Had Freelanders for years and yes they aren't that reliable but everything is cheap and they are easy to work on. Boost pipes are common fail points especially the one coming from the intercooler to the intake and a common missed issue is the crankcase breather which if left will blow the turbo. You can get an upgraded vortex breather which future proofs it. Like others have commented I couldn't see a propshaft on there as the VCU and it's bearings sit lower than the exhaust so would have been visible in the video. You may discover that several windows aren't working, they are cable operated and the cables fail but new regulators are only £30 on ebay.
I get the impression that the Freelander would prove reliable over a long trip as long as you drove with a light foot, despite the intermittent management light. Enjoyable video.
we have had freelanders for the last 23 years nearly my wife has had hers a 1800 all that time I have had 2 td4 and yes if you have a turbo hose loose but i noticed the turbo hose along the front it is joined by a plastic pipe there should be a censor in between to two pipes , the prop is missing there are reasons they remove the prop 1 for fuel economy is a load of rubbish 2 it could be the hanger bearings are shot 3 trouble with the IRD and lastly the rear diff thanks for the video
This week I mostly enjoyed the blue Micra reverse detail. Loved it. Love all Chops videos. Who’d thought after a day in trade another day in trade another trader a good watch.
thats why its called a DISCO loves flashing it lights another great vid mate thanks looking forward to your next disco looks great and had a lot of cash spent on it over its mot life which should be good for you James
The only good thing about that Freelader is the engine, BMW M47. Bulletproof, turbo, injectors and timing chains are all generally reliable and no DPF,
That customer of mine bud who paid 2 k to that garage for that pug pump ect has broken down again, same symptoms, Garage won't do any more, all I can think now is rail sensor or injectors, or maybe ecu, code this time was pressure too high and its shut the pump down. I don't want to really do anymore as he's already crashed the car I loaned him.
Turbos on the exhaust manifold are at the back of the of the engine most the times..and It looks like it doesn’t have the prop shaft just by looking at the bolts stick out from underneath the car I think 🤔. And the bolts sticking out is where the prop bolt’s too.
I had the exact same thing on my Freelander - replaced the pipes and that didn’t solve it. Ended up moving it on but the next guy ended up putting a new turbo on it.
Never had a problem with my freelander 1. Bought it 4 years ago to use up the stables and mountain with the horses. No probs at all. Most expensive mot was the last one which cost me £240 to have new handbrake cables. BMW diesel 2.0 litre engine. Still got propshaft on and no issues
BMW sorted a lot of the early Freelander 1's terrible design flaws so that the petrol 1.8 is good enough, it was so good to get the British engineers out of the factory, they were such lazy good-for-nothings, always going on strike and taking long illnesses that meant they were never at work. BMW sorted the Freelander 1 no end but the Freelander 2 is not as good, it's a huge cumbersome beast of a car by comparison.
It didn’t look like the prop shaft was there to me, I think in the position of your video should have shown the two prop shaft bearings. It’s definitely not fitted under a cover. Best thing is to see if it’s bolted to the diff. It’s not so much the diff that causes a problem, it’s the viscous coupling gets stiff and the destroys the IRD (expensive), this also happens if you don’t change all 4 tyres at the same time and allow the fronts to get too worn relative to the rear. Prop shaft being present does not guarantee its four wheel drive. Many IRD re conditioners offered a recon service where the rear pinion drive gear was removed. You can not tell by looking underneath, to test for that you need to jack the rear up, if you can rotate a wheel it’s not four wheel drive. They were nice cars when running, but just far too many expensive and silly faults. Like the rear door window that has to drop a little to allow you to open the door.
It'll be interesting to know if it does have a propshaft ? I had a manual version for ten years and while it wasn't the most reliable, as not many owners maintain their cars as they should anymore, it was the best car that I've ever owned.
Propshaft off due to either centre bearing or knackered transfer box mate, I've had loads, first thing to do is look for the Propshaft, 2nd thing is to rev the boll**ks off it to check if it smokes or won't rev thru, ah well never mind mate, at least your sills are ok.
Chops, absolutely correct with what you say with 'We buy any car'; knocked me down £400 on an '18 Golf and then charge 'admin' fee on top! They told me they only make about £50 on each deal but, with their sales volumes of thousands of cars a week, it soon adds up. Have always found Evans Halshaw to be totally honest and they have always paid what they quoted online and without admin fees. Have just ordered a new T-Roc and, surprise, the VW dealer now also charges admin to cover the PX.
EGR will need a clean along with the inlet manifold. Turbo hose splits is a common problem. BMW Engine on these and there is a modified crankcase breather valve available. I’d say that the EGR is the culprit for the management light tho especially with it having high mileage ( 120k isn’t high for a Freelander when they have been fitted with a EGR delete ),I’ll guarantee that the egr and inlet is full of gunk . Lots of people remove the prop shaft for Fuel Economy reasons but some because of the VCU ( Bell engineering do recon units and probably do one cheaper for Trade ). Parts are Cheap( ish ) but it’s the Labour that costs a fortune and the reason a lot of these cars are scrapped. Fuel pump ( there are 2 ) one in o/s/r wheel arch ( low pressure) along with a water separator and fuel filter ( if fuel filter hasn’t been changed in a while it can restrict flow and mean engine management light when booting it will illuminate ). JGS 4x4 do the EGR delete( 5 minute job ). BMW CBV ( EBay ) 1 hour job. New Turbo hose ( Britpart ) or ( Rimmers ) 1 hour. Replacement Prop with centre bearings ( Bell Engineering or Scrap yard ). Some remove the prop because of a knock but that’s just the Diff bearings and they aren’t expensive or difficult to replace. Any questions feel free
Yet another 2wd freelander. These can be a huge problem if things go wrong in a bad way as they are technically a modified vehicle and need to be declared as such to insurers. Thankfully it is far easier to source the shafts for the 5 door than the 3 door. You need to sort out that flat on OSR tyre before fitting a prop, ideally 4 new identical tyres all round, as that is a primary cause of the problems. Front and rear need to be the same rolling diameter to within a very close margin. Smart owners even swap the tyres front to rear every few months to help the drivetrain and tyre sets last longer. I loved my mk1 facelift, gave me tens of thousands of miles of trouble-free motoring in the year or so I had it, and was a 1.8. Dirt cheap as people are still scared of that engine, despite the fact if it has lasted almost 20 years now, it is likely to be no more troublesome than any other engine of similar vintage if well cared for.
