Pretty much in a nutshell Disney is having all of their companies do a quantity over quality plan since their pumping out movies and shows like it’s an assembly line and their no longer focused on telling actual good stories. Pretty much their focused on making crowd pleaser/dumb fun films.
I’d blame Taika more than Disney for Love and Thunder but they do need to slow down on the projects or just hire more VFX artists and pay them better along with pacing issues for their shows.
As a Star Wars fans, it’s pretty saddening to see Marvel going through the same thing we’ve been going through, Disney prioritizing merchandise and having a show out every month instead of actually having a plan and telling good stories.
I agree. Phase 4 is just too overwhelming. There’s too much going on all at once between the movies and the shows, but at the same time there’s next to no major overarching plot progression. I’ve only seen a few of the projects in phase 4 because at this point it’s pretty much entirely lost my interest. Once the Infinity Saga wrapped up, it quickly became obvious that they didn’t have a clear-cut direction to take the franchise any more
If wanda can turn Mr. Fantastic into spaghetti, and alter black bolts mouth, why does she fight captain Carter in hand to hand combat? How do her reality altering powers even work? If makes no sense
Bingo! Victor got it right on the dot. Wanda yeeted the male and actually fought the women. That’s what Victoria Alonso and Marvels goal is. Beat the men down and push women forward. Get woke dude!
@@gravitationalmusic3037 exactly, look what they did to the 2 strongest OP male heroes The Hulk and Thor just cause they probably think its too much toxic masculinity between the both of em.. MCU now changed to M-SHE-U
I agree. Phase 4 is really overwhelming. As much as I love the MCU, it’s definitely getting out of hand in terms of production due to the VFX artists speaking up about it, too much content releasing, a lack of direction, lack of quality, oversaturation, I could go on. I really do hope the next Phase can address these issues and improve the quality in terms of the narrative of each movie. However, I’ll say this, the Phase 4 problem is nowhere near as bad as the entirety of the DCEU.
Just saw Black Adam movie today i would say the direction dceu is going it is probably going to become better than MCU in the near future atleast.As long as dceu keeps the jokes and comic relief to a minimum .MCU was totally garbage after endgame .
I remember how so many of my friends in school wanted a standalone film about Black Widow. But after her sacrifice in Endgame, I felt like it was too late for her to get a Movie. Starting Phase 4 with a Black Widow movie was kind of odd to me. Even if it's supposed to take place between Civil War and Infinity War, it still didn't feel right. Be careful what you wish for, I guess.
Honestly would have enjoyed the movie much more if it weren't for the big stupid dragon. Seeing him spin around in a circle around the dragon just felt stupid. It didn't feel like a marvel movie at this point. I would have been fine with a more fledged out fight with his father l because that was the story that mattered. Who cares about some dragon side villain? They are trying too hard to have so much in their movies; it takes away from what matters. Sometimes, what is simpler, is actually better.
The fact that the Black Widow solo movie was the beginning of the MCU phase 4, should’ve told everybody what they needed to know😂it set the tempo/tone to come😂 Phase 4 needs 3 things to get back on track… 1) better stories 2) a New “it” character to kick start things that everyone can root for like Ironman. 3) A new Thanos/ new big villain final boss to build up to.
In my opinion one of the worst things to happen to marvel was the Disney plus shows, theirs way too much content, You literally have to do homework to understand story lines.
I'm mostly sad that they're pumping these movies and shows out so fast. Everything feels rushed and unable to reach its full potential. It's becoming glaringly obvious in the quality of VFX and the scripts. Sadly this probably isn't going to change given the insane amount of money the MCU's making throwing content out like this, even if it means sacrificing what could be really great stories given the time and investment in talent.
Disney+’s mandate is to churn out “content” in quantity at the cost of quality. has hurt Phase 4. Too much bloat. They need to revert back to Phase 3 frequency
Also it has been confirmed by Feige that without the Loki ending that What If, No Way Home (without the multiverse the spell would've worked), and Dr. Strange 2 dealing with the multiverse wouldn't happen because there would be no multiverse
I personally think that the MCU is slowly beginning to run out on its course. I mean I think it's about time that all good things must come to an end at some point. Sure a phase 5 has been confirmed but who else do you think is going to hold up the MCU now that our main heroes are gone or retired? The Young Avengers? The X-Men? Fantastic 4? Knowledge Hub has made a video about the predicting the downfall of superhero movies in general and concluded that Avengers endgame would be a catalyst to this downfall. As for DC, the Snyder verse is said to be coming to a close because of individuals like Erza Miller. I don't know what The Flash or Black Adam would bring but all I know is that the DCEU is currently in a worser spot than Marvel and may be subject to a massive overhaul.
Have to disagree with Shang-Chi. Destin Daniel Cretton did a great job with telling us a story of a new character that most people never heard of. It felt like the Chinese version of Black Panther’s African esthetic. And you can see some of the kung fu elements that inspired it. As with the rest of phase 4? Yeah, terrible. WandaVision started off unique and beautiful, same as Moon Knight, but you could see they didn’t have faith in the writers and directors and had to MCU-ify it. No Way Home is also the only exception, although it’s mostly a Sony product, and the best one at that. But I guess Disney can’t help but fatigue everything it touches, Star Wars and Marcel just won’t be that special anymore since they’re not made with love and hundreds of hours and passion poured into it, but instead just products that need to keep being pumped out.
I literally just watched Doctor Strange from 2016 for the second time! To be honest, I still don't know much about Marvel's mystic side enough to warrant a second watch for Easter Eggs but after watching it, it made me really sad that the sequel to the 2016 flick was Multiverse of Madness. It's too bad that we didn't get a Doctor Strange sequel before Infinity War, I really think that Doctor Strange works best as a series of self contained stories...there's so much interesting stories that was established in 2016 Doctor Strange with dimensions (previously called multiverses) and Mordor as his motives aren't evil but I guess since Wong is now a big part of the MCU, I don't expect to see Mordor coming back as Strange's partner. Just seems that the events of Infinity War and the blip radically changed what we were supposed to get for Doctor Strange movies.
The problem this phase 4 was that because of the pandemic they feel kinda delayed with everything, and they and to put alot of thoose things fast so they still can match their original plans for the future.
Not just the pandemic but they're hiring on the cheap with many of the staff. Eg the director of black Widow barely had any credits to her name before she got the gig
The problem with Phase 4 is franchise fatigue and just a lack of direction. I think that people are just getting tired of the MCU, possibly superhero media in general. Finally, Phase 4 has the same problem with DCEU currently has in the sense that it’s setting up so much without a clear direction.
I'm only really looking forward to Wakanda Forever and Guardians 3. That trailer for Black Panther was perfect and I truly hope Disney doesn't destroy it.
The only thing that left me wanting more and got me excited for the future is loki, and ironically I went in with the lowest expectations when I started watching it
Spiderman far from home should’ve been the first film of phase 4, it would’ve seemed like a passing of the torch from iron man to Spiderman of being the mcu’s main character
I was with marvel for those 10 years of build up. I was a teen in high school when iron man came out. And I saw every movie in theaters. The hype was so real for me. It made me feel that thing your stomach that makes you want to scream, like the moment captain America held thor's hammer. When he said avengers assemble, When iron man said I am iron man and did the snap! It was stuff like those moments I could feel myself so happy I cried. And now I can't help, but feel happy that Iron Man, Captain America and black widow are dead now. They keep making the og characters especially the males dumb idiots next to their female replacements. The story is everywere. The characters are very two dimensional. I don't feel attached or even want to know them. As far as i see It. To me it ended at end game. Like naruto shippuden should of ended after sasuke and naruto's final battle! Now it's ruined. Just like star wars. I grew up with star wars. I watched the old saga when I was a child on VHS. So yeah that's ruined too. And I'm honestly really upset :( seems like all the stuff I grew up with and truly loved has gone to woke shit. They don't care about true fans who have been with it for ever. They only care about pleasing a stupid woke mob that doesn't even understand or watch the content.
