Don't sleep on the @insta360 holiday sale! Get 15% off the X4 and a free snow kit with my link: www.insta360.com/sal/x4?INRW52O Let me know what mount and setting was your favourite in the comments! Thanks as always for all of the support.
So glad to see you back at Sun Peaks ripping up those groomers... and great to see your footage of the new West Bowl lift area. Gotta say, the 8k footage 'seems' a lot crispier. I have the new Insta360 X4 (and had the previous X3), but haven't used it a whole lot yet, looking forward to testing it out when I get up to Canada in a month's time. Cheers!
Oh man. Taking out the queue ropes on the lift. Props to you for keeping that moment in. We all have those moments. Theres a little jerry in all of us :)
Like dSLR cameras during the megapixel race, the benefits of resolution in a camera come from more than just rendering straight to output. It's about having more room to play with crops and edits. James *does* mention this at the end of the video, but I'll say it again. There are downsides, as well. James mentioned file sizes, which is true-shooting in 8K will require higher capacity storage media as well as hard drive space (including backups). Another downside of higher-resolution sensors is that the more pixels you cram into a sensor (of a given size), the smaller each pixel is and the worse it performs in low-light situations. Probably not much of a concern when we're using these for skiing-and both camera processors and noise reduction algorithms have gotten really good-but [arguably] worth mentioning. Great video, James! You've got me on the fence to pick one of these up.
Great Video with the different comparisons of the Insta360 X4. I just got mine from your link. I look forward to playing with the different settings. Thanks for putting that video together.
Sweet ....fun let um ride sunshine and smiles kinda day !!!Man love days like that empty slopes,ripping corduroy, and air in out at leisure,,,all that was missing was a nice IPA at your condo on wheels!!!!camera styles were fantastic James!!!! another banger can't remember the last fair day you have had mostly powder and sunshine. Keep the awsome days goin!!!
Thanks for the 2024 fun James. Has kept me going through the London grind! Would love to see how you cope with some of our European resorts. They are so crowded compared to your BC ones. Any trips across the Atlantic planned? Happy Christmas!
8k is actually useful, unlike what most are saying... when you refame and edit the video you can now get a 1080 export instead of 720! This is because the whole 360 view is 8k so that's how you get 1080 with ur typical 90° fov.
I would like to see a higher frame rate, probably don’t really need the extreme resolution. My experience from the old days was that 780 at 60 fps was better than 1080 at 30. Any blurriness comes I think from judder on pans. A faster rate I think would also give you smoother foreground and bring medium distance objects up in sharpness. The distance in travel or pan, between frames is what lowers the clarity so bringing up the rate should make things sharper.
FPS is super important. The issue with the 360 cameras is that there is a big loss of quality during the export and stitching process. I also agree that 5.7k 60fps is better than 8k 30fps for action shots. However, the extra pixels on the 8k for more still shots are handy because it can actually be uploaded in 360. People watch RUclips on TV's these days so that's where being able to upload in a true 4k is super helpful.
The only problem is that to actually experience the 8k resolution, you would need an 8k monitor which are hard to come by as well as insanely expensive, so I think it would probably be more worth it to film in 4k at a higher framerate. That's just my opinion though.
100% However, the 8k gives you the ability to crop and zoom when editing and has a little less compression into 4k. I personally never have plans to upload at 4k but it helps retain some quality in the 360 filming and editing process which is sweet.
Ordered my X4 with your code on black friday. love it so far! incredible camera especially coming from a GorPo Max. Do you run the lens guards while skiing? I do find both tend to alter the quality quite a bit and create some sort of brightness difference at the stitching line. Thanks for the epic videos! Cheers from germany
Dude... Blows the Max out of the water eh. I never run the lens guards. I think I mentioned it in my review video. The concept of the lens guard is good, but I find it does distort quality. I would only run the lens guards if I was doing something really heinous on dirt and rocks. I've used this X4 hard since it was released with no lens guards and still no scratches. Just be super diligent about putting the lens cap on and not hitting the trees LOL.
