There is a lot of difference between the base M4 and the Pro Version:- the base m4 as 10-core CPU with 4 performance cores and 6 efficiency cores and a 10-core GPU ...... The PRO Version as a 12 Core CPU, with 8 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores and a 16 Core GPU the ram bandwidth speed is 2.50 X that of the Standard Mini..... plus Thunderbolt 5 instead of 4 ( for a bit of future proofing ) also the SSD seems to be 2X the speed of the Base Model .
There seem to be more diffrences if you look at the teradown on apples page, different PCB, diffrent cooling solution (nearly double the fins and different material of cooler) probably alos different tears of storage (we will have to wait if someone make s a tear down of a Base and a Pro version with the same amount of storage. So a lot of differences probably, BUT are they relevant for the average user? My assumption NO. Even if i compare M1 to M4 lots of changes but the performance of the M1 is sufficient for most of us.
kronk! I'm taking the deep dive - maybe tonight. Great vid. Still haven't made up my mind.Macbook M4 Pro or Mini? 24 or 48 Gb ram. An extra $500 CDN is a lot for the extra 24 GB. Doing the TB harddrive for sure. My 2016 Macbook Pro won't run Logic properly anymore - that's the main reason. My tunes have 25 -30 tracks easy, plugins etc. I"ve started using Davinci Reslove and intend on doing some more elaborate videos soon. Any advice?
Let’s goooo! Thanks for watching till the end my friend. I’d say, according to the activity monitors of my friends (producers and composers in the top of their game) we’ve noticed that literally 95% of big projects you’re gonna be around 20-22gb in that activity monitor. Even when caching your sessions to ram. Running regular big sessions like idk, 150 tracks virtual instruments and auxes and stuff. CPU:389% 🤣🤣 so, unless you really really have extra money, 24 should do and be worth the investment. For video with DaVinci I really have zero experience tbh, so I wouldn’t be able to tell you! Hope this helps my friend! Merry Christmas 🎄😊
Cheers! Thanks for the reply! I went for 48 gb ram - probably overkill but just wanted to be sure when I have big projects in Logic and DaVinci open at the same time. Looking forward to more content from you!
Hi can you please tell me how well the m4 max or pro manage with plugins in a live setting. Is there latency or could I mix my band's 8x stems live set (4 plugs per stem) with ableton or logic plugs and a soundcard , not needing a mixing desk. And what would be best best bang fot buck here Can you do a vid testing kn real tine to show us
There is one piece of advice that has always and will forever be true when deciding on what "next" computer to buy (or your first). Buy the most powerful computer that you have the budget for. Period. #1, buy the most powerful processor you can afford, #2 buy the most RAM you can afford and #3 buy the most internal storage you can afford. Do these things in those order and you will simply be buying the best thing you can for the money you have. But you must first decide how much money you want to spend first and foremost. Don't look for a new computer without a budget. I agree with everything you said in this video. Liked and subscribed. Getting the most powerful M4 Pro is super wise. I might slightly disagree on RAM but that's only because more RAM is ALWAYS a good thing going forward. Storage is neither here nor there because the M4 Pro has "three" Thunderbolt 5 ports which is super "lightning" fast and external storage will not be an issue for this machine. Anyways, cheers brother!
You said it! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 i love that idea of ALWAYS BUYING WITH A BUDGET IN MIND! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 wish I said it, that is the absolute key, because like you said more is more and more is better! But, at what cost? That’s the question. Thank you for your insightful comment my friend, I’m sure more people will find it interesting! Have a wonderful week! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Just buy the base and wait for m5 then swap, then wait for m6 and swap. Mac’s progress is advancing in high gear ever since the M1, so waiting is the best way to get the best performance cheaply.
From a music producer perspective, m1 pro is not only 2 cores more than the m1, thats missed the point. Many daws only use performance cores, and the base m1 has 4 performance cores, but the m1 pro version has 8 performance cores. So with the pro the daw has the double amount of cores it can use, that is 4 more cores.
I agree with you, in many ways, the M4 pro is twice the computer. 🙌🏻 I wanna say that some test say that the ssd is twice as fast too. Or is it going from 256 to 1tb that doubles the speed? Anyway, faster ssds. Thanks for your comment my friend! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Surprisingly no problems with plugins. Sonnox is the only one that doesn’t work for me atm, but they say they’re working on the fix. The only hiccup I have is my antelope interface is not supported anymore, so…… now I got to sort that HUGE problem. But if you’re using anything with like, thunderbolt or usb c, you should be good.
I ordered the M4 pro with 12 core CPU, 1tb and 48gb ram on MacBook pro. As I am using sample libraries for music production ram is quite important. With thunderbolt 5 external SSD can be connected and are much cheaper than Apple's price tag
Thanks for sharing that my friend, I think that’s a great computer. If I were you, I’d open a very dense session, maybe your template with all your orchestral pieces and such and open your activity monitor to see how much ram you’re really using. Maybe, 48gb is not really enough, or maybe 24 is enough. Maybe, you can afford the 14 core with 24gb of ram? I feel that might be a better investment of your money. In my case, It’s not uncommon to see my computer using 300% of cpu and only 16 gigs of ram. Check that out to find out what are your personal needs are and you can buy the computer you need. 😊
I ordered the same specs. I wanted to go with 32gb ram and the 14 core cpu but apple left me no choice. 48 is to much for me but 24 is not enough. Also, if u are coming from an i7 from the year 2015 the 12 core cpu m4 pro will blow your mind. 8 performance cores… wtf 🤤
If you’re going with the base M4 don’t pay for the upgrades. Keep it stock or if you want to upgrade it just save an extra 200$ and get the M4 Pro and get 2-3X the performance.
I think your right on the money friend! The more tests and benchmarks I see, the easier the choices seem, as long as you know your needs. Thanks for your insightful comment friend!
11:25 😆Took me a moment to realize what you were doing with the air drumming. Normally I don't watch videos on this part of music as I'm not quite there to make use of it, but you make it interesting enough to watch. I was just thinking to comment on your next video to let you know I'm still watching them all, been quiet because work has kept me very busy lately. Noticed on your shorts that your guitar playing is noticeably cleaner compared to when I first started to watch your channel.
🤣🤣 EXTREME LATENCY 🤣🤣 thank you for your nice comment as always my friend! I’m glad I’m slowly getting better at guitar playing! 🙏🏼🙏🏼thank you for your support!!! I appreciate you!
Quick question! I also have the 2018 Mac mini :) what is the latest IOS you’ve been able to update to while doing music in Logic Pro? I’m scared to update 😂 gonna be getting the m4 Mac mini soon! Thanks for this video 🤙🏽
My man!!! Sorry it took me so long, I’m currently running macOS Catalina 10.15.7 I tried to go up once and i couldn’t run my sessions properly. Luckily I had a Time Machine backup and went right back! 😅😅
I thought sample libraries just loaded in to ram so there wouldn’t be any lag it would just take longer to load the instrument? Wondering if I need to update my Samsung t7 external Definitely getting 1tb but can’t figure if I should up the CPU. The price goes up quickly 😅
I’ve been using the computer for almost a week already, not having fully transitioned yet, I stand with what I say here, processor is the single most important investment. I particularly haven’t maxed out the ram on any session yet, but I see the cpu being hit hard. Specially with plugins oversampling the cpu suffers. Ram, your computer will swap with the ssd, but if you run out of cpu you’re done. The pro is basically, for music production, twice the computer, but twice the price of course! 😅😅 anyway, thanks for your nice comment friend!!
Kronk. I've been using a Mac mini with Final Cut Pro and I've been super pleased! It was last years $600 version and works great! I did get a 1TB external hard drive though.