It’s just oversaturation and burnout. After Endgame they should have taken a long break, maybe not release the next movie until 2023 so the movies would line back up with the current timeline of the universe. Or if they HAD to capitalize on the franchise’s popularity just do one movie per year for a few years. No shows. (I know they didn’t release anything in 2020 but that wasn’t part of their plan. They absolutely would have if they pandemic didn’t happen.)
How can you love the first Avengers and the show Disney calls Loki? Loki in Avengers was a great character, a guy you love to hate, Loki in Loki is a mess. Loki transforms into a completely different character in a few hours, it was like Darth Vader turning to the good side the moment he realises Luke is his son. And you say Wandavision crashed in the final episodes, but you like Falcon and the Wintersoldier? Falcon and the Wintersoldier went off the rails a lot sooner than the final episodes, what was that show even about? At the end of Endgame you see Falcon getting the shield from Cap, and it seems like Falcon and the Wintersoldier was a 6-hour-version of that scene... take the shield... I don't want it... take the shield... I'am not worthy... take the shield...stop asking me... take the shield... okay I'll take it. The world had to accept Falcon as the new Cap, so they needed that show. I still think it is stupid to make Falcon the new Cap, Falcon is Falcon, but Disney will be bringing back a version of Ironman too, because... they do not have enough characters in the MCU?
This video is great and it goes through my frustrations with the MCU. Glad to see someone has the same opinion as I do. Btw 14:03 made me die of laughter
No Way Home is THE best phase 4 Marvel movie, and it looks like that's not gonna change anytime soon. I'm glad Sony has somewhat independence from Disney's studios so they aren't as much "assembly line mode", which is what Disney has been doing for a really long time now. It honestly sucks to see this massive, potential-filled story go to a waste. However I am glad that out of all the characters we have, Spiderman is the one that still has a really good future in store. 13:59 personal timestamp
Let’s be honest, that movie only did well because of nostalgia pandering. Hell, I’ll be the first one to admit that I’ll only watched those movies just to see the other Spider-Men and nothing else leaving my confused why I prefer this one over the previous two films.
It’s had it’s day. It had it’s zeitgeist moment, around the time of Infinity War. Even if they had maintained the quality (which they haven’t) it still would’ve been on a downward trajectory. That’s how culture works. After being a pretty keen infinity saga fan, I now can’t even pretend to be interested in anything coming out. A lot of those early phase movies also relied on charismatic stars and their interactions, like Downey Jr, Evans, and ScaJo. Unfortunately I don’t think the combo of remaining heavy hitters (Holland, Cumberbatch, Hemsworth, Pratt) is ever going to be enough. Just doesn’t seem to have the same wow factor.
Great video! I agree, the MCU is in a very tough spot right now and I'm extremely worried about the future. Not only is Pjhase 4 extremely oversaturated, but it seems like Marvel doesn't exactly know how all of this tie in together in the future. Phase 4 is introducing way too many ideas and concepts that will not benefit them in their favor. The only thing that I thought connected beautifully was Yelena's appearance in hawkeye, but that was at an extremely small scale. Right now we have some magical rings which apparently serve as a beacon, a new mysterious realm of monsters where Shang-Chi's mother is, celestials, the TVA, Egyptian gods, whatever the hell the realm is in Ms Marvel, and a character that can pretty much open portals to any universe. Wtf
To me what I hate about Phase 4 is just how much every single project has to make heavy leaps in order to tie in to the MCU. Most of these projects are spin-offs from previous franchises. And none of them are really good outside of Spiderman. The movies that do stand out, wether good or bad, are the origin movies. Shang Chi, The Eternals, Moon Knight and Ms Marvel are all original projects that didn’t do too much work in order to tie itself in, because it didn’t need to. And I love all of them (except for Eternals cause… duh) with Moon Knight and Ms Marvel being my favorites for just not repeating the same tropes and mcuisms the studio has been doing for the past 10 years. And to be more specific, the reason to me why fans and critics actually liked Ms Marvel and were genuinely surprised by how good it is was because it literally did basic superhero story tropes and just owning them. People who say it’s generic don’t realize that yes, they’re the same tropes, but in context where for 10 years now the MCU has been constantly ignoring/avoiding these basic tropes. Ms Marvel stood out for just doing the ordinary. And that to me is what makes me sad about Phase 4. They’re trying way too hard or way too little when they can just go back to the basics or experiment on new ideas.
Agreed. Back in the first three phases, I would avoid spoilers as each movie was released. Here in Phase 4, literally the only movies I cared about were Dr Strange and Spider Man: No Way Home. Every other movie, I didn't even care if I accidentally read spoilers, as they were not exciting at all
As an older nerd in his 30s, it’s absolutely amazing to me how there’s a generation like yours that literally grew up with this juggernaut of a franchise. Bar none, there has NEVER been anything remotely close to this outside MAYBE Pokemon, but that’s like comparing apples to a gigantic fruit basket. You and your generation really had it made my dude
As another guy in his 30's, I've come to firmly dislike Marvel, Kevin Fiege and Disney. In that order. I had the luck to grow up reading about these characters. Like my uncle owned a comic book store. I would say up until 2014 I was a firm comic head it started to change. I was rocking with the MCU until Thor Ragnarok. I'm one of those people who feel that was the start of the MCU's downfall. It become Joke based over story. Pretty much every D+ show is a preachy bait and switch in the worst way. Ugh. These movies have all been lackluster. Once I saw phase 5&6...I think I'm going to quietly exit the fandom. Not a single thing peaked my interests. Not story or characters.
As an even older nerd in his 40s, I think it's fucking stupid this generation thinks they're the 1st to grow up with this characters. I know there was no MCU, but in a way there was..
@@christianalexander579 They really did miss the point Im making; That there’s literally nothing as massive as this that anyone in before gen z had growing up. Name me one franchise that had this many movies or tv shows coming out that combined everything into a bigger universe later down the line with frequent crossovers. Phase 4 is obviously a mess, but Phase 1-3 really seems like something special and unique. (Of course, I expect the comment section to still miss that point even with this clarity because RUclips comments)
@@SeiferA2001 I would say Star Wars. Yes there was a 16 year gap between trilogies but the expanded universe was so large and became nearly as mainstream as the movies themselves.
I totally forgot that Black Panther two was even coming out because I have felt so swamped with trying to catch up on everything and I’m kind of losing interest of the MCU. I’ll just stick with reading the Comics
Thinking critical and several other Comics review RUclips channels have been going over this sort of thing for years. Phase 4 didn't have any plan and neither will face five or six. Normies don't want Multiverse stuff, they want a good story
I used to be a fan of mcu but it got boring and I just question my self why I’m I not enjoying marvel now but then watching mcu phase 4 sucks it make sense the creator needs to fire the new writers because it was their making the mcu worse
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I think the marvel universe has been mid since endgame and while I enjoyed NWH it was kinda shit on a rewatch. The tv shows were all meh too, only Hawkeye made me enjoy it
Oddly enough I actually enjoyed Love and Thunder, maybe it was low expectations but I wound up coming out pretty satisfied. But yeah aside from No Way Home and Wandavision (yes even the later episodes), Phase 4 has been very sloppy in my opinion. The continuity is really messy now, and there just isn't a clear through line like in previous phases. I'm hoping it gets better, but given a lot of Disney's latest releases, I can't really say that I'm holding my breath.
1) I love all the points you've made and it feels really good to know someone under the age of 25 also feels that the writing has gotten weaker and these Marvel projects lately feel more like products to sell the next product than ever before. 2) I'm not gonna lie, part of my soul did take a hit when I heard "I saw Avengers in 3rd grade" and I realized "damn, I'm getting old. lol. 32. And 3) In my opinion, the best choice to direct a Fantastic 4 movie would be Brad Bird! I mean fuck, he technically already directed the best Fantastic 4 movie ever in The Incredibles.
