The community as a whole benefits from the few who stand above and beyond putting their passion into the series. The ability to test input lag as a feature is insanely useful as well as having the adapter be preconfigured to be automatically overclocked to 1k hz. It is amazing the quality you have created! It is already out of stock withing 20 minutes so I will have to wait another day but it will be worth the wait.
this was a surprisingly fascinating video that covered a whole lot. very excited for your ultimate project now that you have an adapter that actually works properly. thank you for what you've done for smash
I was aware of RNG present around perfectly evenly spaced inputs, but I didn't know the extent of it or how it changes based on the adapter used. Actually fascinating work. Thank you Arte!
Hey no, it's tax compliance. Ever since Brexit the UK requires EU people to charge UK VAT and pay them through a UK fiscal account, which it turns out is particularly difficult to obtain (need to send physical forms whose contents make no sense). On top of that there is no clear rule or infrastructure regarding double taxation of VAT (or so I can gather from the fact the french IRS doesn't answer any question on the matter), so I don't even know what I should do there, aside from not having put the time to be able to do anything. That may happen, but in the meantime, the short story is: Brexit fucked up everything wrt international sales, I can't ship there
@@SSBMArteim not interested in competitive smash.. i just wanna know if i can play n64 and dolphin emulator games with this...cause my computer hates zadzig and the driver installation process
Can you please explain how to do settings? ALL I want is to swap Z/X in options. Half the time it works. Half the time it doesnt work. Half the time it doesnt detect controller inside slippi (but shows inputs inside the lossless adapter). And when I reset it is like Im holding the down button constantly. I dont understand the settings at all, its very confusing. Is it defaulting to tournament mode where x/z swap is disabled? How do I just DELETE tournament mode? I wish there was just a button I could press to swap z/x on all 4 controllers.
Hey, you can configure profiles for programs. A mode is a program-profile pair. 'Tournament mode' is the nickname for the first pre-configured mode, Switch/Dolphin with the default profile ("") and is the one mode you can't delete. To swap X/Z, you need to configure a profile for the Switch/Dolphin program, and set up "X actuates Z" and "Z actuates X" in the app. Then, you need to add a mode with the Switch/Dolphin program and the profile you just created (use the "Add associated mode" button shortcut for that) and launch it. To set-up swapping X and Z at a press of the adapter button, you need to set up 2 modes, one with the remapping, one without, and both with an override of what the adapter button does to launch the other mode. To set-up this override, since you can't use the 'Reboot into first mode with program' option at that would be the first mode ("tournament mode"), use "Reboot to mode at index" option, and have both mode point at each other. If anything doesn't work, please dm me on Discord or Twitter and we'll work through it. Half the time it doesn't detect inputs in Slippi > probably due to the adapter being claimed by the configuration app, the half time it doesn't work. Unclaim it in the input viewer (/ close the app) before launching Slippi.
Looks incredible just have three Questions. 1. Does it work on the Wii U? 2. When its plugged in the PC. Does the PC recognize it as four Xinput controllers immedietly? Or does it only register an Xinput when the controller is plugged in? 3. Does it work with the Wavebird controllers?
1. Yes but there are some issues with the rumble I haven't investigated yet 2. Yes, it recognizes 4 XInput controllers immediately. There's also a profile option to have it only spoof 1 controller, as seeing 4 bothers some games. 3. I don't know.
Hey Julien. I'd be curious to know how controllers with your pico firmware like OF1 rivals in terms of input delay or other boxes. Also why not make an adapter for USB controller like the Pro? Is it because it wouldn't work or not enough people interested? Anyway cheers man, love your work.