Apple will have you upgrade twice. First by buying a Mac mini and then by releasing the real deal - the new Mac Studio with M4 Max which will be the future proof model for a while with proper ram configuration and double the decoders and encoders engines. I’ll wait a little longer. There will be plenty options to choose from.
@ when they print enough of these chips to go to Mac Studio. Apple has better margins on MacBook Pro I guess, so these machines get the newest tech first. Now they are milking the Mac mini release. It is a great machine, no doubt, but there’s a reason it doesn’t have certain features reserved for the pros.
I record my own vocals and acoustic guitar using a large diaphragm condenser, but I use a lot of tracks and plugins so I'd like to go with the Pro Mini M4, and my biggest fear is fan noise while tracking. How loud does yours get during a session? Great video btw, KRONK!
I think at some point, all these computers get hot, so the fans are gonna kick in. So far, with my old Mac mini I haven’t had that issue. Sometimes, I record vocals into a full mix with tons of plugins and stuff and don’t have an issue with the noise. You just have to be strategic with mic placement and aligning the mics rejection pattern with whatever your noise source may be. But overall, with the computer under my desk, the old Mac mini is a non issue, I’ll report back about noise on the M4 pro. Thanks for your nice comment my friend and thank you for watching till the end!! 🙌🏻🙏🏼 I appreciate you!!
@@Itsjorgelanzas Thanks for the reply, that sounds promising. I have an Intel MacBook Pro right now and the noise and heat are horrible, honestly. Appreciate you very much, looking forward to more videos from you putting the new Mini through the paces.
My friend. The good news is that from the Intel computers to the M chips the reduction of the fan noise is EXTREME! You will be happy no matter what M computer you get
Let’s goooooo!! Thanks for staying until the end!! With that config I’m sure you’re SOLID!! 🔥🔥Happy music making my friend! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 ps. How much ram did you get?? lol
Handsome man 🎉 I enjoyed the editing style and your speaking ability. Good style of presentation felt premium yet fun. At points gave me twista vibes with how fast you speak 😂 adrenaline rush much.
Thank you so much for watching till the end my friend!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 and I really appreciate your nice comment and all your motivation! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 thanks for taking the time to bring positivity to this world!! ✨✨✨
probably already answered- but Final Cut is associated with your apple ID, so you won't need to buy it again... er, if it's anything like Logic. That's how Logic behaves
I believe the biggest focus for music daws and plugins is RAM and Performance cores. Therefore, I’d go for an M4 pro. Especially the mini, and the thunderbolt 5 connections will be game changing for externals. I currently use a 2015 IMac i7 w 32 go of ancient RAM LOL.
Thank you for your contribution my friend! 🙌🏻🙏🏼🙏🏼🙌🏻 I agree that for music, the M4Pro is the way to go 100% it audio terms, it’s pretty much twice the computer in one case
Kronk. What's great about the Apple creative pack (Logic, Final Cut, etc.) is they're cheap and flexible. You can populate basically any computer with your Apple ID with a copy of these apps. Easy. I work with many other creative apps and the upgrade cycle ($) and the copy protection makes it a PITA to manage on multiple machines. Ideally, software should follow me wherever I go, and if I have a workstation in two places or a couple laptops, I don't want to have to manage dongles and authorizations and passwords for them. Logic and FCP follow this rule. That's part of the reason I stay with them.
I don't agree with you: U don't need to take a higher option regarding the processor. The M4 is waaaaay sufficient if you do music (only). The plugins etc. should not need more than 200 gig. So you can easily go with the base model and buy some fast (!) external thunderbolt SSDs and be HAPPY! 😂❤ 🤩
Thanks for sharing your opinion friend. I really stand by what I say in this video. I do this for a living and this is the computer for me, if my budget was a bit bigger I would have gotten the extra ram, but I’m sure this will manage. Have a great week friend!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
I agree, in fact music production will utilize single threaded operations far more than any multi-threaded operations (save some VST's). The M4 base model CPU is worlds above even the latest, and insanely fast, Ryzen 9 processor (thought the Ryzen absolutely destroys even the M4 pro in multi-threaded operations, because of the "efficiency cores"). The M4 base model would be plenty for the average upgrade path of a computer which is about 5 years.
Let’s gooooo!! I would highly recommend it if it’s in your budget. In the m4pro every extra core you pay for, is a performance core, so it’s well worth the investment almost for every DAW right now, since they all use performance cores completely and some don’t use efficiency cores at all. 🤘🏻🤓
Thanks for the video, it helped me understand CPU and processors a little better. I’ve got a 2021 MacBook Pro M1 Max, 16 cores. It was a work laptop that I got to keep when I left employment. It’s a beast, 64gb of RAM with 4tb of SSD. I just finished a record and pushed the limits of it which kind of surprised me. It got me thinking that I think I’m ready to leave the laptop music production world and get a desktop and the new Mac Mini seems perfect, it’s still portable if I want to travel. I think I’ll trade the laptop in for a Mac mini and go for the better performance. Is RAM really not that useful anymore? I was going straight for the 64gb of RAM. If I’m thinking in the future of getting some strings and things like that in Kontakt, would I regret only having 24 or 48gb of RAM?
Thank you for your nice comment friend!! I do believe ram is very important. But, what I would suggest you is to do a real life test with you computer right now. Open a session that is pretty loaded and that has an average of the plugins that you are used to use in a session, open your activity monitor and check how much ram is your system using. That will give you the realistic idea of how much ram you really need. Since we all use our computers differently. For the most part, ram intense tasks would be ARA processing, autotune in graph mode with the whole song loaded, huge sample libraries if you score for film or video games. Stuff like that, up until now, daws have been known for not taking advantage of ram as much as they’re optimized to use cpu power. (Multi core performance mainly) so in the balance of budget and needs, I place processor as your main need, then ram and then storage. Storage mainly cause with tb4 or 5 you get fast enough drives for seamlessly productivity. Anyway, I hope this helps you! So, check your activity monitor and make your informed decision, how much you’re using vs how much you can afford. Me personally, I’m broke 🤣🤣🤣 so I’m trynna save as much as possible and hopefully make some bag in the next few to get like an M6 or something when they come out🤣🤣
Your experience with Mac configurations is helpful. However, just looking at specs & options on the Mini M4's doesn't tell the whole story. Will they thermal throttle with lots of fan noise during recording? I hear Apple has set the M4 Mini to run hot in order to reduce fan noise, but hot-running computers have a shorter life. I'm waiting for the new Mac Studio with better & quieter cooling. Better to buy one Mac Studio M4 than two Mini M4 Pros over the same time period.
Oh yes you do!!! I’ve literally seen that activity monitor in orchestral suites, I’ve never seen a computer using so much ram by just loading a template 😱😱😱 like Wtf?? 🤣🤣🤣
Great video! I probably need more RAM because I do compose some orchestral stuff and would use VSTs almost exclusively. Also, maybe 1TB isn’t enough. Superior Drummer 3, for example, takes up something like 200+ GB. Like you said, though, external drives are pretty cheap compared to Apple’s upgrades, and that’s the way to go.
I agree with you on all counts!! I originally wanted to get 2TB, but not for $800 🤣 I rather get 4 for $400!! I’m curious, What computer are you running now??
Totally agree. My computer is really old, an ASUS desktop from, like, 15 years ago, lol. It’s so old it won’t upgrade to Windows 11, which is why I’m (finally) in the market for a new computer, and I thought that change would also allow me to start building a home studio. I’ve been watching a lot of videos on Macs vs. PCs for audio engineering, and everyone comes out on the Mac side-even Windows power users for 20+ years. These Mac minis are really exciting, which is a pleasant surprise because no one recommended the M3 chips over the M2/M2 Pro when they were released (according to bench tests). Btw, thanks for all your hard work! Love the channel, and I wish you all the success in the future.