It's carzy how spider man across the spider verse is the only marvel relative thing that I'm existed about because my god phase 4 is a complete mess (in a bad way)
I also am part of the generation that grew up with the original Avengers characters from on the early phases of the mcu and it's kind of disappointing seeing how the majority of the mcu has been like and probably will be like now😔
Spiderman was kind of a boring movie, it was a nostalgia trip, it was entertaining but shallow, It reminds me of the new star wars movies, I don't agree it was fan service done well, it was just fan service
I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with phase 4. I think people just have their expectations way too high, and they’re not liking the new changes that Disney is taking. This phase is different than all the other ones, and that pisses people off. This one doesn’t have a big badie , each one feels like its own singular storyline, but if you look at the bigger picture you can see how they’re all connected.
The only thing that changed was die hard MCU fans perception. The Infinity Saga movies didn't add up at all until Thanos. Even though Thanos origin and who he was, never explained. Funny how Phase 4 is more of it. But MCU popped their cherry early and rushed everything. Fox owns the rights to XMEN until 2025. Disney made phase 1-4 all filler. When Xmen arrives and another reboot. Kevin Feige is overrrated and ego driven about content he never knew about. Crazy to think he never read Marvel comics yet hes in charge of Disney Marvel projects.
There are just too many shows and not enough good movies, hard to keep up. Nothing is really tied together, so it's not really necessary to watch everything.
I'm binging through Marvel movies in order and am on Phase 3 and I'm very impressed with it. The other phases definitely had good movies but Phase 3 imo is the best even with some of the duds like Captain Marvel. Imo Phase 3 is the strongest.
It’s as much of a mess that phase one was. The reason why they aren’t really connected is because they’re setting up the rest of the saga. It’s dragging on because it needs to set up a bunch of new characters and groups.
I like the connectivity between the movies and the other MCU projects that build up the bigger overall plot and I did not see this in any of the Phase 4 films so far. I mean it is barely connected at best. Plus not mention of Uncle Ben in the MCU by the actual MCU Spider-Man.
even though black widow was not my fav she was integral for the end of the first major saga of a decade , after iron man of course. it was like paying respect to a character that played a major supporting role for the last 10 plus years Also phase 4 is a cooldown phase used to stall for another high flying major phase which is 5 and with that being said it was still relatively entertaining
To me, No Way Home feels like the only Phase 4 project that actually feels like an experience that can rival Endgame. I never watched any other Phase 4 project as No Way Home was all that I was really looking forward to. I’m really only here for Spidey now and no one else.
well none of them are even supposed to rival endgame, youre comparing the biggest mcu movie to a bunch of other movies being used to set up the rest of the mcu after that
If I were to summarize Phase 4 of the MCU into two words, I would say it has been nothing but "Set Up." Aside from Spider-Man: No Way Home, and maybe Thor: Love and Thunder, every single Marvel movie and TV Show feels like set up and nothing sticks out as a stand-alone movie anymore, when compared to how the MCU treated their properties in Phase 1.
Arent we kind of in the same situation now as we were with ant man tho? yes the line up of movies and new characters is pretty bloated but how do we know that the characters introduced now arent necessary to the bigger story like ant man was? In the begining of phase 1 the movies felt like they were standalone until the big teamup came. Hopefully phase 4 is like phase 1 with a lot of set up for phase 5/6. As of now it dosent look like it since there are no avengers or seemingly big team up movies until the kang dynasty. The whole start of this saga feels very confused with too much content
I have phases 1-3 all on 3D blu-ray and they all look amazing. Hearing that phase 4 is a mess is really depressing not to mention not one movie has been released in 3D 😭 (in the USA) Disney screwed up Star Wars and it seems they are going to destroy the MCU as well. 😭
It’s funny how you can see that in the first 3 phases, movies like ant-man only seem important in retrospect, even though they where surprising at the time, but you can’t see the same thing happening with the current run? Give it some time mate.
I noticed a more cartoon comic book style to a lot of the movies in faze 4 and I feel like that, that throwing most people off now, especially the people who grew up watching it because they expect more of an adult style but getting exact opposite now
Disneys advertising Marvel too much yet they don’t advertise their TVA animated shows like The Owl House or Amphibia, and those don’t even have official merchandise yet. That’s bullshit.
I feel the same when I watch these MCU movies. I was born when the MCU started. Which is why it hurts me seeing how the MCU is going down in a downward spiral. No Way Home stopped the MCU from going into a downward spiral. But it only paused it for the time it was out. Once No Way Home's story was looked at the downward spiral was starting once again. And after the Spider-Man phase the MCU has gown back down into a downward spiral. It's even worse now. I remembered when i first saw The Avengers movie. I don't remember anything behind it. But I just feel like I'm being disappointed everytime a MCU movie or show just flops. Bad character writing, messaging, etc. It just. Really disappoints me at the MCU's failure. After Endgame things could have gotten better. But it got worse. I remember when phase 4 was starting and whenever I saw a movie, or the shows. I was excited. I had no doubt the movie or show would be good. But now. I can't go into a marvel show without thinking that it's going to be bad. The LAST MCU movie that I truly went in with high hopes was Moon Knight. I liked it. But seeing other people's opinions. Yeah. The show's not good. After that I've never given anything that Disney makes any chance of hope that I used to give. I just can't wait until the MCU just dies. I know I shouldn't be thinking that. But the MCU has only one. ONE good movie in phase 4 was No Way Home. And even that was bad when you look at it carefully. This almost feels like my own writing. I'm saying almost. It's just that I KNOW what I'm doing. The plots are wonky on each book. But I have SOMETHING. They are just drafts. I just either hope that the MCU gets better or that it just dies. (Sighs) Til all are one.
we didn't get any version of spider-man until no way home which coincidentally finally happened in phase 4, that doesn't equate to phase 4 and especially not no way home being good though
I did not like No Way Home that much honestly, it felt like first draft of a decent fan-fiction. It was fun seeing all the Spider-Men together but it was so inconsistent to its own rules so much so that I found it irritating and hard to rewatch.
@@jeffreyquinde6707 At the end of the film Peter Parker agrees to have the memory of him erased from everyone’s minds so they don’t remember he is Spider-man, but they show earlier that the school made an entire section dedicated to Peter being Spider-man. The spell only erased people’s memory, but there’s countless media and content that has been made about Peter being Spider-man so it wouldn’t make it all go away, that’s a flaw. Also, they say how those who know Peter Parker is Spider-man are ones who come into the portal while Electro did not know who Peter Parker was, and they’re missing characters who did know Peter was Spider-man. There’s plenty of other plot holes, but I don’t blame anyone for not being annoyed by these plot holes it is just a dumb fun superhero film. I just did not like the writing and thought it was sloppy. I personally hated the contrived “Fix anything” machine from Tony Stark that just turned all the villains into good guys and fixed their “evilness” I really hated that whole plot line. It would’ve worked if Peter wanted that to work because he’s just a kid and he thinks that anyone can be redeemed but it backfired and he learns that you can’t always save everyone, but somehow it just works and the bad guys become good? It was just too stupid for me and it didn’t work. Like I said, felt like a good fanfiction that needed a couple more drafts. Still enjoyed it for what it is.
Ikr! So many plotholes with this movie! I was not a huge fan of the curing villains plotline. Yes, it would be bad but like if they would be sent back before their deaths, wouldn't they just die anyway? Electro and Doc Ock would instantly be killed regardless if they lost their powers due to the situation they were in. I also hated that machine, it was just a huge plot convenience.