Hey Bastien, My Pico firmware has ~4.1ms of input delay on Ultimate & ~0.6 on Slippi/PC (using the same method/definitions as the charts in the video). Other digital controller firmwares are at best as fast, I don't know how much. As for USB controllers, I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but if you mean a USB middleman that reduces lag, that's a whole other piece of cake. I'm aware the Pro controllers have Bluetooth interference issues at tournaments and that their wired mode is awful, so it would be really really nice if a device that made the USB connection not shit was made and I want to look into it soon, but there's 0 guarantee it's possible, it's even unlikely. Usually input lag is the sum of the input lag of each part of the pipeline. In the case of the GCC>USB adapters, the GCC have ~0.3ms of input lag and the OEM adapters have ~5.1ms (non OCd); lowering lag means just performing better than the OEM adapter. So here the lossless really has ~1.9ms and so the total goes down. But if you're gonna add another step to the pipeline, you'd expect to necessarily add lag because you're not removing the lag of a device you're replacing from the equation. Now it's not necessarily impossible for such a device to exist because input lag is more of a matter of "negotiation" of how to communicate between subsequent devices of the chain. So if 2 devices are very poor at "negociating" and have a lot of lag as a result, it may be possible to put a "negociator" device in-between that communicates "well" with both devices and end up lowering the overall lag. But this thought can only exist because the devices were doing something bad to begin with. If there are no inefficiencies to be fixed, there is no lag-reducing middleman to be built. The Mayflash adapter for instance has such communication inefficiencies that I could build a USB intermediate that lowers the overall input lag by ~11ms. The official adapter doesn't. I don't know atm if the pro controller in wired mode exposes such a remotely fixable inefficiency. So I don't know if it can be saved. I intend to try to figure that out soon. If it does, then I'll make such devices.
@@SSBMArte Thanks for the detailed answer ! Glad to hear your firmware is pretty competitive. Well done ! I was indeed asking if a "middle man" for the Pro controller was possible, as it looks quite bad. Sounds like, at this point, modding the Pro directly could be the way. Hope something can be done for them and if you do, godspeed !
@@mycatsleeps I've investigated the Pro recently and I don't think anything can be done, no matter which way you shake it only ever provides information at around 62.5Hz which is really bad
Hello, cela fait un bail que je visite le site pour m'en procurer un, je suis même inscrit pour recevoir une notification d'un retour du produit mais la rupture est permanente... Y'a t-il une date de retour prévue ? 😬
Merci, en tout cas vu le prix je pourrais te donner le double pour l'envoi, en comparaison avec l'original c'est cadeau 🤣 En attendant as tu fais un test sur le lag du 8bitdo Gbros? Certains disent ne pas ressentir de lag d'autres oui, et je ne sais pas où me procurer ce genre d'information...
I think the main selling point would be the alleged "consistency" of the inputs, because at the end of the day, if the difference with an official controller in terms of adapter overhead is merely a few milliseconds, 52 ms vs 56 ms of "lag" quite simply will not matter, at all. The pros saying they felt any difference were mostly affected by placebo, unless the aforementioned "input consistency" somehow played a role. The charts are quite a bit misleading. Despite this, I would've probably bought one, but for 40€ + a USB cable to buy separately, I wouldn't get one unless I was a super top player really trying to squeeze every single possible external factor out of my performance.
when will more be in stock? i will send 1 if my GameCube adpter's if needed for parts, paid myself, and pay for the thing even after so no overhead on you
I'm playing Slippi on macos. For the moment I use a mayflash adapter and an app called GCAdapterDriver and everything works fine. Do you know if this adpater will work ? You say it's plug and play for windows, do you know if it is for macos or will I still need my driver ? Anyways I'm definitely getting one of those. Thank you.
It should work just like the official, using the same app (it's almost undistinguishable by the PC) but until I'm able to test it does I'm not going say 100% yes just yet
im trying to get this adapter over 494 hz i thought this adapter went to 1000 or close why am i getting less than half. I did a test run and wasnt much helpful. i need some 1 on 1 help with this.