I am a content creator and the one thing that is going to suck up memory and power are the new AI based functions/capabilities that are being added to both the video and photos editors. I upgraded finally from my M1 to the M4 Pro. People have to future proof themselves from AI in their apps. I use Davinci Resolve Studio and I even see the AI functions in the fairlight page and the plug-ins I use. People have to think about the AI revolution that is occurring. Apple gave us a big message when they upped the base memory from 8 to 16GB. 24GB seems enough today, but what about next year? I went for 48GB. As a friend astutely said, I rather be looking at it then looking for it or in this case, wishing you had. I went for the 1TB SSD also - but hooking up high speed SSDs and looking forward to Thunderbolt 5 drives.
There are videos now on how to move your Home folder, so you can potentially do with 512GB of SSD, if you get a enclosure with USB4/Thunderbolt4 support and a NVME SSD (it is almost as fast as the internal 512GB drive and quicker than the 256GB baseline, and with upcoming Thunderbolt 5 enclosures they will probably even match the internal drive speed of the 512GB and larger drives). AI uses RAM as well. I would probably recommend going for 48GB before going for the 14 core over the 12 core, but ideally both (too bad they don't offer 32GB RAM with the Pro.. 32GB should have really been the baseline for any Apple silicon mac, because with less you can't really get max out of the CPU). And if you do orchestral music I would put the 64GB upgrade over the CPU upgrade.
I think the review in general is good, but I would’ve emphasized the performance cores; that is going to make the biggest difference I think in plug-in performance and track counts. On the whole more is better on the other items as well within your budget. The upgrade for the m4 pro I think would be a good future investment and my understanding is the drives are upgradable with a bit of fiddling. I think you can save there. Over time, Plug-ins get hungrier and hungrier for processing and memory. If you can afford it, get the pro with 48gb (is 32 an option?) Meanwhile, I’m not immediately in the market. I’m waiting to make a decision based upon what the Mac studio M4 pro or max versions look like. My M1 MacBook Air meets my current needs although when I push it, it starts to crap out. But I don’t often do this because I’m mostly using external gear. But I could see pretty soon I’m gonna get back “in the box” so I will be buying something in the next nine months or so .
u don't need too much RAM... because u have SSD? If that is your point then u may need a secondary ssd for memory caching. Anyway it depends: if you use many sample libraries you need as much ram as you can. If you use plugins that are processor intensive - especially modelling ones like UAD's native... modelled amplifiers etc - a fast processor allows you to run more of them. But I would argue RAM is the most important factor in music production today... RAM and music theory, that's what is normally missing.
I’m just basing what I’m saying in watching my activity monitor and seeing that I always have a HUGE OVERHEAD OF RAM, but I don’t have a HUGE OVERHEAD OF MONEY 🤣🤣🤣 so I don’t like to see $1,200 worth of ram sitting idle. When I see that activity monitor tells me I’m running out, I’ll say I have to spend that money, for now, I keep it in my pocket instead of giving it to Apple. Have you checked your activity monitor while doing some of your ultra demanding sessions? I’m curious to see how much ram your sessions need. I’ve only seen my scoring friends using crazy amounts of ram. Plus, freeze, commit,, idk $1000 worth of ram?
KRONK a usefull computer for professional use was at any time around 2000-3000 €, i rememeber the time maxing out old PCs for my father from 1 MB of Ram to 4 MB of RAM to 8 MB of RAM on the old 286 Computerfrom standard VGA 640/16 to VGA 1024/32768 from MFM to RLL to a complete SCSI system. Its astonishinghow perfomant these small beasts are nowadays. I would probably spend the extra money of memory upgrade . But for sure future proofing is not necessary nowadays, if you ran into issues in 2 years buy an M6 fitting your needs THEN.
Yay!! Thank you for watching till the end!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 and, That is exactly what I’m seeing. Why get into the system so deep? Just so that in the next 2 years there’s 400% more performance and you want to buy another one. It’s all about balancing your needs, with your earnings and the amount of coins need to make sense. But I guess people buy computers for fun too 😅 so it’s ok to drop a couple thousand dollars just because 192gb of ram looks and sounds awesome. I rather get another tax return for my business in 2-4 years. Tech is moving way too fast to be getting into technology for crazy amounts of money. Anyway, I enjoyed reading your comment friend! Thank you and I hope you have a wonderful day!
Look at the newest video of James Zhan regarding the utilisation of Efficiency and Performance Cores in the DAW of your choice. The M4 and M4Pro are a huge difference for music production.
Thank you so much for your insightful comment my friend. I’ll make sure to make a reference to that in the video when I get the actual computer and start doing tests! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 i appreciate your help my friend!!
Thank you for letting me know friend!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 I know I can count on you! 😊 I think it would be so comfortable to not worry about anything 😂🤣 just keep all the sampled instruments and such in the internal drive😍😍
Once you add memory and ssd say 32gb or 64gb ram and 2 or 4tb drive. They lose their value reaal quick. A m2max studio at $1299 with full warranty better cooling 2 media engines may be a better buy. Slower single core by a lot 20 to 30 per cent slower multi core at the same stats but sd card tons of ports and cooling better gpu at just 1299 vs $2000
Thinking of moving to Mac with this new mini. I just can't seem to swallow the upgrade model, it's so evil to be honest lol. Example, I just bought an M.2 NVME SSD 1TB with 7,500MBps write speeds for $79.99, the 512GB Mac only does 5000MBps and they want an extra $200!, I have a Ryzen 9 5900x (which the M4 stomps into the ground) but is still a formidable processor, and 32GB of DDR4 @ 3200 mt/s and can upgrade to 64GB @ 4000 mt/s for like $150.00. Would an ex-PC guy and now Mac fan let this PC guy understand why it's worth it? I understand that Mac has proprietary hardware and therefor a proprietary kernel which means higher performance overall, smoother and less buggy. And yes the unified system does mean much better performance overall, but here is my 2 biggest issues: 1. no upgrade path. In 5 years, my PC MOBO will still be legit, and my processor, so I put a new GPU (350 bucks), upgrade RAM (150 bucks) and I'm solid for another 3 years. With Mac, 5 years down the road, what I just buy a new Mac for another 1k bucks? 2. paying an extra $200 for 512GB and $200 for 32GB RAM. Will I get 7+ years out of it if I do that? Or will the 600 dollar base model be just fine to run Cubase with plugins and Adobe Premier for the next 5+ years?
Thank you for your nice insightful comment friend and Those are indeed the questions my friend. I think, Apple is a great option if you’re in the ecosystem, iPhone another laptop or if you use logic, Final Cut and so on. But, Apple has designed a perpetual consuming product basically, you just get the new one if you wanna be up to date, I don’t think anyone needs a Mac. Maybe most Mac’s have better designed fans for music producers cause they’re way quieter than the pc counterparts. I remember having to change all my fans in my pci chasis to noctua and even then it’s louder than my laptop. You just have to get exactly what you need with no overhead if you want to come on top IMO. And the new plugin developers I feel are heavily leaning towards the M architecture so maybe soon, most plugins will work better on M chips, but, that’s crystal balling lol
@@Itsjorgelanzas I love this answer, and the quiet part is SO important. Right now I have very quiet fans AND I have to have a fan controller software to make them even MORE quite. I have also heard the Mac eco-system is unbeatable once you have used it. Thank you so much for your answer it most certainly helps make a decision. I figure all else I can buy the base version, use it and if it doesn't work for me just send it back in the 14 day window!