These plot holes weren’t so distracting for me personally. And the film did have a strong emotional story to support it and the fan service actually contributed to the story instead of just catering to the fans
Marvel currently as phase 4 wraps up is definitely experiencing major whiplash. The MCU definitely climbed it's biggest mountain with end game and I don't think the MCU will really be the same. Apart of the me wants to see what wacky thing the mcu will come up with next but at the same time end game was called "end game" because many like myself assumed that it would be the end of the mcu. I wouldn't mind continuations with solo stories but it shouldn't be really forced into as tv shows and instead be just movies still and be more spread out. These shows and movies really feel like they are just trying way to hard to be connected and set things up that they are just bad overall. I noticed this in all of phase 4 mcu movies and it really bogs down the story in all of them. You can tell there were alot of things forced just to set up for the next sequal which I just hate. The thing about previous marvel movies is that you can watch anything and won't really need context to watch the next one. Like you can technically skip all the phase one mcu movies and you would still have a fun time with avengers. You don't feel trapped having to boringly watch every mcu project just to make sense of everything. Heck you don't even need to really watch GOG 1 to understand GOG 2. The mcu really needs to step back and not think about connecting shit rn and instead let the audience just enjoy good solo movies. As well in "Movies." Idk if it is just me but I feel like in general the mcu doesn't really fit in a tv show format. Maybe if they completely leave the mcu format out of the shows i may like it more but in general those shows need more identity and focus on solo characters. Hi welcome to my ted talk
Marvel movies are heading in different direction. Strange Multiverse has become a horror movie. Thor Love and Thunder has become a comedy. More female superheroes to attract female fans don't work anymore because of the bad stories.
First off let me say , great video. Second of all, it’s upsetting to here Kevin Feige act that way with Edgar Wright. After reading about how the She Hulk writer and director we’re allowed to have full range with the show ( it’s not the best ) she mentioned how Kevin is ego-less and allows her to do what she wants . Which makes me wonder that Kevin is either one of two things . 1) A man who learned to give up the knife or 2) A man who is afraid to tell a woman no .
I never felt the need to follow the entire timeline, so I only watched the first Iron Man and Thor movies. After that, I skipped right to the Avengers movies and stopped watching after Endgame.
The thing with No Way Home and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is that the cameos in NWH worked and had a purpose of being there and being a part of the story. The cameos in Dr strange were there and then died like in five minutes
It’s time to increase budget For being years i have seen a same budget of almost every marvel movie is 150-250 Million $ Marvel should increase budget to 500-700 Million $ atleast and i know they have enough money they cn spend more then 1 Billion $ If they want to
Spiderman NWH, Shang Chi and parts of Thor L & T are the only good things for phase 4. I can just hope they would bring out an extended version or a director's cut for Thor L & T to extend the fights between Chris H's Thor and Gorr and cut out a lot of the comedic parts.
Literally everyone I'm subscribed to dislikes this movie. Also literally one hour after this 24 frames of Nick titled his review "Thor 4 sucks and the mcu is dead".
You do make a lot of good points but you contradict yourself a lot by saying that none of phase 4 movies don't connect to anything but neither did the first phases until the first avengers bc they are setting up the heros and giving them character development and just introducing us to these heroes we will come to love later down the line the same way the first phases did. I can agree with you about movies like black widow and eternals they were not that great of movies but the new phase is doing the same thing ant man did bc they might not play a role now, but later until the avengers movie or even before they will have a bigger role, and me personally like the direction they are heading which is different hero settings like the cosmic heros or our street level heroes and now our supernatural like moonknight and blade etc. Overall you are entitled to your own opinion but me personally marvel is doing good and people should just like the movies for what they are like the original phase. But this is coming from a guy who enjoyed shang chi and moon knight bc they are not really connected but will soon be, and also directors can make amazing movies and then make terrible movies not everything is for everyone for example Thor Ragnarok and Thor love and thunder which I also liked but not everyone enjoyed that movie but this is just my opinion and I respect yours so good day
To me, I'm just leaning towards the colder side for Phase 4. A lot of Stuff hit home. Spider Man: No Way Home, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Moon Knight, Dr Strange 2, Shang Chi and Ms Marvel. But the rest are just... Bleh. Both in terms of Potential and Writing. I can personally chalk it up to Too much being announced. Ever since the Investor Day call, When Disney made Marvel And Star Wars blow their load on content, A dozen Disney Plus shows were announced. A year later, And I'm kinda hoping some of them get The chopping block. If Marvel Stuck with "2 Movies-2 Shows a year" Schedule to let Each Project get Proper Polish, (Ms Marvel and Moon Knight especially needed a Phase 5 release. the VFX need Repair. Badly.) Pick the Shows Sparingly to see which one Fits into the Wider MCU story, As well as in need of An Avengers movie announced at The End of The Comic Con '19 announcement, Phase 4 would have been over at this point and wouldn't feel... Well, Bloated.
The worst thing about Phase 4 is that Doctor Strange 2 is that it can’t exist in the same continuity as No Way Home. How could all the other universe characters show up without causing incursions. Seriously they had a similar impact on the MCU universe, but they didn’t create an incursion.
The fact that we got masterpieces like No Way Home, epitomes of mediocrity like Multiverse of Madness, and absolute disasters like Eternals in the same Phase is both astounding and disappointing to me.
5:25 But Ant-Man (Hank Pym) is an integral member of The Avengers in the comics. However I don't know why they didn't decide to go with Hank Pym in the MCU. Maybe they felt there were too many scientists?
People keep saying that Marvel doesn’t have a direction but like it’s because they have so many bases to cover phase 4 is the start to the end of multiverse saga you gotta give them time to tie everything together with a Loki season 2 a mutants a fantastic 4 Spider-Man 4
Being 25 now and feeling like the MCU isn’t a thing that was part of my childhood but I was 10-11 when iron man came out and I know now that it’s basically cause of the complications of the story line. It’s different than comics cause retconning is handled way worse
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What’s your favorite and/or least favorite MCU Phase 4 project? (For those asking what I expect, I expect good movies, that simple).
Least fav: Dr strange 2
Favorite: spider man no way home
Favorite: no way home
Least favorite: love and thunder
i have 2 favs and 2 worsts
Best
1 spider-man nwh
2 Thor love and thunder
Worst
1 Dr strange 2
2 all the disny plus shows except Ms mavel and hawkeye
Favorite: No Way Home
Least Favorite: Love and Thunder
Favorite: Loki
Least Favorite: Eternals
Pretty much in a nutshell Disney is having all of their companies do a quantity over quality plan since their pumping out movies and shows like it’s an assembly line and their no longer focused on telling actual good stories. Pretty much their focused on making crowd pleaser/dumb fun films.
Finally it’s here.
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milking franchises is what Disney does best like Mulan and all those other live action movies that nobody asked for.
Tired of I've always wanted to say that and that sounded better in my head jokes.
I’d blame Taika more than Disney for Love and Thunder but they do need to slow down on the projects or just hire more VFX artists and pay them better along with pacing issues for their shows.
@@Comic_Geek2001 exactly. Surprisingly the newest predator film was honestly more enjoyable than anything mcu has put out this current phase.
As a Star Wars fans, it’s pretty saddening to see Marvel going through the same thing we’ve been going through, Disney prioritizing merchandise and having a show out every month instead of actually having a plan and telling good stories.
In conclusion : Disney ruins everything. Star Wars & Marvel should get away from them
At least Disney+ finally gave up on producing The Acolyte. That is one less woke anti-entertaining Star Wars series we do not need!
I agree. Phase 4 is just too overwhelming. There’s too much going on all at once between the movies and the shows, but at the same time there’s next to no major overarching plot progression. I’ve only seen a few of the projects in phase 4 because at this point it’s pretty much entirely lost my interest. Once the Infinity Saga wrapped up, it quickly became obvious that they didn’t have a clear-cut direction to take the franchise any more
in phase 2 we had iron man 3 and thor dark world, bad movies
@@pedroagustin9989 atleast they were competent and progressed the overarching plot forward
Just say you dropped it because they wasn’t about white people
Wrong, they have Secret Wars to explore, and it's what they're doing now
@@pedroagustin9989 idk about you but I’d much rather rewatch Dark World or Iron Man 3 than Black Widow or Eternals any day.
If wanda can turn Mr. Fantastic into spaghetti, and alter black bolts mouth, why does she fight captain Carter in hand to hand combat? How do her reality altering powers even work? If makes no sense
Because… I’ll just say they made that sequence a gender issue.
Bingo! Victor got it right on the dot. Wanda yeeted the male and actually fought the women. That’s what Victoria Alonso and Marvels goal is. Beat the men down and push women forward. Get woke dude!
