If the "friends" from the first story thinks that Jon is manipulative/a red flag for learning ASL to learn how to communicate with op's brother, they should read the second story to see what a real red flag is about
I feel like one of the ‘friends’ likes her and doesn’t want her to sleep with her bf; therefore they banded together to tell her that the bf is a red flag. That or they haven’t lived long enough to know what a red flag is.
Story 1: In this SPECIFIC situation, Jon possibly being "obsessive and manipulative" is such a REACH. He shows literally no signs of that from this story. It would be different if he was acting like "see, I learned sign language for your brother, you have to love me indefinitely." but he isn't based on the story, L 'FRIENDS'
1st op's " friends " are obviously jealous because they know that the boyfriend is a walking green flag, so they try to manipulate op into dumping a perfectly good relationship to be just as miserable as them and/or will probably try to get the bf on their own side. Dump the friends, these are replacable.
0:05: Maybe her friends could be on to something, but the fact that Jon would take the time to learn sign language to communicate with OP's brother sounds like a green flag to me. Part of getting into a relationship is getting to know everything about a person, including getting to know their family, and Jon wanting to get to know Trev as well scores points with OP and her family. Sure, Jon may begin at some point to show a dark side later on, but her friends are expressing potential concern about the relationship. OP should just let this thing play out and go from there. 5:51: OP's husband's constantly threatening divorce indicates he never really loved her, and OP needs to just go ahead and "pull the trigger" and explore divorce proceedings.
"Be careful what you wish for" is the one quote that fits the second story perfectly. If someone in a relationship kept consistently saying over and over that they "want a divorce", eventually, that's exactly what they're going to get... A DIVORCE. Nobody with even an ounce of self-love and respect is going to put up with that nonsense, so of course, they're going to end things themselves.
The first story: If they’re in college, five months is enough time to know if this relationship is going somewhere. Maybe not whether or not they’ll get married, but you’d definitely know if he was looking for a hook up! Of course he’s doing stuff “so that she’ll like him”- that’s how you pursue someone you’re interested in!
1st story sounds like "crabs in a bucket". Her "friends" are jelly. As a man myself I can tell you that is a BF is willing to learn ALS, it's because he cares about her.
her friends sound like weirdos or are perhaps trying to break them up so they can try to get with him or something. anyway, she needs to drop them if they don't get it together because they're just trying to connect and be family. and the effort to learn ASL will take time. why wait to talk to someone, esp your partner's brother??? huhhhhh?
First story seems like thanks to romance a bromance has been made, and there's nothing wrong with that. Of course you want to be able to speak to your friend. There are all kinds of reasons why people learn languages. I've heard stories where people have become fluent in a second language all because their game console was set up in a different language and they didn't know how to change it. The reason I'm trying to become bilingual is because of a cartoon and because I'm really bad at languages. I'm trying to prove to myself that I can do it. Sometimes we just gotta climb that mountain and see what's on the other side. I think friendship is a pretty good reason and of course a good chance for him to communicate with his GF in another way. They could talk meters aways from each other and that's pretty cool.
dude...wtf is wrong with the friends, especially the guy friend...they/he's the red flag, not the bf! Kyutie, you are right, they are projecting and trashy! The guy friend is a big red flag...The bf is actually being a good bf! he obviously cares for OP and her family! story two is just stressful! like; run OP, run! That's emotional and psychological abuse! Do this for you and stand up for yourself girl! that whole tactic is to make you feel guilty for having will power and pride!
Story 1: Those aren't your friends. Drop them and keep the boyfriend! Story 2: It's actually 2 guys but yes, he made the right choice. His soon to be ex husband sounds emotionally abusive and I sincerely hope that he finds someone better.
For story one, it really sounds like her close friends just want to date her lol. Like how is it a red flag to want to be on good terms with your partner’s family??
2:57 the guy best friend wants OP, no doubt abt it, and has banded the rest of the friends together in trying to break up OP and Jon (a walking green flag according to the story), OP will lose her friend group, but they arent her friends, she can find better people for friends
Second story, speaking about learning psychology thru SM, I've seen a few videos that talk about the people that pick a fight with you when you're on your way to a party. "During a huge fight while driving to a good friend's wedding, he told me that he wanted a divorce. *Was almost giddy about it*. So wedding ruined for OP. "telling me I don't actually feel the way I feel and it's just to make him feel bad (...) that he knows me better than I know myself" Dude, run!
Like what other people have said, I think the guy friend likes her and possibly had the other friends help him out to sway the OP and get with her instead. Either that or I assumed the other friends have trust issues themselves and are projecting their own trauma or paranoia onto OP’s relationship. Or maybe their own love lives aren’t going well and they don’t like OP being happy when they’re not??
