and running them into the ground by sheer bad business sense.
You have a great solid point and I do wish that Bushiroad will actually try to fix it. I genuinely wonder if the investors are in the way but they honestly need to start listening to the player base and change policies The game has potential and honestly I have made some suggestions on there email. Like for Promos how about just making them hot stamp cards of Grade 3s and staple cards and instead of making them necessary cards for some decks. Or have promos be the way they are and then reprint them 3 months or 4 months in a core set as part of it or being a box topper. Another suggestion I made is that if a card is considered a staple just reprint it as a lower rarity in the second or third set after it's release. Or just copy paste that effect into a new card 2 or 3 sets after that cards released. Stop printing Vanilla triggers and print effect triggers instead
Overdress is in a really good spot balance wise right now, it's just hard to get into (like other people have mentioned) because of the staple card prices that decks need. This was especially highlighted with the most recent Lyrical set because merchants didn't buy a lot of the product because the last lyrical set was really really bad outside of a handful of cards. It introduced two new vanguards, one of which is mediocre and the other is trash tier. There are effectively three great cards in the set (excluding the upgraded triggers) Kairi's grade 4, melty which is mostly used in Kairi since she doesn't have a cost for her power so it's free drawing/free friends, and the grade 1 that lets you check top card of deck when it boots a rear guard and put it on top/bottom. Probably the biggest issue with Vanguard right now is the production and timely delivery of their product as well. There were massive distribution problems for set 4 (my local store didn't even get anything for set 4 because of these issues) and the delay between set 5 and six was fairly long. So much so that set 6, lyrical set 3, set 7, and set 8 are all coming out in about a 4 month time frame in the US. A lot of small and medium bad decisions have started to kill them and it's really sad because it's the most fun I've ever had playing a card game.
To be fair, Bushiroad not printing or distributing enough of a set has been an issue since the game started. It’s less it’s started to kill them and more it’s been killing them since the start.
Lyrical is hella extra bad because the sets always introduce new stuff, like a lot aka 6 new ridelines in set 3, but the thing is Bushi has shown that they aren’t supporting much of the old decks except for Kairi, I look at Felty with 1 new card in set 3, so you lose any customer that would want that set for support of their old decks than the new ridelines are mediocre. Stack on top of how lyrical just isn’t successful over here and you’ve got a recipe for sets that will just actively hurt bushi to print here because they introduce to much mediocre stuff and don’t support old stuff enough from them so you lose out on already lyrical players and possible new ones once they see how bad the set is
Overdress was really interesting and more balanced... Until they decided to make the same mistake and bring gears into it, and instead of doing something more original they make it the same Mary Sue deck. Oh yeah then there's that Ebisu deck
I personally discovered Vanguard few months ago, at a local card and tabletop games store. Other games like Magic, Pokémon or Dragon Ball tcg wasn't appealing for me, but Vangard was interesting, even if I knew there won't be that much players in my city, I only know one place that organize matches. I had a bad experience because of the place and repulsive behavior (a player mocked the fact that I brang a playmat, I didn't know well cards' placement) so I did not play Vanguard since this I would like to play more Vanguard with more players, but for now I buy a booster every 5 months and just have fun storing my few cards. I'll be sad if Vanguard falls.
The pricing on DD ensures i will never touch it. How they EVER thought that was a good idea is proof that someone at their company is insane and should be removed.
The two things in the video I can absolutely agree on the most; Vanguard Dear Days should've been A LOT cheaper (with free DLC and MTX via cosmetics such as playmats, instant buy SP of cards, etc) to compete with F2P competitors such as Master Duel, and secondly that the OT needs to be buried as soon as possible. if not in Japan, at least for global, and definitely in premium format
The game right now needs change Cause right now the three format system is still very werid for tournaments events at and cause pandamic was a thing The game has not been the same since 20+ years ago This game mechanics are crazy In tournaments, the OT is super rng thing can win or lose despite you in winning position For winning player, it's overkill For a losing player, it's like a wall to the other players It's very damaging mechanic, especially in premium format where some decks can abuse the Overtrigger even more than standard Can be a turn off for newer players to premium and standard standard format It's to gatekeeping in my opinion
I watched this video and agree wholeheartedly with many of the points given. When the original announcement of D Series/Overtrigger were announced, I was like yeah I'm not going for it. Another thing I felt killed D series was the weird shield value changes. The design of D format makes guarding feel horrible especially with the changes to the Grade 1s and the heal trigger in particular. It never feels good to guard since the aggression that new decks bring cause attack to be guarded by at least two cards if one is a trigger, otherwise get wrecked. Like I did purchase Dear days only because I didn't want to buy the actual cards to play, but it feels like I dodged a horrible bullet.
In my area the only people except 1 who wants to play the game are people who have basically created their own edison format, ignoring everything after G/Z and we all agree to ban the 2 cards that caused the first reboot to begin with that bushiroad refused to ban. I personally love premium but rarely anyone wants to deal with OTs so we just dont use them. But you have a point clearly someone at bushiroad just cant accept failure and is actively trying to kill this game. Decks have double or tripled in price since you posted this vide a year ago, OverDress has become millions of times worse than premium due to the lack of defensive creep that premium has.
I mean, Bushiroad has nothing to blame for this, other than themselves. The rebooted the game twice already, and though i know previous release cards are still legal to play in a certain format, people's prior Ideas of the status co and how set rotation works shouldn't surprise many that regular people assume that old cards just have no competitive value anymore. Not especially when Bushiroad has a history of just flat out Cancelling cardgame IP's as much as they Vomit a new one. They are actually at strike 3 as they already cancelled 3 games already (Luck and Logic, Dragoborn, and the most recent, Buddy Fight). Speaking of which, this Habit of Bushiroad to cancel TCG's just paint the entirety of the company as Lacking Commitment, and that is why Players and Local shop alike just have a general stigma to anything that has the Bushiroad brand on it. The constant fear that cards can suddenly lose their value when Bushiroad decided to prematurely cancel a card game, considering their track record, just makes any of their product that aint Weiß Schwarz a financial risk. Not to mention that Vanguard has no idea how to manage powercrept, leaning to the popular "invisible 1 year expiration date" of Vanguard cards(atleast on my country). Though i'll be honest with you, i do not see this changing any time soon. Even in overdress, players are already complaining that Bushiroad learned nothing. Many players i talk to complain that cards can be powercrept even with just the next expansion, and that unless the card is foil, many cards has no Collection, nor competitive value. Honest to goodness here, the future is grim for vanguard.
THANK YOU!!!! SOMEONE HAS SAID IT! FINALLY! None of the youtubers will dare touch this topic! This poor game is dying. Me and my friends played this game from the beginning to set 4 in overdress and it's gotten way to expensive. We just moved on to digimon. The problems were getting to big and the overtrigger literally killed standard before it could get off the ground. Thank you sir!
Digimon tcg is great game with low stock of products and it's has a low rating reviews on Google from other users to report the totals for the first time, I had to ask someone else to help me for it
They need an official ranking system. There's no reason to go to events. Everyone has their cards due to case breaks and no need to buy new cards unless you dont have a deck.
I JUST PLAYED CARDFIGHT VANGUARD FOR THE FIRST TIME BY PLAYING DEAR DAYS, AND IN THE TUTORIAL YOU LOSE... BUT YOU LOSE CAUSE OF A FCKING CARD THAT GIVES OUT 100 MILLION POWER... IM LIKE WHAT KIND OF BUUUUUUU
so i dont really know much about this game, tho it has caught my eye before because the card art is super good. i think its a shame the game is so expensive :/ master duel was what got me back into yugioh after like a decade and i would definitely be open to trying out the vanguard game if the pricing was less steep
Other issues that is not really and issue but still for some reason self brought by bushi - 14 ridelines for lyrical monsterio, and 1 set per 6 months. Basically crushing all hope for alestiel, willista and felty for being a decent deck. They are still useable, just not good. - no idea why some decks in V prem needed a VR to function after clan collection. Sure as shit no one is paying like 20 dollars a copy for himeko and mordred to make a decent dragruler and himeko “R” deck. But I suppose it’s suppose to be a nice reward for those who already had them
This may go against what most other players feel like but I'm glad Bushiroad is struggling with Vanguard. They ruined the game by rebooting into Overdress and removing the classic clan division. I don't want to play my deck using cards that don't match the theme. Hopefully they learn their lesson eventually.
Very good observations. I have seen some of this myself. However, I would like to add one more major flaw: bad typography. First, the rules text on cards is extremely tiny, and in a sans serif font. We've known for several centuries that tiny cramped text is MUCH easier to read with serif fonts, it's why they were invented. Second, the typographical symbols used in the rules text is way too small, and way to similar to each other. Third, the trigger symbols are too similar, and the text below them too small. Likewise, the various symbols below the grade are also not as readable as they could easily be. The foiling only makes these difficulties worse. Not only are the cards in your deck hard to read, your opponent's cards across the table are frankly impossible. The only practical solution appears to be to memorize every single card, but this is made more difficult as the arts are more similar and less distinct from each other than other games like Magic the Gathering, One Piece, or Digimon. While I am older, I am near sighted, and professionally, I process literally thousands of cards every day for TCG Player. The card names make sorting more difficult than it needs to be. It should be "Character Name, Catch Phase" like Magic the Gathering, instead of "Catch Phrase, Character Name." Players look for Kairi or Feltyrosa, but this is at the end of the card name, not the front. I really want to like Cardfight Vanguard, as I want to play with my friends, but I find these difficulties frustrating.
Thank you for the support! I agree that the cards can be extremely difficult to read. The issue becomes incredibly bad with sps and full art non foil promos. Card sorting/searching for me isn't difficult until you get to units that share names. Try finding the right copy of dragonic overlord you need for a deck. It's more difficult than it should be.