@@gravitationalmusic3037 exactly, look what they did to the 2 strongest OP male heroes The Hulk and Thor just cause they probably think its too much toxic masculinity between the both of em.. MCU now changed to M-SHE-U
@@High-sewciety no. Marvel gave instructions to keep She Hulk small so the women aren’t being prioritized.
Her reality warping is inconsistent af ngl
I agree. Phase 4 is really overwhelming. As much as I love the MCU, it’s definitely getting out of hand in terms of production due to the VFX artists speaking up about it, too much content releasing, a lack of direction, lack of quality, oversaturation, I could go on. I really do hope the next Phase can address these issues and improve the quality in terms of the narrative of each movie. However, I’ll say this, the Phase 4 problem is nowhere near as bad as the entirety of the DCEU.
Yeah there's probably too much for people to work on
Yeah and the Snyder cut is kinda overrated.
@@ZeeManiaX At least Snyder cut tried to tell a decent story. And characters were likeable.
DCEU production problem is legendary at this point.
Just saw Black Adam movie today i would say the direction dceu is going it is probably going to become better than MCU in the near future atleast.As long as dceu keeps the jokes and comic relief to a minimum .MCU was totally garbage after endgame .
I remember how so many of my friends in school wanted a standalone film about Black Widow. But after her sacrifice in Endgame, I felt like it was too late for her to get a Movie. Starting Phase 4 with a Black Widow movie was kind of odd to me. Even if it's supposed to take place between Civil War and Infinity War, it still didn't feel right.
Be careful what you wish for, I guess.
Shang chi was a lot of fun. I loved everything about it except the "the world's gonna end if we don't beat the big cgi dragon".
Honestly would have enjoyed the movie much more if it weren't for the big stupid dragon. Seeing him spin around in a circle around the dragon just felt stupid. It didn't feel like a marvel movie at this point. I would have been fine with a more fledged out fight with his father l because that was the story that mattered. Who cares about some dragon side villain? They are trying too hard to have so much in their movies; it takes away from what matters. Sometimes, what is simpler, is actually better.
These aren't movies anymore, this is a corporate product that they sell to their consumers
The fact that the Black Widow solo movie was the beginning of the MCU phase 4, should’ve told everybody what they needed to know😂it set the tempo/tone to come😂
Phase 4 needs 3 things to get back on track… 1) better stories 2) a New “it” character to kick start things that everyone can root for like Ironman. 3) A new Thanos/ new big villain final boss to build up to.
In my opinion one of the worst things to happen to marvel was the Disney plus shows, theirs way too much content, You literally have to do homework to understand story lines.
I’m done caring about the storyline, I already had to watch a ton of bad and mid movies to watch endgame
I'm mostly sad that they're pumping these movies and shows out so fast. Everything feels rushed and unable to reach its full potential. It's becoming glaringly obvious in the quality of VFX and the scripts. Sadly this probably isn't going to change given the insane amount of money the MCU's making throwing content out like this, even if it means sacrificing what could be really great stories given the time and investment in talent.
Disney+’s mandate is to churn out “content” in quantity at the cost of quality. has hurt Phase 4.
Too much bloat. They need to revert back to Phase 3 frequency
Also it has been confirmed by Feige that without the Loki ending that What If, No Way Home (without the multiverse the spell would've worked), and Dr. Strange 2 dealing with the multiverse wouldn't happen because there would be no multiverse
I personally think that the MCU is slowly beginning to run out on its course. I mean I think it's about time that all good things must come to an end at some point. Sure a phase 5 has been confirmed but who else do you think is going to hold up the MCU now that our main heroes are gone or retired? The Young Avengers? The X-Men? Fantastic 4?
Knowledge Hub has made a video about the predicting the downfall of superhero movies in general and concluded that Avengers endgame would be a catalyst to this downfall.
As for DC, the Snyder verse is said to be coming to a close because of individuals like Erza Miller. I don't know what The Flash or Black Adam would bring but all I know is that the DCEU is currently in a worser spot than Marvel and may be subject to a massive overhaul.
Have to disagree with Shang-Chi. Destin Daniel Cretton did a great job with telling us a story of a new character that most people never heard of. It felt like the Chinese version of Black Panther’s African esthetic. And you can see some of the kung fu elements that inspired it. As with the rest of phase 4? Yeah, terrible. WandaVision started off unique and beautiful, same as Moon Knight, but you could see they didn’t have faith in the writers and directors and had to MCU-ify it. No Way Home is also the only exception, although it’s mostly a Sony product, and the best one at that. But I guess Disney can’t help but fatigue everything it touches, Star Wars and Marcel just won’t be that special anymore since they’re not made with love and hundreds of hours and passion poured into it, but instead just products that need to keep being pumped out.
I literally just watched Doctor Strange from 2016 for the second time! To be honest, I still don't know much about Marvel's mystic side enough to warrant a second watch for Easter Eggs but after watching it, it made me really sad that the sequel to the 2016 flick was Multiverse of Madness.
It's too bad that we didn't get a Doctor Strange sequel before Infinity War, I really think that Doctor Strange works best as a series of self contained stories...there's so much interesting stories that was established in 2016 Doctor Strange with dimensions (previously called multiverses) and Mordor as his motives aren't evil but I guess since Wong is now a big part of the MCU, I don't expect to see Mordor coming back as Strange's partner.
Just seems that the events of Infinity War and the blip radically changed what we were supposed to get for Doctor Strange movies.
I can't believe how underrated this video- and you- are! This is so well written!
Lol lie !!
The problem this phase 4 was that because of the pandemic they feel kinda delayed with everything, and they and to put alot of thoose things fast so they still can match their original plans for the future.
Not just the pandemic but they're hiring on the cheap with many of the staff.
Eg the director of black Widow barely had any credits to her name before she got the gig
The problem with Phase 4 is franchise fatigue and just a lack of direction. I think that people are just getting tired of the MCU, possibly superhero media in general. Finally, Phase 4 has the same problem with DCEU currently has in the sense that it’s setting up so much without a clear direction.
A lot of people were getting tired of cape movies even back in 2016
I don't know if it's superhero fatigue. I loved No Way Home. I think it's just lazy writing, wokeness, and the focus on quantity over quality.
,@@danwestbay7980 I partially agree
I'm only really looking forward to Wakanda Forever and Guardians 3. That trailer for Black Panther was perfect and I truly hope Disney doesn't destroy it.
They didn't. It's a masterpiece.
The only thing that left me wanting more and got me excited for the future is loki, and ironically I went in with the lowest expectations when I started watching it
Spiderman far from home should’ve been the first film of phase 4, it would’ve seemed like a passing of the torch from iron man to Spiderman of being the mcu’s main character
Across the Spider-Verse should have been an MCU movie meaning $680 million feels more like another box office flop.
I was with marvel for those 10 years of build up. I was a teen in high school when iron man came out. And I saw every movie in theaters. The hype was so real for me. It made me feel that thing your stomach that makes you want to scream, like the moment captain America held thor's hammer. When he said avengers assemble, When iron man said I am iron man and did the snap! It was stuff like those moments I could feel myself so happy I cried. And now I can't help, but feel happy that Iron Man, Captain America and black widow are dead now. They keep making the og characters especially the males dumb idiots next to their female replacements. The story is everywere. The characters are very two dimensional. I don't feel attached or even want to know them. As far as i see It. To me it ended at end game. Like naruto shippuden should of ended after sasuke and naruto's final battle! Now it's ruined. Just like star wars. I grew up with star wars. I watched the old saga when I was a child on VHS. So yeah that's ruined too. And I'm honestly really upset :( seems like all the stuff I grew up with and truly loved has gone to woke shit. They don't care about true fans who have been with it for ever. They only care about pleasing a stupid woke mob that doesn't even understand or watch the content.
"Edgar Wright has probably made films better than any MCU movie".
Iron Man 1 and Winter Solider - "Hold my beer".