Lol, an old Land Rover with issues? Who ever heard of such a thing?😯 Do write in... Seriously, well done my friend, take on a car like that, you expect some bills. Doesn't mean the car is awful, more that it hasn't had TLC. Any luxury car (yes, a Freelander/Land Rover is luxury in the UK, don't pretend you live halfway up a mountain) needs some TLC. Put the money in to regular services and it will love you back.❤️
£700 too much. 350 too much. Scrap is £380 ish. This is a car that in the job/trade refuse to even open listing. I’ve had 20-25. They weren’t great back 08-13 when was buying them
My D3 is a 2004 iv'e had it for the past 6 years and would not part with it , you do have to like them to put up with running costs though 😅. I had a Freelander before that and as you probably found out with yours the biggest bug bear is the lack of up and down adjustment on the seats , my hair used to touch on the roof lol.
Hopefully an easy fix James and just a pipe and needs nothing else for mot,even after you have explained I'm detail what costs you incur and what profits you make someone will still say you make to much🙄,hope you enjoyed your busciuts 🤙👌👍
Really great channel this and should have far more subs than it does. I like the transparent insight into being a car dealer! A new camera might be worth investing in though?
A mate of mine keeps buying these for a bag of sand or less to go trekking. Every single time he just about makes it home, problems galore. Could always stick a tent on the roof like Mr Furious Driving
2wd Freelander 1. Removing the propshaft is usually associated with the phrase "for better fuel economy", but I can tell you that's absolute BS !. The IRD unit and/or viscous coupling were most likely shagged. Also, Land Rover never did a 2wd Freelander 1, (although they did do a rather limited run of 2wd Freelander 2) so removing the prop also means you lose 4wd and it's classed as a modification with possible safety issues and something that you'll need to tell your insurance about, although I suspect most don't. Mis-matching tyres are likely the culprit here. To reinstate the propshaft with a good VCU and IRD unit isn't cheap. Add to that what else needs doing to the vehicle and it'll potentially be more than it's worth. The MOT history isn't the best and to me seems indicative of someone who's run it on a budget, hence the possible VCU/IRD problems/missing propshaft. I've owned 5 Freelander 1. A gutless 1.8, a 2.5 V6 and 3 Td4. None of which had any of the problems your's has. The V6 and two of the TD4's were converted to rally cars. Knowing the reasons for certain failures is key to preventing them from happening. Owners with no clue are the reason the Freelander 1 has a bad reputation. They're not like other vehicles and need a vigilant owner who , rather than putting a sticking plaster on a problem in hopes of getting a few more miles out of it, actually rectifies the problem which will prevent further issues down the line. I loved all my Freelander 1, with the exception of the 1.8. Great fun to drive, easy enough to maintain.Would I have another ? Hell NO !! You'd be very hard pressed to find one that hasn't been run in to the ground. Plus I have my modified Freelander 2, i6 3.2 which is on a whole other level !
I agree that driving with the prop removed is not the brightest idea. Seen plenty advertised as "removed to improve fuel consumption", which is complete rubbish, as the diesel Freelander is remarkably good on fuel. Replacing the VCU is reasonably straightforward, and worth an afternoon under the darned thing as opposed to trying to control it on a greasy road with the rear end trying to go in a different direction to the front.
Prop removal is classed as 'non-standard modification', some insurance firms will not touch it, some will. If you don't declare it then your insurance will probably be invalid Plenty of info on Land Rover forums
rovers from this era still used a proprietary connector. Furious Driving has the answer to communicating with them, there's a company that can do it as well i believe. i think its something like p25 scan?
"m an Englishman who has been driving Land Rovers products for over twenty years and can honestly say there is no place more comfortable to be.... ....whilst waiting for a tow truck!"
The only people that get stung by land rovers are people who don't know how to look after them property. Never had big problems with any land rover that I've owned. Unlike the lump of junk for focus 12plate that was off the road more than it was ever on it and cost me £500 every time a mechanic opened the bonnet. Never again will I buy a modern car. My 04 plate td4 suites my needs and doesn't throw a hissy fit if I give it a bit of grief every now and again. Yes I've had EML and the three amigo's on the cluster but I did what was necessary and all was well again. As I have always said if you are looking for a car that won't give you problems then go to Smyth's toy store. They have got hundreds on the shelf. But even they will break at some point.
the problem with your business model is that old cars may be very cheap but the repair costs are very much 2022 with current labour charges and very expensive spares prices. So profit vapourises rapidly, especially when traders on RUclips compound the risks by buying unseen.