Vanguard maybe my 3rd favorite card game (first and second is YGO and Buddyfight) but man thats sad hearing it kinda dying, I can see the fun in them (also prison are meta for some reason, time to get back I guess) (PS. In Thailand VG are truly the most played TCG here)
See I understand a lot of the issues you have but I feel very fortunate to be a part of a community that's really not the issue I live in North Carolina and weirdly enough we have some of the most vanguard players. I go to a locals with a consistent 20 plus turn out we all open promo packs so there's a healthy amount of promos in circulation in our community and we actually give away cards to newer players to try and help them recently we've gotten 10 plus new players in the community and it's only growing it's sad to hear that overdress is "dying" but honestly I don't feel it
Same case where I am now. Vanguard actually becomes THE TCG everyone playing now. Beating MTG Pokémon and even Yu-Gi-Oh. Even we got Vanguard cards that translated to our local language.
As someone who is a new Vanguard player I hope some how some way this stays alive cause I really enjoy it!, I saw some of my friends opening a blazing dragon reborn box and play it at a friends house and wanted to see what the hype was about and they were kind enough to introduce the anime,teach me how to play, and let me try my first game against one of them(even tho I didn’t know what I was doing at first but luckily my friends were there to guide me), and with this I bought my first deck, got sleeves, and a new playmat so I really hope it stays alive so I can open new sets of packs,collect,and card fight!
I disagree with the doom and gloom presented here. Yes there are problems with vanguard that need to be fixed but I feel like it's core base isnt going abywhere. In my locals I have seen some growth in both standard and V
As someone who primarily enjoyed the pre-reboot era of Vanguard, I'll mention one particular thing that just never clicked with either reboot: meaningful starter choices. Back in the day, picking your starting vanguard was the second or third thing you did during deckbuilding (beaten out only by deciding on your G3/4 of choice and possibly triggers), and it actually meant something. If you saw Cat Knight in Boots, you knew you were facing a Mirage deck. Worldline Dragon? There's a Glendios in your future. Mecha Trainer? Well, it's hard to say for certain, but it's probably not a G-era deck. But what now? You see Tamayura instead of Bart, and you don't know if they're running a Dust Storm deck or not; maybe the endgame still is Eugene, but just with a prettier starter.
the sad thing is Card fight vanguard reboots only happen to draw new players in and then only later to cuck them off with a new play style unable to give support to older mechanics like Legion and Limit Break. its sad that yugioh gives' support to old mechanics but card fight vanguard cant. they can easily go back and upgrade old card mechanics like Legion,Limit Break and strive ,but we know who ever runs card fight vanguard now is only adding new card mechanics only for those new cards mechanics to be ditched 5-6 months later for a new season of the anime. word of advice who runs the cardfight vanguard game go back and make old mechanics relevant again and boost their consistency in the meta phase out law and order cards and just focus on basic card mechanics.
I played Vanguard for a few years starting with the initial English release. Even back then the power creep was like nothing I'd seen in a card game before. Every time a new mechanic was introduced it was completely meta warping. Combine that with the inherent sacky nature of triggers and I'm amazed that competitive Vanguard has lasted as long as it has.
Even if it's small vanguard here in Cali is very big. Sure not at the level of MTG and Yugioh, but similar arguments can be made for all 3 games. MTG is becoming more predatory and stale, Yugioh's meta forces you to play 2 decks risk you getting killed turn 1 and Bushiroad makes it extremely hard for stores to stock. Fixing that should be Bushi's #1 goal.
Old school yugioh was the greatest but new school yugioh is toxic and if you told someone that you got a different opinion or don't follow their way then they can treat you pretty badly
I originally found the game through a card board cut out in my local game shop 7 years ago. Thought it looked interesting and found the original anime. One quick binge of the first series and I enjoyed it. Got through the Reverse and introdcution to legions and left it there. Got a starter deck for Narukami and Aqua Force some time later. I believe I tried to get back into it when they had the red swirly hair protagonist but didnt get very far. I'm pretty much out of the loop, but its sad to hear the game is going under.
Yea this is why I was thinking in jumping on over dress but then I saw how much I would have to invest in one single deck and it turned me off The game is fun do, but on a matter of pricetags I preffer staying in Digimon
Y'know, In italy the game doesnt have those issue but ppl refuse to even try the game (and also no meta-relevant promos) (We have 12 RRR+ per box) Post full view: Vanguard DD's DLC aint obbligatory to buy and also you can't really compare dear days to master duel or magic arena as Games, As a way to get ppl into it: It's still possible to compare them yes, But not as games: Since one is more aimed to be a "fanservice" game, rather than to be used as a simulator. I can agree on some points, But cant be too sure overall since by being italian, I dont have much connection to english communities. The italian community is just, for the most part, Filled with incompetence and ppl who think they're better than they actually are. VG do be in a thight spot and it's sad to see a great game having theese issues, But at the very least they're not too hard to fix, But we need to get them to fix them before it's too late
I think the worst thing about the game is how some decks become unusable If you play yugioh you can still use the same cards from the first show But i entered dear days and could not find pale moon deck was so surprised
Power creep has always been bushiroads problem, Im an og player and quit after the Luard G era Powercreep madness, where a new set was released every month and so decks became outdated so fast, the playerbase in the UK declined because obviously no normal person is going to keep spending huge sums of cash each month, ALSO THE GAME WAS GETTING REBOOTED IN 3 MONTHS ANYWAYS ?????? like i just don't understand this company, it's so dumb LIKE THE GAME HAS BEEN REBOOTED TWICE!?!?!??! THIS IS NOT NORMAL I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S EVEN PROFITABLE OR ENCOURAGING TO NEW PLAYERS
TLDR: I feel the same as a lot of others on here as a new player, the game is fun as hell and has so much potential but Bushiroad can’t get their shit together and the anime was kinda boring, had confusing lgbtq bait and creepy boy/grown man relationship but was really well done and I still watched all of it. I can relate to so many of the comments like “most fun TCG I have ever played” and “I came from yugioh and it’s a breath of fresh air” and I too just recently got into Vanguard when Overdress started. It boggles my mind. I can’t understand how a game that has so much damn potential has almost nonexistent support at any card shop. Most people have to drive 2 hours to get somewhere that supports it. And the $70 price tag for DD….what the actual F were they thinking? Especially releasing it at the same time as a new Pokémon game? Even the anime is a “why would you do that?” Situation if they’re trying to get more people into Vanguard. The new anime is almost like a promotion for awareness to the LGBTQ community which, I have absolutely zero problem with people’s personal life choices (the politics behind it or how it is gone about is another story but I won’t get into that) but why on earth would you choose to cater to such a very specific group if you’re trying to bring awareness and support to the game from general public? Are they assuming that mostly LGBTQ people would be interested in vanguard and aggressively marketing to that group? Because that’s what Overdress seems to be doing. And also the Danji/YuYu relationship is just f’ing weird. Cute if YuYu was like 17 and Danji was 19 or 20 or something like that but a 15 yr old…who lets people dress him like a girl against his will yet his deck is literally about crossdressing and how every guy in the show things he looks better than the actual girls. And that scene at the parfait shop with Danji in the 2nd or 3rd episode….Yeah…if you can’t see how thick they’re laying on the LGBTQ then you’ve gotta be blind. Again, nothing wrong with it but it just seems completely out of place if the point is to bring a bunch of new people in. The main issue is the crossdressing a 15 yr old boy who is solicited by grown men. It’s just weird and unnecessary….and while I watched all of Overdress and Willdress for the sake of having ANY kind of Vanguard content I could get, the story was pretty slow paced and a bit boring. Just like the card game, it has A LOT of potential and was well made, but I found myself nodding off more often than not. The episodes get a little more intriguing mid-end of the anime, last episodes of Willdress were awesome btw, they did an amazing job with the music/hype during those cardfights. It was kinda like MHA hype in a Cardfight.
@@maddragon12345 bro i still play tcg, despite its flaws it is still a good game! Only thing that pisses me off are ftk decks in yugioh. And especially a Dark World deck.
I never watch or know about Vanguard I'm very on the edge of buying this game but the pricing is too much for me, I had played Master Duel, Shadowverse still not get me hooked but when I saw Dear Days visual it's very appeal to me. Definitely getting this game when it's 30-50% sale
So over the past few months my locals has boomed for Vanguard. I’ve also gotten a few friends into it as well, that now play weekly. At least where I am, Vanguard is rivalling the numbers of Pokémon and yugioh. Which is insane. Though this has only been created due to circumstances of TCG player no longer shipping to the country, and players needing to trade or buy of other local players for cards. In saying this, the problems you present are genuine problems the game has. In my little Local bubble I never would have considered this perspective. Though if this video came out 6 months earlier I’d probably agree.
Rant warning. One of the most frustrating parts about the Overtrigger is that, Bushiroad could totally have OT bans be exclusive to English Premium. The arguement of "Bushi probably doesn't want to ban them because they don't want to repeat the Nemain situation that happened back when Luard was Tier 0 in V" only really applies to the JP market. And you have the argument of "not banning the OT because of the Anime" (even though that argument is bad imo because they could totally explain the banlist in the anime) but they only play Standard in the Anime, not Premium. And the "Keep the Starter Decks playable" argument only applies to standard, you'd have to be crazy to think the overDress Starter Decks are "Playable" in Premium. Not to mention the recent Trial Decks have the OT in the expansion pack.
Its a shame really. Id like to get back into Dress but yeah I left after the first Vanguard. Another one I'm forgetting of right now never really went big either. They had shields you had to bust also.
The sad thing with Dear Days is that its like actually a really well made game. It's almost perfect as an entry point- a corny but charming story mode, excellent presentation, and teaches the game very well. If it was even just 40 bucks, it'd probably done gangbusters, especially if bundled on steam as a two-pack, "one for a friend" at 70 bucks. Instead most people just tell you to pirate it, and just play the fan-made sims online lol.
Joined during limit break era. Honestly played it well into v series as well. But the pandemic really hit the game hard. I havent been able to get jnto the game sense. And thought dears days was my ticket back in but to expensive of a game to buy.