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Phase 4 in a nutshell: Quantity of Quality
It’s just oversaturation and burnout. After Endgame they should have taken a long break, maybe not release the next movie until 2023 so the movies would line back up with the current timeline of the universe. Or if they HAD to capitalize on the franchise’s popularity just do one movie per year for a few years. No shows. (I know they didn’t release anything in 2020 but that wasn’t part of their plan. They absolutely would have if they pandemic didn’t happen.)
How can you love the first Avengers and the show Disney calls Loki? Loki in Avengers was a great character, a guy you love to hate, Loki in Loki is a mess. Loki transforms into a completely different character in a few hours, it was like Darth Vader turning to the good side the moment he realises Luke is his son. And you say Wandavision crashed in the final episodes, but you like Falcon and the Wintersoldier? Falcon and the Wintersoldier went off the rails a lot sooner than the final episodes, what was that show even about? At the end of Endgame you see Falcon getting the shield from Cap, and it seems like Falcon and the Wintersoldier was a 6-hour-version of that scene... take the shield... I don't want it... take the shield... I'am not worthy... take the shield...stop asking me... take the shield... okay I'll take it. The world had to accept Falcon as the new Cap, so they needed that show. I still think it is stupid to make Falcon the new Cap, Falcon is Falcon, but Disney will be bringing back a version of Ironman too, because... they do not have enough characters in the MCU?
This video is great and it goes through my frustrations with the MCU. Glad to see someone has the same opinion as I do. Btw 14:03 made me die of laughter
No Way Home is THE best phase 4 Marvel movie, and it looks like that's not gonna change anytime soon. I'm glad Sony has somewhat independence from Disney's studios so they aren't as much "assembly line mode", which is what Disney has been doing for a really long time now. It honestly sucks to see this massive, potential-filled story go to a waste. However I am glad that out of all the characters we have, Spiderman is the one that still has a really good future in store.
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Let’s be honest, that movie only did well because of nostalgia pandering. Hell, I’ll be the first one to admit that I’ll only watched those movies just to see the other Spider-Men and nothing else leaving my confused why I prefer this one over the previous two films.
@@Juanhernandez-zx7kt well that, but it also gave Tom Holland’s Spider-Man a character arc and got him out of the “Iron Boy Jr” phase
@@thedang4thchaosemerald498 To also be fair they got rid of near the end of Far from Home.
NWH is pure fan service
No Way Home was good because Disney wasn't involved only Marvel Studios and Sony were.
It’s had it’s day. It had it’s zeitgeist moment, around the time of Infinity War. Even if they had maintained the quality (which they haven’t) it still would’ve been on a downward trajectory. That’s how culture works.
After being a pretty keen infinity saga fan, I now can’t even pretend to be interested in anything coming out. A lot of those early phase movies also relied on charismatic stars and their interactions, like Downey Jr, Evans, and ScaJo. Unfortunately I don’t think the combo of remaining heavy hitters (Holland, Cumberbatch, Hemsworth, Pratt) is ever going to be enough. Just doesn’t seem to have the same wow factor.
Great video! I agree, the MCU is in a very tough spot right now and I'm extremely worried about the future. Not only is Pjhase 4 extremely oversaturated, but it seems like Marvel doesn't exactly know how all of this tie in together in the future. Phase 4 is introducing way too many ideas and concepts that will not benefit them in their favor. The only thing that I thought connected beautifully was Yelena's appearance in hawkeye, but that was at an extremely small scale. Right now we have some magical rings which apparently serve as a beacon, a new mysterious realm of monsters where Shang-Chi's mother is, celestials, the TVA, Egyptian gods, whatever the hell the realm is in Ms Marvel, and a character that can pretty much open portals to any universe. Wtf
To me what I hate about Phase 4 is just how much every single project has to make heavy leaps in order to tie in to the MCU.
Most of these projects are spin-offs from previous franchises. And none of them are really good outside of Spiderman.
The movies that do stand out, wether good or bad, are the origin movies. Shang Chi, The Eternals, Moon Knight and Ms Marvel are all original projects that didn’t do too much work in order to tie itself in, because it didn’t need to.
And I love all of them (except for Eternals cause… duh) with Moon Knight and Ms Marvel being my favorites for just not repeating the same tropes and mcuisms the studio has been doing for the past 10 years.
And to be more specific, the reason to me why fans and critics actually liked Ms Marvel and were genuinely surprised by how good it is was because it literally did basic superhero story tropes and just owning them. People who say it’s generic don’t realize that yes, they’re the same tropes, but in context where for 10 years now the MCU has been constantly ignoring/avoiding these basic tropes. Ms Marvel stood out for just doing the ordinary.
And that to me is what makes me sad about Phase 4. They’re trying way too hard or way too little when they can just go back to the basics or experiment on new ideas.
Well said
Love you comments!
WandaVision for me was awesome. But I agree with everything else you said!
Agreed. Back in the first three phases, I would avoid spoilers as each movie was released.
Here in Phase 4, literally the only movies I cared about were Dr Strange and Spider Man: No Way Home. Every other movie, I didn't even care if I accidentally read spoilers, as they were not exciting at all
As an older nerd in his 30s, it’s absolutely amazing to me how there’s a generation like yours that literally grew up with this juggernaut of a franchise. Bar none, there has NEVER been anything remotely close to this outside MAYBE Pokemon, but that’s like comparing apples to a gigantic fruit basket.
You and your generation really had it made my dude
As another guy in his 30's, I've come to firmly dislike Marvel, Kevin Fiege and Disney. In that order. I had the luck to grow up reading about these characters. Like my uncle owned a comic book store. I would say up until 2014 I was a firm comic head it started to change. I was rocking with the MCU until Thor Ragnarok. I'm one of those people who feel that was the start of the MCU's downfall. It become Joke based over story. Pretty much every D+ show is a preachy bait and switch in the worst way. Ugh. These movies have all been lackluster. Once I saw phase 5&6...I think I'm going to quietly exit the fandom. Not a single thing peaked my interests. Not story or characters.
As an even older nerd in his 40s, I think it's fucking stupid this generation thinks they're the 1st to grow up with this characters. I know there was no MCU, but in a way there was..
Bruh stop copying his comments all y'all are doing is copying his comment and changing up the words
@@christianalexander579 They really did miss the point Im making; That there’s literally nothing as massive as this that anyone in before gen z had growing up. Name me one franchise that had this many movies or tv shows coming out that combined everything into a bigger universe later down the line with frequent crossovers.
Phase 4 is obviously a mess, but Phase 1-3 really seems like something special and unique.
(Of course, I expect the comment section to still miss that point even with this clarity because RUclips comments)
@@SeiferA2001 I would say Star Wars. Yes there was a 16 year gap between trilogies but the expanded universe was so large and became nearly as mainstream as the movies themselves.
I totally forgot that Black Panther two was even coming out because I have felt so swamped with trying to catch up on everything and I’m kind of losing interest of the MCU. I’ll just stick with reading the Comics
Thinking critical and several other Comics review RUclips channels have been going over this sort of thing for years. Phase 4 didn't have any plan and neither will face five or six.
Normies don't want Multiverse stuff, they want a good story
Welcome to growing up..it’s nostalgia, you’re always going to love the things you grew up watching more than the contemporary version.
I used to be a fan of mcu but it got boring and I just question my self why I’m I not enjoying marvel now but then watching mcu phase 4 sucks it make sense the creator needs to fire the new writers because it was their making the mcu worse
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Having a blast going from mcu hate essay to hate essay im lovin it
I think the marvel universe has been mid since endgame and while I enjoyed NWH it was kinda shit on a rewatch. The tv shows were all meh too, only Hawkeye made me enjoy it
Oddly enough I actually enjoyed Love and Thunder, maybe it was low expectations but I wound up coming out pretty satisfied.
But yeah aside from No Way Home and Wandavision (yes even the later episodes), Phase 4 has been very sloppy in my opinion. The continuity is really messy now, and there just isn't a clear through line like in previous phases. I'm hoping it gets better, but given a lot of Disney's latest releases, I can't really say that I'm holding my breath.
