Greetings, I really appreciate the remarkable effort in your video, really impeccable. However, just with the intention of contributing, I would like to leave my opinion: To determine the amount of bleach that neutralizes citric acid we must use the molar and convert grams to moles using schiometry, we must also convert the moles of acid to grams. In that order, The molar mass of citric acid is 192.124g / mol The molar mass of NaoH is 40g / mol The molar mass of Koh is 56.1g / mol The schiometry is looks like this: 1g NaoH x 1mol / 40 x 1mol acid / 3mol NaoH X 192.12g /mol=1.6g citric acid Under the previous foundation, the correct formula to determine how much caustic soda reacts with citric acid should apply the following formula: (Weight of citric acid) / 1.6 = NaoH to add. Thus, in a formulation that contains 1000g of oil, and you decide to use 2% citric acid, the calculation would be as follows: To calculate the amount of A. Citrus. 1000x 0.2 = 20g A. Citrus To calculate extra caustic soda. 20 g / 1.6 = 12.5 g extra soda Thus, 10g of AC react with 6.25g of soda 20g of AC react with 12.6g of soda 30g of AC react with 18.75g of soda Regarding your video, I would like to know why you say that 1g of AC reacts with 0.571g of soda? Thank you very much for posting your videos. They are excellent.
@@michellemartinez9941 Why are you so hostile? This commenter is right, the correct amount of extra lye needed is 6.24-6.25g per 10g of citric acid. Yes, they used a difficult looking formula, but that goes to show how much goes into this. Soap-making is a science. You need science to understand it. It is likely using the video’s measurements cant hurt, though:) But don’t be so negative just because you can’t understand it.
@@michellemartinez9941 Bro you're gonna get mad at science? Literally everything you enjoy in your idiot modern life revolves around science and people knowing "calculus, biology or whatever the hell". That comment was purely for SAFETY of people who make and use soap. Soap making is a CHEMICAL reaction, which is something called CHEMISTRY. Learn to control your emotions and not get mad at people actually knowing what they're doing, you could learn from them.
This is the first video I have watched from your channel. I like the fact you have covered all the points about using citric acid in CP soaps. Very informative and interesting.
@@SueandSoap citric acid is black mold, it’s time we be truthful and healthier and educate one another. Who ever don’t believe go search citric acid online if you Like black mold by all means enjoy your black mold 🤷♀️
I use citric acid at 1% in my soap to help with soap scum. Our water is very hard and the scum was visibly clogging our shower! I use a 50/50 lye solution and dissolve the citric acid in the rest of my water before combining it with the masterbatch solution. I choose not to add extra lye because at just 1%, it doesn't make a noticeable difference. I've seen about a 50% reduction in scum in the shower drain.
That is great! I still have some bars without citric acid and the soap scum they produce is annoying. 1% is really not that much if you make a bigger batch. I only make smaller batches and then 1% can increase the lye discount very much, so I always add the extra NaOH.
Thank you so much, Sue & Soap that you have this computation of how much to add citric acid and knowing what amount of lye should be added. It was a very kind of help to a beginner like me. Thank you, ma'am...
Thankyou so much for this in depth guide to using citric….I’ve been using it at 2% to oils and adjusting the lye but I don’t think enough! Great video x
Thank you for sharing. I've made a soap with citric acid and then added the extra lye too. I have a few more weeks to test it out as its still curing. What I wanted to ask is , if i don't add extra lye and have the superfat set as 0 , what will the superfat end up being if i add 10 g citric acid to the soap batter ? Thanks
That's really interesting! , but just looking at your video I don't really feel comfortable about doing it myself because I didn't really understand how will it affect the making process... From your experience, does it affect trace? What does it do to the color of the soap? Does it play well with EO's? I would really like to hear your thoughts on this because I liked the video and I think you do a good job presenting your point of view
Thank you very much! 😃 I didn't notice any effects on trace or color. I don't have experiences with essential oils, I only use fragrance oils. But also with that I didn't notice any problems. Because of the hard water we have I use it in all of my soaps. It works great without any negative aspects. You only have to be careful when you add it to the lye solution because the reaction will create a lot of heat and it starts boiling with a lot of fumes when you don't keep it cool.