@ it’s insane! Oops seems like I didn’t even watchful your review. Need to do that then. I’ll try to run it without the guards on the next snowboard trip but will put them back on once it’s mtb season again. Thanks for the TL:DR on the review video!
I can tell you for free that on my 80 inch UHD Tv, you can absolutely tell the difference between the footage shot in 8k vs 5.7k I can literally see every line in the snow, even when your flying down the mountain in 8k. I can’t say the same for 5.7k Do you edit your footage in post at all? The colours etc? It looks incredible.
Thanks for testing on the big screen. It's wicked you can see a difference. Hard for me to tell on the computer. I do zero post production. All colours are raw from the camera.
I edit myself. Use insta360 app or desktop software. Imovie is my editor. I only use a mic when you see me holding one in the intro. Everything else is action cam mic.
@@riseandalpine Thx. Pro tip - leave your keys in the van. The odds of getting things stolen are probably lower over time (years) than the dreaded discovery of open pocket full of pow where keys used to be. This is especially true when partaking of shredherb which results in...where's my keys, where's my pole, I forgot my footbeds, I forgot.... :)
That's a wicked idea. My computer is old and can't handle that type of upload. It would explode hahahaa. Maybe one day when I upgrade my computer I can try it.
I have a suggestion you should render your video in 60fps even though the footage is 30 fps/24 fps because uploading in 60fps regardless of the footage's FPS is always better as youtube compression treats videos with a frame rate of 60 better (it will just have duplicate frames). This is well known in the editing community idk why youtube doesn't say this
Resolution is a bit tricky. Most people sit far enough away from their screens that their eyeballs literally can’t distinguish the pixels, and 1080 and 4k will look extremely similar to each other (at least for video content, gaming is a bit different). All that to say, 8k is just a gimmick. At least until we all start having gigantic 100 inch+ TV’s. It’ll just create unnecessarily large data files for you to manage LTT has some good videos on this topic. I think he shoots in 8k because then he can crop in post production more easily and release in 4k - I think this is likely the best use case for you as well
no, the 8k works by having two 4k cams on both sides, and this is because 360 cams were notoriously bad for zooming in or cropping (when editing) up until x3/x4, so now there is a 360 cam available where you can film 4k on any given frame (opposed to two 2k cams, 4k)
Yup - you're totally right. There is less compression of the 8k 360 footage so it tends to look more like a true 4k shot. Also the cropping and zooming is better with less blurriness!
It's a mono mount designed by Deorum ski poles. It attaches directly to their pole. Before they made this I used to just glue my own mount on the top of my pole. I talk about the poles in this video if you want to learn more :) ruclips.net/video/6OWmvHP1UA0/видео.html
The mouth mount seems stupid as an idea. How well does it actually work? How much bite pressure does it take. How much damage does it do to your teeth when you land hard and take a knee to the face?
The angle looks shockingly good. Probably the best POV angle in the world. The functionality is horrible. You gotta tense hard to hold on to it and I hate the feeling. Surfers use it all the time. However, if you're going big enough to where your knees are often hitting your face, a mouth guard might be the call hahhaa
I personally don't like the look or feel. When you run the pole mount you can't pole plant normally and end up skiing differently (with a still arm). I can ride harder just holding the selfie stick and not having the counterweight. Also one less thing to lug around!
You're going to get more value out of higher FPS. My youtube app usually defaults to like 480 or 720p. I am always moving the quality up but I bet most viewers are not doing this. Not sure if people watching on computers versus the app experience this different. I'm betting the videos look way nicer on the editors computer.
Totally. When it comes to phone watching it doesn't make that much of a difference. Since I stare at screens a lot I always flick on 4k when I have good wifi. The main nice thing about the 8k is a reduction in compression and ability to zoom a bit more of your 360 video without getting too much blurriness. I don't see myself actually ever uploading in 8k.
In 8k, the details are a little more crisp and noticeable. I suspect a future 12k video resolution would just make details more crisper, and then, it doesn’t matter past that resolution. Past 12k would be overkill…
To be honest I film all of the videos on this channel with 5.7k/30fps. Maybe I'll start mixing in more 60fps but since I don't run slo mo often it doesn't matter much to me.
