Makita vs Dewalt & Flex!!! Brand New XPH16 vs Top Competition
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2023
- Makita announced their new compact hammer drill late last year and it's finally here. But How does it compare against the top tools from its competition. I compare against DeWalt and Flex in this head to head show down!
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Judging a drill only on a speed of a single fastener/hole is a mistake.
Where's the tools efficiency / longevity in this? How many bolts of each type can a tool drive on a single charge? What is the tool's / battery's temperature during and after a heavy duty cycle? How fast does it cool down? What about its ruggedness and resistance to damage from impacts? Does it hold the axis of rotation or does it wobble the drill / how much? What's the clutch characteristics, does it stop easily on low torque or does it strip the fastener/hole because too much torque is applied? etc.
If we judge a tool solely on a single test of speed it's like claiming Usain Bolt is the best athlete - he's the best sprinter, but that's just one of many athletic disciplines. To win such a skewed competition a tool just has to draw as much current as possible regardless of shortening its duty cycle. This is not the single most important metric user's use - tool's longevity and overall performance is that matters in the long run.
I often hear Makita power tools have great customer service how would that compare to DeWalt? I am no expert but between Makita and DeWalt I've seen seen both last long compared to what Milwaukee is putting out currently with all of there overheating issues. Both DeWalt and Makita have tools that have outlasted their own batteries. Just my 2 cents.
Honestly in real life no one is going to notice the differences
If you are just using one drill, you are correct they all seem relatively good. But I can tell you from using each of them there is a difference.
Great review Mr Tinker.
I really appreciated you taking the time after the cutout, to step them all down a gear and continue the timing as though you didn't stop. Very impressed.
I was pretty surprised to see such a difference in the powerstack times, though that little one is just a joy to have full power in such a small footprint
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Thanks again champ
Yeah the more modern battery technologies do make a difference in how the tools perform. Thanks for the support!
If you were working with all 3 on a jobsite that required a shitload of drilling, like recently I installed cable deck railings and drilled around 250 holes to run the cables. I used the XGT version that’s really massive but never felt any fatigue due to the ergonomics and how buttery smooth that makita trigger is, the quality shows the more you use it alongside the others.
I appreciate the input!
I will always take smoothness over an extra quarter second of performance.
If you screw in 100 things in a day, you saved a whopping 30 seconds.
I agree with your conclusion, it is the most "torquey" but I expected a bit more power for the weight. That probably helps with durability and smoothness as you said yourself though.
I am sure it will be on sale often enough.
Great review as always 👍
Thanks. A discounted version of this would help but i think more likely we will see it tool only with a free battery.
Would’ve been good to see some masonry drilling comparisons of the hammer function.
Great Video. They are All great drills , I would just go with the one on your favorite platform but if your not on any of these platforms I'd personally go with the DeWalt it's a Great Platform and they are always having some Great Sales I have never paid for a DeWalt Battery and I own about 15 batteries. .... 👍🖖
Thanks. Yeah there isn’t a bad drill here. Just one that I prefer to use more.
Fantastic video as always and helped me reaffirm my decision not to add this Makita to the collection. Side note, I’m actually leaving St. George and moving up to northern Montana on Thursday and will be building my own cabin. Can’t wait to put my tools to work like they were intended.
That’s awesome man! Living the dream!
@@TinkerWithTools Will be sad to leave Utah, it’s time to stop dreaming and start doing.
That’s a great way to live your life man!
Ever considered documenting the build? I would definitely be interested in following along with that, congratulations on the new chapter, I would love to do a similar thing. Working twords that for my family and myself, everyday brings me closer or that's the plan anyways 😏
@@The_Big_G thanks for the kind words. My job keeps me very busy. So it will end up taking me at least three years to build out the cabin and so I unfortunately I won’t have time to document it. Keep working on the dream and you will get there. All the hard work you put into making the dream happen will make it so much more rewarding once it comes to fruition! Good luck!!
Was using the dcd 800 for the past 2 days on solid wood tables. The fine control is not as great as my makita but the light weight makes up for it. Like you said Makita needs to come out with new battery tech. That powerstack 1.7 with dcd800 was god send to my wrist. Makita with powerstack type battery would be perfect.
Is the grinding sound normal on dewalt drills? It makes a grinding noise at low speed for second. No grinding sound at high rpm. I was predrilling holes for bases and brackets. I like to low speed the drill to get center on screw holes before i ramp the rpm.