I blame Taika more than Disney for Love and Thunder specifically. Disney has definitely put quantity over quality and hopefully they figure it out
1) I love all the points you've made and it feels really good to know someone under the age of 25 also feels that the writing has gotten weaker and these Marvel projects lately feel more like products to sell the next product than ever before. 2) I'm not gonna lie, part of my soul did take a hit when I heard "I saw Avengers in 3rd grade" and I realized "damn, I'm getting old. lol. 32.
And 3) In my opinion, the best choice to direct a Fantastic 4 movie would be Brad Bird! I mean fuck, he technically already directed the best Fantastic 4 movie ever in The Incredibles.
It's carzy how spider man across the spider verse is the only marvel relative thing that I'm existed about because my god phase 4 is a complete mess (in a bad way)
I wonder how their CGI will look like in Phase 5 with all the tired VFX artists and the overuse of movies
I also am part of the generation that grew up with the original Avengers characters from on the early phases of the mcu and it's kind of disappointing seeing how the majority of the mcu has been like and probably will be like now😔
Spiderman was kind of a boring movie, it was a nostalgia trip, it was entertaining but shallow, It reminds me of the new star wars movies, I don't agree it was fan service done well, it was just fan service
I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with phase 4. I think people just have their expectations way too high, and they’re not liking the new changes that Disney is taking.
This phase is different than all the other ones, and that pisses people off. This one doesn’t have a big badie , each one feels like its own singular storyline, but if you look at the bigger picture you can see how they’re all connected.
The only thing that changed was die hard MCU fans perception. The Infinity Saga movies didn't add up at all until Thanos. Even though Thanos origin and who he was, never explained. Funny how Phase 4 is more of it. But MCU popped their cherry early and rushed everything. Fox owns the rights to XMEN until 2025. Disney made phase 1-4 all filler. When Xmen arrives and another reboot. Kevin Feige is overrrated and ego driven about content he never knew about. Crazy to think he never read Marvel comics yet hes in charge of Disney Marvel projects.
couldnt agree more, these are the words i've been wanting to shout out since after endgame.
There are just too many shows and not enough good movies, hard to keep up. Nothing is really tied together, so it's not really necessary to watch everything.
I'm binging through Marvel movies in order and am on Phase 3 and I'm very impressed with it. The other phases definitely had good movies but Phase 3 imo is the best even with some of the duds like Captain Marvel. Imo Phase 3 is the strongest.
It’s as much of a mess that phase one was. The reason why they aren’t really connected is because they’re setting up the rest of the saga. It’s dragging on because it needs to set up a bunch of new characters and groups.
yeah people arent really giving it time
It hurts seeing my favorite film series go down hill honestly...
Same here
I like the connectivity between the movies and the other MCU projects that build up the bigger overall plot and I did not see this in any of the Phase 4 films so far. I mean it is barely connected at best. Plus not mention of Uncle Ben in the MCU by the actual MCU Spider-Man.
Also when Thor beat up those Korbinites in Hulk 3 was an awesome cameo and an awesome moment for Thor
Love the Sonic the Hedgehog Music being used as the BGM here
even though black widow was not my fav she was integral for the end of the first major saga of a decade , after iron man of course. it was like paying respect to a character that played a major supporting role for the last 10 plus years Also phase 4 is a cooldown phase used to stall for another high flying major phase which is 5 and with that being said it was still relatively entertaining
One thing I’m really excited for is the Guardians Holiday Special
It’ll be almost an hour long, and hopefully they’ll let Gunn make it really good
To me, No Way Home feels like the only Phase 4 project that actually feels like an experience that can rival Endgame. I never watched any other Phase 4 project as No Way Home was all that I was really looking forward to. I’m really only here for Spidey now and no one else.
How do you know No Way Home is the only great movie or show if you haven’t seen the other ones?
@@IcyDiamond it’s as I said. I only care for Spidey and no one else
Both endgame and no way home are good at best
well none of them are even supposed to rival endgame, youre comparing the biggest mcu movie to a bunch of other movies being used to set up the rest of the mcu after that
If I were to summarize Phase 4 of the MCU into two words, I would say it has been nothing but "Set Up." Aside from Spider-Man: No Way Home, and maybe Thor: Love and Thunder, every single Marvel movie and TV Show feels like set up and nothing sticks out as a stand-alone movie anymore, when compared to how the MCU treated their properties in Phase 1.
Arent we kind of in the same situation now as we were with ant man tho? yes the line up of movies and new characters is pretty bloated but how do we know that the characters introduced now arent necessary to the bigger story like ant man was? In the begining of phase 1 the movies felt like they were standalone until the big teamup came. Hopefully phase 4 is like phase 1 with a lot of set up for phase 5/6. As of now it dosent look like it since there are no avengers or seemingly big team up movies until the kang dynasty. The whole start of this saga feels very confused with too much content
I have phases 1-3 all on 3D blu-ray and they all look amazing. Hearing that phase 4 is a mess is really depressing not to mention not one movie has been released in 3D 😭 (in the USA)
Disney screwed up Star Wars and it seems they are going to destroy the MCU as well. 😭
I have faith
Surprisingly well done analysis. Refreshing perspective. Thanks. Solid editing as well.
It’s funny how you can see that in the first 3 phases, movies like ant-man only seem important in retrospect, even though they where surprising at the time, but you can’t see the same thing happening with the current run? Give it some time mate.
When equality is more important than quality 😖😩😴
Quantity....
I noticed a more cartoon comic book style to a lot of the movies in faze 4 and I feel like that, that throwing most people off now, especially the people who grew up watching it because they expect more of an adult style but getting exact opposite now
Disneys advertising Marvel too much yet they don’t advertise their TVA animated shows like The Owl House or Amphibia, and those don’t even have official merchandise yet. That’s bullshit.
I feel the same when I watch these MCU movies. I was born when the MCU started. Which is why it hurts me seeing how the MCU is going down in a downward spiral. No Way Home stopped the MCU from going into a downward spiral. But it only paused it for the time it was out. Once No Way Home's story was looked at the downward spiral was starting once again. And after the Spider-Man phase the MCU has gown back down into a downward spiral. It's even worse now. I remembered when i first saw The Avengers movie. I don't remember anything behind it. But I just feel like I'm being disappointed everytime a MCU movie or show just flops. Bad character writing, messaging, etc. It just. Really disappoints me at the MCU's failure. After Endgame things could have gotten better. But it got worse.
I remember when phase 4 was starting and whenever I saw a movie, or the shows. I was excited. I had no doubt the movie or show would be good. But now. I can't go into a marvel show without thinking that it's going to be bad. The LAST MCU movie that I truly went in with high hopes was Moon Knight. I liked it. But seeing other people's opinions. Yeah. The show's not good. After that I've never given anything that Disney makes any chance of hope that I used to give. I just can't wait until the MCU just dies. I know I shouldn't be thinking that. But the MCU has only one. ONE good movie in phase 4 was No Way Home. And even that was bad when you look at it carefully. This almost feels like my own writing. I'm saying almost.
It's just that I KNOW what I'm doing. The plots are wonky on each book. But I have SOMETHING. They are just drafts. I just either hope that the MCU gets better or that it just dies.
(Sighs) Til all are one.
MCU changed cinema, yes, for the worst. Movies in general are really bad in last 10-15 years
we didn't get any version of spider-man until no way home which coincidentally finally happened in phase 4, that doesn't equate to phase 4 and especially not no way home being good though
I agree, but Shang Chi was fire
I did not like No Way Home that much honestly, it felt like first draft of a decent fan-fiction. It was fun seeing all the Spider-Men together but it was so inconsistent to its own rules so much so that I found it irritating and hard to rewatch.