Thank you for the information. Others always say increase lye but never say how much extra we will need. Agaian tahnk you so much. Question can citric acid be add to rebatch soap or rebaych so that was lye heavy? Thank You
Yes and no. I'm not quite sure about this PH thing. All I read about that is not very clear and unspecific about citric acid and the effects on PH in cold process soap. As far as I know it doesn't really have an effect on cold process soap, but it works well for liquid soapmaking. I need to do more research on PH in cold process.
It won't lower the pH in cold process. After it reacts with the lye, it is no longer an acid. I think that if you put a lot of it in hot process after the cook, it might work. But it may also have unintended consequences.
By adding the citric acid straight to the sodium hydroxide, we remove the threat of introducing Hydrogen ions to conflict with the hydrophilic heads - ultimately reducing its cleaning ability correct? At first glance I thought adding citric acid is a bad idea for soaps efficacy BUT by adding straight to NaOH to make the citrate - this keeps the final pH safely in the basic range
Hey there, I'm wondering why soap makers add citric acid to their shampoo bars. Is it because the scalp is more acidic than the rest of our skin? Or is there another reason?
why noone is using vinegar? Citric acid is causing soap bar to be less hard while vinegar doesn't? Is there any reason why not to use vinegar? It is also easy to buy in every grocery store and much cheaper
You didn't cover how to add it to the soap when making it - I saw you mix it in water and use ice to mix the lye with water. When did you add the citric acid solution to the soap?
Thx for the video and explanation!! One question , though, does adding sodium citrate have the same effect (without increasing the amount of NaOh)? Thx again! And greetings from Argentina. :)
I want to be able to market my soaps as all-natural and I'm not sure if I can do that if they contain citric acid. Though I have seen a brand of citric acid that was labeled as all-natural and was derived from fruits and vegetables so maybe it just depends on the type of citric acid.
So we cannot add the citric acid solution in trace?we only can add this to the kye solution...citric acid neutralizes luquid soap and lowers the ph does it work the same way here?will it be helpful to add this to a sampoo bar instead of the vinegar rinse? Thank you...
I think it would also work adding the citric acid later but I would not do that because citric acid and Sodium Hydroxide react very intense and also the reaction would add a lot of heat to the soap batter. I did not test the ph but as far as I know it does not have a big impact on the ph in cp soap. The vinegar rinse is more intense on your hair than the sodium citrate in soap. You could make a tiny test batch of hair soap with citric acid and just try it without the vinegar rinse and see how it works for your hair. I don't think that using citric acid in hair soap can replace the vinegar rinse but it will help a bit.
Hi Sue, thank so much for the video. I have a question please. Since citric acid will turn into sodium citrate, will it work if I just add sodium citrate to the water instead? If it is possible, do I add NaOH to compensate as if with citric acid? Thanks so much...
If I use 1% citric acid of total 1000g of oil + 5% super fat, I will be adding 5.71 g NaOH, so how much super fat still remains after adding the additional NaOH? Should I increase the super fat?
It's still 5%. If you add NaOH to compensate the Citric Acid your amount of super fat stays the same. You only increase it when you don't add extra NaOH.
Lemon only has 4 to 5% citric acid in it. If you would want to use lemon juice you would need a lot of it in order to have the same effect as pure citric acid.
When you use Citric Acid it reacts with Sodium Hydroxide to Sodium Citrate. According to Kevin Dunn Sodium Citrate doesn't help with dos. What it does is that it binds metals like calcium or copper which may be present as impurities in tap water or caustic soda. So when you use tab water instead of distilled water for soap making you might have a problem with dos as these metals support the building of dos in soap. In this case adding Citric Acid or Sodium Citrate would help to prevent dos.
@@Naturalsoaprecipes if you want to use tap water for soap making, it is better to boil it before using it. But even if you boil it, there will still be some impurities left. Better use disitilled water for soap making.
You are the only person to state 10g of citric acid consumes 5.17g of lye every single article forum or video states 10g of citric acid consumes 6.24 of lye. Why is your answer different?
Usually if you buy citric acid it comes as monohydrate. This means that 8.57% of your crystalline acid is in fact water. For the unlikely case you've got pure citric acid, you would need 6,24g of NaOH to consume 10g of your acid. But if you got the monohydrate form of the acid, 10 g of it will only contain 9.143 g pure citric acid. With my calculations, you need 5.71 g of NaOH to consume 10 grams of the citric acid monohydrate. I bet Sue did calculate this too and unfortunatly got transposed digits :). I hope this helps!