The VCU is a service item, it should be changed at 70k mile intervals. Nobody seems to bother and eventually it messes up the drive coming out of the gearbox. Not down to Land Rover more the customers fault.
I got legged up a bit bud on a 4x4 terrios this week, 06 plate, very tidy, 675 bid, so 750 with fees, mths test, when I checked it had failed on 1st Sept, badly, anyway I've worked thru it, welding and suchlike, rear brakes, bottom arm, anyway its done now, up at 1350,no calls, problem is 2006is a long time ago now, should have come for scrap money, but like yours they don't, then your customers want the world for 1300 quid.
Not surprised about the TopDon, they are not that great. Get an Autel instead. One trick is that you can go into OBDII mode (instead of manufacturer specific), it should always work. Not as detailed, but usable for major powertrain things....
Where's the Alfa Giuletta been lately? Last I heard you'd leant it out and were waiting to see if they picked up on the boost issue.. Did I miss something? If so not often that happens lol
You want to give scrap lads a miss mate, you've got a great rep, you don't want people posting that they've bought a car that was previously scrapped, especially now your selling very late cars, I did a similar thing 2011 and it's still on the Internet, it was unjustified as I sorted the car out, but s**t sticks, it just comes up like it was yesterday, when it all went wrong (court) ended up loosing about 2600,had sherrifs round, all because I bought off a dodgy guy, my feet didn't touch the floor.
Tbh bud I'd 795 it as spares or repairs, a farmer might go for it, you could end up with a turbo if it's not a split hose, then it's got no shaft on it, never mind the test work, I'd bail out, if possible, 99%of buyers will look for the prop and walk away, I had one and transfer box was stuffed, bit of money for content and a small drink on top, might get a DIY er land rover guy on it.
Engine is bullet proof high preasure pump can leak and the fuel pump likes to go other that that great car the electrics were better in the 04 then when they first came out
@@ChopsGarage with 500 quid you could fix pretty much most issues it could have I was just stating that 500 quid going to the government was pretty shit for both parties
@@bumfluffmcregor3730 yep but we pay vat on pretty much everything we buy in life. Only avoud it if you want to make your own clothes, shoes etc etc . The 500 you pay to get it fixed will be 100 vat.
@@ChopsGarage yeah I know but vat was paid when the car was new the must make more on vat from a car than it costs by the time it goes to the scrapyard
Seems a bit odd that a straight well loaded Freelander with recent tyres would effectively be sold for scrap if it only had a pipe leak. Got to be a margin in it but need to find all its issues. That Cactus 136K driving school car - now IMHO that is one to run away from. Your margin analysis excludes all your overheads like power, rent, consumables, bank charges, biscuits, etc.
Got an idea bud (maybe for both of us) just get say sub 90k miles, cheap tax little petrols, buy at auction, you'll have to pay the money tho, seems to be the easiest sales, sold a kia picanto last week, 46k,st away, no issues, no comebacks, did OK, turn everything else down, I've always said loads of different stuff but what with the problems we're getting it may be the best, look at those 2 land rovers I've got plus all the other nightmares, say no to diesels as hardly any run OK, just an idea xxx
Went through 2 of them. You can get a silicone upgrade. First went on M1 while towing a caravan. Some clown dad in a zafira was giving me grief for bringing a car out in an unsafe condition on motorway due to the smoke. There is no explaining to some morons. I had to patch it up with cling film and parcel tape to get home. Hopefully when he has an unexpected incident he gets the same grief from another loser.
Hi James, just a quick one. Thought you said Qashqai was sold for £4495? If so need to update your spreadsheet so you don’t overpay the VAT (shown as £4995)
It's the VCU's (Viscous Coupling Unit) that fail on them normally, which is why the prop gets removed as its an expensive fix. Also isn't the TD4 the BMW engine? Don't you need a MEMs code reader to read the Freelanders codes?
I am incredulous, that in 2022, a major garage still handwrites invoices! The time it must take, the amount of mistakes so easily made and the lack of technology, means that their accountant must be pulling their hair out doing the management accounts! Come on Moors, move with the times😂
I guess any garage that does mot’s, established for 207 years according to their website is not a ‘startup’! With hmrc now clamping down on vat registration etc, it would seem strange to handwrite your major source of revenue! Its do easy to miss hit a button on a calculator and under/overcharge?
Very interesting video nice looking freelander shame about the problems be careful about showing your credit card receipt as there are a lot of crooks about,..........😶🌫
@@rogermellie8068 Like all cars you get good and bad samples, but Freelanders have a bad reputation and you don't want to own one without a warranty, but when they get to this prce level it would be unlikely to be accepted for any cover. The Auto box fitted to the TD4 is nortorious for 4th gear issues, just google to see them.
@@c11yan They are not the solid landrovers that farmers ran into the ground. They are just an early form of SUV with off road capabilty, but are too soft to take any abuse.
@@Barbarapape you can’t retail 18 year old cars - anything over 8 years old is a bit iffy if can be genuinely retailed imo. But it’s business and if you can make margin! But typically you can’t really guarantee and cost effectively prep 18 year old cars.