I am genuinely curious about the contradictory plot lines and rules you saw in the film
@@jeffreyquinde6707 At the end of the film Peter Parker agrees to have the memory of him erased from everyone’s minds so they don’t remember he is Spider-man, but they show earlier that the school made an entire section dedicated to Peter being Spider-man. The spell only erased people’s memory, but there’s countless media and content that has been made about Peter being Spider-man so it wouldn’t make it all go away, that’s a flaw. Also, they say how those who know Peter Parker is Spider-man are ones who come into the portal while Electro did not know who Peter Parker was, and they’re missing characters who did know Peter was Spider-man. There’s plenty of other plot holes, but I don’t blame anyone for not being annoyed by these plot holes it is just a dumb fun superhero film. I just did not like the writing and thought it was sloppy. I personally hated the contrived “Fix anything” machine from Tony Stark that just turned all the villains into good guys and fixed their “evilness” I really hated that whole plot line. It would’ve worked if Peter wanted that to work because he’s just a kid and he thinks that anyone can be redeemed but it backfired and he learns that you can’t always save everyone, but somehow it just works and the bad guys become good? It was just too stupid for me and it didn’t work. Like I said, felt like a good fanfiction that needed a couple more drafts. Still enjoyed it for what it is.
@@ryrythevideoguy well said, really sad how biased people are with NWH.
Ikr! So many plotholes with this movie! I was not a huge fan of the curing villains plotline. Yes, it would be bad but like if they would be sent back before their deaths, wouldn't they just die anyway? Electro and Doc Ock would instantly be killed regardless if they lost their powers due to the situation they were in. I also hated that machine, it was just a huge plot convenience.
These plot holes weren’t so distracting for me personally. And the film did have a strong emotional story to support it and the fan service actually contributed to the story instead of just catering to the fans
Marvel currently as phase 4 wraps up is definitely experiencing major whiplash. The MCU definitely climbed it's biggest mountain with end game and I don't think the MCU will really be the same. Apart of the me wants to see what wacky thing the mcu will come up with next but at the same time end game was called "end game" because many like myself assumed that it would be the end of the mcu. I wouldn't mind continuations with solo stories but it shouldn't be really forced into as tv shows and instead be just movies still and be more spread out. These shows and movies really feel like they are just trying way to hard to be connected and set things up that they are just bad overall. I noticed this in all of phase 4 mcu movies and it really bogs down the story in all of them. You can tell there were alot of things forced just to set up for the next sequal which I just hate. The thing about previous marvel movies is that you can watch anything and won't really need context to watch the next one. Like you can technically skip all the phase one mcu movies and you would still have a fun time with avengers. You don't feel trapped having to boringly watch every mcu project just to make sense of everything. Heck you don't even need to really watch GOG 1 to understand GOG 2. The mcu really needs to step back and not think about connecting shit rn and instead let the audience just enjoy good solo movies. As well in "Movies." Idk if it is just me but I feel like in general the mcu doesn't really fit in a tv show format. Maybe if they completely leave the mcu format out of the shows i may like it more but in general those shows need more identity and focus on solo characters. Hi welcome to my ted talk
mom means multiverse of madness, gog is guardians of the galaxy
Marvel movies are heading in different direction. Strange Multiverse has become a horror movie. Thor Love and Thunder has become a comedy. More female superheroes to attract female fans don't work anymore because of the bad stories.
First off let me say , great video. Second of all, it’s upsetting to here Kevin Feige act that way with Edgar Wright. After reading about how the She Hulk writer and director we’re allowed to have full range with the show ( it’s not the best ) she mentioned how Kevin is ego-less and allows her to do what she wants . Which makes me wonder that Kevin is either one of two things .
1) A man who learned to give up the knife or 2) A man who is afraid to tell a woman no .
I never felt the need to follow the entire timeline, so I only watched the first Iron Man and Thor movies. After that, I skipped right to the Avengers movies and stopped watching after Endgame.
The thing with No Way Home and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is that the cameos in NWH worked and had a purpose of being there and being a part of the story. The cameos in Dr strange were there and then died like in five minutes
I think you’re right about people raving over cameos but, I think scoopers make it worse.
No Way Home is actually Terrible too.
They got Thor right in Ragnarok? They got him right in his first movie. After that, he slowly became a parody of himself(outside of infinity war)
Thor became a downgrade and joke in Endgame and Love and Thunder
00:00 if you talk badly about moon knight… WE RIOT 🫡🫡🫡
if they manage to mess up black panther then i'll we officially done with this phase.
It’s time to increase budget For being years i have seen a same budget of almost every marvel movie is 150-250 Million $ Marvel should increase budget to 500-700 Million $ atleast and i know they have enough money they cn spend more then 1 Billion $ If they want to
Spiderman NWH, Shang Chi and parts of Thor L & T are the only good things for phase 4. I can just hope they would bring out an extended version or a director's cut for Thor L & T to extend the fights between Chris H's Thor and Gorr and cut out a lot of the comedic parts.
Disney ruins childhood dreams..
You better shut up
Literally everyone I'm subscribed to dislikes this movie. Also literally one hour after this 24 frames of Nick titled his review "Thor 4 sucks and the mcu is dead".
You do make a lot of good points but you contradict yourself a lot by saying that none of phase 4 movies don't connect to anything but neither did the first phases until the first avengers bc they are setting up the heros and giving them character development and just introducing us to these heroes we will come to love later down the line the same way the first phases did. I can agree with you about movies like black widow and eternals they were not that great of movies but the new phase is doing the same thing ant man did bc they might not play a role now, but later until the avengers movie or even before they will have a bigger role, and me personally like the direction they are heading which is different hero settings like the cosmic heros or our street level heroes and now our supernatural like moonknight and blade etc. Overall you are entitled to your own opinion but me personally marvel is doing good and people should just like the movies for what they are like the original phase. But this is coming from a guy who enjoyed shang chi and moon knight bc they are not really connected but will soon be, and also directors can make amazing movies and then make terrible movies not everything is for everyone for example Thor Ragnarok and Thor love and thunder which I also liked but not everyone enjoyed that movie but this is just my opinion and I respect yours so good day
Well said my friend
To me, I'm just leaning towards the colder side for Phase 4. A lot of Stuff hit home. Spider Man: No Way Home, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Moon Knight, Dr Strange 2, Shang Chi and Ms Marvel. But the rest are just... Bleh. Both in terms of Potential and Writing. I can personally chalk it up to Too much being announced. Ever since the Investor Day call, When Disney made Marvel And Star Wars blow their load on content, A dozen Disney Plus shows were announced. A year later, And I'm kinda hoping some of them get The chopping block. If Marvel Stuck with "2 Movies-2 Shows a year" Schedule to let Each Project get Proper Polish, (Ms Marvel and Moon Knight especially needed a Phase 5 release. the VFX need Repair. Badly.) Pick the Shows Sparingly to see which one Fits into the Wider MCU story, As well as in need of An Avengers movie announced at The End of The Comic Con '19 announcement, Phase 4 would have been over at this point and wouldn't feel... Well, Bloated.
There have been some good stuff but I can definitely see a dip in quality I hope for phase 5 they can get it together
The worst thing about Phase 4 is that Doctor Strange 2 is that it can’t exist in the same continuity as No Way Home. How could all the other universe characters show up without causing incursions.
Seriously they had a similar impact on the MCU universe, but they didn’t create an incursion.
The fact that we got masterpieces like No Way Home, epitomes of mediocrity like Multiverse of Madness, and absolute disasters like Eternals in the same Phase is both astounding and disappointing to me.
5:25 But Ant-Man (Hank Pym) is an integral member of The Avengers in the comics. However I don't know why they didn't decide to go with Hank Pym in the MCU. Maybe they felt there were too many scientists?
People keep saying that Marvel doesn’t have a direction but like it’s because they have so many bases to cover phase 4 is the start to the end of multiverse saga you gotta give them time to tie everything together with a Loki season 2 a mutants a fantastic 4 Spider-Man 4
Being 25 now and feeling like the MCU isn’t a thing that was part of my childhood but I was 10-11 when iron man came out and I know now that it’s basically cause of the complications of the story line. It’s different than comics cause retconning is handled way worse
11:46 to be fair Ghost Rider was originally going to appear in Doctor Strange 2