I've played sax for a few months now, therefore some topics are beyond my skill; but I want to tell you that I love your videos anyway. You are a great teacher and (being Italian this a plus for me) your speech is very clear and easy to understand (so I get English lessons included for free... 😜). Thanks for your great work!
Blowing my mind with the subtone altissimo relationship! I’ve always felt like I could do subtone only up so high until I had to change to a regular embochure for higher notes. And I love playing out... Back to the woodshed!
Thanks. Been playing and teaching for years. Imitation has always been easy for me so subtone was a natural thing. Teaching it to someone else was always a challenge.
I think you've just made me realise that I'm a lip-out, sub-tone player. I hadn't really thought about my sound in these terms before. This is quite a revelation for me, and explains my choice of mouthpiece and why I swap depending on what kind of music I'm doing. Guess you're never to old to learn something new about yourself eh? 🎷
I got my first sax for chirstmas and I was having a hard time getting notes out, 8:09 perfectly shows what I've been doing and although this video isnt about how to make a proper sound, it still helped me to do so now that I know what I was actually doing 👍
This is one of the best sax yt channel, i often look for short videos, but everytime I saw your vids I got a lot from them, you are a very good teacher, keep it like that :)
Dude, it just hit me..... you got that Dizzy Gillespie thing going on! All puffed up.... rockin it! Subtone def'n - that 'stick'em to the chair' sound.
Learned what subtones are last month. Been practicing ever since. Stumbled onto your technique before seeing this and it WORKS and I mean easily. Now thank you Sir for having qualified "my" technique.
I was checking subtone videos from different players ,how controversial subject the lip out embouchure.Someway your explanation stand closer to me. Your sound proof for that!
Very interesting! My main piece is a super tone master seven*. As I continue learning and begin to go past F # on the top I’ve been working on G, has not been easy. All of the sudden in the last couple weeks it started popping out as I relaxed my embouchure more. Fascinating. Thanks for all your efforts. I always learn something valuable.
Wow thank you so much. I've watched so many videos trying to figure out how to play altissimo, and this one honestly helped me more than anything else.
Special! Thanks so much, Sirvalorsax, for your focus and forthright clarification about these mysterious tones of adventure! Big effort, and, it's certainly very much appreciated. Thanking you for sharing your hold on thangs in respect of air and embouchure manipulation with us. See ya!
This is very interesting. Every other saxophone teacher suggests moving the jaw down and back for producing subtone. Your approach is definitely interesting and unique and deserves to be tried.
recently i ve bought the SML gold medal tenor in south korea. so let me check the subtone out based on your instructions by sml tenor. always thanks a lot !!!
The idea that subtone fundamentals improve altissimo technique is a big eye opener for me. Always appreciate your insight!!😁 Have you ever done a video on clarinet embouchure for saxophonists, or saxophone embouchure for clarinetists for that matter? Thanks!
Hey, I got that Super 20 from MRS. They give you a 1 year warranty and when you first get a horn (in my experience) you need to go over it and note anything you need them to fix up. So they replaced a couple of pads and put on some new pieces of cork and stuff for me. Plays great now. I never had a bari before so i just spent the first day learning how to voice all the notes and make them sound good. Using a Berg 105/2 SMS and Legere 2.25 Signatures.
You do deserve more subscribers..... ! Your approach is so clear and pedagogical. It Would be great to see u doing some collaboration with @saxologic or Augie Bello ! 🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝
Thank you for the video . Your instructions or suggestions seem to run counter to what is generally and universally offered as to position of the mouthpiece. All of the subtone instructions offered on the Net and articles published state as a matter of established fact that the mouthpiece be positioned so that the very edge of the reed rests upon the mid section of lower lip with the axis of the mouthpiece being some unspecified angle upward from the normal, while you suggest that the mouthpiece be moved forward a little from the usual playing position and the axis of the mouthpiece be inclined some forty five degrees downward. I notice you do not mention the position of lower jaw so assume that this is not of any importance vis a vis subtone production. Your approach is most certainly a breakaway from the normal and most decidedly deserves to be tried out. Thank you very much for the video and the very best to you.
Instructions here have already proven to me that this is the best approach. There are exceptions in the details, like mouthpiece design. Best subtones I have heard come from a lady calling herself Debb Saxx on RUclips. Check her out, she may be the best saxophonist nobody ever heard of. Best of luck!