1st story....OP does that friend group of yours KNOW or have learned ASL to communicate with your brother? because if not all i'm hearing is their red flag behavior of being petty jealous envious that a guy OP knew for a bit over 5 months tried to learn ASL between 2 separate visit with her family, which if her high school group that's has had to at least known each other/ OP for over a year hasn't tried to learn ASL means their remarks are their own guilty conscious kicking in and their plainly shifting self-hatred to Jon.
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First story: The so-called friends are idiots. John sounds like a great guy. Dump the idiots. The guy who is suspicious of John probably has unrequited feelings for her. Second story: He repeatedly asked for it, now he has it. He should be happy. It sounds like he was manipulating her into doing it first. That way he can say it wasn't his fault.
First story: dump the friends!!! How is it manipulative to learn ASL to communicate with your S.O.'s deaf family member? That's a huge win, Jon cares about op and wants to be close with her family. Also, the close guy friend is the one that wants to hook up with op but Jon is in the way so he's trying to break them up. Second story: THIS IS MANIPULATION HERE!!! Husband is too emotionally immature to actually talk things out so he threatens divorce to silence op, it's absolutely disgusting and emotionally draining. If he's going to continue threatening divorce, might as well make his wish come true.
First story, the wrong people are learning psychology thru SM. It's true that Love Bombing is A Thing, but if there aren't other issues, if he's not over-compensating for some flaw, OP shouldn't break up with Jon. It sounds like madness: "Found a really nice guy, I'm gonna dump him." Also, great point about OP's friends (maybe) not learning ASL even though they've been friends for many years.
How are you doing sweetie? How are you feeling? I hope just great!! In the very first story, it's a very wonderful thing that the main protagonist's boyfriend is trying to learn sign language so that he can interact and better communicate with her deaf brother. Her friends are really the weird and creepy ones because for starters do they even know sign language? Are they even interested in learning it? She should just completely ditch her friends and get some new ones who actually care. In the second story, the main protagonist should just file for the divorce for good this time and just move on because it's very obvious to see that their relationship/ marriage has ran it's course and unfortunately there's just no more happiness there anymore. I love you so much!! Have a great day!! Stay safe beautiful!!
drop the friends cause its a good thing that op's partner took the initiative to learn asl to communicate with her brother. in fact, i dont see anything red flag abt him learning asl. if anything, i feel like either one of her friends (probably her closest guy friend that told her that her partner is a red flag) have a crush on op and are teaming together to break op's relationship apart so that her friend can claim her OR they are just jealous that op has a good partner.
Story 1: Personally think her "friends" assumptions are a drastic reach, and they are not friends but the one's being truly toxic and manipulative projecting their own BS. That said, the only plausible reason I can think of that's doesn't assume the worst of her "friends" is that they honestly believe that the BF is "too good to be true" OR "too good for you". Problem with that though is that it actually reinforces just how toxic they truly are even with themselves, if they aren't even willing to try being open-minded and offer any benefit of the doubt or don't think she truly deserve to have someone putting in that exceptional amount of effort(like the bare minimum is the best there is or the best you deserve). Dafuq 🤦♀
Story 1. Yes, there are a lot of flags with Jon. THEY’RE ALL GREEN AF!!! I appreciate that OP’s friends are doing the cautious thing, but Jon’s efforts to communicate with All of OP’s family members is commendable, as well as his respecting her personal boundaries. I think perhaps OP’s guy friend is a bit jelly. If OP is reading this, Jon’s a keeper, don’t let this one go without cause! Story 2. 😂😂😂 Welcome to the opposite of Story 1! 😂😂😂 That’s some gross manipulation there, and it’s sad that it took OP this long to finally understand that he will never stop doing this bs. He wants a divorce? Ok.
First story: op needs to run from this " friends" they have been around since highschool and have not learned at least a bit Sign language? That is a red flag!
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If the first girl actually listens to her friends about Jon, she might as well not be in a relationship. If anything Trev and Jon should get together cause the bromance is real.
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If the "friends" from the first story thinks that Jon is manipulative/a red flag for learning ASL to learn how to communicate with op's brother, they should read the second story to see what a real red flag is about
I think the "friend" is jealous of Jon.
They're just mad she's got such an amazing guy.
story 1: fellas, is it a red flag/manipulative to learn asl to communicate with your partner's family? no, but seriously, what are her friends on?
Imo the friends are the red flags
Friend has a crush on her.
Jealousy
I feel like one of the ‘friends’ likes her and doesn’t want her to sleep with her bf; therefore they banded together to tell her that the bf is a red flag. That or they haven’t lived long enough to know what a red flag is.