As a fan of another card game that failed in the west that being battle spirits its pains me whenever that happens Bandai ruined their localization of Battle Spirits and now Bushiroad is doing the same with Vanguard
Crazy I started playing the game same day this video was posted. I think vanguard is in a much better spot than compared to when this video was posted.
If they were smart, they would hire some people who are great at business and who are fans of the franchise. Then they could do a hard 180 and could probably fix everything in just a few years. The problems Vanguard has accrued are not unsolvable, but it gets harder and harder the more they delay it and act as if business is fine.
Surely at some point they can't no longer get away with their stupid decisions as a company............ Right? The fact that they can still keep getting away after fuckin things up a lot of times is pretty surprising
My issue with vanguard is accesibility. The lack of a free way to play the game in a simulator so you can actually understand it slowly HEAVILLY detriments my interest into the game. I grew up playing Yu-gi-oh! So long card text was never an issue... until I started seing random vanguard cards, IMO it felt I was getting in a rabbit hole full of inflated stats and complex mechanics... which would be fine if there was a clean simulator. Tl,dr: I hope they do a "Master duel" for vanguard, and no, Dear days is not that.
I love vanguard and I don’t really have anyone to play it with irl so I was coming Dear Days when it was announced was gonna be their Master Duel, MTG Arena, Pokémon Online. Konami and Wizards were finally able to make a service online game like Pokémon has been having for the longest and I was hoping in order to really compete with the big 3 they would do the same but no instead they decided to just reskin EX into Dear Days because it’s literally the exact same game expect with the new assets and of course new mechanics put in and then won’t ever be updated after it comes out like EX and also have the gal to ask you for DLC that cost the same amount as the overpriced game in some places it cost even more than that. It’s just stupid of them and honestly egotistical of them too to ask the day before Pokémon SV were about to come out to ask for 69.99 when Pokémon is just 59.99. I want the game to succeed and survive but if Bushi doesn’t pull its head out of its ass it’s going to die. It’s honestly my favorite card game to play and I mainly play and keep up with Yugioh. I been in love with the anime and binged it way before I picked up the game and the only reason I ever actually bought the cards was because I finally found people who played the game and bought the Aichi Sendo Legend deck and it’s still my main deck and I love my Blasters so much. I even pulled the SP and saw it as a sign that it would be my deck forever. They really gotta fix a lot of things, their releases the power creep problem, the overtrigger. I’m not sure why they decided to add Grade 4 instead of just different versions of the G3 units as Grade 3s so we had more options for the ride lines since I would like more options with that plus just more ride lines in general, I hate Bermuda Triangle because it’s clearly just made to sell cards with cute anime girls on them and so they give them so much support and make them busted, I feel the same for their replacement in D series Lyrical, they have all of this support and a lot of ride lines because it’s the waifu cards while other nations only have like 4-5 different lines. I think they also have to try and fix the anime too, I haven’t watched anything of Will+Dress yet so maybe they have changed it but even tho I did enjoy the anime it clearly didn’t want to be a card game anime, shows like that with the back and forth and seeing all of the units is what gets casual people into liking the game itself and connecting with those units, it’s how I fell in love with Blaster Blade. I hope this game doesn’t die but with the direction it’s going , Vanguard is gonna end like the other games Bushi have tried to keep going
I almost got into the game sat in my local game shop for yugioh and watched them play this. I asked the dude if liked it and he said no and he played yugioh with for while. The next week they stopped having Vanguard games there.
I love vanguard... but boy I'm dropping it. After the previous director left so many issues have been surfacing. Your video explained it well looking forward to seeing new content from you. Are you doing OP? Also my state is one of the biggest for vanguard play and one of the biggest vanguard shops just pulled out of it so yeah worried lol.
I thought about doing one piece. I've played it a bit and it seems really good. Unfortunately I have too much of a commitment to another game I've recently started getting into.
At least on my end over in the west, the game pretty much died in my area cause of different mindsets from Japan. It used to be pretty fun to experiment but now even in casuals, if you don't play a "solved" meta deck you don't get taken seriously even after winning a lot. I do wish people where i am were more willing to experiment with stuff that could be better for the deck, but they don't which causes the game to just stagnate. The overtrigger really don't change much for me because I accepted Vanguard at its nature is pretty swingy, and unlike AI in Dear Days trigger hitting is random. The OT didn't go over well for most of my card buddies who place blame for their losses on anything else, so it just made the toxicity already present worse. I'm very hard pressed with finding someone with my mindset to have fun and work on making my deck stronger, sadly. Secondary market's being useful for me at least since only a few cards are considered key pieces, compared to G era where every card in the deck was which made the price totals awful. I do miss the fun times from then though.
Dear days pricing was decided to be like that so it's priced based on each countries own economy and pricings. It was intentional and honestly it's better than making it the same price all across the world.
I'm morbidly curious to just get the Bruce starter deck and over time do a budget upgrade but I feel a bit discouraged because even with digimon, which has a growing playerbase, you have to order a lot of the cards on tcgplayer and there's also have some expensive promos (Okuwamon and MetalGrey Alterous Mode), though not as expensive as CV and they're usually what constitute most of the deck's pricing anyway. You'd end up paying around 200 more or less for a meta relevant deck, depending on the colors Also no one plays V Premium at my LGS and someone even laughed then told me to not play that when I jokingly asked about it
I love Vanguard!, I also want to support Bushiroad, but it's like they do not want any help, 70 dollars for Dear Days, or 10000 argentinian pesos for a digital card game, it's kinda insulting nowadays.
Bushiroad seen the total wreck of artifact and they want their car wreck so they made dear days. Also it's quite ironic that at least in sea where I'm from, it's actually growing. VG weekly in stores is actually the best it's ever been. It's literally killed MTG because of MTG arena in my area. The only vestige MTG has left is just commander and that's about it.
7:23 funny thing is we don't have Vanguard in Brazil they don't translate the cards to Portugese and they don't release the cards oficially in Brazil, so we don't play Vanguard cuz we don't find the cards to buy and if we find is expensive asf
What you mean? Yugioh tcg still quite popular even in my neighborhood. We play regularly at local store. If you mean vanguard is better than yugioh, you are horribly wrong.
@@greenheart5334 Zero is like duel links a mobile simpler format. Master duel is exactly like the real game just with a gotcha system and craft system for cards would love that. Unfortunately I just re-downloaded just to see that they are closing servers
There are too many card games being published. There's an oversaturation of the market.Honestly i don't think Digimon,One Piece or Battle Spirits Saga will survive in the long run , especially now that yugioh retro formats are starting to see more play due to them being cheap and fun at the same time .
i played eng set 1 till mid G but honestly i didn't play a lot of G i kinda checked out after legion its honestly so sad to see where vanguard is now...especially since i remember back in the day my local shop had 40+ ppl locals and the community was so strong...but i started to feel a shift in peoples feelings about the game around late legion/early G era...suddenly that same locals hated driove checks and triggers would rant about bushiroad despite for years going on about how bushiroad was great and saying "bushi is way better than konami" ...im honestly not sure what the turning point was but after some point people just up and checked out of the game.. even now id love to play again but the game is unrecognizable to me now and just seems too intimidating to play again
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I'll be 100% serious, my friends group literally told me that they would have tried out overdress format if dear days was somewhere on a decent price level so that we could play together online, but because of how predatory it is, bushiroad has probably killed their only chance to impress them.
u guys in US? maybe you could try the switching regions thing others did to buy the game at a lower price
Same I tried to get my friends into Vanguard but this scummy price killed my ONLY chance to get them into the game! I guess Bushiroad wants to kill Vanguard
It is a great game just wait for a sale then play it together
Exactly this!! I recently decided to get into Vanguard (I played it for the first time exactly 10 years ago). So of course I would check out the game on Steam and oh boy, that pricing. Even though I really want to play it, I refuse to pay full price for it.
Especially with DLCs priced up to 300$!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck off with that shit. I'm waiting for the Steam Summer Sale and see how it develops.
It’s not bushiroad it was a deliberate ploy to drive US players away by the game company.
Dear Days was supposed to be the go-to entry game for all sort of new players and they still manage to screw that up. Complete DoA
Even a long time player like me, standard player like myself who played this game years ago
From the old g era format, to now
It's a mess with the whole game
I remember that game has a lot more players like 5 years ago
Now since the 3 format system
Some see it time time to quit
Cause what I see is a three format system will be hard
As most events, are usually on a Saturday or Sunday which kind of bad
Cause standard format has the most players
Premium has less players cause of the high sealing to the format
As for v-premium, that meta usually only has super good deck out shine the format
At the same time, it's not really a cheap game to play
Compare to Yu-Gi-Oh, where reprinting is a thing(most of the time)
Super old cards from like 20 years is much more limited now as new rule on reprints is not good for longevity for a card game.
I feel so bad for people who want in to cardfight vanguard
But can't get into it anymore
And seeing the lost in older players is bad
Im yugioh player and Tbh Im intrested with numbers of Dear Days video recently on youtube.
Until i see the price lol.
Man, I'm saving for other games
its worse than a 2008 browser game
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I can tell you right now. I have been following vanguard for a long time but was never able to get into the physical game. When they announced dear days I thought I would finally be able to get into it. Then that price tag hit and I refused to buy it on the spot. The exact opposite happened to me with master duel
I love vanguard so much and have been a casual player for almost a decade. The game has always had amazing potential with just falling short every time it tries to bring in new players. Not to say there arent new players at all, but it always feels like there could be more if bushiroad didn’t make weird mistakes each time.
Interested in hearing examples
Yeah I love the game but every new mechanic feels like a reboot or a weird rebranding it's kinda a turn off
@@HaterZgunnaLuvMe paid online simulator. have you seen how many new players and old players coming back for yugioh because of master duel
It could have been a gateway for new players to try and learn vanguard but instead its overpriced in some regions plus the dlc for the new sets is the same base price.