Freelander? By far the worst vehicle I have ever owned. I bought a petrol manual new in 2004 and had three new engines during the warranty period. During my ownership nearly every major component was replaced including, gearbox, central transfer box, prop shaft, suspension and fuel pump. For the last three years it had an engine management light on it that Land Rover could not trace. There was another intermittent problem where the rear tailgate window would randomly wind down when the car was locked up & parked. I was on first name terms with my local AA guys and thank God for extended warranties.I traded it in back in 2010 with 70k miles on it. Never again.............
it is however a very versatile and sufficiently emotional vehicle. The only trouble I encountered was with the left front drive shaft that I had to replace twice and very soon for the third time! Watch this video where my FL1 did well! m.ruclips.net/video/4HlWUoTtWzM/видео.html
It's all down to how many centres are in the area. The tester I have been using for 10 years is still charging £35 as he was then, I commented on it and he said there's no point putting it up as there are so many centres doing it for that or much less
They bloody all do, its the intakes! I just found a £7000 receipt in my Disco for work a year ago, new DMF, Clutch, Electronic Handbrake, Cambelt, Water Pump, EGR! Mad
@@ChopsGarage it's a funny one the jag, cleaned out the dpf, it's a lot better now, but still goes into limp, coming up egr, but that's a big complicated item, can hear the timing chain and that's a nightmare job, took it to the auction but as its a cat s (from 2 years ago) they would only take it in at half cap clean, which is 4k (on a 16 plate with 96k) so that's a no go, so don't know what to do with it, we've done 6k in it so had some use, just shows cat cars aren't worth getting, paid 6k from copart, previous repair, 5k bid plus a grand in fees, bit of a pig in a wig tbh.
@@ChopsGarage yes bud, not heard from her for bang on 3.5 mths, purchase was 4 mths up to court papers, obviously I've offered to repair, refund at the time, I refused to go to the Isle of Wight, she's put a claim in for 4.5k,car was 3.7k
If you notice mate these cheap cars, micra etc aren't really working for you, your doing well with your later stuff but spending too much time on oldsters, with your skill set I'd be sticking to your 12 plates onwards, you can't really farm out work and warranty old stuff successfully.
Auto Freelanders are total crap !! Other dealer I know bought one at auction and it dropped into Hill Decent Mode at 70MPH and locked all the wheels !! Lad did well to keep it on the road !! K series engine as well NOT THE BEST !!
Had Freelanders for years and yes they aren't that reliable but everything is cheap and they are easy to work on. Boost pipes are common fail points especially the one coming from the intercooler to the intake and a common missed issue is the crankcase breather which if left will blow the turbo. You can get an upgraded vortex breather which future proofs it. Like others have commented I couldn't see a propshaft on there as the VCU and it's bearings sit lower than the exhaust so would have been visible in the video. You may discover that several windows aren't working, they are cable operated and the cables fail but new regulators are only £30 on ebay.
I get the impression that the Freelander would prove reliable over a long trip as long as you drove with a light foot, despite the intermittent management light. Enjoyable video.
It woukd you are right
we have had freelanders for the last 23 years nearly my wife has had hers a 1800 all that time I have had 2 td4 and yes if you have a turbo hose loose but i noticed the turbo hose along the front it is joined by a plastic pipe there should be a censor in between to two pipes , the prop is missing there are reasons they remove the prop 1 for fuel economy is a load of rubbish 2 it could be the hanger bearings are shot 3 trouble with the IRD and lastly the rear diff thanks for the video
This week I mostly enjoyed the blue Micra reverse detail. Loved it. Love all Chops videos. Who’d thought after a day in trade another day in trade another trader a good watch.
thats why its called a DISCO loves flashing it lights another great vid mate thanks looking forward to your next disco looks great and had a lot of cash spent on it over its mot life which should be good for you James
The only good thing about that Freelader is the engine, BMW M47. Bulletproof, turbo, injectors and timing chains are all generally reliable and no DPF,
That customer of mine bud who paid 2 k to that garage for that pug pump ect has broken down again, same symptoms, Garage won't do any more, all I can think now is rail sensor or injectors, or maybe ecu, code this time was pressure too high and its shut the pump down. I don't want to really do anymore as he's already crashed the car I loaned him.
Turbos on the exhaust manifold are at the back of the of the engine most the times..and It looks like it doesn’t have the prop shaft just by looking at the bolts stick out from underneath the car I think 🤔. And the bolts sticking out is where the prop bolt’s too.
I had one for just over 8 years and apart from the clutch going, I never had any issues with it at all.
I had the exact same thing on my Freelander - replaced the pipes and that didn’t solve it. Ended up moving it on but the next guy ended up putting a new turbo on it.
The aussies have a saying, if you want to go in the outback get a land rover, if you want to get home again, just get a toyota.
I heard that too! Many years ago in the car trade.
Anything with the word rover in it's name is usually pants
Did you hear about the aborigine who got a new boomerang……he went mad trying to get rid of the old one. boom boom lol 😝
@@mikeymike3240 😂😂like it.
My mates dog 🐶 is called rover , it always runs away and never comes back
I have a 2002 td4, still going strong... In the summer I remove the propshaft then install it back on for winter... saves wear and tear :)
Never had a problem with my freelander 1. Bought it 4 years ago to use up the stables and mountain with the horses. No probs at all. Most expensive mot was the last one which cost me £240 to have new handbrake cables. BMW diesel 2.0 litre engine. Still got propshaft on and no issues
BMW sorted a lot of the early Freelander 1's terrible design flaws so that the petrol 1.8 is good enough, it was so good to get the British engineers out of the factory, they were such lazy good-for-nothings, always going on strike and taking long illnesses that meant they were never at work. BMW sorted the Freelander 1 no end but the Freelander 2 is not as good, it's a huge cumbersome beast of a car by comparison.