I haven’t noticed any grinding noise on either the 800 or the 805.
Makita seems to really dismiss the compact format. You can see it in their 12 volt series and here in the LXT 18 volt.
As to why they came out with it, especially with no new tech batteries. Your guess is as good as mine. Hope they can skim some of the XGT budgeted engineering staff over to the LXT side. Loved their subcompact line. Just got the recipro at HD was on clearance for $85. Nice unit!
Have the DCD 800 with the 350 impact driver. Came in a bundle from HD around Black Friday last year. What a combination! It's starting to give me "Yellow" fever again! Enjoyed the ride.....
Yeah Makitas stuff is nice to use and they have certain tools that really are top notch in my opinion but then they have other releases that I don’t I understand.
Also the only way to treat yellow fever is with more yellow!
Maybe next test you can add Milwaukee M18 2904-20 gen 4, so the choices will be more power tools to choose... Good work Mr. Tinker 👌🏼😁
Yeah I didn’t include it simply because it’s in such a different power class. Milwaukee doesn’t make a compact premium option like the other brands simply because their premium option is compact.
What do you think about if you compared that three to bosch. Gsb 18v 1330?
The 1330 is a bigger and much more powerful drill. On smaller stuff they might seem similar in power but I would eventually run away with it. It’s close in power to the 975 but that is still the size of the 1330. So it’s about 1” longer and fair bit heavier.
I confess that I buy Makita products because I like the color..: )
xph14 with stacked lithium would be crazy. or the 40v version.
I keep hoping we will get that some day?
What’s the difference between the XFD16z and the XPH16? Which would you recommend?
The XFD is going to be a drill driver only where the XPH16 is a hammer drill, capable of drill in masonry or concrete. That should be the only difference. As a recommendation then it will depend on if you have a need to drill into masonry or concrete. If you do go with the XPH.
@@TinkerWithTools I already have a corded hammer drill. But if cost is taken out of the equation would it be better to get the XPH since it has more capabilities? Is the drill part the same as the XFD?
Yes. They are the same in power level. This isn't the top tier of the cordless hammer drills (that being the XPH14) so the while it is capable for smaller stuff, the corded hammer drill probably pack a bigger punch. Typically on more full sized drills, I choose the hammer drill option just because the cost difference is usually negligible, but on something more compact (like Makita's sub compact stuff) I go drill driver only. This rides a strange middle ground where it's more powerful than a lot of the stuff from even 5 years ago, but it's not their top of the line.
Makita is probably for the carpenter, or machinist who wants to drill precise holes.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 really? The precision is in the hands of the operator with hand tools.
@Tinker With Tools An interesting and fair comparison of the competitors involved! As a DeWALT user, I am pleased that the "DCD805" performed so well!
What about long-term durability?
Definiltely something to consider. In my time owning both brands I have had to warranty one drill and nothing from Dewalt but that's hardly a sufficient sample size to prove anything.
@@TinkerWithTools Good day. And what drill do you return under warranty?
I still wish that makita was more compact for what it is.
Agreed.
This Man is the Deal! 😃 😂👍✌
Thanks George!
As a Makita person I'm disappointed in seeing most of their technology head to the XGT, especially since it costs a fortune, even on eBay where you can get some reasonably priced XGT tools, the batteries are far too expensive.
All that said, Makita has a ton of products in their 18 volt line, and so do I, meaning I'm not switching brands easily, although Flex has me curious, they just don't have enough products, not even close considering Milwaukee seemingly has no issue with bringing out a new M-18 tool monthly. Even Ridgid I think has brought out more than Flex in the past two years.
Flex will continue to grow in my opinion but even with lots of cash it will take time to build out the kind of lineup you see with LXT, M18 or DEWALT 20v
dewalt nimber one
Is it true that Makita tools last the longest and have the best build quality over tools such as DeWalt, Flex, and
Milwaukee?
I think that for the most part, many companies make a quality product that will last for most people. I have had tools go bad on all of these brands at one time or another, so now company is immune. That being said, different companies have better or easier repairability than some companies. Milwaukee for example often doesn't sell individual parts that make it hard to repair a broken tool in a cost effective way. Some companies (especially on older tools) make it pretty easy to maintain your tools. There are a lot of good resources out there like Dean Doherty for example that can help see which companies tools are more serviceable.