Just started playing casually with friends after like a 7 year break and it's some of the most fun I've had playing a card game. Kind of sad how little stores carry it, the nearest one was a couple hours drive for me.
Which format?
@@tsukatsukimiya8135 standard
Three hours for events on weekdays 😞
G brought a lot of problems but the constant reboots are just insane
Well if there are people who are stupid enough to keep buying their products they will kepp doin that knowing that they will get away pullin that shit
i get the feeling bushi doesn't really know what to do with the game. i think the original game, minus crossrides plus limit breaks was fine. should've continued down that path. i think overdress moving from clans to nations instead was the right move imo. now what they should do is bring more g3 variety among the nations so that you have fights within the nation and yet have barely any cards in common
additional idea i have:
-expand grade 2 play. put in some rule that you need to wait a certain amount of turns before you ride into g3. the reason for this is that g2 feels like the lackluster grade. g0 are triggers and very good at defending, g1 has boost and is better at defending than g2, g3s have twin drive and are better offensively. g2 is the middle child no one knows what to do with
I love vanguard but I legit don't see it surviving outside of Japan for that much longer with how little advertising and places even have vanguard products
As a Duel Masters player (not Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel, but Duel Masters)
I feel your pain,
Sometimes a company just kinda shafts the game,
And there's really nothing the community can do to prevent that.
Ouu, are duel master getting shafted too?
@@switchman368 Duel Masters was released intentionally and failed to survive the 2 year curse,
But in Japan it's in the same leagues as Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon TCG when it comes to popularity
And recently celebrated its 20th anniversary.
People are still playing it internationally,
But Wizards of the Coast dropped all support in favour of Magic the Gathering.
@@switchman368 in fact they didn't even complete the trial run,
Because of how little faith they had in the game.
As someone starting out in overdress the biggest pain point price-wise is the effect triggers and the upgraded perfect guards. 20 Cards that feel like they make your deck strictly better at 3-5 dollars each, plus you need a set for each nation you play, and then bushiroad decides to reprint them in the upcoming set at 1 (ONE) per box. Feels like a kick in the teeth.
I thought overdress would somehow make things better for the price, but it seems it might be heading in the same direction as the g era. If you didn't know g era at its peak was quite expensive and we might soon see this problem with overdress.
I mean 3 to 5 a price for cards that fit in every nation deck and they seem set on you using for as long as possible is way better and cheaper than the game has ever been
@@mrbubbles6468 it great for staples, but it tend to come off as limiting for deck building, making them dif/unique imo
Overdress was the most promising thing to happen to Vanguard,
And they straight up squandered it in an attempt to make slightly more money of the hype.
This isnt really a good criticism as when it comes to price Vanguard is still the most budget friendly when it comes to competitive play, yugi and magic can easily go into 1k when you take into account all the staples you have to buy, it got so cheap in fact that people were worried that stores wouls stop supporting itt as it would be massively cheaper to buy individual cards than boxes so there would be no incentives for shops to buy product. Vanguard does have its issues but staples that cost 3-5 bucks is not one of them
I had a locals and was strongly supporting the game and was hosting multiple day events and tournaments. I even asked what the majority wanted in terms of days for vanguard specifically and what to expect when entering tournaments. Sadly no one showed up. Now I’m very familiar with everyone in my area and outside that involves vanguard. All them that helped promote and have voted for days they could attend vanguard days never showed up. Even after I made it all week thing to see what days are good no one showed. Worse part after everything the same people who have claimed that they’re willing to go ask me “ do you know where we can play vanguard?” I give them an address and yet nothing. My experience has been horrible when I supply everything from fair prices, exclusive prizes for tournaments, promos, weekly events, and always have a constant and heavy amount of supply sealed and singles. Still nothing. Although the number of customers I see throughout the year are very consistent and very deep into the meta game. But to have them attend for any god given reason is too much ask for.
Holy hell. That sounds like hell and I can fully understand the feeling. In my opinion I think the company should go all in on making a new Online TCG akin to Master Duel. Free to play with microtransactions.
In my experience Master Duel has done it the best and I am constantly overflowing with gems and I mostly play against NPCs and in events. If they can do this, I think they have a damn good shot pulling in many players who may be interested in a new card game or need a break from Master Duel & Shadowverse.
I know this is a year old but it makes me extremely sad to hear this, like I would kill to have anything like this in my town. So unlucky...
Dear Days had so much potential but they wasted it and now the game currently has 578 playing on steam atm and it's only been a week since the game released, self sabotage is real Sadge.
That's because the international players are mostly on Switch. Honestly releasing it on Steam at all was probably the mistake here. It's just going to fracture a portion of the Western players.
You should see the stats now LOL Legacy of the Duelist Link Evolution regularly has twice if not more players online, and it's a completely dead game.
Meanwhile, Dear Days hasn't even been out for a year. A YEAR.
$200-400 for a deck is ridiculous pricing when a game like digimon can get you most decks for $100-$150 or less
And to think. I made Bastion for around $60 back in set 1
At my locals everybody just plays overdress and nobody wants to even try other formats because of how expensive they are (even though v premium is the cheapest now regardless of vr's) kinda sucks though since product just ends up sitting there forever
This game is so fun, its unlike any other TCG, and I played so many of them. I want to see it thrive!
You'd have to go back in time and work hard to be a supervisor in the vanguard department of Bushiroad then.
Prior to Overdress I would've disagreed hard on the fun factor,
But seeing how they handled Overdress just pains me,
Because for once they had the chance to just be regular card game
And they instead doubled down on being "that cashgrab that hates it's players".
@@BramLastnameimo the cashgrab is only for people who netdeck or meta decks only since there are a lot of good substitutes for each expensive cards but are often overlooked
@@justanotherguywithoutamust5776 While there is most certainly some truth to that,
They really didn't even try to salvage their tarnished image.
I wouldn't say the game is in a good place by any metric
Other than not going bankrupt upon release.
The game is mechanically sound enough,
But getting cards still tends to be needlessly expensive,
Because they fumbled the bag on their reboot.
Which was the one chance they had to regain some goodwill.
Man I do hope they fix this, I passionately love this game and it is pretty big where I'm from. Most fun I had in a tcg tbh
idk who thought that 70$ in the American market where people will complain about anything even slightly worse than usual was a good idea. If DD was 60$ is would have been an easy "wait for small sale and give it a try" kinda sell to new people at worst, if it was 40-50$ it would have been on par with other card game simulators and might have gotten people in on the story+cg aspect. I just wish the cardshops near me werent hit so hard by covid.
Blane furyu
I think this is more of a "Western gamers see every video game where you play a card game as a 'simulator'" and Furyu (and probably Bushi) just see them as "video games where you can play a card game". Online card game simulators rapidly affect the meta and I don't think that's a positive outcome and it doesn't seem like something Bushi wants.
Ngl, I thought my player was at 1.5x speed but I like you point out the issues at a quick pace.
You could say he explains the issues without the bullshit.
I'll see myself out now.
@@RvBnerd618 no, you get back in here.
When I first stumbled upon Vanguard I noticed that there were a lot of red flags
And while some have been addressed in Overdress,
The supply issues have only gotten more problematic
Meaning that for me there's no way to get into the game even if I wanted to,
Because the stores that supported it no longer buy new Vanguard products,
Because they end up collecting dust in the storage.
So, i wanna share my 2 cents with you all.
I'm from Venezuela and got into Vanguard around december last year, and immediately fell in love with it.
Coming from a yugioh space, vanguard was like a breath of fresh air.
So i went and asked my local shop. No supply
"Sure" i though, lets try outside then
I asked a family member in Spain fot the Overdress trial decks, and got all but Nirvana and Bruce's decks. Out of stock even in Spain.
They took 6 months to get here but the wait was worth. This was around July
Now today,and i feel everything you are saying. I want for my locals to get into the game, so we can get products but it has been so hard. Even to the point where i offered the little group of interested guys in vanguard to pay on full a tournament for them to play, that is I paying all their spots in a little vanguard local so we can develop the game.
I just wished it was a little simpler. Getting cards and products shouldnt be this hard
I’d love to get into this tcg, but my biggest problem is the lack of interest from other people… I play mtg and have played a lot of yugioh in my past and many of my friends are just totally fine with mtg and don’t just want to try out new stuff.
The other big main problem is the distribution of products in general. Especially in Germany where I’m from or in Europe in general it’s very complicated to get like trial decks for reasonable prices from official sellers. You HAVE to go to the secondary market to just get started with the game and that’s just sad. I’m a big fan of the anime and I’m feeling like the game could actually do a lot of things right and even better than other tcgs - but sounds like it’s having the same powercreep problems like yugioh for example… (which I gave up playing because of exactly that)
Yeah. The product releases for Europe are terrible. All the product is sold out day of release due to preorders and never restocks, if a place even got stock. So you have to go to the secondary market just to get product because no store carries the game
Can’t agree more, also from Germany btw
I started Vanguard last year with the release of overdress and I do like the game, but outside of Discord I don’t have anybody who is playing it or would be interested in it to play.
And ofc the biggest issue are the products that are barely available here.
It would also help if there was a simulator too, but they are very stubborn in porting any over and the one they did they priced at a stupid 70 dollars. Personally I was able to get into yugioh fast because there was all sorts of way I can play it online from Roblox to dn, ygopro and so on. But sadly vanguard does not have options like those from the fan base or bushiroad
@@Samurai-no4wu the community could make one that’s similar to ygopro if there’s a database of all cards in the game… That’s not a big deal for people who work on a daily basis on big projects, but the problem is, you have to find a way to start
@@Samurai-no4wu currently I’m building a repository of ALL cards in the game, so somebody (maybe even me) can build a game around this. Maybe the right people will find it and make something out of it.