@@coookalo i like 30 fps. 60 fps is too smooth sometimes. Whats interesting tho is youtube makes 60fps videos have better quality so many people will export a 30 fps video in 60 fps (there will just be duplicate frames) and the video will have better quality after uploaded to youtube because of youtube compression .
R&A - Love your videos. However, I'm concerned about the mouth-mount apparatus and the long-term number it might do to your jaw. I would strongly encourage you to get an opinion from an orthodontist, or even just your dentist. I'm rather confident that with long-term use, with that much weight on your jaw (and especially compression weight), could really be doing you a serious disservice in the not-too-distant future. If, after wearing it for one lap, it feels like you chewed about 12 packs of gum, that is not a good thing. Just looking out for you, young man 😊.
They have seemingly gotten more aggressive with ads. I reckon they are trying to push everyone into premium. Wouldn't be so bad if they actually paid creators fairly hahahaha
Don't sleep on the @insta360 holiday sale! Get 15% off the X4 and a free snow kit with my link: www.insta360.com/sal/x4?INRW52O Let me know what mount and setting was your favourite in the comments! Thanks as always for all of the support.
So glad to see you back at Sun Peaks ripping up those groomers... and great to see your footage of the new West Bowl lift area. Gotta say, the 8k footage 'seems' a lot crispier. I have the new Insta360 X4 (and had the previous X3), but haven't used it a whole lot yet, looking forward to testing it out when I get up to Canada in a month's time. Cheers!
Excited to hear how you like the X4!
Oh man. Taking out the queue ropes on the lift. Props to you for keeping that moment in.
We all have those moments. Theres a little jerry in all of us :)
Dude. Full Jerry moment. Liftie was super cool about it.
Like dSLR cameras during the megapixel race, the benefits of resolution in a camera come from more than just rendering straight to output. It's about having more room to play with crops and edits. James *does* mention this at the end of the video, but I'll say it again.
There are downsides, as well. James mentioned file sizes, which is true-shooting in 8K will require higher capacity storage media as well as hard drive space (including backups). Another downside of higher-resolution sensors is that the more pixels you cram into a sensor (of a given size), the smaller each pixel is and the worse it performs in low-light situations. Probably not much of a concern when we're using these for skiing-and both camera processors and noise reduction algorithms have gotten really good-but [arguably] worth mentioning.
Great video, James! You've got me on the fence to pick one of these up.
Agree with everything you're saying. Sounds like you know more about the technical aspects of cameras than me!
Great Video with the different comparisons of the Insta360 X4. I just got mine from your link. I look forward to playing with the different settings. Thanks for putting that video together.
Have fun messing around with it. Crazy how good it can look with minimal effort!
Awesome Video!! Hello From Brazil !! I will be in Cypress and Grouse next week for a couple days of ski !!
Thanks for tuning in from Brazil. That's awesome. Cypress and grouse are such fun mountains! Best views ever!
Sweet ....fun let um ride sunshine and smiles kinda day !!!Man love days like that empty slopes,ripping corduroy, and air in out at leisure,,,all that was missing was a nice IPA at your condo on wheels!!!!camera styles were fantastic James!!!! another banger can't remember the last fair day you have had mostly powder and sunshine. Keep the awsome days goin!!!
I've got some horseshoes this season with the weather! An ice cold one sounds real good right about now.
Thanks for the 2024 fun James. Has kept me going through the London grind! Would love to see how you cope with some of our European resorts. They are so crowded compared to your BC ones. Any trips across the Atlantic planned? Happy Christmas!
Thanks for coming along for the ride. Would love to cross the Atlantic at some point. I gotta save some pennies first!
8k is actually useful, unlike what most are saying... when you refame and edit the video you can now get a 1080 export instead of 720! This is because the whole 360 view is 8k so that's how you get 1080 with ur typical 90° fov.
100%
Thanks
Thank you for the support brother!
Putting this into the cross the Atlantic to go skiing fund ;)
Your carve turns look so good. I’m a snowboarder you make me want to try skiing. Thanks for the great content.
Thanks dude! Carving on skis is great. Looks sweet on a snowboard too, the way you can run your hand along the snow!