@@Itsjorgelanzas I mainly use Cubase Pro, I have the Arturia Plugins, Kontakt 8, and mainly the built in Cubase plugins and finally I use that Softube Mastering Suite. Video I use Premier Pro, After Effects. I really think this Mac would be smoother running than my big PC. We shall see!
Let’s go!!! Thanks for watching till the end my friend! I think you may consider it strongly. There’s a few more advantages. For example the distribution of efficiency and performance cores. The speed of the ssd basically doubles. It really is very close to twice the performance in multi core tasks. It’s pretty crazy. Of course I encourage you to do more research so you don’t overspend, but I keep seeing all these things from all the tech RUclipsrs.
Thank you for the video! but external storage is not needed any more for Mac minis, the internal SSD is replaceable. Have a look at the teardowns in some channels.
Thank you for your nice comment my friend!!! I hope the prices are accessible! Have you heard of a third party that makes the drives yet? Are they as expensive as external? Or even more? The ones for the Mac Pro are INSANELY EXPENSIVE, like $1,600 for 4tb
I don’t think there are third party drives yet, but I guess there will be soon. This is one of the videos where they found out that: ruclips.net/video/PIUj8-ig-xU/видео.htmlsi=d8cQ9JD40adV-RWG
Thank you for sharing friend! Yeah, I’ve seen a handful of videos doing the teardown. Max and Vaddim say one of their friends is doing the drives and will drop soon hopefully. That’s so cool!
@@Itsjorgelanzas You‘re welcome. That was a great video. I use a windows PC right now, but I need a new computer next year. And I think, now it is time to switch to a Mac Mini. I will most likely follow you‘re advice exactly. (For exactly the same reasons.) 🙂
Thank you for your support and motivation! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 I can’t wait to get mine and put it through its paces!!! I already have test sessions and all 😂🤣😂 anyway, have a wonderful weekend my friend!!
To be future-proof I would definitely not leave out the cheapest add-on for $100, the 10Gbit Ethernet. Compared to the total price of this configuration it is insignificant.
Great recommendation my friend, I would bump the ram. Even you don’t need it for huge libraries, but you’ll be future proof for any NEW OSX version which increases need of memory with every new version, and more important, AI processing will also use the unified memory architecture of the m4 chips, so I would go defo for the 48 ram version, just to be safe :)
I agree with you!! Next computer I get, I’ll probably have to go higher in that ram. I wanna see what pro tools AI is like and how demanding they really are in a real world scenario! I was seriously debating upgrading the ram, but it’s just not in my budget right now. I’ll have to make it work right now! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 in super curious my friend!, what are you running in your studio right now?
@@Itsjorgelanzas I have the Mac mini m2 pro 1tb ssd 16 gb. And I should have gone for the 32 gb version. I was in the same boat, do,I need it ? Should I? But I understand when cash is tight, and you have to cut corners just for a solid working machine, it will work fine though, if Apple won’t overload their upcoming OSX versions. I’m thinking of getting the m4 pro mini with 48 gb ram. I have a feeling that those m4 chips will need more ram in general for their AI backgrounds task, since Apple implementing heavily more AI within their future OS X versions it will require and take up more recourses,,I don’t trust apple, they are kinda shady in that regard. So my general rule of thumb,is do double the Ram for audio and video production of the listed entry model of your choice. 24 gb listed- go for 48 gb. Since I have a relative fast m2 machine I can wait a little and grab one o; a special offer from another retailer beginning next year. Have a great weekend buddy :)
I bought a ZikeDrive and a Kingston FURY Renegade NVMe 2TB into it (asked Zike support first, and they okayed it) for the same price as Apple scams us with their additional 256 GB (in the normal model line) or 512 GB (in the Pro line). Yes, they give you the same amount of SSD storage on 1:2 different price!!! 🤦♂ And it's data speed is ~3-4 GB/s so it's in pair with the internal SSD's speed. 🖕Apple
I just can’t wait to see how prohibiting the prices are, because if it’s anything like the ssd replacement for the Mac Pro, 2grand for a couple tb., yeah…. I’m still getting external. So there’s that too. Let’s see if the drop 4Tb for $500, fingers crossed! 🤞🏻
I know 🤣 I’m usually a fast talker, but when I’m excited and rushing to fit making a video in the middle of my already overcrowded day, I feel like I need to rush 🙌🏻🤣🤣 and this is the result. I’m thankful for the technology that allows you to understand me lol
There is a lot of difference between the base M4 and the Pro Version:- the base m4 as 10-core CPU with 4 performance cores and 6 efficiency cores and a 10-core GPU ...... The PRO Version as a 12 Core CPU, with 8 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores and a 16 Core GPU the ram bandwidth speed is 2.50 X that of the Standard Mini..... plus Thunderbolt 5 instead of 4 ( for a bit of future proofing ) also the SSD seems to be 2X the speed of the Base Model .
Amazing information my friend!! I’ll pin your comment so it can help everyone else watching! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 I hope you’re having a great weekend!!
@@Itsjorgelanzas Your welcome buddy - weekend is good but my m4 pro Mini is not here yet - its delayed, probably over sold them - LOL
😬😬😬 mine’s still processing 😬😬😬 I’m biting my nails hoping it’s not delayed 🤣🤣🤣
@@Itsjorgelanzas Fingers Crossed Mate
There seem to be more diffrences if you look at the teradown on apples page, different PCB, diffrent cooling solution (nearly double the fins and different material of cooler) probably alos different tears of storage (we will have to wait if someone make s a tear down of a Base and a Pro version with the same amount of storage. So a lot of differences probably, BUT are they relevant for the average user? My assumption NO. Even if i compare M1 to M4 lots of changes but the performance of the M1 is sufficient for most of us.
kronk! I'm taking the deep dive - maybe tonight. Great vid. Still haven't made up my mind.Macbook M4 Pro or Mini? 24 or 48 Gb ram. An extra $500 CDN is a lot for the extra 24 GB. Doing the TB harddrive for sure. My 2016 Macbook Pro won't run Logic properly anymore - that's the main reason. My tunes have 25 -30 tracks easy, plugins etc. I"ve started using Davinci Reslove and intend on doing some more elaborate videos soon. Any advice?
Let’s goooo! Thanks for watching till the end my friend. I’d say, according to the activity monitors of my friends (producers and composers in the top of their game) we’ve noticed that literally 95% of big projects you’re gonna be around 20-22gb in that activity monitor. Even when caching your sessions to ram. Running regular big sessions like idk, 150 tracks virtual instruments and auxes and stuff. CPU:389% 🤣🤣 so, unless you really really have extra money, 24 should do and be worth the investment. For video with DaVinci I really have zero experience tbh, so I wouldn’t be able to tell you! Hope this helps my friend! Merry Christmas 🎄😊
Cheers! Thanks for the reply! I went for 48 gb ram - probably overkill but just wanted to be sure when I have big projects in Logic and DaVinci open at the same time. Looking forward to more content from you!
Thank you for this video, you cleared up quite a few of my questions! Kronk!
I’m happy to know you liked the video! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻Thank you so much for watching till the end!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻 and for your nice comment! I appreciate you friend!
Hi can you please tell me how well the m4 max or pro manage with plugins in a live setting. Is there latency or could I mix my band's 8x stems live set (4 plugs per stem) with ableton or logic plugs and a soundcard , not needing a mixing desk.
And what would be best best bang fot buck here
Can you do a vid testing kn real tine to show us
There is one piece of advice that has always and will forever be true when deciding on what "next" computer to buy (or your first). Buy the most powerful computer that you have the budget for. Period. #1, buy the most powerful processor you can afford, #2 buy the most RAM you can afford and #3 buy the most internal storage you can afford. Do these things in those order and you will simply be buying the best thing you can for the money you have. But you must first decide how much money you want to spend first and foremost. Don't look for a new computer without a budget.