Damn, I'm an OG. Bought the first ever Blaster blade booster deck back in high school. It was stupid fun until it got to Stride. I get it, times change but to me it changed wayyyyyy to fast. I quit during Luard stride days cause of the power creep and recently got back into it when the Dear days got announced to steam. It felt like it went back to it roots but more modernized. I love it, but hearing it's player base is declining is pretty sad. Hope it still is successful for a few more years or more (fingers crossed).
im the same as you, I'm an og and played up until the Luard power creep G era, where literally a new booster set was getting released every month so you could never keep up and also the power creep of the cards was so stupid broken I just had to quit playing the game, it's my favorite card game ever however the player base declined in the UK, and rightly so because why would you want to keep forking out huge sums of cash, and for THE GAME JUST TO BE REBOOTEDDDD ??????????? in the next 3 MONTHS ?????? LIKE IT WAS SO WIERD TO ME THE CONCEPT AND BUSINESS PLAN OF THIS COMPANY, ITS SO DUMB
Bro Dear Days is the reason I might've gotten into the game in IRL, I adored the concept ever since I saw the original anime, sad to see that the barrier to entry on a game with similar graphics to Master Duel is $70 in my region. It is a real turn off and I would've hoped that they did a similar concept to Master Duels quest to get packs instead of the $70 I felt I would've enjoyed it more but I can't
I was super into Vanguard when it first came out in the US. I didn't even know that Bushiroad still releases product outside of Japan. But it sounds like that's not going to be the case for very much longer, sadly.
This card game desperately needs a online dueling simulator as well. This may seem little but in reality this how people can get into the card games or give a try if they can't find anyone in person to play with. Sadly it just dosen't have the fan base to have a fan made simulator made or a good ran company to have a official out there. Personally when it came to mtg, pokemon or ygo this is how I was able to get into them as I could take my physical deck and try it out online and confirm how the rules work and if I loved the game or not. I just believe without a dueling simulator or some sort it causes mass miscommunication with the player base and allows it to be gate kept to an extent as there is nothing guide you into this game.
I've been a card fight vanguard fan since the first anime came out, but I never was actually able to play it until Deardays came out as it it hard to find a fanbase in person. That's nearly 8 years of waiting just to try a game I've been interested in since forever. Sadly I know majority won't play 70 dollars to play it though as the price is completely bonkers and spite to the face, espically after they cancelled the free dueling simulator they were supposed to have for this overpriced game. What's sad is that it's not even bad
If a card game looks like it’s about to die (or undergo a drastic shift) it is MTG (as of writing this comment) (it’s kinda sad to see Magic, after 30 years of holding up, looking like it’s about to crash miserably. For the foreseeable future at least.)
what is MTG?
@@YhelloWish Magic The Gathering…
That's not going to happen lol
@@Head0.25s Thanks...
@@TheKaijudist uh it actually might at this rate.
Hasbro is that stupid
As someone who just got into the game around the same time last year, Vanguard has been both amazing and frustrating for me. It seems like every win for Bushiroad is accompanied by a loss or misstep in some way, and as much as I've come to love the franchise, I also acknowledge its flaws and how they create bad optics for the game as a whole. It's created a weird dynamic for my friends where they'll be like "Vanguard seems fun and all, but _______" - and I completely understand where they're coming from. At the end of the day, anyone who's a fan of Vanguard wants to see it do well. And to a degree, it is. But every step forward is being accompanied by another step back, and it's sad to see and it often can be hard to have faith. What I can say for sure, though, is that Vairina Exspecta is the best waifu.
The backlash on this vid is wild. Some positive notes would have helped but i agree, the state of CFV as a FRANCHISE is in an extremely poor state and to deny is just as bad for the game. Honestly kinda done with the vg community. Its gotten surprisingly toxic and divisive over the years. Its crazy to think the most annoying thing the vg community used to do was spam the "who is your avatar" post. Now its just insufferable arguing that goes in circles while locals shrink and interest dwindles. Dear days launch was such a nail in the coffin. The fact that it has a peak of 1500 players on steam is abyssmal and imo classify it as dead on arrival, but sure people will say the 70 dollar price tag has nothing to do that and berate others for not supporting a predatory product
I stopped at Limit Break lol. The introduction of Aqua Force was what got me into Vanguard but for a kid at the time, money was a big issue. Then came along Link Joker, ah man. That was the first instance of power creep imo cos the Lock mechanic totally annihilated my ability to move Units around, which was basically the only strat AF had at the time 🤣 now my local card shop is a generic coffee stop.
oof
I still want to try old formats with the new rules. I think pre-BT05 and BT13 formats (as in limit break) implementing the ride deck and some erratas to let vanilla Grade 0s draw a card would be incredible. I've worked on mostly theory crafting, but it seems like all the old magic without the old bullshit
I've been wanting to get into vanguard for ages, but accessibility is an issue.
Thank you for all you've done with the Vanguard community, I am glad that you are highlighting everything that is currently wrong with the game and choosing to not support it as a result. Honestly Dear Days is the only thing keeping Vanguard relevant in my head, I have no problem with still playing the game as my group has been utilizing Top Deck Heroes to try out new decks and help fix the expensive nature of the game, but it will certainly be more of a time killer rather than something we invest our time and money in.
Basically if Dear Days were to stop getting support or if Bushiroad pulls something stupid with the game like adding loot boxes, then I'll take that as a sign that I should move on as well. A shame as G series was one of my favorite moments in any card game, and D had potential for the game to unfuck the wrong doings from V Series, but sometimes you just have to clean your hands and just leave what you love in the past as it would just be a shell of it's former self as a result.
I love the Yu-Gi-Oh content you've put out, that ultimate tier list was easily your best work, and I shall continue to watch your content no matter what game you play as your videos are very informative and funny at times too. Just watched a couple episodes of Sevens, and I honestly hope Konami would make Rush Duel a format since Speed Duels hardly gets support, if any at all at this point.
Adding on the rush duels point, I have a hard time caring for Yu-Gi-Oh sevens than I do with the previous series since I know the support is something I'm not going to get my hands on unfortunately
Got back into the game for the v-premium & premium formats, but I was shocked to see that they cut both of these formats out of their WGP event this year. 😢
Honestly the biggest mistake I think vanguard has made was in cardfight zero. I played the ever loving shit out of that game when it dropped, but I think the gacha system in that game might be one of the worst I’ve encountered and it cut my fun so short. Deck building felt impossible if you weren’t willing to dedicate hours of grinding and packs were far too expensive for how little currency they gave you in game.
The first time I ever tried Vanguard I hated it. I hated the drive checks, and I hated when you wouldn't get a grade 1-3 when you needed on to ride during your ride phase, but I tried it again with the release of overdress and it became my favorite card game, there really is nothing else like it. that being said, I cannot stand overtriggers, its really the only thing I dislike in standard. I also think early on it was super affordable, my friend and I built almost every deck from set 1, but set 4 was when everything changed imo. Also I want to say its not bushi that priced dear days so high, i think it was the publisher or developer, not sure, but reagardless yeah its BS pricing (I could be wrong on this part though)
Even if bushiroad didn't develop the game its still thier ip and property so they should have managed it better.
@@MonkeyFightTCG bushiroad should seen what happens to artifact and see they also want to make that car wreck too.
Simply stupid
IMO, one of the biggest changes Bushiroad NEEDS to make is cutting the cord with Furyu for development of the CFV Video Games. I saw the $70 Price Tag on Dear Days and IMMEDIATELY drew it up as Furyu challenging us to prove that we truly wanted an English version of the CFV Video Games. You can’t convince me otherwise. The fact that Dear Days was released a day before Pokémon Scarlet/Violet is no mere coincidence (Furyu had to have known this would kill sales). Furyu is ACTIVELY trying to kill interest in CFV in the west.
Honestly Bushiroad could fix most of the issues with the game if it just distributed snd sold more product.
Unironically this. Like, people would buy it. People TRY TO BUY IT. But there's simply none.
And a spanish versión simply doesn't exist and that stuns me. You know how many players you could get into this bushi? It is not that hard.
@@paulolucero9864Yeah. Litterally since Vanguard came out a decade ago thry’ve never printed enough product…which ends up leading to…all of the issues people have been saying the game has since the start.
Nowhere sells, nowhere stocks and so no one plays. And Bushiroad just does nothing about it.
As far as I can recall, both the VR reprint policy and the Overtrigger are still up mainly due to the stores/locals in Japan. Banning the OT would basically kill these shops as they still have a lot of value behind them, or so that was before the reprints. Same to VRs but most likely to a lesser extent.
The same thing happened with V Series Nemain as, not only she was a staple for most Shadow Paladin decks, but the choice restrict between her and V Luard also almost killed the game (besides it being a tier 0 format). She was literally the face of the V series due to how expensive she was.
I can't believe Vanguard still exists. I've never, *never* seen a company make as many bad decisions as Bushiroad. It's as bad as it gets.
Yes. They pissed away Xenonzard, which could have supported multiple play formats, such as draft, sealed, block, and rotation. It could have rivaled Magic in terms of playable formats.
Instead they chased whales with naked power creep, and broke the game in less than a year.
I miss zenozard. That game was so good twoards the end. Too bad what happened
@@antondovydaitis2261 Zenonzard was made by Bushiroad? That actually makes way too much sense, given their track record for taking very mechanically interesting games and running them into the ground by sheer bad business sense.
Zenonzard is a Bandai game
You have a great solid point and I do wish that Bushiroad will actually try to fix it. I genuinely wonder if the investors are in the way but they honestly need to start listening to the player base and change policies
The game has potential and honestly I have made some suggestions on there email.
Like for Promos how about just making them hot stamp cards of Grade 3s and staple cards and instead of making them necessary cards for some decks.
Or have promos be the way they are and then reprint them 3 months or 4 months in a core set as part of it or being a box topper.
Another suggestion I made is that if a card is considered a staple just reprint it as a lower rarity in the second or third set after it's release. Or just copy paste that effect into a new card 2 or 3 sets after that cards released.