@@hammered0184 Thank you for your comments. I do not agree or disagree with the instructions given by super professional saxophonists . I cannot in any way express my own opinion as i have not been able to produce even a hint of subtone. I have merely pointed out the differences in the instructions of very proficient saxophonists and in fact i have produced a short paper on all of the methods suggested or insisted upon by the most advanced players. across the world and if there is one disturbing element made evident by my research is the almost unlimited contradiction in subtone techniques offered by the experts. I was not able to access the saxophonist Debb Saxx. I was however able to locate just one video by one Debb Starr who most certainly must surely be one of the best if not actually the best saxophonist ever. Thank you for your comments and please do offer me your own suggestions or advice or instruction vis a vis producing the subtone as regards your experiences as to mouthpiece type, lay, tip , chamber and reed.Thank you again.
hi, any idea why I can't play low notes other that using Subtone and with double cushion. If I try the full sound with my teeth resting on the mouth piece, the notes just break or stay high. Actually I never learned how to play with my teeth resting on the mouth piece, and I hate it. please what am I supposed to do in this case?
So what about when practising subtones and having thoses multi-notes at once like you had on the G? Having some difficulty to get clean sound unless I come down from low E let's say. Is it that my reed is too soft?
The saxophone's tone can become unstable with any type of extreme embouchure. I've had this issue on soprano when I relax too much. If the embouchure is too loose, the lower notes can also split. Try to find those points where the sound is right on the verge of splitting and play in the middle.
I get that split sound on the high G when i'm playing normally sometimes... thought it was maybe a fault in the sax. I can correct it by tightening the embouchoure but seems like it's just that note 🤔@@Sirvalorsax
Does this involve moving your jaw forward to achieve that 45 degree angle? Many instructors online suggest moving the jaw back for subtones, so I just wanted to clarify. Moving the jaw back seems to do nothing for me.
Ahh your videos never disappoint 👍... also I play soprano so, generally, my embouchure is always pretty tight to keep intonation... any tips to subtone for soprano players?
Those intros always seem so goofy but then I realise you're way older than you look and actually in your late 30s or something :-) Makes you very likeable. Thanks a lot for the video though. I am trying to get a lot of subtone in the lower register of my alto so I sound more clean and soft and still be able to start the notes fast and quietly. My teacher told me to use more of an overbite and have less of my lip around the reed for subtones as opposed to what you said, so I'm a little bit confused here since your approach has been very helpful to me over the past couple of months. I have been playing without my octave key for like 4 months now and been experimenting with playing everything a semi-tone lower than what I finger while still keeping the notes up in the higher register. I play a Meyer 6 Medium Chamber with strength 4 reads. Do you think I should change anything about that if I want a sound that feels like Bix Beiderbecke, Edmond Hall, Chet Baker, Lester Young, Johnny Hodges, Jimmy Dorsey (I know they're not all saxophonists) ?
A lot of people teach the "small amount of mouthpiece" technique for subtoning but I have always found it limiting. It does work however which is why so many people use it. The 4 strength reeds might be too stiff. I'd move to 3's and really focus on relaxing the embouchure. It may seem like it's too soft at first. If you can, try monitoring yourself with a microphone and headphones. Be sure to turn yourself up too loud so that way you force yourself to use a more relaxed embouchure.
Kenny G A musicians musician Wonderful human being Does not use subtones cos he's really smart can really do it and doesn't have to. However, if I feel I'm coming up short, well there's no end to the tricks I'll try....and it's all good, but maybe not that much, I'm a bit of a flash in the pan really... Sorry..
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I've played sax for a few months now, therefore some topics are beyond my skill; but I want to tell you that I love your videos anyway.
You are a great teacher and (being Italian this a plus for me) your speech is very clear and easy to understand (so I get English lessons included for free... 😜). Thanks for your great work!
Just wanted to applaud you again for how articulate you are. A fantastic communicator you are!!
Exactly what I was thinking.
Blowing my mind with the subtone altissimo relationship! I’ve always felt like I could do subtone only up so high until I had to change to a regular embochure for higher notes. And I love playing out... Back to the woodshed!
Great lesson, thank you for the enlightenment sir.
THANKS, the KING of Gorgeous Songs
Thanks. Been playing and teaching for years. Imitation has always been easy for me so subtone was a natural thing. Teaching it to someone else was always a challenge.
I think you've just made me realise that I'm a lip-out, sub-tone player. I hadn't really thought about my sound in these terms before. This is quite a revelation for me, and explains my choice of mouthpiece and why I swap depending on what kind of music I'm doing. Guess you're never to old to learn something new about yourself eh?
🎷
I'm older'n dirt and still learning that some things I learn make me and those around me nervous.
Keep on keepin' on!!
I got my first sax for chirstmas and I was having a hard time getting notes out, 8:09 perfectly shows what I've been doing and although this video isnt about how to make a proper sound, it still helped me to do so now that I know what I was actually doing 👍
This is one of the best sax yt channel, i often look for short videos, but everytime I saw your vids I got a lot from them, you are a very good teacher, keep it like that :)
Glad you like them, Thanks
Thank you !! Just what I needed to hear. Been working on the foo foo sound for awhile. This is actionable info. Cheers !!