I agree with everything you said in this video. Liked and subscribed. Getting the most powerful M4 Pro is super wise. I might slightly disagree on RAM but that's only because more RAM is ALWAYS a good thing going forward. Storage is neither here nor there because the M4 Pro has "three" Thunderbolt 5 ports which is super "lightning" fast and external storage will not be an issue for this machine.
Anyways, cheers brother!
You said it! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 i love that idea of ALWAYS BUYING WITH A BUDGET IN MIND! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 wish I said it, that is the absolute key, because like you said more is more and more is better! But, at what cost? That’s the question. Thank you for your insightful comment my friend, I’m sure more people will find it interesting!
Have a wonderful week! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
This is true even on second hand Apple Silicon. If you only have $600 get a used m2 Pro
Just buy the base and wait for m5 then swap, then wait for m6 and swap. Mac’s progress is advancing in high gear ever since the M1, so waiting is the best way to get the best performance cheaply.
From a music producer perspective, m1 pro is not only 2 cores more than the m1, thats missed the point. Many daws only use performance cores, and the base m1 has 4 performance cores, but the m1 pro version has 8 performance cores. So with the pro the daw has the double amount of cores it can use, that is 4 more cores.
I agree with you, in many ways, the M4 pro is twice the computer. 🙌🏻 I wanna say that some test say that the ssd is twice as fast too. Or is it going from 256 to 1tb that doubles the speed? Anyway, faster ssds. Thanks for your comment my friend! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
@Itsjorgelanzas The pro m4 reads and writes faster on the SSD, approximately 40%.
What about Sequoia? Do you have any problem with compatibility (DAW; 3rd Part Plugins from UAD, Softube, Lexicon, ...)?
Surprisingly no problems with plugins. Sonnox is the only one that doesn’t work for me atm, but they say they’re working on the fix. The only hiccup I have is my antelope interface is not supported anymore, so…… now I got to sort that HUGE problem. But if you’re using anything with like, thunderbolt or usb c, you should be good.
@Itsjorgelanzas thank you and merry Xmas
You too my friend! Merry Christmas!! 🎁🎄
I ordered the M4 pro with 12 core CPU, 1tb and 48gb ram on MacBook pro. As I am using sample libraries for music production ram is quite important. With thunderbolt 5 external SSD can be connected and are much cheaper than Apple's price tag
Thanks for sharing that my friend, I think that’s a great computer. If I were you, I’d open a very dense session, maybe your template with all your orchestral pieces and such and open your activity monitor to see how much ram you’re really using. Maybe, 48gb is not really enough, or maybe 24 is enough. Maybe, you can afford the 14 core with 24gb of ram? I feel that might be a better investment of your money. In my case, It’s not uncommon to see my computer using 300% of cpu and only 16 gigs of ram. Check that out to find out what are your personal needs are and you can buy the computer you need. 😊
I ordered the same specs. I wanted to go with 32gb ram and the 14 core cpu but apple left me no choice.
48 is to much for me but 24 is not enough. Also, if u are coming from an i7 from the year 2015 the 12 core cpu m4 pro will blow your mind. 8 performance cores… wtf 🤤
If you’re going with the base M4 don’t pay for the upgrades. Keep it stock or if you want to upgrade it just save an extra 200$ and get the M4 Pro and get 2-3X the performance.
I think your right on the money friend! The more tests and benchmarks I see, the easier the choices seem, as long as you know your needs. Thanks for your insightful comment friend!
@ Definitely and you’re welcome! Great video keep up the good work.
i was thinking of base model but just adding 8 Gig of RAM so 24 instead of 16, shouldn't I ?
11:25 😆Took me a moment to realize what you were doing with the air drumming.
Normally I don't watch videos on this part of music as I'm not quite there to make use of it, but you make it interesting enough to watch.
I was just thinking to comment on your next video to let you know I'm still watching them all, been quiet because work has kept me very busy lately. Noticed on your shorts that your guitar playing is noticeably cleaner compared to when I first started to watch your channel.
🤣🤣 EXTREME LATENCY 🤣🤣 thank you for your nice comment as always my friend! I’m glad I’m slowly getting better at guitar playing! 🙏🏼🙏🏼thank you for your support!!! I appreciate you!
Quick question! I also have the 2018 Mac mini :) what is the latest IOS you’ve been able to update to while doing music in Logic Pro? I’m scared to update 😂 gonna be getting the m4 Mac mini soon! Thanks for this video 🤙🏽
My man!!! Sorry it took me so long, I’m currently running macOS Catalina 10.15.7 I tried to go up once and i couldn’t run my sessions properly. Luckily I had a Time Machine backup and went right back! 😅😅
@ Thank you for this!!! Gonna run that til’ I cop that Mac mini 😂🙏🏽🫡
Perhaps, keep your apps on internal hd and put your projects on external.
That’s a great idea! 🙌🏻🙏🏼 thanks for your comment friend! I hope you’re having a great week!
You still impress me with the quality of your videos! Have a great weekend my friend!
if your Apple ID is tied with the previous purchase of final cut, you're fine
Thank you my brother! 🙏🏼 I appreciate your kind comment and your support always! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 have a wonderful weekend my friend!
Thank you!!! That’s awesome to know!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I thought sample libraries just loaded in to ram so there wouldn’t be any lag it would just take longer to load the instrument? Wondering if I need to update my Samsung t7 external
Definitely getting 1tb but can’t figure if I should up the CPU. The price goes up quickly 😅
I’ve been using the computer for almost a week already, not having fully transitioned yet, I stand with what I say here, processor is the single most important investment. I particularly haven’t maxed out the ram on any session yet, but I see the cpu being hit hard. Specially with plugins oversampling the cpu suffers. Ram, your computer will swap with the ssd, but if you run out of cpu you’re done. The pro is basically, for music production, twice the computer, but twice the price of course! 😅😅 anyway, thanks for your nice comment friend!!
Kronk. I've been using a Mac mini with Final Cut Pro and I've been super pleased! It was last years $600 version and works great! I did get a 1TB external hard drive though.
Let’s goooo!!! Thank you so much for watching till the end!! And I CANT WAIT TO USE IT WITH FCP!! 🔥🔥🔥 the Mac mini is such a good deal!
Apple will have you upgrade twice. First by buying a Mac mini and then by releasing the real deal - the new Mac Studio with M4 Max which will be the future proof model for a while with proper ram configuration and double the decoders and encoders engines. I’ll wait a little longer. There will be plenty options to choose from.
I have a very similar theory!!! 🤣🤣🤣 good for you on waiting man! 🙌🏻🙏🏼 thank you for your insightful comment!
when will they release it?
@ when they print enough of these chips to go to Mac Studio. Apple has better margins on MacBook Pro I guess, so these machines get the newest tech first. Now they are milking the Mac mini release. It is a great machine, no doubt, but there’s a reason it doesn’t have certain features reserved for the pros.
I record my own vocals and acoustic guitar using a large diaphragm condenser, but I use a lot of tracks and plugins so I'd like to go with the Pro Mini M4, and my biggest fear is fan noise while tracking. How loud does yours get during a session? Great video btw, KRONK!
I think at some point, all these computers get hot, so the fans are gonna kick in. So far, with my old Mac mini I haven’t had that issue. Sometimes, I record vocals into a full mix with tons of plugins and stuff and don’t have an issue with the noise. You just have to be strategic with mic placement and aligning the mics rejection pattern with whatever your noise source may be. But overall, with the computer under my desk, the old Mac mini is a non issue, I’ll report back about noise on the M4 pro. Thanks for your nice comment my friend and thank you for watching till the end!! 🙌🏻🙏🏼 I appreciate you!!