Stop printing Vanilla triggers and print effect triggers instead
Overdress is in a really good spot balance wise right now, it's just hard to get into (like other people have mentioned) because of the staple card prices that decks need. This was especially highlighted with the most recent Lyrical set because merchants didn't buy a lot of the product because the last lyrical set was really really bad outside of a handful of cards. It introduced two new vanguards, one of which is mediocre and the other is trash tier. There are effectively three great cards in the set (excluding the upgraded triggers) Kairi's grade 4, melty which is mostly used in Kairi since she doesn't have a cost for her power so it's free drawing/free friends, and the grade 1 that lets you check top card of deck when it boots a rear guard and put it on top/bottom. Probably the biggest issue with Vanguard right now is the production and timely delivery of their product as well. There were massive distribution problems for set 4 (my local store didn't even get anything for set 4 because of these issues) and the delay between set 5 and six was fairly long. So much so that set 6, lyrical set 3, set 7, and set 8 are all coming out in about a 4 month time frame in the US. A lot of small and medium bad decisions have started to kill them and it's really sad because it's the most fun I've ever had playing a card game.
To be fair, Bushiroad not printing or distributing enough of a set has been an issue since the game started. It’s less it’s started to kill them and more it’s been killing them since the start.
Lyrical is hella extra bad because the sets always introduce new stuff, like a lot aka 6 new ridelines in set 3, but the thing is Bushi has shown that they aren’t supporting much of the old decks except for Kairi, I look at Felty with 1 new card in set 3, so you lose any customer that would want that set for support of their old decks than the new ridelines are mediocre. Stack on top of how lyrical just isn’t successful over here and you’ve got a recipe for sets that will just actively hurt bushi to print here because they introduce to much mediocre stuff and don’t support old stuff enough from them so you lose out on already lyrical players and possible new ones once they see how bad the set is
So balance that a "slightly better" card can cost u an arm and leg, at that point u might as well invest in MTG or Yugioh
Overdress was really interesting and more balanced... Until they decided to make the same mistake and bring gears into it, and instead of doing something more original they make it the same Mary Sue deck. Oh yeah then there's that Ebisu deck
@@UnknownUser-no9ki … overdress was hurt by grade 4’s not gears
I personally discovered Vanguard few months ago, at a local card and tabletop games store. Other games like Magic, Pokémon or Dragon Ball tcg wasn't appealing for me, but Vangard was interesting, even if I knew there won't be that much players in my city, I only know one place that organize matches.
I had a bad experience because of the place and repulsive behavior (a player mocked the fact that I brang a playmat, I didn't know well cards' placement) so I did not play Vanguard since this
I would like to play more Vanguard with more players, but for now I buy a booster every 5 months and just have fun storing my few cards. I'll be sad if Vanguard falls.
The guys that mock you is an actual stupid.
This is how you grow your community, literally everyone in that room used to be like you.
Lol what was that guy doing? Sorry you were mocked over something so silly
The pricing on DD ensures i will never touch it. How they EVER thought that was a good idea is proof that someone at their company is insane and should be removed.
It seems to be a problem with the developers, all Thier games havr similar pricing
@@yoko_bby Real shame. Best card game priceing ive ever seen was when duelyst did 20 buck expansions. Really hopeing Duelyst 2 delivers.
@@Zambles I hope they see low sales and do a price drop, I could tollerate the high dlc costs if the base game was half the cost
@@yoko_bby I dont think that kind of dlc model will ever be good in this space so its just dead for me. I wish you luck
@@Zambles it's not good regardless but there is value in a non live service games, this just isn't the way
The two things in the video I can absolutely agree on the most; Vanguard Dear Days should've been A LOT cheaper (with free DLC and MTX via cosmetics such as playmats, instant buy SP of cards, etc) to compete with F2P competitors such as Master Duel, and secondly that the OT needs to be buried as soon as possible. if not in Japan, at least for global, and definitely in premium format
As someone who has been playing for 100 years… what’s going on now is certainly a bruh moment.
The game right now needs change
Cause right now the three format system is still very werid for tournaments events at and cause pandamic was a thing
The game has not been the same since 20+ years ago
This game mechanics are crazy
In tournaments, the OT is super rng thing can win or lose despite you in winning position
For winning player, it's overkill
For a losing player, it's like a wall to the other players
It's very damaging mechanic, especially in premium format where some decks can abuse the Overtrigger even more than standard
Can be a turn off for newer players to premium and standard standard format
It's to gatekeeping in my opinion
I watched this video and agree wholeheartedly with many of the points given. When the original announcement of D Series/Overtrigger were announced, I was like yeah I'm not going for it. Another thing I felt killed D series was the weird shield value changes. The design of D format makes guarding feel horrible especially with the changes to the Grade 1s and the heal trigger in particular. It never feels good to guard since the aggression that new decks bring cause attack to be guarded by at least two cards if one is a trigger, otherwise get wrecked. Like I did purchase Dear days only because I didn't want to buy the actual cards to play, but it feels like I dodged a horrible bullet.
In my area the only people except 1 who wants to play the game are people who have basically created their own edison format, ignoring everything after G/Z and we all agree to ban the 2 cards that caused the first reboot to begin with that bushiroad refused to ban.
I personally love premium but rarely anyone wants to deal with OTs so we just dont use them.
But you have a point clearly someone at bushiroad just cant accept failure and is actively trying to kill this game.
Decks have double or tripled in price since you posted this vide a year ago, OverDress has become millions of times worse than premium due to the lack of defensive creep that premium has.
they're trying their darnest to kill Vanguard with deardays release
I mean, Bushiroad has nothing to blame for this, other than themselves. The rebooted the game twice already, and though i know previous release cards are still legal to play in a certain format, people's prior Ideas of the status co and how set rotation works shouldn't surprise many that regular people assume that old cards just have no competitive value anymore. Not especially when Bushiroad has a history of just flat out Cancelling cardgame IP's as much as they Vomit a new one. They are actually at strike 3 as they already cancelled 3 games already (Luck and Logic, Dragoborn, and the most recent, Buddy Fight). Speaking of which, this Habit of Bushiroad to cancel TCG's just paint the entirety of the company as Lacking Commitment, and that is why Players and Local shop alike just have a general stigma to anything that has the Bushiroad brand on it. The constant fear that cards can suddenly lose their value when Bushiroad decided to prematurely cancel a card game, considering their track record, just makes any of their product that aint Weiß Schwarz a financial risk. Not to mention that Vanguard has no idea how to manage powercrept, leaning to the popular "invisible 1 year expiration date" of Vanguard cards(atleast on my country). Though i'll be honest with you, i do not see this changing any time soon. Even in overdress, players are already complaining that Bushiroad learned nothing. Many players i talk to complain that cards can be powercrept even with just the next expansion, and that unless the card is foil, many cards has no Collection, nor competitive value. Honest to goodness here, the future is grim for vanguard.
THANK YOU!!!! SOMEONE HAS SAID IT! FINALLY! None of the youtubers will dare touch this topic! This poor game is dying. Me and my friends played this game from the beginning to set 4 in overdress and it's gotten way to expensive. We just moved on to digimon. The problems were getting to big and the overtrigger literally killed standard before it could get off the ground. Thank you sir!
Digimon tcg is great game with low stock of products and it's has a low rating reviews on Google from other users to report the totals for the first time, I had to ask someone else to help me for it
They need an official ranking system. There's no reason to go to events. Everyone has their cards due to case breaks and no need to buy new cards unless you dont have a deck.
digimon does promo cards the best imo. theyre either cool alternate art of a stamped card. thats it.
I JUST PLAYED CARDFIGHT VANGUARD FOR THE FIRST TIME BY PLAYING DEAR DAYS, AND IN THE TUTORIAL YOU LOSE... BUT YOU LOSE CAUSE OF A FCKING CARD THAT GIVES OUT 100 MILLION POWER... IM LIKE WHAT KIND OF BUUUUUUU
Cardfight rnguard, love it or hate it.
so i dont really know much about this game, tho it has caught my eye before because the card art is super good. i think its a shame the game is so expensive :/ master duel was what got me back into yugioh after like a decade and i would definitely be open to trying out the vanguard game if the pricing was less steep
It's not that much if your deck doesn't need a promo, gravidia (a tier one meta deck) is less than 100 dollars
makes 0 sense, Yugioh is way more expensive than Vanguard
@@optic9065 exactly, you onlu pay once.!
Other issues that is not really and issue but still for some reason self brought by bushi
- 14 ridelines for lyrical monsterio, and 1 set per 6 months. Basically crushing all hope for alestiel, willista and felty for being a decent deck. They are still useable, just not good.
- no idea why some decks in V prem needed a VR to function after clan collection. Sure as shit no one is paying like 20 dollars a copy for himeko and mordred to make a decent dragruler and himeko “R” deck. But I suppose it’s suppose to be a nice reward for those who already had them
This may go against what most other players feel like but I'm glad Bushiroad is struggling with Vanguard.
They ruined the game by rebooting into Overdress and removing the classic clan division. I don't want to play my deck using cards that don't match the theme.
Hopefully they learn their lesson eventually.
Very good observations. I have seen some of this myself.
However, I would like to add one more major flaw: bad typography.
First, the rules text on cards is extremely tiny, and in a sans serif font. We've known for several centuries that tiny cramped text is MUCH easier to read with serif fonts, it's why they were invented.
Second, the typographical symbols used in the rules text is way too small, and way to similar to each other.
Third, the trigger symbols are too similar, and the text below them too small.
Likewise, the various symbols below the grade are also not as readable as they could easily be.
The foiling only makes these difficulties worse.
Not only are the cards in your deck hard to read, your opponent's cards across the table are frankly impossible.
The only practical solution appears to be to memorize every single card, but this is made more difficult as the arts are more similar and less distinct from each other than other games like Magic the Gathering, One Piece, or Digimon.
While I am older, I am near sighted, and professionally, I process literally thousands of cards every day for TCG Player.
The card names make sorting more difficult than it needs to be. It should be "Character Name, Catch Phase" like Magic the Gathering, instead of "Catch Phrase, Character Name." Players look for Kairi or Feltyrosa, but this is at the end of the card name, not the front.