The video quality is amazing. I'm watching in 4k on a LG C2 and it looks incredible.
Unreal - glad to have the report from the big screen!
Was just at sunpeaks after a heavy dump! Amazing! Can't wait to be back.
Sun Peaks is so damn fun. Felt like I had the whole place to myself.
I would like to see a higher frame rate, probably don’t really need the extreme resolution. My experience from the old days was that 780 at 60 fps was better than 1080 at 30.
Any blurriness comes I think from judder on pans. A faster rate I think would also give you smoother foreground and bring medium distance objects up in sharpness. The distance in travel or pan, between frames is what lowers the clarity so bringing up the rate should make things sharper.
FPS is super important. The issue with the 360 cameras is that there is a big loss of quality during the export and stitching process. I also agree that 5.7k 60fps is better than 8k 30fps for action shots. However, the extra pixels on the 8k for more still shots are handy because it can actually be uploaded in 360. People watch RUclips on TV's these days so that's where being able to upload in a true 4k is super helpful.
The only problem is that to actually experience the 8k resolution, you would need an 8k monitor which are hard to come by as well as insanely expensive, so I think it would probably be more worth it to film in 4k at a higher framerate. That's just my opinion though.
100% However, the 8k gives you the ability to crop and zoom when editing and has a little less compression into 4k. I personally never have plans to upload at 4k but it helps retain some quality in the 360 filming and editing process which is sweet.
Awesome video. My favorite was the mouth held run.
It looks sick right!
@riseandalpine man you were crushing it. And the angle from your face looks the best to me. But yeah holding it in your mouth would be uncomfortable.
Breaking in boots is rough. Feel ya there my dude
I finally got em' working good. Took a few weeks of serious foot pain and many visits to the boot doctor! I have some weird ass feet hahaha
Ordered my X4 with your code on black friday. love it so far! incredible camera especially coming from a GorPo Max. Do you run the lens guards while skiing? I do find both tend to alter the quality quite a bit and create some sort of brightness difference at the stitching line. Thanks for the epic videos! Cheers from germany
Dude... Blows the Max out of the water eh. I never run the lens guards. I think I mentioned it in my review video. The concept of the lens guard is good, but I find it does distort quality. I would only run the lens guards if I was doing something really heinous on dirt and rocks. I've used this X4 hard since it was released with no lens guards and still no scratches. Just be super diligent about putting the lens cap on and not hitting the trees LOL.
@ it’s insane! Oops seems like I didn’t even watchful your review. Need to do that then. I’ll try to run it without the guards on the next snowboard trip but will put them back on once it’s mtb season again. Thanks for the TL:DR on the review video!
What's the difference between a mouth mount and and a chest mount? It seems pretty painful😂
I can tell you for free that on my 80 inch UHD Tv, you can absolutely tell the difference between the footage shot in 8k vs 5.7k I can literally see every line in the snow, even when your flying down the mountain in 8k. I can’t say the same for 5.7k
Do you edit your footage in post at all? The colours etc? It looks incredible.
Thanks for testing on the big screen. It's wicked you can see a difference. Hard for me to tell on the computer. I do zero post production. All colours are raw from the camera.
@@riseandalpine keep it up. 👍🏻
Do you do your own edits? Acrobat for software? Bluetooth mic?
I edit myself. Use insta360 app or desktop software. Imovie is my editor. I only use a mic when you see me holding one in the intro. Everything else is action cam mic.
@@riseandalpine Thx. Pro tip - leave your keys in the van. The odds of getting things stolen are probably lower over time (years) than the dreaded discovery of open pocket full of pow where keys used to be. This is especially true when partaking of shredherb which results in...where's my keys, where's my pole, I forgot my footbeds, I forgot.... :)
Is this based on my reaction? lol. Ay man good explanation.Thx❤
Thanks
Never seen a magic carpet onto chairlift befor?
People here in Oz cant even get onto a normal chair without taking out half the mountain anyway.
Hahahaa Such a crazy lift!
Same here. I had never seen one either.
Labour savings at work
When are you guys restocking your stickers and hot sauce? Any chance before Christmas!