When I add citric acid to my distilled water, dissolve and then add my lye (plus extra) stir to dissolve then wait for it to cool down, it starts to look icy, like it’s crystallizing and at the bottom it’s like a slushy consistency. Have you ever experienced that and/or know why that is happening?
Greetings, I really appreciate the remarkable effort in your video, really impeccable.
However, just with the intention of contributing, I would like to leave my opinion:
To determine the amount of bleach that neutralizes citric acid we must use the molar and convert grams to moles using schiometry, we must also convert the moles of acid to grams.
In that order,
The molar mass of citric acid is 192.124g / mol
The molar mass of NaoH is 40g / mol
The molar mass of Koh is 56.1g / mol
The schiometry is looks like this:
1g NaoH x 1mol / 40 x 1mol acid / 3mol NaoH X 192.12g /mol=1.6g citric acid
Under the previous foundation, the correct formula to determine how much caustic soda reacts with citric acid should apply the following formula: (Weight of citric acid) / 1.6 = NaoH to add.
Thus, in a formulation that contains 1000g of oil, and you decide to use 2% citric acid, the calculation would be as follows:
To calculate the amount of A. Citrus.
1000x 0.2 = 20g A. Citrus
To calculate extra caustic soda.
20 g / 1.6 = 12.5 g extra soda
Thus,
10g of AC react with 6.25g of soda
20g of AC react with 12.6g of soda
30g of AC react with 18.75g of soda
Regarding your video, I would like to know why you say that 1g of AC reacts with 0.571g of soda?
Thank you very much for posting your videos. They are excellent.
We’re not in calculus, biology or whatever the hell you put on here! Get off this page!
@@michellemartinez9941 Why are you so hostile? This commenter is right, the correct amount of extra lye needed is 6.24-6.25g per 10g of citric acid. Yes, they used a difficult looking formula, but that goes to show how much goes into this. Soap-making is a science. You need science to understand it. It is likely using the video’s measurements cant hurt, though:) But don’t be so negative just because you can’t understand it.
this is a very informative comment.thank you very much for this.
@@michellemartinez9941 Bro you're gonna get mad at science? Literally everything you enjoy in your idiot modern life revolves around science and people knowing "calculus, biology or whatever the hell". That comment was purely for SAFETY of people who make and use soap. Soap making is a CHEMICAL reaction, which is something called CHEMISTRY. Learn to control your emotions and not get mad at people actually knowing what they're doing, you could learn from them.
Thank you for this! I was wondering where she got her numbers.
Thank you. Very clear and simple here. Thanks for sharing.
Wow! This video is super complete. This is exactly what I needed before starting to use Citric Acid in my soaps. Thank you so much!💖🌸
This is the first video I have watched from your channel. I like the fact you have covered all the points about using citric acid in CP soaps. Very informative and interesting.
Thank you! I'm always happy when my videos are helpful. 😀
@@SueandSoap citric acid is black mold, it’s time we be truthful and healthier and educate one another. Who ever don’t believe go search citric acid online if you
Like black mold by all means enjoy your black mold 🤷♀️
I use citric acid at 1% in my soap to help with soap scum. Our water is very hard and the scum was visibly clogging our shower! I use a 50/50 lye solution and dissolve the citric acid in the rest of my water before combining it with the masterbatch solution. I choose not to add extra lye because at just 1%, it doesn't make a noticeable difference. I've seen about a 50% reduction in scum in the shower drain.
That is great! I still have some bars without citric acid and the soap scum they produce is annoying. 1% is really not that much if you make a bigger batch. I only make smaller batches and then 1% can increase the lye discount very much, so I always add the extra NaOH.
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Thank you 😃
Thank you so much, Sue & Soap that you have this computation of how much to add citric acid and knowing what amount of lye should be added. It was a very kind of help to a beginner like me. Thank you, ma'am...
Thanks, very informative ❤
Thankyou so much for this in depth guide to using citric….I’ve been using it at 2% to oils and adjusting the lye but I don’t think enough! Great video x
thank you for the clarification and the need to use...
Very good video. Short and concise! Very informative.
Explained like a BOSS! Danke!!! 😁
Thank you, you explained it so well… thanks again
Amei sua explicação. Mas minha dúvida é quando você diz água dura (pelo tradutor Google) seria tipo uma água da torneira mais ou menos isso ? 🇧🇷
Thank you so much. You were my solution. Thanks once again.