Story 1: In this SPECIFIC situation, Jon possibly being "obsessive and manipulative" is such a REACH. He shows literally no signs of that from this story. It would be different if he was acting like "see, I learned sign language for your brother, you have to love me indefinitely." but he isn't based on the story, L 'FRIENDS'
Story 1: Sounds like the guy friend wants to get with OP.
Since when was it manipulative to make friends and learn a language to communicate with someone?
Story 1 = Toxic Friends that are manipulating her. Learning sign language is in no way a red flag at all.
"He treats you great, your family loves him, and he's learning ASL to connect with your brother? Dump him, girl."
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1st op's " friends " are obviously jealous because they know that the boyfriend is a walking green flag, so they try to manipulate op into dumping a perfectly good relationship to be just as miserable as them and/or will probably try to get the bf on their own side. Dump the friends, these are replacable.
0:05: Maybe her friends could be on to something, but the fact that Jon would take the time to learn sign language to communicate with OP's brother sounds like a green flag to me. Part of getting into a relationship is getting to know everything about a person, including getting to know their family, and Jon wanting to get to know Trev as well scores points with OP and her family. Sure, Jon may begin at some point to show a dark side later on, but her friends are expressing potential concern about the relationship. OP should just let this thing play out and go from there.
5:51: OP's husband's constantly threatening divorce indicates he never really loved her, and OP needs to just go ahead and "pull the trigger" and explore divorce proceedings.
"Be careful what you wish for" is the one quote that fits the second story perfectly. If someone in a relationship kept consistently saying over and over that they "want a divorce", eventually, that's exactly what they're going to get... A DIVORCE. Nobody with even an ounce of self-love and respect is going to put up with that nonsense, so of course, they're going to end things themselves.
Some single women hate seeing other women and their friends in happy relationships and they are the ones manipulating her to think bad about her bf
#1. They are jealous of your relationship. #2. It was a manipulative maneuver to keep her in line.
The first story: If they’re in college, five months is enough time to know if this relationship is going somewhere. Maybe not whether or not they’ll get married, but you’d definitely know if he was looking for a hook up! Of course he’s doing stuff “so that she’ll like him”- that’s how you pursue someone you’re interested in!
1st story sounds like "crabs in a bucket". Her "friends" are jelly. As a man myself I can tell you that is a BF is willing to learn ALS, it's because he cares about her.
her friends sound like weirdos or are perhaps trying to break them up so they can try to get with him or something. anyway, she needs to drop them if they don't get it together because they're just trying to connect and be family. and the effort to learn ASL will take time. why wait to talk to someone, esp your partner's brother??? huhhhhh?
First story seems like thanks to romance a bromance has been made, and there's nothing wrong with that. Of course you want to be able to speak to your friend. There are all kinds of reasons why people learn languages. I've heard stories where people have become fluent in a second language all because their game console was set up in a different language and they didn't know how to change it. The reason I'm trying to become bilingual is because of a cartoon and because I'm really bad at languages. I'm trying to prove to myself that I can do it. Sometimes we just gotta climb that mountain and see what's on the other side. I think friendship is a pretty good reason and of course a good chance for him to communicate with his GF in another way. They could talk meters aways from each other and that's pretty cool.
dude...wtf is wrong with the friends, especially the guy friend...they/he's the red flag, not the bf! Kyutie, you are right, they are projecting and trashy! The guy friend is a big red flag...The bf is actually being a good bf! he obviously cares for OP and her family!
story two is just stressful! like; run OP, run! That's emotional and psychological abuse! Do this for you and stand up for yourself girl! that whole tactic is to make you feel guilty for having will power and pride!
Story 1: Those aren't your friends. Drop them and keep the boyfriend!
Story 2: It's actually 2 guys but yes, he made the right choice. His soon to be ex husband sounds emotionally abusive and I sincerely hope that he finds someone better.
For story one, it really sounds like her close friends just want to date her lol. Like how is it a red flag to want to be on good terms with your partner’s family??
2:57 the guy best friend wants OP, no doubt abt it, and has banded the rest of the friends together in trying to break up OP and Jon (a walking green flag according to the story), OP will lose her friend group, but they arent her friends, she can find better people for friends
Second story, speaking about learning psychology thru SM, I've seen a few videos that talk about the people that pick a fight with you when you're on your way to a party.
"During a huge fight while driving to a good friend's wedding, he told me that he wanted a divorce. *Was almost giddy about it*.
So wedding ruined for OP.
"telling me I don't actually feel the way I feel and it's just to make him feel bad (...) that he knows me better than I know myself" Dude, run!
Like what other people have said, I think the guy friend likes her and possibly had the other friends help him out to sway the OP and get with her instead. Either that or I assumed the other friends have trust issues themselves and are projecting their own trauma or paranoia onto OP’s relationship. Or maybe their own love lives aren’t going well and they don’t like OP being happy when they’re not??