It didn’t look like the prop shaft was there to me, I think in the position of your video should have shown the two prop shaft bearings. It’s definitely not fitted under a cover. Best thing is to see if it’s bolted to the diff. It’s not so much the diff that causes a problem, it’s the viscous coupling gets stiff and the destroys the IRD (expensive), this also happens if you don’t change all 4 tyres at the same time and allow the fronts to get too worn relative to the rear. Prop shaft being present does not guarantee its four wheel drive. Many IRD re conditioners offered a recon service where the rear pinion drive gear was removed. You can not tell by looking underneath, to test for that you need to jack the rear up, if you can rotate a wheel it’s not four wheel drive. They were nice cars when running, but just far too many expensive and silly faults. Like the rear door window that has to drop a little to allow you to open the door.
thankyou James another well informed video,itll be interesting to see moors diagnostic report,,👍👍
Thanks 👍
The only land / Range Rover to buy is a new one with full manufacturers warranty and then sell it before the warranty expires.
I had this model in manual, they have many faults, vcu, diff, door mechanism etc etc, but very reliable engine
It'll be interesting to know if it does have a propshaft ? I had a manual version for ten years and while it wasn't the most reliable, as not many owners maintain their cars as they should anymore, it was the best car that I've ever owned.
Propshaft off due to either centre bearing or knackered transfer box mate, I've had loads, first thing to do is look for the Propshaft, 2nd thing is to rev the boll**ks off it to check if it smokes or won't rev thru, ah well never mind mate, at least your sills are ok.
It is about time you got yourself a lift of some kind
We dug a pit years ago, made me a fortune.
We used to call them Land Rover Freeloaders. Whenever we got one we knew there was trouble on the horizon & a disturbance in the force!
Chops, absolutely correct with what you say with 'We buy any car'; knocked me down £400 on an '18 Golf and then charge 'admin' fee on top! They told me they only make about £50 on each deal but, with their sales volumes of thousands of cars a week, it soon adds up. Have always found Evans Halshaw to be totally honest and they have always paid what they quoted online and without admin fees. Have just ordered a new T-Roc and, surprise, the VW dealer now also charges admin to cover the PX.
No thats crazy!
Well first impression of the Discovery on the trailer looks really good! James!
Had 2, loved them, they both broke, cost much. 2010 Hyundai Santa Fe, still going, cheap to run.
EGR will need a clean along with the inlet manifold.
Turbo hose splits is a common problem.
BMW Engine on these and there is a modified crankcase breather valve available.
I’d say that the EGR is the culprit for the management light tho especially with it having high mileage ( 120k isn’t high for a Freelander when they have been fitted with a EGR delete ),I’ll guarantee that the egr and inlet is full of gunk .
Lots of people remove the prop shaft for Fuel Economy reasons but some because of the VCU ( Bell engineering do recon units and probably do one cheaper for Trade ).
Parts are Cheap( ish ) but it’s the Labour that costs a fortune and the reason a lot of these cars are scrapped.
Fuel pump ( there are 2 ) one in o/s/r wheel arch ( low pressure) along with a water separator and fuel filter ( if fuel filter hasn’t been changed in a while it can restrict flow and mean engine management light when booting it will illuminate ).
JGS 4x4 do the EGR delete( 5 minute job ).
BMW CBV ( EBay ) 1 hour job.
New Turbo hose ( Britpart ) or ( Rimmers ) 1 hour.
Replacement Prop with centre bearings ( Bell Engineering or Scrap yard ).
Some remove the prop because of a knock but that’s just the Diff bearings and they aren’t expensive or difficult to replace.
Any questions feel free
Thanks for the advice!
Really interesting to get to see the inner workings of a legit car dealer
Disco looks really straight at first sight!
Yet another 2wd freelander. These can be a huge problem if things go wrong in a bad way as they are technically a modified vehicle and need to be declared as such to insurers. Thankfully it is far easier to source the shafts for the 5 door than the 3 door. You need to sort out that flat on OSR tyre before fitting a prop, ideally 4 new identical tyres all round, as that is a primary cause of the problems. Front and rear need to be the same rolling diameter to within a very close margin. Smart owners even swap the tyres front to rear every few months to help the drivetrain and tyre sets last longer.
I loved my mk1 facelift, gave me tens of thousands of miles of trouble-free motoring in the year or so I had it, and was a 1.8. Dirt cheap as people are still scared of that engine, despite the fact if it has lasted almost 20 years now, it is likely to be no more troublesome than any other engine of similar vintage if well cared for.
What's the story with the red Fiesta, the white van and the black Renault Megane in the yard. Are they yours??
Lol, an old Land Rover with issues? Who ever heard of such a thing?😯 Do write in... Seriously, well done my friend, take on a car like that, you expect some bills. Doesn't mean the car is awful, more that it hasn't had TLC. Any luxury car (yes, a Freelander/Land Rover is luxury in the UK, don't pretend you live halfway up a mountain) needs some TLC. Put the money in to regular services and it will love you back.❤️
If it looks like a duck. Quacks like a duck.
£700 too much. 350 too much. Scrap is £380 ish. This is a car that in the job/trade refuse to even open listing. I’ve had 20-25. They weren’t great back 08-13 when was buying them
@@zzhughesd No, I've tried taking four adults across a ploughed field on a duck, frankly it didn't work. Ducks make terrible 4x4s...🦆Quack!