That thumbnail looks so nice! Just like the whole video
Thank you! ❤️
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Thanks so much, video is so interesting and helpful
Informative, thank you for sharing
EXCELLENT. Thank you. I’m a newbie to your channel but not for long! -Momo
Thank you for sharing. I've made a soap with citric acid and then added the extra lye too. I have a few more weeks to test it out as its still curing.
What I wanted to ask is , if i don't add extra lye and have the superfat set as 0 , what will the superfat end up being if i add 10 g citric acid to the soap batter ?
Thanks
thank you very much for this video very helpful.
thank you, very helpful
That's really interesting! , but just looking at your video I don't really feel comfortable about doing it myself because I didn't really understand how will it affect the making process... From your experience, does it affect trace? What does it do to the color of the soap? Does it play well with EO's?
I would really like to hear your thoughts on this because I liked the video and I think you do a good job presenting your point of view
Thank you very much! 😃 I didn't notice any effects on trace or color. I don't have experiences with essential oils, I only use fragrance oils. But also with that I didn't notice any problems. Because of the hard water we have I use it in all of my soaps. It works great without any negative aspects. You only have to be careful when you add it to the lye solution because the reaction will create a lot of heat and it starts boiling with a lot of fumes when you don't keep it cool.
Amazing explanation thank you. Just One question please. At what temperature does the water need to be to add just the citric acid?
You need to dissolve the citric acid in water, room temperature works fine for that.
Thank you for the information. Others always say increase lye but never say how much extra we will need. Agaian tahnk you so much.
Question can citric acid be add to rebatch soap or rebaych so that was lye heavy? Thank You
Thank you very much for your video, very useful.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice to know! I heard citric acid is also used to reduce soap PH level. Interesting
Yes and no. I'm not quite sure about this PH thing. All I read about that is not very clear and unspecific about citric acid and the effects on PH in cold process soap. As far as I know it doesn't really have an effect on cold process soap, but it works well for liquid soapmaking. I need to do more research on PH in cold process.
It won't lower the pH in cold process. After it reacts with the lye, it is no longer an acid. I think that if you put a lot of it in hot process after the cook, it might work. But it may also have unintended consequences.
@@clarewhite3004 this is a good point. Thank you for your comment!
Isn’t it easier to just use sodium citrate to begin with so you don’t have to recalculate your lye?
Yes, that's what I do. It's so much easier!
By adding the citric acid straight to the sodium hydroxide, we remove the threat of introducing Hydrogen ions to conflict with the hydrophilic heads - ultimately reducing its cleaning ability correct?
At first glance I thought adding citric acid is a bad idea for soaps efficacy BUT by adding straight to NaOH to make the citrate - this keeps the final pH safely in the basic range
Sue, do u recommend Citric Acid or Sodium Lactate which is better, I want it as natural as possible for eczema skin
I think it is 6.246g of NaOH for 10 grams of citric acid.
Hey there, I'm wondering why soap makers add citric acid to their shampoo bars. Is it because the scalp is more acidic than the rest of our skin? Or is there another reason?
How about KOH?, how much KOH can added if i using citric acid?
why noone is using vinegar? Citric acid is causing soap bar to be less hard while vinegar doesn't? Is there any reason why not to use vinegar? It is also easy to buy in every grocery store and much cheaper
Thanks, in this case do we need lowering the superfat to zero
Hi Sue, Is it possible to add the dissolved Citric Acid to the oils vs the Lye solution?
So, I will not need to use witch hazel, I can use citric acid 👍RIGHT?
thanks for this vedio just one q i want to dont use ani chimecal ingrideant ,is there any nutural ingrideant instead of chemicall ingrideant
Can you add citric acid to a cold processed salt soap that is about 40% salt to oils in the soap?
How can we add liquid lactic acid 80% in cold process soap?
Can i dilute citric acid with fruit juice if that's my liquid for the CP soap?
You didn't cover how to add it to the soap when making it - I saw you mix it in water and use ice to mix the lye with water. When did you add the citric acid solution to the soap?
It's in the lye solution...
Water amount?
Hi, may I ask is other acidy ingredients such as lemon juice/pH 3 liquid extract from food etc work as citric acid too? Thanks you.