I have seldom seen better explanations, and really excited to hear and see more. This is my first time seeing your channel and I am deeply impressed.
Welcome aboard! Thanks for watching
Dude, it just hit me..... you got that Dizzy Gillespie thing going on! All puffed up.... rockin it! Subtone def'n - that 'stick'em to the chair' sound.
LOL Thanks
Learned what subtones are last month. Been practicing ever since. Stumbled onto your technique before seeing this and it WORKS and I mean easily. Now thank you Sir for having qualified "my" technique.
Cool
I was checking subtone videos from different players ,how controversial subject the lip out embouchure.Someway your explanation stand closer to me. Your sound proof for that!
You are great sax teacher! Thanks!
Very interesting! My main piece is a super tone master seven*. As I continue learning and begin to go past F # on the top I’ve been working on G, has not been easy. All of the sudden in the last couple weeks it started popping out as I relaxed my embouchure more. Fascinating. Thanks for all your efforts. I always learn something valuable.
Good stuff! Thanks for watching
Wow thank you so much. I've watched so many videos trying to figure out how to play altissimo, and this one honestly helped me more than anything else.
Glad it helped! Thanks
Special! Thanks so much, Sirvalorsax, for your focus and forthright clarification about these mysterious tones of adventure! Big effort, and, it's certainly very much appreciated. Thanking you for sharing your hold on thangs in respect of air and embouchure manipulation with us. See ya!
You're adding mega science to my game. Thank you so much.
Cool!!
Excellent lesson, now to practice for 2 months. Thank you from Scotland.
LOL
Love vids adrien you articulate in a relaxed way no bs
Thanks
This is very interesting. Every other saxophone teacher suggests moving the jaw down and back for producing subtone. Your approach is definitely interesting and unique and deserves to be tried.
And seems to me every other instructor talks too loudly and gets all wound up. Snake oil salesmen?
Hey Adrien good to see you again.
Thanks for another informative video.
I hope you have had a great weekend and are staying safe.
Thank you Sir, very informative
Thank you , it was very helpful. You kick ass
Fantastic video and thorough explanations, as always. Super thanks :)
My pleasure!
recently i ve bought the SML gold medal tenor in south korea. so let me check the subtone out based on your instructions by sml tenor. always thanks a lot !!!
Awesome teacher !!
Mestre o senhor tocar muito. Brincar com o sax. Deus te abençoe por esse dom.
The idea that subtone fundamentals improve altissimo technique is a big eye opener for me. Always appreciate your insight!!😁 Have you ever done a video on clarinet embouchure for saxophonists, or saxophone embouchure for clarinetists for that matter? Thanks!
Not exactly, but I have frequently talked about it.
ruclips.net/video/dC8uP8Mib_U/видео.html
Well done, I’m always looking for new ways of learning things.
More to come!
Great advice as usual. Many thanks.
Wonderful thanks
Hey, I got that Super 20 from MRS. They give you a 1 year warranty and when you first get a horn (in my experience) you need to go over it and note anything you need them to fix up. So they replaced a couple of pads and put on some new pieces of cork and stuff for me. Plays great now. I never had a bari before so i just spent the first day learning how to voice all the notes and make them sound good. Using a Berg 105/2 SMS and Legere 2.25 Signatures.
Super 20 Silver-Sonic Tenor is my personal favorite. Hope you enjoy your bari!
Those guys are great!! I should be reviewing a bari from there soon with potentially buying it
Thank for your great knowlige!
Great lesson 👍
You're an awesome saxophonist!!
Thank you very much!
@@Sirvalorsax Teacher too! :)
Fantastic video, thank you!
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You do deserve more subscribers..... ! Your approach is so clear and pedagogical. It Would be great to see u doing some collaboration with @saxologic or Augie Bello ! 🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝
Maybe one day!
Thanks Coach!
Once again, amazing video
Thank you so much 😀
Helpful as always
Great video my brother
Thank you for the video . Your instructions or suggestions seem to run counter to what is generally and universally offered as to position of the mouthpiece. All of the subtone instructions offered on the Net and articles published state as a matter of established fact that the mouthpiece be positioned so that the very edge of the reed rests upon the mid section of lower lip with the axis of the mouthpiece being some unspecified angle upward from the normal, while you suggest that the mouthpiece be moved forward a little from the usual playing position and the axis of the mouthpiece be inclined some forty five degrees downward. I notice you do not mention the position of lower jaw so assume that this is not of any importance vis a vis subtone production. Your approach is most certainly a breakaway from the normal and most decidedly deserves to be tried out. Thank you very much for the video and the very best to you.
Instructions here have already proven to me that this is the best approach. There are exceptions in the details, like mouthpiece design. Best subtones I have heard come from a lady calling herself Debb Saxx on RUclips. Check her out, she may be the best saxophonist nobody ever heard of. Best of luck!