@@Itsjorgelanzas Thanks for the reply, that sounds promising. I have an Intel MacBook Pro right now and the noise and heat are horrible, honestly. Appreciate you very much, looking forward to more videos from you putting the new Mini through the paces.
My friend. The good news is that from the Intel computers to the M chips the reduction of the fan noise is EXTREME! You will be happy no matter what M computer you get
@@Itsjorgelanzas That sounds glorious, you've been so helpful. I'm so grateful for you and your channel!
Thank you for your kind comment my friend! I appreciate your support! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Got my Intel 2015 MacBook Pro ready to upgrade with you to a MacBook Pro M4pro to run Pro tool and such! Thanks for the great info and review.
Kronk!
Let’s goooooo!! Thanks for staying until the end!! With that config I’m sure you’re SOLID!! 🔥🔥Happy music making my friend! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 ps. How much ram did you get?? lol
Handsome man 🎉 I enjoyed the editing style and your speaking ability.
Good style of presentation felt premium yet fun.
At points gave me twista vibes with how fast you speak 😂 adrenaline rush much.
Kronk 😂
Thank you so much for watching till the end my friend!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 and I really appreciate your nice comment and all your motivation! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 thanks for taking the time to bring positivity to this world!! ✨✨✨
You legend!! Thanks for the awesome and detailed video. #straighttothepoint 👊
LFG!!! Thank you for your nice comment my friend!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 I appreciate your support! 🔥🔥
probably already answered- but Final Cut is associated with your apple ID, so you won't need to buy it again... er, if it's anything like Logic. That's how Logic behaves
Thank you so much for the nice comment my friend! I appreciate your help with this!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I believe the biggest focus for music daws and plugins is RAM and Performance cores. Therefore, I’d go for an M4 pro. Especially the mini, and the thunderbolt 5 connections will be game changing for externals. I currently use a 2015 IMac i7 w 32 go of ancient RAM LOL.
Thank you for your contribution my friend! 🙌🏻🙏🏼🙏🏼🙌🏻 I agree that for music, the M4Pro is the way to go 100% it audio terms, it’s pretty much twice the computer in one case
i upgraded my late 2013 imac (custom : 16gb ram + ssd) to base model m4 mac mini for logic 11.1, being a sound engineering student , it was essential.
Great choice my friend!! Thank you for your nice comment, and I hope you have the best time doing all your assignments!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
@@Itsjorgelanzas Oh yes , this is like decade leap of performance from what i was used to. Much Appreciated !!
Kronk. What's great about the Apple creative pack (Logic, Final Cut, etc.) is they're cheap and flexible. You can populate basically any computer with your Apple ID with a copy of these apps. Easy. I work with many other creative apps and the upgrade cycle ($) and the copy protection makes it a PITA to manage on multiple machines. Ideally, software should follow me wherever I go, and if I have a workstation in two places or a couple laptops, I don't want to have to manage dongles and authorizations and passwords for them. Logic and FCP follow this rule. That's part of the reason I stay with them.
I totally agree with you!! I hate how W@*
I don't agree with you: U don't need to take a higher option regarding the processor. The M4 is waaaaay sufficient if you do music (only). The plugins etc. should not need more than 200 gig. So you can easily go with the base model and buy some fast (!) external thunderbolt SSDs and be HAPPY! 😂❤
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Thanks for sharing your opinion friend. I really stand by what I say in this video. I do this for a living and this is the computer for me, if my budget was a bit bigger I would have gotten the extra ram, but I’m sure this will manage. Have a great week friend!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
I agree, in fact music production will utilize single threaded operations far more than any multi-threaded operations (save some VST's). The M4 base model CPU is worlds above even the latest, and insanely fast, Ryzen 9 processor (thought the Ryzen absolutely destroys even the M4 pro in multi-threaded operations, because of the "efficiency cores"). The M4 base model would be plenty for the average upgrade path of a computer which is about 5 years.
M4pro all the way 1 Tera SSD And not sure if I will upgrade the processor..? To 14 cores
Let’s gooooo!! I would highly recommend it if it’s in your budget. In the m4pro every extra core you pay for, is a performance core, so it’s well worth the investment almost for every DAW right now, since they all use performance cores completely and some don’t use efficiency cores at all. 🤘🏻🤓
Thanks for the video, it helped me understand CPU and processors a little better. I’ve got a 2021 MacBook Pro M1 Max, 16 cores. It was a work laptop that I got to keep when I left employment. It’s a beast, 64gb of RAM with 4tb of SSD. I just finished a record and pushed the limits of it which kind of surprised me. It got me thinking that I think I’m ready to leave the laptop music production world and get a desktop and the new Mac Mini seems perfect, it’s still portable if I want to travel. I think I’ll trade the laptop in for a Mac mini and go for the better performance.
Is RAM really not that useful anymore? I was going straight for the 64gb of RAM. If I’m thinking in the future of getting some strings and things like that in Kontakt, would I regret only having 24 or 48gb of RAM?
Thank you for your nice comment friend!! I do believe ram is very important. But, what I would suggest you is to do a real life test with you computer right now. Open a session that is pretty loaded and that has an average of the plugins that you are used to use in a session, open your activity monitor and check how much ram is your system using. That will give you the realistic idea of how much ram you really need. Since we all use our computers differently. For the most part, ram intense tasks would be ARA processing, autotune in graph mode with the whole song loaded, huge sample libraries if you score for film or video games. Stuff like that, up until now, daws have been known for not taking advantage of ram as much as they’re optimized to use cpu power. (Multi core performance mainly) so in the balance of budget and needs, I place processor as your main need, then ram and then storage. Storage mainly cause with tb4 or 5 you get fast enough drives for seamlessly productivity. Anyway, I hope this helps you! So, check your activity monitor and make your informed decision, how much you’re using vs how much you can afford. Me personally, I’m broke 🤣🤣🤣 so I’m trynna save as much as possible and hopefully make some bag in the next few to get like an M6 or something when they come out🤣🤣
Your experience with Mac configurations is helpful. However, just looking at specs & options on the Mini M4's doesn't tell the whole story. Will they thermal throttle with lots of fan noise during recording? I hear Apple has set the M4 Mini to run hot in order to reduce fan noise, but hot-running computers have a shorter life. I'm waiting for the new Mac Studio with better & quieter cooling. Better to buy one Mac Studio M4 than two Mini M4 Pros over the same time period.
Thank for sharing your thoughts and experience friend! 🙌🏻 I just got my machine today. We’ll see how it responds in my day to day work
RAM I need for huge orchestra libraries
Oh yes you do!!! I’ve literally seen that activity monitor in orchestral suites, I’ve never seen a computer using so much ram by just loading a template 😱😱😱 like Wtf?? 🤣🤣🤣
Great video! I probably need more RAM because I do compose some orchestral stuff and would use VSTs almost exclusively. Also, maybe 1TB isn’t enough. Superior Drummer 3, for example, takes up something like 200+ GB. Like you said, though, external drives are pretty cheap compared to Apple’s upgrades, and that’s the way to go.
I agree with you on all counts!! I originally wanted to get 2TB, but not for $800 🤣 I rather get 4 for $400!! I’m curious, What computer are you running now??
Totally agree. My computer is really old, an ASUS desktop from, like, 15 years ago, lol. It’s so old it won’t upgrade to Windows 11, which is why I’m (finally) in the market for a new computer, and I thought that change would also allow me to start building a home studio. I’ve been watching a lot of videos on Macs vs. PCs for audio engineering, and everyone comes out on the Mac side-even Windows power users for 20+ years. These Mac minis are really exciting, which is a pleasant surprise because no one recommended the M3 chips over the M2/M2 Pro when they were released (according to bench tests). Btw, thanks for all your hard work! Love the channel, and I wish you all the success in the future.
