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Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?: Marcus Borg's conclusion
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2018
- Marcus closes a debate about the resurrection of Jesus by explaining that to someone who walks with Jesus every day a debate about the historical events of whether or not the tomb of Jesus was empty is a distraction. Marcus also affirms how very seriously he takes the resurrection and its spiritual meaning.
Marcus Borg, we miss you so much!!! Your views are so brilliant and they have inspired my faith for years!! I just love to remember your beautiful way with words, your talks were truly “holy moments”!
To grasp Borg's answer, we have to understand his faith. His Christianity is not about blind, dogmatic belief in specific events. It is internalizing the teachings of Jesus - to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, forgive 70x7 times, to avoid greed and lust, etc. Borg argues for a Christianity based on what we do rather than believe. Whether or not Jesus literally rose from the dead should have no bearing on the mission - to love God and neighbor.
God is a metaphor for a mystery that is beyond all categories of human thought.
Yes! Thank you.
amen
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
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Every writer in the NT proclaims a physical resurrection. So I'd like to ask Borg why he thinks they felt it was important to proclaim such a resurrection. Does he think they were lying? Because it certainly doesn't look they are proclaiming a metaphor. If they are lying about it, or to be generous, mistaken, then where does this leave Christianity? Does it just become a fairy tale we tell ourselves so we can feel good? Does it become a vehicle for an essentially hollow church? Although I appreciate a lot of what Borg has to say, especially his critique of Anselm's atonement theory, I cannot go with him this far. Borg often compares Jesus to the Buddha. From his perspective, it makes sense: they are both important moral teachers, And that's it. He could throw the influential Stoics and Socrates in there as well. And can we have a "spiritual relation" with those people? Of course. But if that's all it is, to quote Flannery O'Connor, then to hell with it.
I have read Borg. Borg is straightforward, and his approach is different, but nowhere does he say that he believes the resurrection was a only fairy tale. Nor does Borg say Jesus is only a Great Teacher to him.
Yes, each of the gospel writers tell of the resurrection, and then they diverge about what happens next, and quickly end their books. Matthew says the arisen Jesus 1st appears to women, but John says to Mary; then Mark and Luke say he appears to the disciples, and John adds Thomas separately. Only Matthew says the tomb was guarded. So the writers diverge on who, where, when, and how they saw the arisen Jesus. Paul also retracts that women saw Jesus 1st. OK, but many faithful saw. And then the gospel writers end their stories. If these were fictional novels, then the writers come across as giving us a cliffhanger or ending without much resolution. Thankfully Luke continues the story with Acts and finally Paul hears the arisen Jesus too. Or did Paul see Jesus?? Both accounts exist. :) Basically, my faith doesn't hinge on these various versions or whether folks "literally" saw a physical Jesus after his death. Jesus' *life* was a living ministry -- practicing what he preached. Whatever happened, the early Christians were those moved to become baptized and evangelize about Jesus' teachings.
@@vap0rtranz , yes you are right about all of the variance in the gospels. So what is Jesus to Borg besides a minister and teacher? Does he believe in the resurrection? That’s one that can be answered yes or no. What bugs me about Borg is his refusal to answer-quite cagey Borg.
@@craigbernthal7388 @craigbernthal7388 Well nobody can speak for Borg or judge him, and he says some of his views here in the speech. That the resurrection is not folks imagining silly things that science now laughs at. The early Christians experienced this. So Borg, why not come out and say things directly? Well, John would answer with a 'feed my sheep' analogy, like he did post-Easter, Luke would answer that the Spirit filled people, etc. We don't get a simple, direct answer in language until the catholic Church Fathers centuries later and Borg is no Catholic :)
And there is the state of your heart. Were the miracles literal? Does it matter? Would you still live out the commands of Christ or not?
@@formerfundienowfree4235 of course. Just as I might live out Stoicism. But you are making my point. It places Christianity as one among a group of moral teachings, and nothing more.
No. Jesus did not rise from the dead.
Wrong. Jesus rose from the dead. Oh it's true.