@@smoothmicra lol. Love it. Never thought about it this way. Bad duck. Only 1/100th of a HP
My D3 is a 2004 iv'e had it for the past 6 years and would not part with it , you do have to like them to put up with running costs though 😅. I had a Freelander before that and as you probably found out with yours the biggest bug bear is the lack of up and down adjustment on the seats , my hair used to touch on the roof lol.
Chops doesnt really have the hair problem
I love good old land rover freelanders are very cuz easy to work on and parts dead cheap fix as well
Hopefully an easy fix James and just a pipe and needs nothing else for mot,even after you have explained I'm detail what costs you incur and what profits you make someone will still say you make to much🙄,hope you enjoyed your busciuts 🤙👌👍
Really great channel this and should have far more subs than it does. I like the transparent insight into being a car dealer! A new camera might be worth investing in though?
A mate of mine keeps buying these for a bag of sand or less to go trekking. Every single time he just about makes it home, problems galore. Could always stick a tent on the roof like Mr Furious Driving
I hear that name alot must check it out
2wd Freelander 1. Removing the propshaft is usually associated with the phrase "for better fuel economy", but I can tell you that's absolute BS !. The IRD unit and/or viscous coupling were most likely shagged. Also, Land Rover never did a 2wd Freelander 1, (although they did do a rather limited run of 2wd Freelander 2) so removing the prop also means you lose 4wd and it's classed as a modification with possible safety issues and something that you'll need to tell your insurance about, although I suspect most don't. Mis-matching tyres are likely the culprit here. To reinstate the propshaft with a good VCU and IRD unit isn't cheap. Add to that what else needs doing to the vehicle and it'll potentially be more than it's worth. The MOT history isn't the best and to me seems indicative of someone who's run it on a budget, hence the possible VCU/IRD problems/missing propshaft.
I've owned 5 Freelander 1. A gutless 1.8, a 2.5 V6 and 3 Td4. None of which had any of the problems your's has. The V6 and two of the TD4's were converted to rally cars. Knowing the reasons for certain failures is key to preventing them from happening. Owners with no clue are the reason the Freelander 1 has a bad reputation. They're not like other vehicles and need a vigilant owner who , rather than putting a sticking plaster on a problem in hopes of getting a few more miles out of it, actually rectifies the problem which will prevent further issues down the line. I loved all my Freelander 1, with the exception of the 1.8. Great fun to drive, easy enough to maintain.Would I have another ? Hell NO !! You'd be very hard pressed to find one that hasn't been run in to the ground. Plus I have my modified Freelander 2, i6 3.2 which is on a whole other level !
I agree that driving with the prop removed is not the brightest idea. Seen plenty advertised as "removed to improve fuel consumption", which is complete rubbish, as the diesel Freelander is remarkably good on fuel. Replacing the VCU is reasonably straightforward, and worth an afternoon under the darned thing as opposed to trying to control it on a greasy road with the rear end trying to go in a different direction to the front.
Prop removal is classed as 'non-standard modification', some insurance firms will not touch it, some will. If you don't declare it then your insurance will probably be invalid
Plenty of info on Land Rover forums
Yeah the main tip being DON'T BUY A GAYLANDER! (as other Land Rover model owners call them) 😁
rovers from this era still used a proprietary connector. Furious Driving has the answer to communicating with them, there's a company that can do it as well i believe. i think its something like p25 scan?
The battery has been off at some point - which is why the stereo is asking for a code. Probably to clear the faults from the ECU.
Ha, ha yes bud, well spotted
Chops I would buy any more Discos or Freelanders they are more trouble than they are worth only sell back to the trade as seen
"m an Englishman who has been driving Land Rovers products for over twenty years and can honestly say there is no place more comfortable to be.... ....whilst waiting for a tow truck!"
The only people that get stung by land rovers are people who don't know how to look after them property.
Never had big problems with any land rover that I've owned. Unlike the lump of junk for focus 12plate that was off the road more than it was ever on it and cost me £500 every time a mechanic opened the bonnet. Never again will I buy a modern car. My 04 plate td4 suites my needs and doesn't throw a hissy fit if I give it a bit of grief every now and again.
Yes I've had EML and the three amigo's on the cluster but I did what was necessary and all was well again.
As I have always said if you are looking for a car that won't give you problems then go to Smyth's toy store. They have got hundreds on the shelf. But even they will break at some point.
They do paint and valleting at the auction bud, at Aston barclay they're doing smart repairs all the time on late stuff.
the problem with your business model is that old cars may be very cheap but the repair costs are very much 2022 with current labour charges and very expensive spares prices. So profit vapourises rapidly, especially when traders on RUclips compound the risks by buying unseen.
The VCU is a service item, it should be changed at 70k mile intervals.
Nobody seems to bother and eventually it messes up the drive coming out of the gearbox. Not down to Land Rover more the customers fault.
You shouldn't really show Moores invoice displaying there bank details
Not a surprise mate have you seen the latest contraptions from Land rover
Told you James……it’s a freelander…..free because all you can do is give them away ….😜💪👍🇮🇲
Why check the oil level in the rain, when you have two covered sheds to check it in the dry?
I got legged up a bit bud on a 4x4 terrios this week, 06 plate, very tidy, 675 bid, so 750 with fees, mths test, when I checked it had failed on 1st Sept, badly, anyway I've worked thru it, welding and suchlike, rear brakes, bottom arm, anyway its done now, up at 1350,no calls, problem is 2006is a long time ago now, should have come for scrap money, but like yours they don't, then your customers want the world for 1300 quid.