Thank you so much for your nice comment friend! I appreciate your support so much!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I am a content creator and the one thing that is going to suck up memory and power are the new AI based functions/capabilities that are being added to both the video and photos editors. I upgraded finally from my M1 to the M4 Pro. People have to future proof themselves from AI in their apps. I use Davinci Resolve Studio and I even see the AI functions in the fairlight page and the plug-ins I use. People have to think about the AI revolution that is occurring. Apple gave us a big message when they upped the base memory from 8 to 16GB. 24GB seems enough today, but what about next year? I went for 48GB. As a friend astutely said, I rather be looking at it then looking for it or in this case, wishing you had. I went for the 1TB SSD also - but hooking up high speed SSDs and looking forward to Thunderbolt 5 drives.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts my friend! I appreciate it and Yeah, now you got me thinking about it! I guess I’ll have to see! 🙌🏻
kronk keep pushing
Thank you for watching till the end and for the motivation my friend!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 obrigado!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
There are videos now on how to move your Home folder, so you can potentially do with 512GB of SSD, if you get a enclosure with USB4/Thunderbolt4 support and a NVME SSD (it is almost as fast as the internal 512GB drive and quicker than the 256GB baseline, and with upcoming Thunderbolt 5 enclosures they will probably even match the internal drive speed of the 512GB and larger drives).
AI uses RAM as well. I would probably recommend going for 48GB before going for the 14 core over the 12 core, but ideally both (too bad they don't offer 32GB RAM with the Pro.. 32GB should have really been the baseline for any Apple silicon mac, because with less you can't really get max out of the CPU).
And if you do orchestral music I would put the 64GB upgrade over the CPU upgrade.
Thank you for your great contribution my friend! I appreciate it! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I think the review in general is good, but I would’ve emphasized the performance cores; that is going to make the biggest difference I think in plug-in performance and track counts. On the whole more is better on the other items as well within your budget.
The upgrade for the m4 pro I think would be a good future investment and my understanding is the drives are upgradable with a bit of fiddling. I think you can save there. Over time, Plug-ins get hungrier and hungrier for processing and memory. If you can afford it, get the pro with 48gb (is 32 an option?)
Meanwhile, I’m not immediately in the market. I’m waiting to make a decision based upon what the Mac studio M4 pro or max versions look like. My M1 MacBook Air meets my current needs although when I push it, it starts to crap out. But I don’t often do this because I’m mostly using external gear. But I could see pretty soon I’m gonna get back “in the box” so I will be buying something in the next nine months or so .
Thank you for your insightful comment friend! And I think I would be doing the same if I was in your shoes! My M1 it’s holding up.
Any Apple Silicon blows away the best Intel macs, by far
I agree!! right now, just doing the installs and everything it feels like night and day
u don't need too much RAM... because u have SSD? If that is your point then u may need a secondary ssd for memory caching. Anyway it depends: if you use many sample libraries you need as much ram as you can. If you use plugins that are processor intensive - especially modelling ones like UAD's native... modelled amplifiers etc - a fast processor allows you to run more of them. But I would argue RAM is the most important factor in music production today... RAM and music theory, that's what is normally missing.
I’m just basing what I’m saying in watching my activity monitor and seeing that I always have a HUGE OVERHEAD OF RAM, but I don’t have a HUGE OVERHEAD OF MONEY 🤣🤣🤣 so I don’t like to see $1,200 worth of ram sitting idle. When I see that activity monitor tells me I’m running out, I’ll say I have to spend that money, for now, I keep it in my pocket instead of giving it to Apple. Have you checked your activity monitor while doing some of your ultra demanding sessions? I’m curious to see how much ram your sessions need. I’ve only seen my scoring friends using crazy amounts of ram. Plus, freeze, commit,, idk $1000 worth of ram?
Ram on m4 will be slower when m5 comes out. Why don't we get slower today?
Now that, that is using 100% of human capabilities🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 I can’t find anything wrong with this theory!
KRONK a usefull computer for professional use was at any time around 2000-3000 €, i rememeber the time maxing out old PCs for my father from 1 MB of Ram to 4 MB of RAM to 8 MB of RAM on the old 286 Computerfrom standard VGA 640/16 to VGA 1024/32768 from MFM to RLL to a complete SCSI system. Its astonishinghow perfomant these small beasts are nowadays. I would probably spend the extra money of memory upgrade . But for sure future proofing is not necessary nowadays, if you ran into issues in 2 years buy an M6 fitting your needs THEN.
Yay!! Thank you for watching till the end!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 and, That is exactly what I’m seeing. Why get into the system so deep? Just so that in the next 2 years there’s 400% more performance and you want to buy another one. It’s all about balancing your needs, with your earnings and the amount of coins need to make sense. But I guess people buy computers for fun too 😅 so it’s ok to drop a couple thousand dollars just because 192gb of ram looks and sounds awesome. I rather get another tax return for my business in 2-4 years. Tech is moving way too fast to be getting into technology for crazy amounts of money. Anyway, I enjoyed reading your comment friend! Thank you and I hope you have a wonderful day!
Look at the newest video of James Zhan regarding the utilisation of Efficiency and Performance Cores in the DAW of your choice. The M4 and M4Pro are a huge difference for music production.
Thank you so much for your insightful comment my friend. I’ll make sure to make a reference to that in the video when I get the actual computer and start doing tests! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 i appreciate your help my friend!!
My next Mac will be at least 2TB, no matter what. Lol. you dont need a new license for FCP
Thank you for letting me know friend!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 I know I can count on you! 😊 I think it would be so comfortable to not worry about anything 😂🤣 just keep all the sampled instruments and such in the internal drive😍😍
Once you add memory and ssd say 32gb or 64gb ram and 2 or 4tb drive.
They lose their value reaal quick.
A m2max studio at $1299 with full warranty better cooling 2 media engines may be a better buy.
Slower single core by a lot 20 to 30 per cent slower multi core at the same stats but sd card tons of ports and cooling better gpu at just 1299 vs $2000
Thank you for your nice insight friend! I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience with us! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
It may be slower on paper, but in practice the M2Max studio outperforms the m4 Mac mini when you start doing real work.
Thinking of moving to Mac with this new mini. I just can't seem to swallow the upgrade model, it's so evil to be honest lol. Example, I just bought an M.2 NVME SSD 1TB with 7,500MBps write speeds for $79.99, the 512GB Mac only does 5000MBps and they want an extra $200!, I have a Ryzen 9 5900x (which the M4 stomps into the ground) but is still a formidable processor, and 32GB of DDR4 @ 3200 mt/s and can upgrade to 64GB @ 4000 mt/s for like $150.00.
Would an ex-PC guy and now Mac fan let this PC guy understand why it's worth it? I understand that Mac has proprietary hardware and therefor a proprietary kernel which means higher performance overall, smoother and less buggy. And yes the unified system does mean much better performance overall, but here is my 2 biggest issues:
1. no upgrade path. In 5 years, my PC MOBO will still be legit, and my processor, so I put a new GPU (350 bucks), upgrade RAM (150 bucks) and I'm solid for another 3 years. With Mac, 5 years down the road, what I just buy a new Mac for another 1k bucks?
2. paying an extra $200 for 512GB and $200 for 32GB RAM. Will I get 7+ years out of it if I do that? Or will the 600 dollar base model be just fine to run Cubase with plugins and Adobe Premier for the next 5+ years?