I really want to like Cardfight Vanguard, as I want to play with my friends, but I find these difficulties frustrating.
Thank you for the support!
I agree that the cards can be extremely difficult to read. The issue becomes incredibly bad with sps and full art non foil promos.
Card sorting/searching for me isn't difficult until you get to units that share names. Try finding the right copy of dragonic overlord you need for a deck. It's more difficult than it should be.
the trigger symbols are the kanji for that action
Vanguard maybe my 3rd favorite card game (first and second is YGO and Buddyfight) but man thats sad hearing it kinda dying, I can see the fun in them (also prison are meta for some reason, time to get back I guess)
(PS. In Thailand VG are truly the most played TCG here)
See I understand a lot of the issues you have but I feel very fortunate to be a part of a community that's really not the issue I live in North Carolina and weirdly enough we have some of the most vanguard players. I go to a locals with a consistent 20 plus turn out we all open promo packs so there's a healthy amount of promos in circulation in our community and we actually give away cards to newer players to try and help them recently we've gotten 10 plus new players in the community and it's only growing it's sad to hear that overdress is "dying" but honestly I don't feel it
Same case where I am now.
Vanguard actually becomes THE TCG everyone playing now. Beating MTG Pokémon and even Yu-Gi-Oh. Even we got Vanguard cards that translated to our local language.
As someone who is a new Vanguard player I hope some how some way this stays alive cause I really enjoy it!, I saw some of my friends opening a blazing dragon reborn box and play it at a friends house and wanted to see what the hype was about and they were kind enough to introduce the anime,teach me how to play, and let me try my first game against one of them(even tho I didn’t know what I was doing at first but luckily my friends were there to guide me), and with this I bought my first deck, got sleeves, and a new playmat so I really hope it stays alive so I can open new sets of packs,collect,and card fight!
I disagree with the doom and gloom presented here. Yes there are problems with vanguard that need to be fixed but I feel like it's core base isnt going abywhere. In my locals I have seen some growth in both standard and V
Emphasis on your locals. Don't even get me started on the horrendous tour campaign for when V first came out.
As someone who primarily enjoyed the pre-reboot era of Vanguard, I'll mention one particular thing that just never clicked with either reboot: meaningful starter choices. Back in the day, picking your starting vanguard was the second or third thing you did during deckbuilding (beaten out only by deciding on your G3/4 of choice and possibly triggers), and it actually meant something. If you saw Cat Knight in Boots, you knew you were facing a Mirage deck. Worldline Dragon? There's a Glendios in your future. Mecha Trainer? Well, it's hard to say for certain, but it's probably not a G-era deck. But what now? You see Tamayura instead of Bart, and you don't know if they're running a Dust Storm deck or not; maybe the endgame still is Eugene, but just with a prettier starter.
the sad thing is Card fight vanguard reboots only happen to draw new players in and then only later to cuck them off with a new play style unable to give support to older mechanics like Legion and Limit Break. its sad that yugioh gives' support to old mechanics but card fight vanguard cant. they can easily go back and upgrade old card mechanics like Legion,Limit Break and strive ,but we know who ever runs card fight vanguard now is only adding new card mechanics only for those new cards mechanics to be ditched 5-6 months later for a new season of the anime. word of advice who runs the cardfight vanguard game go back and make old mechanics relevant again and boost their consistency in the meta phase out law and order cards and just focus on basic card mechanics.
Wether you agree or disagree, I am sure that set 7 youthberk will fix it...
I played Vanguard for a few years starting with the initial English release. Even back then the power creep was like nothing I'd seen in a card game before. Every time a new mechanic was introduced it was completely meta warping. Combine that with the inherent sacky nature of triggers and I'm amazed that competitive Vanguard has lasted as long as it has.
I bought dear dyas without knowing anything about vanguard and i frll in love and know have several deck from the collab sets and i enjoy it alot
Even if it's small vanguard here in Cali is very big. Sure not at the level of MTG and Yugioh, but similar arguments can be made for all 3 games. MTG is becoming more predatory and stale, Yugioh's meta forces you to play 2 decks risk you getting killed turn 1 and Bushiroad makes it extremely hard for stores to stock. Fixing that should be Bushi's #1 goal.
Old school yugioh was the greatest but new school yugioh is toxic and if you told someone that you got a different opinion or don't follow their way then they can treat you pretty badly
I originally found the game through a card board cut out in my local game shop 7 years ago. Thought it looked interesting and found the original anime. One quick binge of the first series and I enjoyed it. Got through the Reverse and introdcution to legions and left it there. Got a starter deck for Narukami and Aqua Force some time later. I believe I tried to get back into it when they had the red swirly hair protagonist but didnt get very far. I'm pretty much out of the loop, but its sad to hear the game is going under.
Yea this is why I was thinking in jumping on over dress but then I saw how much I would have to invest in one single deck and it turned me off
The game is fun do, but on a matter of pricetags I preffer staying in Digimon
I feel like the only one who thinks V was an absolute mistake, yes G was getting crazy, but I think splitting the playerbase up was a horrible move.
Not at all.
Most of their problems come from rebooting, and im willing to die on that hill.
Y'know, In italy the game doesnt have those issue but ppl refuse to even try the game (and also no meta-relevant promos)
(We have 12 RRR+ per box)
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Vanguard DD's DLC aint obbligatory to buy and also you can't really compare dear days to master duel or magic arena as Games, As a way to get ppl into it: It's still possible to compare them yes, But not as games: Since one is more aimed to be a "fanservice" game, rather than to be used as a simulator.
I can agree on some points, But cant be too sure overall since by being italian, I dont have much connection to english communities. The italian community is just, for the most part, Filled with incompetence and ppl who think they're better than they actually are.
VG do be in a thight spot and it's sad to see a great game having theese issues, But at the very least they're not too hard to fix, But we need to get them to fix them before it's too late
I think the worst thing about the game is how some decks become unusable
If you play yugioh you can still use the same cards from the first show
But i entered dear days and could not find pale moon deck was so surprised
I mean you can use them, sure. But you'll never win.
Power creep has always been bushiroads problem, Im an og player and quit after the Luard G era Powercreep madness, where a new set was released every month and so decks became outdated so fast, the playerbase in the UK declined because obviously no normal person is going to keep spending huge sums of cash each month, ALSO THE GAME WAS GETTING REBOOTED IN 3 MONTHS ANYWAYS ?????? like i just don't understand this company, it's so dumb LIKE THE GAME HAS BEEN REBOOTED TWICE!?!?!??! THIS IS NOT NORMAL I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S EVEN PROFITABLE OR ENCOURAGING TO NEW PLAYERS
Haha its standard so different from previous format
TLDR: I feel the same as a lot of others on here as a new player, the game is fun as hell and has so much potential but Bushiroad can’t get their shit together and the anime was kinda boring, had confusing lgbtq bait and creepy boy/grown man relationship but was really well done and I still watched all of it.
I can relate to so many of the comments like “most fun TCG I have ever played” and “I came from yugioh and it’s a breath of fresh air” and I too just recently got into Vanguard when Overdress started.
It boggles my mind. I can’t understand how a game that has so much damn potential has almost nonexistent support at any card shop. Most people have to drive 2 hours to get somewhere that supports it.
And the $70 price tag for DD….what the actual F were they thinking? Especially releasing it at the same time as a new Pokémon game?
Even the anime is a “why would you do that?” Situation if they’re trying to get more people into Vanguard. The new anime is almost like a promotion for awareness to the LGBTQ community which, I have absolutely zero problem with people’s personal life choices (the politics behind it or how it is gone about is another story but I won’t get into that) but why on earth would you choose to cater to such a very specific group if you’re trying to bring awareness and support to the game from general public? Are they assuming that mostly LGBTQ people would be interested in vanguard and aggressively marketing to that group? Because that’s what Overdress seems to be doing.
And also the Danji/YuYu relationship is just f’ing weird. Cute if YuYu was like 17 and Danji was 19 or 20 or something like that but a 15 yr old…who lets people dress him like a girl against his will yet his deck is literally about crossdressing and how every guy in the show things he looks better than the actual girls. And that scene at the parfait shop with Danji in the 2nd or 3rd episode….Yeah…if you can’t see how thick they’re laying on the LGBTQ then you’ve gotta be blind. Again, nothing wrong with it but it just seems completely out of place if the point is to bring a bunch of new people in.
The main issue is the crossdressing a 15 yr old boy who is solicited by grown men. It’s just weird and unnecessary….and while I watched all of Overdress and Willdress for the sake of having ANY kind of Vanguard content I could get, the story was pretty slow paced and a bit boring. Just like the card game, it has A LOT of potential and was well made, but I found myself nodding off more often than not. The episodes get a little more intriguing mid-end of the anime, last episodes of Willdress were awesome btw, they did an amazing job with the music/hype during those cardfights. It was kinda like MHA hype in a Cardfight.
I wish the dear days just went to f2p and more events like yu gi oh
Yugioh community is toxic afk lots of players I knew of quitted or left for master duel
@@maddragon12345 bruh because yu gi oh gameplay is longer that's why people are just afk.
@@maddragon12345 bro i still play tcg, despite its flaws it is still a good game! Only thing that pisses me off are ftk decks in yugioh. And especially a Dark World deck.
I never watch or know about Vanguard
I'm very on the edge of buying this game but the pricing is too much for me, I had played Master Duel, Shadowverse still not get me hooked but when I saw Dear Days visual it's very appeal to me.
Definitely getting this game when it's 30-50% sale
If you're buying it on Switch, switch your region to Colombia. Game's like 18 USD.
So over the past few months my locals has boomed for Vanguard. I’ve also gotten a few friends into it as well, that now play weekly.
At least where I am, Vanguard is rivalling the numbers of Pokémon and yugioh. Which is insane. Though this has only been created due to circumstances of TCG player no longer shipping to the country, and players needing to trade or buy of other local players for cards.