More great videos buddy , keep them coming ❤
Does it have a prop shaft and do all the electric windows work?? And 1 final thing does temp gauge get to half way or stay on a 1/4?
Not surprised about the TopDon, they are not that great. Get an Autel instead. One trick is that you can go into OBDII mode (instead of manufacturer specific), it should always work. Not as detailed, but usable for major powertrain things....
Where's the Alfa Giuletta been lately? Last I heard you'd leant it out and were waiting to see if they picked up on the boost issue.. Did I miss something? If so not often that happens lol
Seems more like dirty turbo vains or egr as it's interment if it was a boost pipe chances are it would be there all of the time👍🏼
Maybe you should grow some carrots chopper they wont need a warranty 🙃
You want to give scrap lads a miss mate, you've got a great rep, you don't want people posting that they've bought a car that was previously scrapped, especially now your selling very late cars, I did a similar thing 2011 and it's still on the Internet, it was unjustified as I sorted the car out, but s**t sticks, it just comes up like it was yesterday, when it all went wrong (court) ended up loosing about 2600,had sherrifs round, all because I bought off a dodgy guy, my feet didn't touch the floor.
Prop shafts are visible without looking too hard
Those prices from the garage are pretty damn good!
Matches and some petrol will fix it
Another interesting video 🚘🚙🚗⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍
Thank you 👍
I had a similar problem caused by a fuel pressure sensor.
Tbh bud I'd 795 it as spares or repairs, a farmer might go for it, you could end up with a turbo if it's not a split hose, then it's got no shaft on it, never mind the test work, I'd bail out, if possible, 99%of buyers will look for the prop and walk away, I had one and transfer box was stuffed, bit of money for content and a small drink on top, might get a DIY er land rover guy on it.
Engine is bullet proof high preasure pump can leak and the fuel pump likes to go other that that great car the electrics were better in the 04 then when they first came out
What a blind bid / buy … by us traders. We’d never be caught buying blind. Lol. Some of very best ( and worst ) buys as a Mole. Gotta laugh.
Definition of irony - the long advert in your vid is for Cinch 😂😂😂
Lol
Vat payment is crazy basically if u buy any car from a dealer your wasting a good percentage of your budget on vat as oppose to buying privately
Well its no wasted if you end uo having to pay out to bring the private car to the same standard or end up finding an issue you have 0 comeback on
@@ChopsGarage with 500 quid you could fix pretty much most issues it could have I was just stating that 500 quid going to the government was pretty shit for both parties
@@bumfluffmcregor3730 yep but we pay vat on pretty much everything we buy in life. Only avoud it if you want to make your own clothes, shoes etc etc . The 500 you pay to get it fixed will be 100 vat.
@@ChopsGarage yeah I know but vat was paid when the car was new the must make more on vat from a car than it costs by the time it goes to the scrapyard
Another great video, keep up the good work x
Thanks so much!
Yeh. Great videos chops.
Whats the white Renault panel van we keep seeing parked outside?
Seems a bit odd that a straight well loaded Freelander with recent tyres would effectively be sold for scrap if it only had a pipe leak. Got to be a margin in it but need to find all its issues. That Cactus 136K driving school car - now IMHO that is one to run away from. Your margin analysis excludes all your overheads like power, rent, consumables, bank charges, biscuits, etc.
Nice end to the video with the money pit showing up!
Got an idea bud (maybe for both of us) just get say sub 90k miles, cheap tax little petrols, buy at auction, you'll have to pay the money tho, seems to be the easiest sales, sold a kia picanto last week, 46k,st away, no issues, no comebacks, did OK, turn everything else down, I've always said loads of different stuff but what with the problems we're getting it may be the best, look at those 2 land rovers I've got plus all the other nightmares, say no to diesels as hardly any run OK, just an idea xxx
Just pocked up the Spark mate. Immaculate , 14k miles 2011 will be 3500 max and doubt any hassle. Id do that all day
@@ChopsGarage yes bud, I'm getting fed up with more complicated stuff, it's just when you like cars I suppose you like a go at all sorts.
Right hand side of engine short L shape pipe will be split underneath.
Went through 2 of them. You can get a silicone upgrade. First went on M1 while towing a caravan. Some clown dad in a zafira was giving me grief for bringing a car out in an unsafe condition on motorway due to the smoke. There is no explaining to some morons. I had to patch it up with cling film and parcel tape to get home. Hopefully when he has an unexpected incident he gets the same grief from another loser.
Hi James, just a quick one. Thought you said Qashqai was sold for £4495? If so need to update your spreadsheet so you don’t overpay the VAT (shown as £4995)
Oh you got me questing myself now lol ill go bk and check
No was 4995
Sorry I misheard, my wife says I do this all the time!
@@jamesnunn5688 pmsl mine too
Good luck with the Disco 😬😬🙏🙏
2 Landrovers… what were you thinking!!!
I know I must be paying for crimes in a previous life
One of em weeks where the buses just land in synchro. Oh no. A management light.
It's the VCU's (Viscous Coupling Unit) that fail on them normally, which is why the prop gets removed as its an expensive fix.
Also isn't the TD4 the BMW engine?
Don't you need a MEMs code reader to read the Freelanders codes?
I am incredulous, that in 2022, a major garage still handwrites invoices! The time it must take, the amount of mistakes so easily made and the lack of technology, means that their accountant must be pulling their hair out doing the management accounts! Come on Moors, move with the times😂
What do you class as major?
I guess any garage that does mot’s, established for 207 years according to their website is not a ‘startup’!