You can dm me on Discord or Twitter, check the website. If you're on Ryzen, it's 99% your motherboard having halved-rate ports as Ryzen ones are wont to have. Try other USB ports until you get 1000 (some 500 readings are expected but most should be 1000)
Hi, I cannot find the download for the application. I do not have (and will not have the ability to join) discord, where is it posted for public download? The adapter is in my hands but I don't see any download information provided.
Hello, I just set up a fixed download link: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KrM1GYkXpjwpWnWlnBbouGLqaBasbkmP?usp=sharing It's now posted for public download on the website main page.
@@SSBMArte Ok cool I use the GCAdapterDriver for mac to get my mayflash working. I think it would work with the lossless adapter. When will you do another preorder?
Hey, previous orders happened on a pre-order basis, they opened for the last time in september and capped in < 1 day, so you had to be there yeah sorry. From now on I'll try to keep it in stock continuously and prepare them in advance. Orders will re-open this month, prob 2 weeks from now. The news will come via the newsletter, the back in stock notif, the twitter and the discord
@@Feli227 Just keep in mind that at 60 FPS (which is the case of every Smash Bros) 1 frame is 16.67 milliseconds. You can extract this just by doing 1000 (milliseconds in a second) / 60 (the number of frames per second)
@@ch3rry833 I dont think its quite like that because according to the video the adapter takes 2.24 miliseconds lol which is less than a frame and then it says the og takes 5.44 miliseconds but we know there is 6 frames of input lag so it doesnt add up 6 frames is not 5.44 miliseconds
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The community as a whole benefits from the few who stand above and beyond putting their passion into the series. The ability to test input lag as a feature is insanely useful as well as having the adapter be preconfigured to be automatically overclocked to 1k hz. It is amazing the quality you have created! It is already out of stock withing 20 minutes so I will have to wait another day but it will be worth the wait.
Oh, I'm def getting one of these!
Incredible work, you've single-handedly made the perfect adapter! So cheap to boot too, time to stock up
so handsome to boot too
Incredibly useful and impressive feature set, great work on once again improving the integrity of Smash, Arte!
This is brilliant. Thank you so much for your continued dedication to improving the experience of playing Melee on PC.
this was a surprisingly fascinating video that covered a whole lot. very excited for your ultimate project now that you have an adapter that actually works properly. thank you for what you've done for smash
Phenomenal job Arte! You're a master at your craft!!
This is only my first week playing and even I know this is fucking insane lmao, you're cracked dude 😲
this is incredible !!!
So incredible thank you
Arte the GOAT. I firmly believe that melee with never die with people this dedicated and hard-working in our community.
The ratio at the end is extremely impressive
Wow. From a ~1/4 chance of misinput down to a ~1/360 chance of misinput. Astounding 2 orders of magnitude improvement in precision & accuracy
this is absolutely incredible. amazing work, wish other games had something like this now lol
massive W
I love this!!
I was aware of RNG present around perfectly evenly spaced inputs, but I didn't know the extent of it or how it changes based on the adapter used. Actually fascinating work. Thank you Arte!
IMPRESSIVE !!!
What's the reason for not being able to ship to the UK?
Are shipping prices expensive? 😕
Hey no, it's tax compliance. Ever since Brexit the UK requires EU people to charge UK VAT and pay them through a UK fiscal account, which it turns out is particularly difficult to obtain (need to send physical forms whose contents make no sense). On top of that there is no clear rule or infrastructure regarding double taxation of VAT (or so I can gather from the fact the french IRS doesn't answer any question on the matter), so I don't even know what I should do there, aside from not having put the time to be able to do anything. That may happen, but in the meantime, the short story is: Brexit fucked up everything wrt international sales, I can't ship there
Salut Arte, super boulot ! Quand peut-on s'attendre à voir de nouveaux adaptateurs en vente ?