In saying this, the problems you present are genuine problems the game has. In my little Local bubble I never would have considered this perspective. Though if this video came out 6 months earlier I’d probably agree.
Rant warning.
One of the most frustrating parts about the Overtrigger is that, Bushiroad could totally have OT bans be exclusive to English Premium.
The arguement of "Bushi probably doesn't want to ban them because they don't want to repeat the Nemain situation that happened back when Luard was Tier 0 in V" only really applies to the JP market.
And you have the argument of "not banning the OT because of the Anime" (even though that argument is bad imo because they could totally explain the banlist in the anime) but they only play Standard in the Anime, not Premium.
And the "Keep the Starter Decks playable" argument only applies to standard, you'd have to be crazy to think the overDress Starter Decks are "Playable" in Premium. Not to mention the recent Trial Decks have the OT in the expansion pack.
The fact I can’t even find the new trial Decks here in Western Europe speaks volumes.
Its a shame really. Id like to get back into Dress but yeah I left after the first Vanguard. Another one I'm forgetting of right now never really went big either. They had shields you had to bust also.
The sad thing with Dear Days is that its like actually a really well made game. It's almost perfect as an entry point- a corny but charming story mode, excellent presentation, and teaches the game very well. If it was even just 40 bucks, it'd probably done gangbusters, especially if bundled on steam as a two-pack, "one for a friend" at 70 bucks.
Instead most people just tell you to pirate it, and just play the fan-made sims online lol.
Joined during limit break era. Honestly played it well into v series as well. But the pandemic really hit the game hard. I havent been able to get jnto the game sense. And thought dears days was my ticket back in but to expensive of a game to buy.
As a fan of another card game that failed in the west that being battle spirits its pains me whenever that happens Bandai ruined their localization of Battle Spirits and now Bushiroad is doing the same with Vanguard
You do know Battle Spirits Saga is coming out??
@@Kai-jn7pn Yea Bushi is trying to bring it back which makes me very excited
@@favdark4164 Ahem. Bandai*
@@Kai-jn7pn Just hope they don't ruined it this time around but it Bandai we're talking about so I wouldn't get my hopes up
It's hard to invest in something that has a chance to reboot again when they screwed up again
I enjoyed the first 4 years, after that it felt as if things were moving too quickly and way to many changes.
Crazy I started playing the game same day this video was posted. I think vanguard is in a much better spot than compared to when this video was posted.
If they were smart, they would hire some people who are great at business and who are fans of the franchise.
Then they could do a hard 180 and could probably fix everything in just a few years.
The problems Vanguard has accrued are not unsolvable, but it gets harder and harder the more they delay it and act as if business is fine.
Surely at some point they can't no longer get away with their stupid decisions as a company............ Right? The fact that they can still keep getting away after fuckin things up a lot of times is pretty surprising
On the bright side we can finally look forward to seeing those VR reprints now
My issue with vanguard is accesibility. The lack of a free way to play the game in a simulator so you can actually understand it slowly HEAVILLY detriments my interest into the game. I grew up playing Yu-gi-oh! So long card text was never an issue... until I started seing random vanguard cards, IMO it felt I was getting in a rabbit hole full of inflated stats and complex mechanics... which would be fine if there was a clean simulator.
Tl,dr: I hope they do a "Master duel" for vanguard, and no, Dear days is not that.
I love vanguard and I don’t really have anyone to play it with irl so I was coming Dear Days when it was announced was gonna be their Master Duel, MTG Arena, Pokémon Online. Konami and Wizards were finally able to make a service online game like Pokémon has been having for the longest and I was hoping in order to really compete with the big 3 they would do the same but no instead they decided to just reskin EX into Dear Days because it’s literally the exact same game expect with the new assets and of course new mechanics put in and then won’t ever be updated after it comes out like EX and also have the gal to ask you for DLC that cost the same amount as the overpriced game in some places it cost even more than that. It’s just stupid of them and honestly egotistical of them too to ask the day before Pokémon SV were about to come out to ask for 69.99 when Pokémon is just 59.99.
I want the game to succeed and survive but if Bushi doesn’t pull its head out of its ass it’s going to die. It’s honestly my favorite card game to play and I mainly play and keep up with Yugioh. I been in love with the anime and binged it way before I picked up the game and the only reason I ever actually bought the cards was because I finally found people who played the game and bought the Aichi Sendo Legend deck and it’s still my main deck and I love my Blasters so much. I even pulled the SP and saw it as a sign that it would be my deck forever.
They really gotta fix a lot of things, their releases the power creep problem, the overtrigger. I’m not sure why they decided to add Grade 4 instead of just different versions of the G3 units as Grade 3s so we had more options for the ride lines since I would like more options with that plus just more ride lines in general, I hate Bermuda Triangle because it’s clearly just made to sell cards with cute anime girls on them and so they give them so much support and make them busted, I feel the same for their replacement in D series Lyrical, they have all of this support and a lot of ride lines because it’s the waifu cards while other nations only have like 4-5 different lines. I think they also have to try and fix the anime too, I haven’t watched anything of Will+Dress yet so maybe they have changed it but even tho I did enjoy the anime it clearly didn’t want to be a card game anime, shows like that with the back and forth and seeing all of the units is what gets casual people into liking the game itself and connecting with those units, it’s how I fell in love with Blaster Blade.
I hope this game doesn’t die but with the direction it’s going , Vanguard is gonna end like the other games Bushi have tried to keep going
I almost got into the game sat in my local game shop for yugioh and watched them play this. I asked the dude if liked it and he said no and he played yugioh with for while. The next week they stopped having Vanguard games there.
I love vanguard... but boy I'm dropping it. After the previous director left so many issues have been surfacing. Your video explained it well looking forward to seeing new content from you. Are you doing OP?
Also my state is one of the biggest for vanguard play and one of the biggest vanguard shops just pulled out of it so yeah worried lol.
I thought about doing one piece. I've played it a bit and it seems really good. Unfortunately I have too much of a commitment to another game I've recently started getting into.
At least on my end over in the west, the game pretty much died in my area cause of different mindsets from Japan. It used to be pretty fun to experiment but now even in casuals, if you don't play a "solved" meta deck you don't get taken seriously even after winning a lot. I do wish people where i am were more willing to experiment with stuff that could be better for the deck, but they don't which causes the game to just stagnate.
The overtrigger really don't change much for me because I accepted Vanguard at its nature is pretty swingy, and unlike AI in Dear Days trigger hitting is random. The OT didn't go over well for most of my card buddies who place blame for their losses on anything else, so it just made the toxicity already present worse. I'm very hard pressed with finding someone with my mindset to have fun and work on making my deck stronger, sadly.
Secondary market's being useful for me at least since only a few cards are considered key pieces, compared to G era where every card in the deck was which made the price totals awful. I do miss the fun times from then though.
I've quitted card fight vanguard when Gear Chronicle had another play style back in 2016
In my opinion the glitter promo cards should have been in the set in the first place
Agreed 100%
The 2nd reboot killed the game imo
Dear days pricing was decided to be like that so it's priced based on each countries own economy and pricings. It was intentional and honestly it's better than making it the same price all across the world.
I'm morbidly curious to just get the Bruce starter deck and over time do a budget upgrade but I feel a bit discouraged because even with digimon, which has a growing playerbase, you have to order a lot of the cards on tcgplayer and there's also have some expensive promos (Okuwamon and MetalGrey Alterous Mode), though not as expensive as CV and they're usually what constitute most of the deck's pricing anyway. You'd end up paying around 200 more or less for a meta relevant deck, depending on the colors
Also no one plays V Premium at my LGS and someone even laughed then told me to not play that when I jokingly asked about it
I love Vanguard!, I also want to support Bushiroad, but it's like they do not want any help, 70 dollars for Dear Days, or 10000 argentinian pesos for a digital card game, it's kinda insulting nowadays.
Bushiroad seen the total wreck of artifact and they want their car wreck so they made dear days.
Also it's quite ironic that at least in sea where I'm from, it's actually growing. VG weekly in stores is actually the best it's ever been. It's literally killed MTG because of MTG arena in my area. The only vestige MTG has left is just commander and that's about it.
the jump from before LB4 then LB4 then Legion is insane, your old deck is basically unuseable
yeah its crazy
7:23 funny thing is we don't have Vanguard in Brazil they don't translate the cards to Portugese and they don't release the cards oficially in Brazil, so we don't play Vanguard cuz we don't find the cards to buy and if we find is expensive asf
I WOULD LOVE A VANGUARD GAME LIKE MASTER DUEL
What you mean? Yugioh tcg still quite popular even in my neighborhood. We play regularly at local store. If you mean vanguard is better than yugioh, you are horribly wrong.
@@greenheart5334 I meant a game for vanguard that is similar to Yugioh Master duel
@@DokkanValkyrie so you meant Vanguard Zero? I heard they are closing servers sorry. It existed tho.
@@greenheart5334 Zero is like duel links a mobile simpler format. Master duel is exactly like the real game just with a gotcha system and craft system for cards would love that. Unfortunately I just re-downloaded just to see that they are closing servers
There are too many card games being published. There's an oversaturation of the market.Honestly i don't think Digimon,One Piece or Battle Spirits Saga will survive in the long run , especially now that yugioh retro formats are starting to see more play due to them being cheap and fun at the same time .
i played eng set 1 till mid G but honestly i didn't play a lot of G i kinda checked out after legion its honestly so sad to see where vanguard is now...especially since i remember back in the day my local shop had 40+ ppl locals and the community was so strong...but i started to feel a shift in peoples feelings about the game around late legion/early G era...suddenly that same locals hated driove checks and triggers would rant about bushiroad despite for years going on about how bushiroad was great and saying "bushi is way better than konami" ...im honestly not sure what the turning point was but after some point people just up and checked out of the game.. even now id love to play again but the game is unrecognizable to me now and just seems too intimidating to play again