I disapprove of the mouth mount. The mouth must be unencumbered so it can be used for sipping and hooting
Agreed :)
What if you tried uploading a 360 video so we could rotate it ourselves? I think that could be interesting
That's a wicked idea. My computer is old and can't handle that type of upload. It would explode hahahaa. Maybe one day when I upgrade my computer I can try it.
What about the HDR? Did you find it made a difference?
I thought it looked quite natural and nice. I don't have the most professional eye. Thought everything looked pretty damn good!
Thank you for uploading. :)
Thank you for still watching even though the focus is on the camera.
Has anyone skied breckenridge and if so give me some tips on what peaks to hit first!
Help this man out!
wait can u use chest mount for skiing?
Absolutely! I always use to use it.
I have a suggestion you should render your video in 60fps even though the footage is 30 fps/24 fps because uploading in 60fps regardless of the footage's FPS is always better as youtube compression treats videos with a frame rate of 60 better (it will just have duplicate frames). This is well known in the editing community idk why youtube doesn't say this
Appreciate that advice. I'll start filming in 60fps more often!
Resolution is a bit tricky. Most people sit far enough away from their screens that their eyeballs literally can’t distinguish the pixels, and 1080 and 4k will look extremely similar to each other (at least for video content, gaming is a bit different).
All that to say, 8k is just a gimmick. At least until we all start having gigantic 100 inch+ TV’s. It’ll just create unnecessarily large data files for you to manage
LTT has some good videos on this topic. I think he shoots in 8k because then he can crop in post production more easily and release in 4k - I think this is likely the best use case for you as well
no, the 8k works by having two 4k cams on both sides, and this is because 360 cams were notoriously bad for zooming in or cropping (when editing) up until x3/x4, so now there is a 360 cam available where you can film 4k on any given frame (opposed to two 2k cams, 4k)
Yup - you're totally right. There is less compression of the 8k 360 footage so it tends to look more like a true 4k shot. Also the cropping and zooming is better with less blurriness!
That’s some crisp footage
Not bad eh
I had a problem getting vertigo watching some of your X360 videos. You must have changed the editing because I don't notice it as much any more.
How is the Ace Pro attached to the end of the ski pole
It's a mono mount designed by Deorum ski poles. It attaches directly to their pole. Before they made this I used to just glue my own mount on the top of my pole. I talk about the poles in this video if you want to learn more :)
ruclips.net/video/6OWmvHP1UA0/видео.html
@ you’re the man
The mouth mount seems stupid as an idea. How well does it actually work? How much bite pressure does it take. How much damage does it do to your teeth when you land hard and take a knee to the face?
The angle looks shockingly good. Probably the best POV angle in the world. The functionality is horrible. You gotta tense hard to hold on to it and I hate the feeling. Surfers use it all the time. However, if you're going big enough to where your knees are often hitting your face, a mouth guard might be the call hahhaa
No ski pole mount, how come?
I personally don't like the look or feel. When you run the pole mount you can't pole plant normally and end up skiing differently (with a still arm). I can ride harder just holding the selfie stick and not having the counterweight. Also one less thing to lug around!
No, 8k is not needed since almost nobody can actually view the footage in 8k on youtube. 😆 It's a cool ability to have though
8k is still 4k its only “8k” cause of the two cameras. So if you want 4k footage it needs to be filmed in 8k.
@@nakahili539 Not true brother. Each camera lens on insta360 x4 is 8k capable.
A video filmed in 8k and downscaled to 4k will still look better then a video just shot in 4k.
@@yubetou52 can't argue with this😀 Still would prefer 60fps ski vids over 30 though
@@xColter fps is less important they still shoot movies in 27fps
You're going to get more value out of higher FPS. My youtube app usually defaults to like 480 or 720p. I am always moving the quality up but I bet most viewers are not doing this.
Not sure if people watching on computers versus the app experience this different. I'm betting the videos look way nicer on the editors computer.
Totally. When it comes to phone watching it doesn't make that much of a difference. Since I stare at screens a lot I always flick on 4k when I have good wifi. The main nice thing about the 8k is a reduction in compression and ability to zoom a bit more of your 360 video without getting too much blurriness. I don't see myself actually ever uploading in 8k.