@@hammered0184 Thank you for your comments. I do not agree or disagree with the instructions given by super professional saxophonists . I cannot in any way express my own opinion as i have not been able to produce even a hint of subtone. I have merely pointed out the differences in the instructions of very proficient saxophonists and in fact i have produced a short paper on all of the methods suggested or insisted upon by the most advanced players. across the world and if there is one disturbing element made evident by my research is the almost unlimited contradiction in subtone techniques offered by the experts. I was not able to access the saxophonist Debb Saxx. I was however able to locate just one video by one Debb Starr who most certainly must surely be one of the best if not actually the best saxophonist ever. Thank you for your comments and please do offer me your own suggestions or advice or instruction vis a vis producing the subtone as regards your experiences as to mouthpiece type, lay, tip , chamber and reed.Thank you again.
@@hammered0184 you meant Debb Starr!
hi, any idea why I can't play low notes other that using Subtone and with double cushion. If I try the full sound with my teeth resting on the mouth piece, the notes just break or stay high.
Actually I never learned how to play with my teeth resting on the mouth piece, and I hate it. please what am I supposed to do in this case?
Have you tried Boston Sax Shop reeds?
love ur content
Yamaha 7c 2.5 Rico( orange)?
So what about when practising subtones and having thoses multi-notes at once like you had on the G? Having some difficulty to get clean sound unless I come down from low E let's say. Is it that my reed is too soft?
The saxophone's tone can become unstable with any type of extreme embouchure. I've had this issue on soprano when I relax too much. If the embouchure is too loose, the lower notes can also split. Try to find those points where the sound is right on the verge of splitting and play in the middle.
I get that split sound on the high G when i'm playing normally sometimes... thought it was maybe a fault in the sax. I can correct it by tightening the embouchoure but seems like it's just that note 🤔@@Sirvalorsax
Is the aibay #7 considered a high baffle mouthpiece?
No, its pretty neutral
So would it be ok to practice subtones with? I mostly play the legere' signature series reed.
Can you please explain the “lip out embouchure”?
Lower lip not between teeth and reed, just on reed.
Does this involve moving your jaw forward to achieve that 45 degree angle? Many instructors online suggest moving the jaw back for subtones, so I just wanted to clarify. Moving the jaw back seems to do nothing for me.
yo wtf i didn’t even realize i literally only play with a subtone then
Lol same haha
We got that relaxed embouchure down haha
What kind of mouthpiece patches do you use? Thanks! Love your vids man!
Ahh your videos never disappoint 👍... also I play soprano so, generally, my embouchure is always pretty tight to keep intonation... any tips to subtone for soprano players?
I do exactly the same thing. I generally am more picky about my choice of mouthpieces with soprano though.
Great lesson Thanks Dick
How can you say "phoo phoo sound" with such a straight face 😜
Lol
Those intros always seem so goofy but then I realise you're way older than you look and actually in your late 30s or something :-) Makes you very likeable.
Thanks a lot for the video though. I am trying to get a lot of subtone in the lower register of my alto so I sound more clean and soft and still be able to start the notes fast and quietly. My teacher told me to use more of an overbite and have less of my lip around the reed for subtones as opposed to what you said, so I'm a little bit confused here since your approach has been very helpful to me over the past couple of months. I have been playing without my octave key for like 4 months now and been experimenting with playing everything a semi-tone lower than what I finger while still keeping the notes up in the higher register.
I play a Meyer 6 Medium Chamber with strength 4 reads. Do you think I should change anything about that if I want a sound that feels like Bix Beiderbecke, Edmond Hall, Chet Baker, Lester Young, Johnny Hodges, Jimmy Dorsey (I know they're not all saxophonists) ?
A lot of people teach the "small amount of mouthpiece" technique for subtoning but I have always found it limiting. It does work however which is why so many people use it. The 4 strength reeds might be too stiff. I'd move to 3's and really focus on relaxing the embouchure. It may seem like it's too soft at first. If you can, try monitoring yourself with a microphone and headphones. Be sure to turn yourself up too loud so that way you force yourself to use a more relaxed embouchure.
Qual o nome da sua boquilha ????
I’ve heard a lot of teachers say subtone means less mouthpiece in the mouth rather than more🤔
But your subtone sound is awesome
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Kenny G
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Wonderful human being
Does not use subtones cos he's really smart can really do it and doesn't have to.
However, if I feel I'm coming up short, well there's no end to the tricks I'll try....and it's all good, but maybe not that much, I'm a bit of a flash in the pan really... Sorry..
Haaaaa kenny g musicians muso lmfa subtone haaaaaaa
Whatever. Personally I can't stand to listen to his playing. Elevators and gasoline pumps anyone?