With hmrc now clamping down on vat registration etc, it would seem strange to handwrite your major source of revenue! Its do easy to miss hit a button on a calculator and under/overcharge?
Very interesting video nice looking freelander shame about the problems be careful about showing your credit card receipt as there are a lot of crooks about,..........😶🌫
Back of engine turbo sits pig of a job, change the oil breather to lifelong one, got blocked in my own and blow turbo
Don't retail the Freelander, it will bounce on you.
Let the other dealer have the hassle, reliability on them is woeful!
Not all of them, depends on model and how its been treat throughout its life
@@rogermellie8068 Like all cars you get good and bad samples, but Freelanders have a bad reputation
and you don't want to own one without a warranty, but when they get to this prce level it would be
unlikely to be accepted for any cover.
The Auto box fitted to the TD4 is nortorious for 4th gear issues, just google to see them.
@@Barbarapape agree you couldn’t really retail them 10 years ago - basically scrap with an mot nowadays
@@c11yan They are not the solid landrovers that farmers ran into the ground.
They are just an early form of SUV with off road capabilty, but are too soft to take any abuse.
@@Barbarapape you can’t retail 18 year old cars - anything over 8 years old is a bit iffy if can be genuinely retailed imo.
But it’s business and if you can make margin! But typically you can’t really guarantee and cost effectively prep 18 year old cars.
I wouldn't even name my dog Rover🤣
looks like you gave that garages bank details out on line :(
If it were sort code and account number all anyone can do is pay them lol!
thought this came in as PX against the Discovery??
No that was a different one
Freelander? By far the worst vehicle I have ever owned. I bought a petrol manual new in 2004 and had three new engines during the warranty period. During my ownership nearly every major component was replaced including, gearbox, central transfer box, prop shaft, suspension and fuel pump. For the last three years it had an engine management light on it that Land Rover could not trace. There was another intermittent problem where the rear tailgate window would randomly wind down when the car was locked up & parked. I was on first name terms with my local AA guys and thank God for extended warranties.I traded it in back in 2010 with 70k miles on it. Never again.............
I still find it amusing people are in denial of the land rover badge being anything but a pile of shit. And yes I have had them .
18 year old freeloader. What could possibly go wrong....
it is however a very versatile and sufficiently emotional vehicle. The only trouble I encountered was with the left front drive shaft that I had to replace twice and very soon for the third time! Watch this video where my FL1 did well! m.ruclips.net/video/4HlWUoTtWzM/видео.html
I pay less than 40 quid for an mot and I'm Joe public. Moors need to sort your mot prices out!
It's all down to how many centres are in the area. The tester I have been using for 10 years is still charging £35 as he was then, I commented on it and he said there's no point putting it up as there are so many centres doing it for that or much less
Trust me you don’t want to be putting a turbo on one of those if it needs one. bugger of a job.
I've just being driving around in a diesel jag mate, went into restricted performance (!)
They bloody all do, its the intakes! I just found a £7000 receipt in my Disco for work a year ago, new DMF, Clutch, Electronic Handbrake, Cambelt, Water Pump, EGR! Mad
@@ChopsGarage that's amazing bud
@@roystonvehicles9129 yeah but im sure still plenty could go wrong tempted to trade it out to 4x4 guy
@@ChopsGarage it's a funny one the jag, cleaned out the dpf, it's a lot better now, but still goes into limp, coming up egr, but that's a big complicated item, can hear the timing chain and that's a nightmare job, took it to the auction but as its a cat s (from 2 years ago) they would only take it in at half cap clean, which is 4k (on a 16 plate with 96k) so that's a no go, so don't know what to do with it, we've done 6k in it so had some use, just shows cat cars aren't worth getting, paid 6k from copart, previous repair, 5k bid plus a grand in fees, bit of a pig in a wig tbh.
@@ChopsGarage it's not got the prop on mate, sorry.
Enjoyable video
Glad you enjoyed it
matt @furious driving has one very similar,but with a dodgy box,
I'm well of LR products mate, I've got that court case on one and a 61 plate in limp mode, virtually 10k in 2 troublesome cars
Are you going to court?
@@ChopsGarage yes mate, got the papers last week, bet your jellous
@@roystonvehicles9129 you going to fight it
@@ChopsGarage yes bud, not heard from her for bang on 3.5 mths, purchase was 4 mths up to court papers, obviously I've offered to repair, refund at the time, I refused to go to the Isle of Wight, she's put a claim in for 4.5k,car was 3.7k
@@roystonvehicles9129 well we know whats fair but who knows what a judge will say
Another great video 👍
Cheers
You originally commented it was 3/4 full
I thought they pull the prop shaft for fuel economy too 🤔
Yes people do, but it's usually a knackered transfer box.
@@roystonvehicles9129 well you learn something new everyday lol
@@jasonhobbs5611 yes mate
As I recall; the freelander was considered unreliable, even by Land Rover standards. Which is really saying something.
They're turds.
Agreed lol
If you notice mate these cheap cars, micra etc aren't really working for you, your doing well with your later stuff but spending too much time on oldsters, with your skill set I'd be sticking to your 12 plates onwards, you can't really farm out work and warranty old stuff successfully.
Auto Freelanders are total crap !! Other dealer I know bought one at auction and it dropped into Hill Decent Mode at 70MPH and locked all the wheels !! Lad did well to keep it on the road !! K series engine as well NOT THE BEST !!
In south africa they arent cheap and the parts art cheap at all i can even buy me a secondhand one cx its to exspensive