Salut, merci ! Surement en Décembre~Janvier quand la majorité des commandes actuelles auront été reçues
@@SSBMArteim not interested in competitive smash.. i just wanna know if i can play n64 and dolphin emulator games with this...cause my computer hates zadzig and the driver installation process
Yeah you can@@jorgevalenzuela1593
the brain on this guy...
i got an X rating for my setup 6 times, I was baffled. This adapter is ssssssss tier
A couple of questions, is there a link for the discord so I can get updates and are there plans to restock? Thanks so much!
when will you ship to uk?
This is so cool. Et le prix est giga fair gg à toi
Can you please explain how to do settings?
ALL I want is to swap Z/X in options.
Half the time it works. Half the time it doesnt work.
Half the time it doesnt detect controller inside slippi (but shows inputs inside the lossless adapter). And when I reset it is like Im holding the down button constantly.
I dont understand the settings at all, its very confusing. Is it defaulting to tournament mode where x/z swap is disabled? How do I just DELETE tournament mode? I wish there was just a button I could press to swap z/x on all 4 controllers.
Hey, you can configure profiles for programs. A mode is a program-profile pair.
'Tournament mode' is the nickname for the first pre-configured mode, Switch/Dolphin with the default profile ("") and is the one mode you can't delete.
To swap X/Z, you need to configure a profile for the Switch/Dolphin program, and set up "X actuates Z" and "Z actuates X" in the app. Then, you need to add a mode with the Switch/Dolphin program and the profile you just created (use the "Add associated mode" button shortcut for that) and launch it.
To set-up swapping X and Z at a press of the adapter button, you need to set up 2 modes, one with the remapping, one without, and both with an override of what the adapter button does to launch the other mode.
To set-up this override, since you can't use the 'Reboot into first mode with program' option at that would be the first mode ("tournament mode"), use "Reboot to mode at index" option, and have both mode point at each other.
If anything doesn't work, please dm me on Discord or Twitter and we'll work through it.
Half the time it doesn't detect inputs in Slippi > probably due to the adapter being claimed by the configuration app, the half time it doesn't work. Unclaim it in the input viewer (/ close the app) before launching Slippi.
You're doing God's work.
I just got my adapter and I've used it, but there's not lag tester application.
Hello, please join the Discord to get the app
Looks incredible just have three Questions.
1. Does it work on the Wii U?
2. When its plugged in the PC. Does the PC recognize it as four Xinput controllers immedietly? Or does it only register an Xinput when the controller is plugged in?
3. Does it work with the Wavebird controllers?
1. Yes but there are some issues with the rumble I haven't investigated yet
2. Yes, it recognizes 4 XInput controllers immediately. There's also a profile option to have it only spoof 1 controller, as seeing 4 bothers some games.
3. I don't know.
@@SSBMArte Great, thanks for the detailed answer!
So get this adapter instead of Nintendo or mayflash for no lag wireless use with a GameCube controller. Got it
the goat 🙏🏿🙏🏿
Hey Julien. I'd be curious to know how controllers with your pico firmware like OF1 rivals in terms of input delay or other boxes. Also why not make an adapter for USB controller like the Pro? Is it because it wouldn't work or not enough people interested? Anyway cheers man, love your work.
Hey Bastien,
My Pico firmware has ~4.1ms of input delay on Ultimate & ~0.6 on Slippi/PC (using the same method/definitions as the charts in the video). Other digital controller firmwares are at best as fast, I don't know how much.
As for USB controllers, I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but if you mean a USB middleman that reduces lag, that's a whole other piece of cake. I'm aware the Pro controllers have Bluetooth interference issues at tournaments and that their wired mode is awful, so it would be really really nice if a device that made the USB connection not shit was made and I want to look into it soon, but there's 0 guarantee it's possible, it's even unlikely.