Thank you for your nice insightful comment friend and Those are indeed the questions my friend. I think, Apple is a great option if you’re in the ecosystem, iPhone another laptop or if you use logic, Final Cut and so on. But, Apple has designed a perpetual consuming product basically, you just get the new one if you wanna be up to date, I don’t think anyone needs a Mac. Maybe most Mac’s have better designed fans for music producers cause they’re way quieter than the pc counterparts. I remember having to change all my fans in my pci chasis to noctua and even then it’s louder than my laptop. You just have to get exactly what you need with no overhead if you want to come on top IMO. And the new plugin developers I feel are heavily leaning towards the M architecture so maybe soon, most plugins will work better on M chips, but, that’s crystal balling lol
@@Itsjorgelanzas I love this answer, and the quiet part is SO important. Right now I have very quiet fans AND I have to have a fan controller software to make them even MORE quite.
I have also heard the Mac eco-system is unbeatable once you have used it.
Thank you so much for your answer it most certainly helps make a decision. I figure all else I can buy the base version, use it and if it doesn't work for me just send it back in the 14 day window!
That’s a good idea too! I can’t wait to try mine and see how it manages my work load! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
@@Itsjorgelanzas I mainly use Cubase Pro, I have the Arturia Plugins, Kontakt 8, and mainly the built in Cubase plugins and finally I use that Softube Mastering Suite.
Video I use Premier Pro, After Effects.
I really think this Mac would be smoother running than my big PC. We shall see!
KRONK! Thanks for the video. I'm still debating between the base model with 24 GB/512 and paying a bit more to go with the pro base model.
Let’s go!!! Thanks for watching till the end my friend! I think you may consider it strongly. There’s a few more advantages. For example the distribution of efficiency and performance cores. The speed of the ssd basically doubles. It really is very close to twice the performance in multi core tasks. It’s pretty crazy. Of course I encourage you to do more research so you don’t overspend, but I keep seeing all these things from all the tech RUclipsrs.
Thank you for the video! but external storage is not needed any more for Mac minis, the internal SSD is replaceable. Have a look at the teardowns in some channels.
Thank you for your nice comment my friend!!! I hope the prices are accessible! Have you heard of a third party that makes the drives yet? Are they as expensive as external? Or even more? The ones for the Mac Pro are INSANELY EXPENSIVE, like $1,600 for 4tb
I don’t think there are third party drives yet, but I guess there will be soon. This is one of the videos where they found out that: ruclips.net/video/PIUj8-ig-xU/видео.htmlsi=d8cQ9JD40adV-RWG
Thank you for sharing friend! Yeah, I’ve seen a handful of videos doing the teardown. Max and Vaddim say one of their friends is doing the drives and will drop soon hopefully. That’s so cool!
I had no idea this was possible. Ty. I suspect OWC aka Macsales will have info on this.
Yeah, I’m sure third parties have to catch up!! Very nice indeed!!!!!
That ram is shared gpu cpu npu external display OSX apps multitasking and cannot be replaced not like external ssd.
Ram before ssd.
Makes sense thank you friend!
Kronk 😊
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@@Itsjorgelanzas You‘re welcome. That was a great video. I use a windows PC right now, but I need a new computer next year. And I think, now it is time to switch to a Mac Mini. I will most likely follow you‘re advice exactly. (For exactly the same reasons.) 🙂
Thank you for your support and motivation! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 I can’t wait to get mine and put it through its paces!!! I already have test sessions and all 😂🤣😂 anyway, have a wonderful weekend my friend!!
To be future-proof I would definitely not leave out the cheapest add-on for $100, the 10Gbit Ethernet. Compared to the total price of this configuration it is insignificant.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts friend!
Kronk!
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Here it is: KRONK
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DaVinci Resolve is great and FREE ! Final Cut = nope.
Thank you!
i had to check if id hit the 2x button.... slow down mate lol
Sorry friend lol
No need so good processor but RAM.! For today standart Ill go with 32gb minimum. 512 drive is also better to have.
Ok.
Kronk🤓
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Great recommendation my friend, I would bump the ram. Even you don’t need it for huge libraries, but you’ll be future proof for any NEW OSX version which increases need of memory with every new version, and more important, AI processing will also use the unified memory architecture of the m4 chips, so I would go defo for the 48 ram version, just to be safe :)
I agree with you!! Next computer I get, I’ll probably have to go higher in that ram. I wanna see what pro tools AI is like and how demanding they really are in a real world scenario! I was seriously debating upgrading the ram, but it’s just not in my budget right now. I’ll have to make it work right now! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 in super curious my friend!, what are you running in your studio right now?
@@Itsjorgelanzas I have the Mac mini m2 pro 1tb ssd 16 gb. And I should have gone for the 32 gb version. I was in the same boat, do,I need it ? Should I? But I understand when cash is tight, and you have to cut corners just for a solid working machine, it will work fine though, if Apple won’t overload their upcoming OSX versions.
I’m thinking of getting the m4 pro mini with 48 gb ram.
I have a feeling that those m4 chips will need more ram in general for their AI backgrounds task, since Apple implementing heavily more AI within their future OS X versions it will require and take up more recourses,,I don’t trust apple, they are kinda shady in that regard. So my general rule of thumb,is do double the Ram for audio and video production of the listed entry model of your choice.
24 gb listed- go for 48 gb.
Since I have a relative fast m2 machine I can wait a little and grab one o; a special offer from another retailer beginning next year. Have a great weekend buddy :)
Man,, thank you for all your thoughts. Maybe i should have gotten the ram upgrade. 😅😅 thank you for your comment my friend. Enjoy your weekend! 🙏🏼
I bought a ZikeDrive and a Kingston FURY Renegade NVMe 2TB into it (asked Zike support first, and they okayed it) for the same price as Apple scams us with their additional 256 GB (in the normal model line) or 512 GB (in the Pro line). Yes, they give you the same amount of SSD storage on 1:2 different price!!! 🤦♂
And it's data speed is ~3-4 GB/s so it's in pair with the internal SSD's speed. 🖕Apple
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing you alternative solution friend!! How’s the heat dissipation on your external enclosure?
KRONK!
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Kronk
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kronk
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Do you have holes in your ears? What happened? Are you OK?
I do, I’m ok though! Are you?? 😊
M4 SSD replaceable. so there's that.
I just can’t wait to see how prohibiting the prices are, because if it’s anything like the ssd replacement for the Mac Pro, 2grand for a couple tb., yeah…. I’m still getting external. So there’s that too. Let’s see if the drop 4Tb for $500, fingers crossed! 🤞🏻
@@Itsjorgelanzas what? off the shelf SSD parts-store>buy chip>solder>run DFU> done.
@@nlm.dks8873 ...except not.
You should use 85% less word.
Ok!
KRONK
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thanks to the title of your video I am NOT going to buy one of these
It’s a safe choice. Buying a new computer can really be a can of worms you don’t wanna open! 😖
More drama than knowledge ..
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you talk too fast...way, way too fast...
I know, Set it up in half speed or quarter speed if you feel the need to! Use the tools at your disposal in your advantage! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
LOL. I usually watch these vids at x2, I had to drop you down to 1:25. Blazing
I know 🤣 I’m usually a fast talker, but when I’m excited and rushing to fit making a video in the middle of my already overcrowded day, I feel like I need to rush 🙌🏻🤣🤣 and this is the result. I’m thankful for the technology that allows you to understand me lol
You really need to talk a lot slower, couldn't stand listening to your voice
I understand your feeling. Have a good day.
You SPEAK TOO FAST ! (think of us for whom english is not our primary language !)
I do, sorry, maybe play it at .75x?
Kronk
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KRONK
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