Makita DF002 vs Dewalt & Flex& Makita XPH16
Makita DF002 vs Makita XPH16
If i am not mistaken that is the compact XGT. I thought about getting it but just haven’t committed yet.
I got a killer deal on dcd805 and I love it, I leave my dcd999 at home unless I know I'm setting anchors or small batch mixing concrete, my 805 does 85% of what I need on the job site. I had been wanting to purchase the 805 for a while but waited for a deal and I'm so glad I did, it's a bargain at retail already, short of not having a aux handle (essentially defeating the compact size of the unit) there's nothing I find myself wanting from this tool that it doesn't have, very well built, capable and compact tool. I don't even use my M12 fuel gen 3 drill or impact driver on jobs anymore unless I have to run self tappers in confined area or something, the dcf840 and dcd805 have completely filled the role those tools had in my day to day work. I also run WH36DC Hikoki bolt triple hammer for the more nuanced applications when I need a tool smarter than myself. Great content as always Taylor, look forward to the next one.
I feel like the 800/805 is the pound for pound champion of the drill world right now.
@@TinkerWithTools I would agree 👍
I actually chose the flex! if you look at the number's, warranty and price it's the clear winner here #1Flex 🏆. $99.00 kit better charger stacked lithium options 🎉 👏👏👏 best bang for your buck hands down!! What's the weight difference between the two? Makita this drill just doesn't make sense I've seen lxt patents on stack lithium batteries so sooner or later Makita will have stacked lithium batteries.
I want to see an abuse test. Exposure to water, heat, and cold. Also want to drop the drills with drill bits in them directly onto wood and concrete. I have done this with my budget DeWalt impact and it did fail once after 7 years. I took it apart cleaned out the mud and it continues to work
When it’s $99 it’s hard to be the value. Even at $179 it’s a decent value.
@@donaldstepp4850 buy them do the test lol
Maybe when I get ready to retire a few impacts we will come up with a torture test.
Really like DeWalt as I put my dewalts through hell. Rain snow, hot conditions. I run DeWalt and Milwaukee. I did have a Makita but someone stole it. So I sold my Makita charger and battery and was able to buy a DeWalt impact and keep some change
I don’t love the 996/998/999 size drill but they do seem rugged. The 800/805 though is a really compact lightweight option that still seems decently tough. It’s a real sweet spot.
@@TinkerWithToolshow bout the 995 dude? What u think of that Dewalt drill??
995 is a generation older than the 996. So that makes it over 10 years old at this point. I’m sure when it was released was a great deal but with a few generations since then I think money would be better spent on a newer model. But if it’s one you already have one and it works I’m sure like most drills from DEWALT it’s well made.
$359 for the LXT Kit….. I’ll just leave it at that. That Dewalt was gettin it👌. But if you can grab that Flex kit for $99🫡. Always a pleasure brother🤘
Yeah. The kit is a bit rich. But you can still the the same drill with an impact for like $329. No clue why they priced the drill alone they high.
@@TinkerWithTools the drill and impact kit for $329 is a lot more appealing. Every time I see you use that Dewalt though man…. I don’t need a hammer drill but I think I might have to try that 800 out. For its size to power ratio👌👌👌
I love that drill.
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Good morning AMERICA!!! With the birth of Jesus Christ and our salvation. . I have a question that will relate to Makita 489. And the question is this. Are the jaws of the Makita keyless drill chuck, which are used to clamp bits or other drilling tools, hardened and do they not wear out over time? Because here in Lithuania, you have seen Makita 486 chuck jaws on one of the store stands, worn, in other words, the part with rounded ends where there are two small ribs on the jaws, which are used to press the drills. So now I'm thinking if it won't be the same with the Makita 489 with time, it won't wear out. And to the same. And in the same store, I saw a Bosch gsb 18v 150c, which in America is called bosch 1330, and the drill nozzles with which the drills are pressed seemed to me to be of higher quality than the makita 486. P.S Please forgive me for my English (Google Translator).
I am trying to see which model the 489 relates to in the US lineup. If it’s the XPH16 like I suspect then I believe it has the same chuck as the XPH14 which I think is the 486. So I would be surprised if they are any different. Hopefully that helps but let me know if I didn’t understand. Thanks for commenting.
@@TinkerWithTools Yes it is the XPH16 (dhp 489 in Europe)
So then yes, they appear to have the same chuck.
dewalt claimed 90 newton meters
Thanks for sharing that. That puts it just above the flex in this group.