Ski videos need 32-64K and a side of slaw. Pizza vs French fries, btw? I'm going to the hill. Wacthing the rest later gators.
Enjoy those turns
@@riseandalpine Enjoyed the turns. New skis felt mondo supremo. I ❤ Alpine skiing.
Looks like Whistler is going get pounded with snow over the next week. I look forward to the deep pow videos
Lot's of deep pow videos in the pipeline! Get stoked for Sunday's upload.
You need to get a boss ass camper van and sell…The truck!!! You seem soo much happier in that van. And it’s warmer! 😊hope this helps.
I couldn't afford buying my own, but for the time being Karma is helping me out which is just as good!
In 8k, the details are a little more crisp and noticeable.
I suspect a future 12k video resolution would just make details more crisper, and then, it doesn’t matter past that resolution. Past 12k would be overkill…
Totally! I think the biggest advantage is extra pixels for zooming and cropping since 360 footage was notoriously blurry for a long time
Invisible selfie stick still trips me out.
It's pretty whacky eh!
Totally bizarre and way cool. And I'm impressed with how you get down the mountain with one pole.
My ordi cant handle 8k during montage sadly. Also i dreamed of you with a cowboy hat for some reasons😅.
Hilarious! I like a good cowboy hat.
Sunshine got 15 cm overnight!!!!!!
It was deeeeep!
Sickkk!!! We've been getting buried in Whistler too. Lot's of pow videos incoming.
@ Woooooooooooo!!!
I actually prefer HDR - makes the TV feel closer to a window into a remote reality.
Interesting! Maybe I should shoot with it more? Sometimes I feel unsure about it in flat light conditions.
How tf pistes are soo empty? I can't imagine this in Europe 😒
Gotta love BC on the weekdays
Mouth mount? That just seems like a dangerous idea.
It is hella uncomfortable
NGL the 8k Camera looks mores crisp
I don't have a professional eye, but I kind of thought that too. Glad to know I might not be crazy.
8k looks nice but honestly I think it needs 60fps at least to get the most out of it!
To be honest I film all of the videos on this channel with 5.7k/30fps. Maybe I'll start mixing in more 60fps but since I don't run slo mo often it doesn't matter much to me.
@ it’s not too big of a deal I just like the smoothness of 60fps videos. The quality on your videos have always been spot on!
@@coookalo i like 30 fps. 60 fps is too smooth sometimes. Whats interesting tho is youtube makes 60fps videos have better quality so many people will export a 30 fps video in 60 fps (there will just be duplicate frames) and the video will have better quality after uploaded to youtube because of youtube compression
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@ ah the beauties of RUclips eh?
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Bro has retired whis😢 don’t blame you
I've been skiing pow all week. Don't you worry!
R&A - Love your videos.
However, I'm concerned about the mouth-mount apparatus and the long-term number it might do to your jaw. I would strongly encourage you to get an opinion from an orthodontist, or even just your dentist. I'm rather confident that with long-term use, with that much weight on your jaw (and especially compression weight), could really be doing you a serious disservice in the not-too-distant future.
If, after wearing it for one lap, it feels like you chewed about 12 packs of gum, that is not a good thing.
Just looking out for you, young man 😊.
Thanks for looking out for me! It feels horrible. To be honest, I only ever test it out in these review videos. The head cam is the daily driver!
Unfortunately, We aren't likely to see the difference on RUclips.
Totally. RUclips does a ton of compression. Only difference might be me being able to zoom and crop with the same 4k quality.
The 8k looks much better on my phone.
Sick! I thought it looked pretty sweet to.
LoL YouToob thinks I'm gonna watch ads or sign up for Premium...😆 Silly goofs
They have seemingly gotten more aggressive with ads. I reckon they are trying to push everyone into premium. Wouldn't be so bad if they actually paid creators fairly hahahaha
Private Resort for 1….. 😂
I love Sun Peaks!
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Thanks for being here!
Big white time
Back to Whistler for deep pow!