Thx for the video and explanation!! One question , though, does adding sodium citrate have the same effect (without increasing the amount of NaOh)?
Thx again! And greetings from Argentina. :)
Yes, adding sodium citrate should work too! But I never tried it myself.
I want to be able to market my soaps as all-natural and I'm not sure if I can do that if they contain citric acid. Though I have seen a brand of citric acid that was labeled as all-natural and was derived from fruits and vegetables so maybe it just depends on the type of citric acid.
The lye we use isnt technically natural so I tread lightly on how you market it
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So we cannot add the citric acid solution in trace?we only can add this to the kye solution...citric acid neutralizes luquid soap and lowers the ph does it work the same way here?will it be helpful to add this to a sampoo bar instead of the vinegar rinse? Thank you...
I think it would also work adding the citric acid later but I would not do that because citric acid and Sodium Hydroxide react very intense and also the reaction would add a lot of heat to the soap batter. I did not test the ph but as far as I know it does not have a big impact on the ph in cp soap. The vinegar rinse is more intense on your hair than the sodium citrate in soap. You could make a tiny test batch of hair soap with citric acid and just try it without the vinegar rinse and see how it works for your hair. I don't think that using citric acid in hair soap can replace the vinegar rinse but it will help a bit.
Hi Sue, thank so much for the video. I have a question please. Since citric acid will turn into sodium citrate, will it work if I just add sodium citrate to the water instead? If it is possible, do I add NaOH to compensate as if with citric acid? Thanks so much...
I didn't try it, but you can use sodium citrate!
@@SueandSoap Thanks for the answer.
@@SueandSoap Thank you.
Can't we bring down ph to 6-7 without citric acid.
Did you go to school 😮
@@NansambaGrace-nk1eh why do you want to go to school now?
Is that soap gives a citric smell at last?
No, you don't smell the citric acid
If I use 1% citric acid of total 1000g of oil + 5% super fat, I will be adding 5.71 g NaOH, so how much super fat still remains after adding the additional NaOH? Should I increase the super fat?
It's still 5%. If you add NaOH to compensate the Citric Acid your amount of super fat stays the same. You only increase it when you don't add extra NaOH.
Can you just add lemon or lime instead of citric acid?
Lemon only has 4 to 5% citric acid in it. If you would want to use lemon juice you would need a lot of it in order to have the same effect as pure citric acid.
Wouldn't this help with dreaded orange spots?
When you use Citric Acid it reacts with Sodium Hydroxide to Sodium Citrate. According to Kevin Dunn Sodium Citrate doesn't help with dos. What it does is that it binds metals like calcium or copper which may be present as impurities in tap water or caustic soda. So when you use tab water instead of distilled water for soap making you might have a problem with dos as these metals support the building of dos in soap. In this case adding Citric Acid or Sodium Citrate would help to prevent dos.
@@SueandSoap so would boiling tap water First help with removing metals from water?
@@Naturalsoaprecipes if you want to use tap water for soap making, it is better to boil it before using it. But even if you boil it, there will still be some impurities left. Better use disitilled water for soap making.
@@SueandSoap thank you so much for your amazing informative replies 🙏🙏
@@Naturalsoaprecipes Glad I could help 🙂
Also watch this video if you wonder about pH in cp soap and citric acid to lower it ruclips.net/video/U7y1FT0z7gU/видео.html
2:05 When you make what kind of soap, you can go to 5% ?
Hair soap. Special soap only made for washing your hair.
You are the only person to state 10g of citric acid consumes 5.17g of lye every single article forum or video states 10g of citric acid consumes 6.24 of lye. Why is your answer different?
Usually if you buy citric acid it comes as monohydrate.
This means that 8.57% of your crystalline acid is in fact water.
For the unlikely case you've got pure citric acid, you would need 6,24g of NaOH to consume 10g of your acid.
But if you got the monohydrate form of the acid, 10 g of it will only contain
9.143 g pure citric acid.
With my calculations, you need 5.71 g of NaOH to consume 10 grams of the citric acid monohydrate.
I bet Sue did calculate this too and unfortunatly got transposed digits :).
I hope this helps!
When I add citric acid to my distilled water, dissolve and then add my lye (plus extra) stir to dissolve then wait for it to cool down, it starts to look icy, like it’s crystallizing and at the bottom it’s like a slushy consistency. Have you ever experienced that and/or know why that is happening?
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