1st story....OP does that friend group of yours KNOW or have learned ASL to communicate with your brother?
because if not all i'm hearing is their red flag behavior of being petty jealous envious that a guy OP knew for a bit over 5 months tried to learn ASL between 2 separate visit with her family, which if her high school group that's has had to at least known each other/ OP for over a year hasn't tried to learn ASL means their remarks are their own guilty conscious kicking in and their plainly shifting self-hatred to Jon.
At 8:14 , thats so true! Do what youre Heart desires. That was NICEly said by Kyutie.
And First Story: I think the Friends are jealous or something, If I was the girl, I would not follow their instructions.
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First story: The so-called friends are idiots. John sounds like a great guy. Dump the idiots. The guy who is suspicious of John probably has unrequited feelings for her. Second story: He repeatedly asked for it, now he has it. He should be happy. It sounds like he was manipulating her into doing it first. That way he can say it wasn't his fault.
First story: dump the friends!!! How is it manipulative to learn ASL to communicate with your S.O.'s deaf family member? That's a huge win, Jon cares about op and wants to be close with her family. Also, the close guy friend is the one that wants to hook up with op but Jon is in the way so he's trying to break them up.
Second story: THIS IS MANIPULATION HERE!!! Husband is too emotionally immature to actually talk things out so he threatens divorce to silence op, it's absolutely disgusting and emotionally draining. If he's going to continue threatening divorce, might as well make his wish come true.
First story, the wrong people are learning psychology thru SM.
It's true that Love Bombing is A Thing, but if there aren't other issues, if he's not over-compensating for some flaw, OP shouldn't break up with Jon. It sounds like madness: "Found a really nice guy, I'm gonna dump him." Also, great point about OP's friends (maybe) not learning ASL even though they've been friends for many years.
How are you doing sweetie? How are you feeling? I hope just great!! In the very first story, it's a very wonderful thing that the main protagonist's boyfriend is trying to learn sign language so that he can interact and better communicate with her deaf brother. Her friends are really the weird and creepy ones because for starters do they even know sign language? Are they even interested in learning it? She should just completely ditch her friends and get some new ones who actually care. In the second story, the main protagonist should just file for the divorce for good this time and just move on because it's very obvious to see that their relationship/ marriage has ran it's course and unfortunately there's just no more happiness there anymore. I love you so much!! Have a great day!! Stay safe beautiful!!
Sign Language should be taught in school, I would have preferred that over trying to learn German.
drop the friends cause its a good thing that op's partner took the initiative to learn asl to communicate with her brother. in fact, i dont see anything red flag abt him learning asl.
if anything, i feel like either one of her friends (probably her closest guy friend that told her that her partner is a red flag) have a crush on op and are teaming together to break op's relationship apart so that her friend can claim her OR they are just jealous that op has a good partner.
Story 1: Personally think her "friends" assumptions are a drastic reach, and they are not friends but the one's being truly toxic and manipulative projecting their own BS.
That said, the only plausible reason I can think of that's doesn't assume the worst of her "friends" is that they honestly believe that the BF is "too good to be true" OR "too good for you". Problem with that though is that it actually reinforces just how toxic they truly are even with themselves, if they aren't even willing to try being open-minded and offer any benefit of the doubt or don't think she truly deserve to have someone putting in that exceptional amount of effort(like the bare minimum is the best there is or the best you deserve).
Dafuq 🤦♀
Here's a second opinion, keep the boyfriend, drop the friends.
Break up with your friends. They are jealous. Jon sounds like a keeper.
the first story reminds me of the anime A Sign of Affection lmaooo
Story 1. Yes, there are a lot of flags with Jon.
THEY’RE ALL GREEN AF!!!
I appreciate that OP’s friends are doing the cautious thing, but Jon’s efforts to communicate with All of OP’s family members is commendable, as well as his respecting her personal boundaries.
I think perhaps OP’s guy friend is a bit jelly.
If OP is reading this, Jon’s a keeper, don’t let this one go without cause!
Story 2. 😂😂😂 Welcome to the opposite of Story 1! 😂😂😂
That’s some gross manipulation there, and it’s sad that it took OP this long to finally understand that he will never stop doing this bs.
He wants a divorce? Ok.
Story 1- The friends are the red flags
First story: op needs to run from this " friends" they have been around since highschool and have not learned at least a bit Sign language? That is a red flag!
1st story...
Jon is definitely a keeper. She needs to get rid of the guy friends from high school like ASAP. Wish her & Jon the best.
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If the first girl actually listens to her friends about Jon, she might as well not be in a relationship. If anything Trev and Jon should get together cause the bromance is real.
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