Usually input lag is the sum of the input lag of each part of the pipeline. In the case of the GCC>USB adapters, the GCC have ~0.3ms of input lag and the OEM adapters have ~5.1ms (non OCd); lowering lag means just performing better than the OEM adapter. So here the lossless really has ~1.9ms and so the total goes down. But if you're gonna add another step to the pipeline, you'd expect to necessarily add lag because you're not removing the lag of a device you're replacing from the equation. Now it's not necessarily impossible for such a device to exist because input lag is more of a matter of "negotiation" of how to communicate between subsequent devices of the chain. So if 2 devices are very poor at "negociating" and have a lot of lag as a result, it may be possible to put a "negociator" device in-between that communicates "well" with both devices and end up lowering the overall lag. But this thought can only exist because the devices were doing something bad to begin with. If there are no inefficiencies to be fixed, there is no lag-reducing middleman to be built. The Mayflash adapter for instance has such communication inefficiencies that I could build a USB intermediate that lowers the overall input lag by ~11ms. The official adapter doesn't. I don't know atm if the pro controller in wired mode exposes such a remotely fixable inefficiency. So I don't know if it can be saved. I intend to try to figure that out soon. If it does, then I'll make such devices.
@@SSBMArte Thanks for the detailed answer ! Glad to hear your firmware is pretty competitive. Well done ! I was indeed asking if a "middle man" for the Pro controller was possible, as it looks quite bad. Sounds like, at this point, modding the Pro directly could be the way. Hope something can be done for them and if you do, godspeed !
@@mycatsleeps I've investigated the Pro recently and I don't think anything can be done, no matter which way you shake it only ever provides information at around 62.5Hz which is really bad
If only there was something like this to help pro controller users
Hello, cela fait un bail que je visite le site pour m'en procurer un, je suis même inscrit pour recevoir une notification d'un retour du produit mais la rupture est permanente... Y'a t-il une date de retour prévue ? 😬
Salut oui, dans les prochaines semaines j'espère (J'attends la coopération de La Poste... depuis un bout de temps...)
Merci, en tout cas vu le prix je pourrais te donner le double pour l'envoi, en comparaison avec l'original c'est cadeau 🤣
En attendant as tu fais un test sur le lag du 8bitdo Gbros? Certains disent ne pas ressentir de lag d'autres oui, et je ne sais pas où me procurer ce genre d'information...
Will this work with Mister FPGA in X-input mode? Also, when will i be able to order?
Hello, haven't tested, but I don't see why not. Orders should reopen around new year.
I think the main selling point would be the alleged "consistency" of the inputs, because at the end of the day, if the difference with an official controller in terms of adapter overhead is merely a few milliseconds, 52 ms vs 56 ms of "lag" quite simply will not matter, at all. The pros saying they felt any difference were mostly affected by placebo, unless the aforementioned "input consistency" somehow played a role. The charts are quite a bit misleading. Despite this, I would've probably bought one, but for 40€ + a USB cable to buy separately, I wouldn't get one unless I was a super top player really trying to squeeze every single possible external factor out of my performance.
when will more be in stock? i will send 1 if my GameCube adpter's if needed for parts, paid myself, and pay for the thing even after so no overhead on you
I hope this makes you rich x
I'm playing Slippi on macos. For the moment I use a mayflash adapter and an app called GCAdapterDriver and everything works fine. Do you know if this adpater will work ? You say it's plug and play for windows, do you know if it is for macos or will I still need my driver ? Anyways I'm definitely getting one of those. Thank you.
It should work just like the official, using the same app (it's almost undistinguishable by the PC) but until I'm able to test it does I'm not going say 100% yes just yet
@@SSBMArte Ok thank you for your help.
Curious, will this have implications for TASes of other switch games?
I am a bit confused from the chart? Is a wireless pro controller faster then a wired pro controller for Super Smash Bros Ultimate?
Yeah it is. It's very weird yes. By wired we mean, connect it over usbc then configure the switch to use wired comms
im trying to get this adapter over 494 hz i thought this adapter went to 1000 or close why am i getting less than half. I did a test run and wasnt much helpful. i need some 1 on 1 help with this.
You can dm me on Discord or Twitter, check the website. If you're on Ryzen, it's 99% your motherboard having halved-rate ports as Ryzen ones are wont to have. Try other USB ports until you get 1000 (some 500 readings are expected but most should be 1000)
2m vs 1m. No difference in cable size?
Where can I buy this from Mexico?
Hi, I cannot find the download for the application. I do not have (and will not have the ability to join) discord, where is it posted for public download? The adapter is in my hands but I don't see any download information provided.
Hello, I just set up a fixed download link: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KrM1GYkXpjwpWnWlnBbouGLqaBasbkmP?usp=sharing
It's now posted for public download on the website main page.
@@SSBMArte Thank you for your help! I was able to download and run the Windows version of the software successfully.
would this work on m1 mac? I currently use the mayflash.
I haven't tested but very likely yes. The PC can't tell them apart, they should work wherever the OEM/Mayflash do
@@SSBMArte Ok cool I use the GCAdapterDriver for mac to get my mayflash working. I think it would work with the lossless adapter. When will you do another preorder?
do you have a link to the discord?
Hey here you go discord.gg/zUEycCq5Jm
Would this work on Switch/Wii U
yes
what's the classic ryzen bug?
On AMD systems, it's common to have USB ports that poll half as often as they're supposed to
when can i order:(
So it's still lossless even if you connect it by the Dock's USB ports instead, right?
Yeah all measures here were done via the dock's USB ports
Does this work with Smashbox?
Yes
Out of stock since it launch 😢
Hey, previous orders happened on a pre-order basis, they opened for the last time in september and capped in < 1 day, so you had to be there yeah sorry. From now on I'll try to keep it in stock continuously and prepare them in advance. Orders will re-open this month, prob 2 weeks from now. The news will come via the newsletter, the back in stock notif, the twitter and the discord
@@SSBMArte thanks From Canada
can I use phob gcc on those ?
Phob 2 -> Yes; Phob 1.2 -> Yes but you may need to update the Phob firmware; Phob 1.1 -> No and it won't be
@@SSBMArte okay thanks, you did an incredible work
Thank you so much! I don't like the GCC and use a Pro Controller instead. Would it work with a Gamecube insides Pro Controller outsides mod?
If you mean the ProGCC, then yes, one of the beta tester tried that
Will these be restocked?
Hey yeah, taking preorders next week
@@SSBMArte awesome, thank you!
Touhou fan spotted
Yep !
Can you connect usb to this?
No, you can connect 4 gamecube controllers to it, and connect it to a Switch,via USB.
@@SSBMArte darn
Watch Nintendo shut this down, then all of the die hards are going to praise them for doing so...
Out of stock in 3h??? I'm sad
will be released tomorrow, check the site :)
@@Shing_ Oh thanks, I didn't see that
How many frames of input delay does it have on the switch? (Smash specifically)
there is literally a graph that shows it less than a minute into the video 0:56
@@kennythekid130 but specifically in fps? I asked it on twitter and even he doesnt know so
Maybe with the 250 units sold someone will do more testing
@@Feli227 Just keep in mind that at 60 FPS (which is the case of every Smash Bros) 1 frame is 16.67 milliseconds. You can extract this just by doing 1000 (milliseconds in a second) / 60 (the number of frames per second)
@@ch3rry833 I dont think its quite like that because according to the video the adapter takes 2.24 miliseconds lol which is less than a frame and then it says the og takes 5.44 miliseconds but we know there is 6 frames of input lag so it doesnt add up
6 frames is not 5.44 miliseconds
@@Feli227 I knew 6 frames was the Ultimate native input lag, not the adapter lag
how is it out of stock already lol
doesn't go live until tomorrow, it is mentioned in both the video and description
Smash is a mess.
Does this work on mac?
The game modes (e.g Slippi) yes, but not the lag test feature.